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2012-10-28 09:14:05 AM
Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.
 
2012-10-28 09:18:39 AM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


A cynical person might even say he's BSing.
 
2012-10-28 09:43:46 AM
It's not a lie if you believe it....George Costanza
 
2012-10-28 10:12:43 AM

johnryan51: It's not a lie if you believe it....George Costanza


True, then you're just wrong.
 
2012-10-28 11:02:11 AM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.
 
2012-10-28 11:18:13 AM

St_Francis_P: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

A cynical person might even say he's BSing.


Well, I have been called cynical a few times in my life

/he prefers "stand-up philosopher"
 
2012-10-28 11:35:46 AM
The Romney campaign has released a statement: If elected, the Romney presidency forecasts an eastern sunrise at least once per day. EVERY day.

The Obama campaign has been alarmingly lacking in any policy agenda to address this issue.

So vote Republican. For a new American sunrise. Guaranteed.
 
2012-10-28 12:11:43 PM

SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.


Thanks for reminding me of work on a Sunday. I think I've received emails that have actually said that.
 
2012-10-28 12:22:07 PM

SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.


My god, you sound like an educational consultant.
 
2012-10-28 12:26:43 PM
It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?
 
2012-10-28 01:38:37 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?


yup. it's why romney made the promise.
 
2012-10-28 01:39:02 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?


Exactly.
 
2012-10-28 02:08:37 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?


Yep. It's roughly like Romney saying "Vote for me and the sun will rise on inauguration day in DC at 7:23. Obama isn't promising that, I can and I am!"
 
2012-10-28 02:28:55 PM
Granted, Obama will take credit for it if/when it happens if he's re-elected, but that would bother me a lot less than Romney doing it because then that would encourage people into thinking Republicans help this country.
 
2012-10-28 02:33:35 PM

Quasar: Granted, Obama will take credit for it if/when it happens if he's re-elected, but that would bother me a lot less than Romney doing it because then that would encourage people into thinking Republicans help this country.


And Obama isn't saying "I WILL do it and I won't tell you how"
 
2012-10-28 02:38:48 PM
I've always believed a (further) recovery is going to happen over the next for years. The thing that aggravates me is that the guy responsible for turning the ship through unprecedented obstructionism (and some of the most hateful rhetoric slung in a generation) may not be the one to get credit for it in the end.

If Romney wins, Obama's presidency is going to get reduced to little more than janitorial work. Wait, that's not entirely accurate. At least some people thank their janitors. Meanwhile, Uncle Pennybags gets all the glory and reinforces the belief that his type is the kind who really deserve the White House.
 
2012-10-28 02:40:39 PM
Well, yes, that's the kicker. The economy is improving and will likely continue to improve no matter who is president. If it's Romney, he will smile, step up, take credit for it, and use it to run for a second term. Hell, he took credit for the turn around of GM, so of course he will take credit for any improvements from Day 1.
 
2012-10-28 02:41:36 PM
Walker made a similar promise when elected in WI, but he managed to fark up the state so badly that we didn't even come close to that figure.

Be advised: No matter how much a conservative is low-balling when he promises an economic turn-around, he is capable of farking it up.
 
2012-10-28 02:42:09 PM
Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

www.myqwip.com(click to vote in new window)
 
2012-10-28 02:42:28 PM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


To be fair, most of his audience is easily swayed by pictures of flags, eagles, troops, and crosses.

And to be honest, any specifics he give will fall into either of these catagories.
a) easily refutable BS
or
b) what obama wants to do
 
2012-10-28 02:43:03 PM
I think you underestimate the post-Reagan Republican talent at farking up absolutely everything they touch.
 
2012-10-28 02:43:23 PM
The economy has already turned a corner and started to rebound, corporate profits and the dow are way up, consumer confidence is up, home prices rose by 4.6% last month, unemployment is down, foreclosures are down, auto reposessions are down. Romney wants to take credit for this... to borrow an old Al Gore quote [this is] "like the rooster taking credit for the sunrise."
 
2012-10-28 02:43:37 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?


Yep, but if they get in and give the rich more tax cuts first they get to keep the trickle down myth alive for another 20 years.
 
2012-10-28 02:44:17 PM
If RMoney gets elected and the economy fails again, he will just blame Obama.
 
2012-10-28 02:44:28 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying?


a white man?
 
2012-10-28 02:45:55 PM
Freedom Fact of the Day: "If we do those five things, I can take credit for it when, our economy will come roaring back".
 
2012-10-28 02:47:03 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying?


It would require me to turn on Fox News and see what the narrative/lie of the day is.
 
2012-10-28 02:47:16 PM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


The only time the Romney ads are in any way explicit is when it's a blatant lie.

"Obama doesn't want to work across the aisle" = "He won't roll over and do what we tell him to do"
 
2012-10-28 02:47:23 PM

blastoh: AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying?

a white man?


"NO NIG-NOGGERY HERE! NONE!"

www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-10-28 02:48:00 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I think you underestimate the post-Reagan Republican talent at farking up absolutely everything they touch.


They don't fark it up. It's a poor choice of words.

They cash out.

They fark it up for you and me,
They and their friends will make out like bandits.

shiat, these guys will probably hedge bets against the market and then laugh as they make it crash.
 
2012-10-28 02:50:05 PM
fta:
Zandi isn't the only one predicting robust job growth. Joel Prakken, senior managing director of Macroeconomic Advisers, forecasts 11 million jobs added over the next president's term.


This is what scares republicans the most. That Obama might raise raxes, and this this will happen.
Since Reagan, we had
Reagan tax cuts, then growth
Clinton tax hikes then growth
Bush tax cuts then not much of anything

So for simple people, Trickle down is a tie since we started it.

Obama might break that tie and give more (albiet very simplistic) evidence that trickle down doesn't work.


Yeah, this is looking at the issue from an extremely simplistic view, but sadly this is how many voters (especially the undecided) think.
 
2012-10-28 02:50:20 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

[www.myqwip.com image 300x400](click to vote in new window)


I imagine that there's a lot of bigots, plutocrats, fundies and misogynists (including female ones).

/They vote too
 
2012-10-28 02:51:30 PM
Vote for me and on January 20th, I will make the sun rise.
 
2012-10-28 02:54:26 PM

SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.


Needs more synergy.
 
2012-10-28 02:56:05 PM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


Done in one. Used car salesman meets vulture capitalist. Buzzwords, bullshiat, and bafflement are his tools.
 
2012-10-28 02:56:24 PM
Sorry neo-Confederates... Obama gets all the credit for those 12 million jobs. He saved America and will go down as the greatest President in the history of this nation once all you racists finally die off. Feel free to hurry the process along voluntarily if you just can't deal with reality on November 7th.
 
2012-10-28 02:56:38 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Vote for me and on January 20th, I will make the sun rise.


Clearly my oposing candidate is simply trying to cator to the wims of the pro sun rise people, and we all know how unamerican they are. How many jobs have a sunrise produced? Do sunrises pay taxes?

******turns to camera looking all serous******

The backbone of our country, the heart and soul of this county are women. And women, if you vote for me, I will guarantee you than men will want to fark you.
 
2012-10-28 03:03:46 PM

bigbadideasinaction: I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?

Yep, but if they get in and give the rich more tax cuts first they get to keep the trickle down myth alive for another 20 years.


And if they don't win, and Obama let's the tax cuts on the wealthy expire, and the 12 million jobs get created anyways, the trickle-down myth with finally be debunked and destroyed forever. That is why they are going to steal this election.
 
2012-10-28 03:05:20 PM

blastoh: Britney Spear's Speculum: Vote for me and on January 20th, I will make the sun rise.

Clearly my oposing candidate is simply trying to cator to the wims of the pro sun rise people, and we all know how unamerican they are. How many jobs have a sunrise produced? Do sunrises pay taxes?

******turns to camera looking all serous******

The backbone of our country, the heart and soul of this county are women. And women, if you vote for me, I will guarantee you than men will want to fark you.


Romney couldn't even deliver that message without looking like a disingenuous, smirking asshole.
 
2012-10-28 03:05:32 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.

Needs more synergy.


Wholly Heuristic Operational Reaction Engine.
 
2012-10-28 03:07:00 PM

BafflerMeal: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.

Needs more synergy.

Holy Heuristic Operational Reaction Engine, Batman!


ftfy
 
2012-10-28 03:07:44 PM
Hadn't this point been brought up about six months ago?

oldnewsissoexciting.jpg
 
2012-10-28 03:08:45 PM

blastoh: fta:
Zandi isn't the only one predicting robust job growth. Joel Prakken, senior managing director of Macroeconomic Advisers, forecasts 11 million jobs added over the next president's term.


This is what scares republicans the most. That Obama might raise raxes, and this this will happen.
Since Reagan, we had
Reagan tax cuts, then growth
Clinton tax hikes then growth
Bush tax cuts then not much of anything

So for simple people, Trickle down is a tie since we started it.

Obama might break that tie and give more (albiet very simplistic) evidence that trickle down doesn't work.


Yeah, this is looking at the issue from an extremely simplistic view, but sadly this is how many voters (especially the undecided) think.


Actually it was Reagan tax cuts then loss followed by Reagan tax hikes then growth.
 
2012-10-28 03:08:57 PM
Wait, you mean that the economy ISN't just a set of magic levers that you can push and pull to get everyone jobs??
 
2012-10-28 03:11:17 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

[www.myqwip.com image 300x400](click to vote in new window)


FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's base demographic.
 
2012-10-28 03:11:52 PM
The truth is the truth even if no one believes it and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it
 
2012-10-28 03:12:07 PM
indylaw:
FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's Rmoney's base demographic.

Oops.
 
2012-10-28 03:16:33 PM

MurphyMurphy: demaL-demaL-yeH: I think you underestimate the post-Reagan Republican talent at farking up absolutely everything they touch.

They don't fark it up. It's a poor choice of words.

They cash out.

They fark it up for you and me,
They and their friends will make out like bandits.

shiat, these guys will probably hedge bets against the market and then laugh as they make it crash.


Already.
Been.
Done.
 
2012-10-28 03:19:40 PM

AntiNerd: So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?


I wouldn't say "no reason," it's "The Reason That Cannot Be Named."
 
2012-10-28 03:20:29 PM

indylaw: indylaw:
FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's Rmoney's base demographic.

Oops.


Meh. Works either way.
 
2012-10-28 03:21:30 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

VOTE ROMNEY
2012

HE'LL DO NOTHING!
 
2012-10-28 03:21:47 PM

sugardave: AntiNerd: So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I wouldn't say "no reason," it's "The Reason That Cannot Be Named."


The Reason That Dares Not Speak its Name?
 
2012-10-28 03:22:44 PM

SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.


deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
"Aren't these just buzzwords that dumb people use to sound important? Not that I'm accusing you of anything like that."
 
2012-10-28 03:24:47 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

[www.myqwip.com image 300x400](click to vote in new window)


He's a businessman. And he was assertive in one debate in his life. THATS MY KINDA PRESIDENT. I want man I can't have a beer with.
 
2012-10-28 03:28:44 PM
ANYONE BUT OBAMA

BURN IT TO THE GROUND, BUT NO OBAMA

WE HAVE NO REASONS

WE HAVE NO PLAN

NO OBAMA!!!
 
2012-10-28 03:35:38 PM

indylaw: Wait, you mean that the economy ISN't just a set of magic levers that you can push and pull to get everyone jobs??


i159.photobucket.com

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE!

/until their guy is in office
 
2012-10-28 03:36:38 PM

BafflerMeal: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.

Needs more synergy.

Wholly Heuristic Operational Reaction Engine.


Nicely done.
 
2012-10-28 03:54:54 PM
Romney could create 12M jobs next month if he just brought back all the positions Bain Capital has offshored through the years. Why does Mitt hate America?
 
2012-10-28 04:05:12 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: sugardave: AntiNerd: So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I wouldn't say "no reason," it's "The Reason That Cannot Be Named."

The Reason That Dares Not Speak its Name?


Oh, they have their reasons. They are completely fictional, but they are reasons nonetheless.
 
2012-10-28 04:08:34 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: indylaw: indylaw:
FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's Rmoney's base demographic.

Oops.

Meh. Works either way.


So vote Republican?
 
2012-10-28 04:18:20 PM

indylaw: demaL-demaL-yeH: indylaw: indylaw:
FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's Rmoney's base demographic.

Oops.

Meh. Works either way.

So vote Republican?


*looks upthread*

demaL-demaL-yeH: I think you underestimate the post-Reagan Republican talent at farking up absolutely everything they touch.


You need more coffee.
 
2012-10-28 04:24:09 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: indylaw: demaL-demaL-yeH: indylaw: indylaw:
FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's Rmoney's base demographic.

Oops.

Meh. Works either way.

So vote Republican?

*looks upthread*

demaL-demaL-yeH: I think you underestimate the post-Reagan Republican talent at farking up absolutely everything they touch.

You need more coffee.


That is definitely true.
 
2012-10-28 04:40:37 PM
"And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat."

you are kidding right?
 
2012-10-28 04:45:21 PM
Clear eyes, full hearts, can't articulate a single specific policy that he would enact differently than Obama.
 
2012-10-28 04:46:28 PM
"Cold hard facts. Politics completely aside. I'm just doing the numbers," says Zandi. "I feel confident that we're going to create 12 million jobs over the next four years and we're going to feel a lot better about this economy, regardless of who is president."

Seriously, whar jobs plan?

Name some goddamn specifics, asshole.
 
2012-10-28 04:58:11 PM

whidbey: "Cold hard facts. Politics completely aside. I'm just doing the numbers," says Zandi. "I feel confident that we're going to create 12 million jobs over the next four years and we're going to feel a lot better about this economy, regardless of who is president."

Seriously, whar jobs plan?

Name some goddamn specifics, asshole.


Here you go, sunshine.
 
2012-10-28 04:59:53 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: whidbey: "Cold hard facts. Politics completely aside. I'm just doing the numbers," says Zandi. "I feel confident that we're going to create 12 million jobs over the next four years and we're going to feel a lot better about this economy, regardless of who is president."

Seriously, whar jobs plan?

Name some goddamn specifics, asshole.

Here you go, sunshine.


Meh. Link was farked.
https://www.economy.com/home/products/databases.asp?src=Products&Serv i ces&tab=0&anc=014#014

/You can pay for it, right, sunshine?
 
2012-10-28 05:02:06 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Here you go, sunshine.


Tell me you're not attempting to actually explain that vague klstrfark of a "jobs program."

I'm saying he doesn't have one.
 
2012-10-28 05:14:49 PM

whidbey: demaL-demaL-yeH: Here you go, sunshine.

Tell me you're not attempting to actually explain that vague klstrfark of a "jobs program."

I'm saying he doesn't have one.


Oh, so you were quoting Mark Zandi and pretending that he was President Obama.

You're asserting that the president doesn't have a plan? Reality says you're wrong.
Follow the links there to more delicious details than your fark nuggets of wisdom would lead me to believe that you can absorb.

/Now hie thee hence under yon bridge where thou belongest.
 
2012-10-28 05:36:20 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: /Now hie thee hence under yon bridge where thou belongest.


Hungover, much?

I said ROMNEY doesn't have a jobs plan, and I want SPECIFICS, which as of yet he has refused to deliver.
 
2012-10-28 05:46:26 PM

whidbey: demaL-demaL-yeH: /Now hie thee hence under yon bridge where thou belongest.

Hungover, much?

I said ROMNEY doesn't have a jobs plan, and I want SPECIFICS, which as of yet he has refused to deliver.


Hardly ever.

Lie often? *Ctl-F "whidbey"*
Yes. Yes, you do, troll.
 
2012-10-28 05:58:30 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: whidbey: demaL-demaL-yeH: /Now hie thee hence under yon bridge where thou belongest.

Hungover, much?

I said ROMNEY doesn't have a jobs plan, and I want SPECIFICS, which as of yet he has refused to deliver.

Hardly ever.

Lie often? *Ctl-F "whidbey"*
Yes. Yes, you do, troll.


If he's a troll then so am I. I want specifics as well.
 
2012-10-28 06:07:29 PM

fusillade762: demaL-demaL-yeH: whidbey: demaL-demaL-yeH: /Now hie thee hence under yon bridge where thou belongest.

Hungover, much?
I said ROMNEY doesn't have a jobs plan, and I want SPECIFICS, which as of yet he has refused to deliver.

Hardly ever.
Lie often? *Ctl-F "whidbey"*
Yes. Yes, you do, troll.

If he's a troll then so am I. I want specifics as well.


Sorry. Were you quoting Mark Zandi and pretending you were addressing a question to Obama er, Romney, er $LAST_NAME .NE "Zandi" to provide specifics, too?
 
2012-10-28 06:28:55 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Were you quoting Mark Zandi


Yes, I was, and I apparently did not notice the "no matter who's President" part.

Which, even though I farked up, means "why even vote Romney?"

Still, I've posted here a long time. I'm shamelessly liberal.
 
2012-10-28 06:39:00 PM
This is why we need to get Obama in office. The recovery is picking up, and whoever is president will see America start to prosper again. We cannot let Romney take credit for Obama's foundational work, and the recovery that economists see coming regardless of who's in office.

Then Romney becomes Reagan 2 Plutocrat Bugaloo.
 
2012-10-28 06:40:39 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: fusillade762: demaL-demaL-yeH: whidbey: demaL-demaL-yeH: /Now hie thee hence under yon bridge where thou belongest.

Hungover, much?
I said ROMNEY doesn't have a jobs plan, and I want SPECIFICS, which as of yet he has refused to deliver.

Hardly ever.
Lie often? *Ctl-F "whidbey"*
Yes. Yes, you do, troll.

If he's a troll then so am I. I want specifics as well.

Sorry. Were you quoting Mark Zandi and pretending you were addressing a question to Obama er, Romney, er $LAST_NAME .NE "Zandi" to provide specifics, too?


farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-28 06:49:34 PM

dehehn: Then Romney becomes Reagan 2 Plutocrat Bugaloo.


Well I mean, doesn't anyone even remember the Republican Convention? The absurdly fascist party platform they adopted?

I guess not. Or bonus: they want it.
 
2012-10-28 07:15:42 PM
"If elected, I promise to do nothing and take credit for what the last guy accomplished!
 
2012-10-28 07:41:10 PM

SavageWombat: "If elected, I promise to do nothing and take credit for what the last guy accomplished!


Well hell, why not? People blame the sitting President for the previous President's farkups.
 
2012-10-28 07:47:53 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: bigbadideasinaction: I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?

Yep, but if they get in and give the rich more tax cuts first they get to keep the trickle down myth alive for another 20 years.

And if they don't win, and Obama let's the tax cuts on the wealthy expire, and the 12 million jobs get created anyways, the trickle-down myth with finally be debunked and destroyed forever. That is why they are going to steal this election.


No it won't be. They'll just say that the economy improved in SPITE of Obama raising taxes on the rich. You see, when you've already thrown all logic and reason out the window anyway, there's no limit. Nothing can debunk their talking points, because they will either just reject the facts as invalid or separate the cause from the effect. It's incredibly intellectually dishonest, but par for the course for today's GOP.
 
2012-10-28 07:49:08 PM
Well, considering that the "studies" cited by Romney suggested that the 12 million jobs were going to be created over the next 10 years, yes, that's very realistic. In fact if it creates only 12 million jobs it would be below the trend from October 2010 until now.
 
2012-10-28 07:54:39 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: whidbey: demaL-demaL-yeH: /Now hie thee hence under yon bridge where thou belongest.

Hungover, much?

I said ROMNEY doesn't have a jobs plan, and I want SPECIFICS, which as of yet he has refused to deliver.

Hardly ever.

Lie often? *Ctl-F "whidbey"*
Yes. Yes, you do, troll.


Hey, go easy on whidbey. You two guys are on the same side aren't you? Well, sorta. And whidbey is definitely not a troll. as proof, I offer his Profile. He is merely insane from waaay too much wackytabacy (see pic), and can't help himself.
 
2012-10-28 08:49:19 PM
I take solace in the fact that even if Romney wins, the economy will likely improve at some non zero rate.

Wouldn't like to be a low or middle income person, a young person or a woman during his administration, though.

Wait a minute, I AM a middle income person....
 
2012-10-28 08:55:53 PM
my fil is certain that there will be a huge economic surge if romney wins. His argument is that since it isn't obama, everyone will be happy and start spending again. I buy that to some extent, but there is no big business that would start major projects just b/c there is a new president. They would wait to see what policy changes are going to take place, etc. his brain is so riddled with fox news quotes that he is claiming that the repubs came with a new budget and the dems didn't bring anything to the table. it's painful to watch
 
2012-10-28 09:00:43 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: St_Francis_P: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

A cynical person might even say he's BSing.

Well, I have been called cynical a few times in my life

/he prefers "stand-up philosopher"


I got you a gig in Caesars Palace! The main room? The MAIN ROOM!
 
2012-10-28 09:33:48 PM
It is imperative that a Republican be in office when the economy recovers and booms, lest the rest of the narrative fall to pieces even among the most faithful.
 
2012-10-28 09:42:50 PM
Those 12 million jobs will result from actions that President O took 3 or 4 years ago......that's how long the lag time is between action and results. Rmoney knows this so that's why he's trying to stake claim to President O's successes now, just in case he wins/steals the election.

Rmoney wants credit for the jobs Obama's actions created years ago - just like Rmoney wants credit for making suggestions that saved the auto industry by letting it go bankrupt before not letting it go bankrupt, got it?
 
2012-10-28 10:08:44 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Hardly ever.

Lie often? *Ctl-F "whidbey"*
Yes. Yes, you do, troll.


Idiot or troll?
 
2012-10-29 12:04:46 AM

SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.


Well done, SilentStrider; well done.
 
2012-10-29 12:30:33 AM
The President has not created one single solitary job by himself.

And I'm not just talking Obama here. No President has. And any presidential candidate that promises to do so is either naive or lying.
 
2012-10-29 01:05:43 AM
12 million jobs in China maybe.
 
2012-10-29 01:44:34 AM

TommyDeuce: AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

[www.myqwip.com image 300x400](click to vote in new window)

I imagine that there's a lot of bigots, plutocrats, fundies and misogynists (including female ones).

/They vote too


50%? 50% of Americans are assholes?

Maybe Rmoney should win. America deserves him.
 
2012-10-29 01:52:16 AM

IlGreven: The President has not created one single solitary job by himself.

And I'm not just talking Obama here. No President has. And any presidential candidate that promises to do so is either naive or lying.


Clinton created a job for Ken Starr.
 
2012-10-29 06:24:17 AM
Romney has brass balls talking about jobs.
 
2012-10-29 06:33:48 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Sorry. Were you quoting Mark Zandi and pretending you were addressing a question to Obama er, Romney, er $LAST_NAME .NE "Zandi" to provide specifics, too?


What in the flying farkship are you on about? Not only is Whidbey one of the most loonily left-wing members that Fark has, but "Romney has no economic plans at all" is something that I've seen you say yourself in the past (because it's true). I think you've missed his point by several planets.
 
2012-10-29 08:58:03 AM

LordOfThePings: IlGreven: The President has not created one single solitary job by himself.

And I'm not just talking Obama here. No President has. And any presidential candidate that promises to do so is either naive or lying.

Clinton created a job for Ken Starr.


No, that was David Hale that did that.
 
2012-10-29 10:53:50 AM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

[www.myqwip.com image 300x400](click to vote in new window)


Bigots=15%
Wealthy=5%(of voters)
Fundamentalist and Misogynists (really the same) 30%
That is how you get 50% who vote republicans
 
2012-10-29 10:56:44 AM
Yes, that 12 million job pledge is actually a pledge to do nothing. Not that Romney would ever help the working man, but he just could not stand to hurt his cronies, so 12 million new jobs.
 
2012-10-29 11:12:00 AM
"Cold hard facts. Politics completely aside. I'm just doing the numbers," says Zandi. "I feel confident that we're going to create 12 million jobs over the next four years and we're going to feel a lot better about this economy, regardless of who is president."

This is why the current election is so important. Whoever wins will get to claim what they did saved the economy. Ignore that it was Obama's policies that turned the economy around and set the stage for it to happen, the guy in office when it pays off gets the credit.

Remember when Nixon put a man on the moon?

therealrevo.com
 
2012-10-29 11:35:09 AM

whidbey: Still, I've posted here a long time. I'm shamelessly liberal.


James F. Campbell: Idiot or troll?


Fluorescent Testicle: What in the flying farkship are you on about? Not only is Whidbey one of the most loonily left-wing members that Fark has, but "Romney has no economic plans at all" is something that I've seen you say yourself in the past (because it's true). I think you've missed his point by several planets.


Sorry.

/Note to self: Make the appointment today. You can't put off bifocals any more.
 
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