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(NPR)   Headline: "Romney's 12m jobs target realistic..." Suck it, Libs "...even if he loses." Wait, what?   (npr.org) divider line 100
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2012-10-28 09:14:05 AM
Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.
 
2012-10-28 09:18:39 AM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


A cynical person might even say he's BSing.
 
2012-10-28 09:43:46 AM
It's not a lie if you believe it....George Costanza
 
2012-10-28 10:12:43 AM

johnryan51: It's not a lie if you believe it....George Costanza


True, then you're just wrong.
 
2012-10-28 11:02:11 AM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.
 
2012-10-28 11:18:13 AM

St_Francis_P: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

A cynical person might even say he's BSing.


Well, I have been called cynical a few times in my life

/he prefers "stand-up philosopher"
 
2012-10-28 11:35:46 AM
The Romney campaign has released a statement: If elected, the Romney presidency forecasts an eastern sunrise at least once per day. EVERY day.

The Obama campaign has been alarmingly lacking in any policy agenda to address this issue.

So vote Republican. For a new American sunrise. Guaranteed.
 
2012-10-28 12:11:43 PM

SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.


Thanks for reminding me of work on a Sunday. I think I've received emails that have actually said that.
 
2012-10-28 12:22:07 PM

SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.


My god, you sound like an educational consultant.
 
2012-10-28 12:26:43 PM
It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?
 
2012-10-28 01:38:37 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?


yup. it's why romney made the promise.
 
2012-10-28 01:39:02 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?


Exactly.
 
2012-10-28 02:08:37 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?


Yep. It's roughly like Romney saying "Vote for me and the sun will rise on inauguration day in DC at 7:23. Obama isn't promising that, I can and I am!"
 
2012-10-28 02:28:55 PM
Granted, Obama will take credit for it if/when it happens if he's re-elected, but that would bother me a lot less than Romney doing it because then that would encourage people into thinking Republicans help this country.
 
2012-10-28 02:33:35 PM

Quasar: Granted, Obama will take credit for it if/when it happens if he's re-elected, but that would bother me a lot less than Romney doing it because then that would encourage people into thinking Republicans help this country.


And Obama isn't saying "I WILL do it and I won't tell you how"
 
2012-10-28 02:38:48 PM
I've always believed a (further) recovery is going to happen over the next for years. The thing that aggravates me is that the guy responsible for turning the ship through unprecedented obstructionism (and some of the most hateful rhetoric slung in a generation) may not be the one to get credit for it in the end.

If Romney wins, Obama's presidency is going to get reduced to little more than janitorial work. Wait, that's not entirely accurate. At least some people thank their janitors. Meanwhile, Uncle Pennybags gets all the glory and reinforces the belief that his type is the kind who really deserve the White House.
 
2012-10-28 02:40:39 PM
Well, yes, that's the kicker. The economy is improving and will likely continue to improve no matter who is president. If it's Romney, he will smile, step up, take credit for it, and use it to run for a second term. Hell, he took credit for the turn around of GM, so of course he will take credit for any improvements from Day 1.
 
2012-10-28 02:41:36 PM
Walker made a similar promise when elected in WI, but he managed to fark up the state so badly that we didn't even come close to that figure.

Be advised: No matter how much a conservative is low-balling when he promises an economic turn-around, he is capable of farking it up.
 
2012-10-28 02:42:09 PM
Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

www.myqwip.com(click to vote in new window)
 
2012-10-28 02:42:28 PM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


To be fair, most of his audience is easily swayed by pictures of flags, eagles, troops, and crosses.

And to be honest, any specifics he give will fall into either of these catagories.
a) easily refutable BS
or
b) what obama wants to do
 
2012-10-28 02:43:03 PM
I think you underestimate the post-Reagan Republican talent at farking up absolutely everything they touch.
 
2012-10-28 02:43:23 PM
The economy has already turned a corner and started to rebound, corporate profits and the dow are way up, consumer confidence is up, home prices rose by 4.6% last month, unemployment is down, foreclosures are down, auto reposessions are down. Romney wants to take credit for this... to borrow an old Al Gore quote [this is] "like the rooster taking credit for the sunrise."
 
2012-10-28 02:43:37 PM

I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?


Yep, but if they get in and give the rich more tax cuts first they get to keep the trickle down myth alive for another 20 years.
 
2012-10-28 02:44:17 PM
If RMoney gets elected and the economy fails again, he will just blame Obama.
 
2012-10-28 02:44:28 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying?


a white man?
 
2012-10-28 02:45:55 PM
Freedom Fact of the Day: "If we do those five things, I can take credit for it when, our economy will come roaring back".
 
2012-10-28 02:47:03 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying?


It would require me to turn on Fox News and see what the narrative/lie of the day is.
 
2012-10-28 02:47:16 PM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


The only time the Romney ads are in any way explicit is when it's a blatant lie.

"Obama doesn't want to work across the aisle" = "He won't roll over and do what we tell him to do"
 
2012-10-28 02:47:23 PM

blastoh: AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying?

a white man?


"NO NIG-NOGGERY HERE! NONE!"

www.wearysloth.com
 
2012-10-28 02:48:00 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I think you underestimate the post-Reagan Republican talent at farking up absolutely everything they touch.


They don't fark it up. It's a poor choice of words.

They cash out.

They fark it up for you and me,
They and their friends will make out like bandits.

shiat, these guys will probably hedge bets against the market and then laugh as they make it crash.
 
2012-10-28 02:50:05 PM
fta:
Zandi isn't the only one predicting robust job growth. Joel Prakken, senior managing director of Macroeconomic Advisers, forecasts 11 million jobs added over the next president's term.


This is what scares republicans the most. That Obama might raise raxes, and this this will happen.
Since Reagan, we had
Reagan tax cuts, then growth
Clinton tax hikes then growth
Bush tax cuts then not much of anything

So for simple people, Trickle down is a tie since we started it.

Obama might break that tie and give more (albiet very simplistic) evidence that trickle down doesn't work.


Yeah, this is looking at the issue from an extremely simplistic view, but sadly this is how many voters (especially the undecided) think.
 
2012-10-28 02:50:20 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

[www.myqwip.com image 300x400](click to vote in new window)


I imagine that there's a lot of bigots, plutocrats, fundies and misogynists (including female ones).

/They vote too
 
2012-10-28 02:51:30 PM
Vote for me and on January 20th, I will make the sun rise.
 
2012-10-28 02:54:26 PM

SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.


Needs more synergy.
 
2012-10-28 02:56:05 PM

Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.


Done in one. Used car salesman meets vulture capitalist. Buzzwords, bullshiat, and bafflement are his tools.
 
2012-10-28 02:56:24 PM
Sorry neo-Confederates... Obama gets all the credit for those 12 million jobs. He saved America and will go down as the greatest President in the history of this nation once all you racists finally die off. Feel free to hurry the process along voluntarily if you just can't deal with reality on November 7th.
 
2012-10-28 02:56:38 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Vote for me and on January 20th, I will make the sun rise.


Clearly my oposing candidate is simply trying to cator to the wims of the pro sun rise people, and we all know how unamerican they are. How many jobs have a sunrise produced? Do sunrises pay taxes?

******turns to camera looking all serous******

The backbone of our country, the heart and soul of this county are women. And women, if you vote for me, I will guarantee you than men will want to fark you.
 
2012-10-28 03:03:46 PM

bigbadideasinaction: I_Am_Weasel: It's the same 12 million jobs they forecasted would be created regardless of what is done?

Yep, but if they get in and give the rich more tax cuts first they get to keep the trickle down myth alive for another 20 years.


And if they don't win, and Obama let's the tax cuts on the wealthy expire, and the 12 million jobs get created anyways, the trickle-down myth with finally be debunked and destroyed forever. That is why they are going to steal this election.
 
2012-10-28 03:05:20 PM

blastoh: Britney Spear's Speculum: Vote for me and on January 20th, I will make the sun rise.

Clearly my oposing candidate is simply trying to cator to the wims of the pro sun rise people, and we all know how unamerican they are. How many jobs have a sunrise produced? Do sunrises pay taxes?

******turns to camera looking all serous******

The backbone of our country, the heart and soul of this county are women. And women, if you vote for me, I will guarantee you than men will want to fark you.


Romney couldn't even deliver that message without looking like a disingenuous, smirking asshole.
 
2012-10-28 03:05:32 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.

Needs more synergy.


Wholly Heuristic Operational Reaction Engine.
 
2012-10-28 03:07:00 PM

BafflerMeal: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: SilentStrider: Lurking Fear: Romney is campaigning using lots of vague terms that in reality mean nothing and would do nothing. Sort of an interdependent consultant who specializes in in proactive solutions to hypothetical situations.

Its a holistic paradigm solutions oriented problem solving matrix.

Needs more synergy.

Holy Heuristic Operational Reaction Engine, Batman!


ftfy
 
2012-10-28 03:07:44 PM
Hadn't this point been brought up about six months ago?

oldnewsissoexciting.jpg
 
2012-10-28 03:08:45 PM

blastoh: fta:
Zandi isn't the only one predicting robust job growth. Joel Prakken, senior managing director of Macroeconomic Advisers, forecasts 11 million jobs added over the next president's term.


This is what scares republicans the most. That Obama might raise raxes, and this this will happen.
Since Reagan, we had
Reagan tax cuts, then growth
Clinton tax hikes then growth
Bush tax cuts then not much of anything

So for simple people, Trickle down is a tie since we started it.

Obama might break that tie and give more (albiet very simplistic) evidence that trickle down doesn't work.


Yeah, this is looking at the issue from an extremely simplistic view, but sadly this is how many voters (especially the undecided) think.


Actually it was Reagan tax cuts then loss followed by Reagan tax hikes then growth.
 
2012-10-28 03:08:57 PM
Wait, you mean that the economy ISN't just a set of magic levers that you can push and pull to get everyone jobs??
 
2012-10-28 03:11:17 PM

AntiNerd: Can someone explain to me what the GOP is offering that seemingly 50% of the nation is buying? EVERYTHING they say that isn't smoke in mirrors is outright bigotry, plutocracy, fundamentalism or misogyny. The people who benefit from what they SAY they are going to do is actually quite small.

So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?

I hadn't posted this a while (it isn't popular I know) but it reflects what actual Farkers think. And if they represent the nation as a whole this election should be a Reagan-Mondale type blowout, not a statistical dead heat.

[www.myqwip.com image 300x400](click to vote in new window)


FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's base demographic.
 
2012-10-28 03:11:52 PM
The truth is the truth even if no one believes it and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it
 
2012-10-28 03:12:07 PM
indylaw:
FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's Rmoney's base demographic.

Oops.
 
2012-10-28 03:16:33 PM

MurphyMurphy: demaL-demaL-yeH: I think you underestimate the post-Reagan Republican talent at farking up absolutely everything they touch.

They don't fark it up. It's a poor choice of words.

They cash out.

They fark it up for you and me,
They and their friends will make out like bandits.

shiat, these guys will probably hedge bets against the market and then laugh as they make it crash.


Already.
Been.
Done.
 
2012-10-28 03:19:40 PM

AntiNerd: So what is it? Do they hate Obama that much for no reason?


I wouldn't say "no reason," it's "The Reason That Cannot Be Named."
 
2012-10-28 03:20:29 PM

indylaw: indylaw:
FARKers are people that own computers and most of them have a college education. At the same time, we don't have 200 foot yachts and 8 figure CEO jobs to occupy time that we would otherwise use to FARK. Which is to say that we're not really Obama's Rmoney's base demographic.

Oops.


Meh. Works either way.
 
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