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(The New York Times)   Asians are 14% of the city's students but win 60% of the seats to elite high schools in a competitive exam. Do other ethnic groups A) Study harder, B) Learn from Asian culture, or C) File a lawsuit?   (nytimes.com) divider line 56
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2012-10-28 07:12:14 AM  
8 votes:
Yeah, fark that.

Merit alone should be the deciding factor. These Asian kids may be smarter than us white folk, and for that they need to have their intelligence groomed for better things. Forcing white/black/hispanic into these rooms just because they are not as represented is idiotic for our future.
2012-10-28 08:51:06 AM  
4 votes:
WTF. It thought all these exams were cultural bias in favor of the white man who designed the test. How are these Asians slipping through our net of lies and trickery ?

For decades Black leaders and others told us there were inherent racist elements in testing. How western -Caucasian people approach problems . Africans were more verbal with a rich history of oral history....and bunch of other pseudo intellectual bullshiate passed around the table with babble head nodding whites agreeing.

And in the background the Asians were winning spelling bee's with parents who barley spoke English.
MIT became known as Made In Taiwan....on and on while this myth of flawed testing was pass on to the public.

White people love Asians. Hell look at that the intermarriage rates. Much less positive cultural images.
You farkers need to get pass the "white " in all the root cause of problems.

Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Maybe you can talk the Asian immigrants to break up their families and have the kids raised by single mothers and absent fathers. Then make sure to teach them that success is selling out their own and acting white. Then we can get those test scores down

Or we can just scream white racism and adjust the numbers to guaranteeing an quota in schools and business.

//sick of Travis Smiley types and their stupid excuses for destructive behavior.
2012-10-28 10:35:14 AM  
3 votes:

ComicBookGuy: Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?

You are an idiot.


Give him break. Most modern "social justice" movements are based on the concept of "white privilege" . If this is concept is shown to be false (or even fundamentally flawed), then all those Master of Gender Studies degrees are essentially useless. Chariset is merely trying to perpetuate the "white privilege" stereotype and thus protect his educational investment.
2012-10-28 10:09:25 AM  
3 votes:

bmihura: jso2897: ronaprhys: jso2897: Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.

It probably takes about 2-3 generations for it to truly die off, but the problem* is that we can still get a lot of first generation people here. If the best, brightest, and/or most motivated are the ones that come here and leave their shiatty country, we can expect that they'll work hard and motivate their kids. When those kids grow up and succeed, they'll still have the grandparents around to help drive those ideals into their children. However, it's this group that will, after being fully-exposed to the entitlement mentality that permeates Americans, want "better" for their children. Those kids will have everything handed to them and end up being fully Americanized. They'll get degrees in psychology or other liberal arts - but fully expect to make as much as an engineer or chemist.

Exactly - the reason these kids are "smarter" than ours are cultural - and in three generations, they'll be as dumb and lazy as the rest of us.
Of course some people have a need to believe that the so-called "races" differ on some intrinsic level, but you aren't going to educate them, and i don't argue with them.

Oh, races are the same? Are males and females the same, too? I wish to subscribe to your Californian newsletter.


Members of the species actually belong to two separate genders. They do not, in fact, belong to separate, taxonomically distinct "races". Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.
2012-10-28 07:51:23 AM  
3 votes:
This is the "American Dream" immigrants speak of. You move to this country for the opportunity to achieve success not attainable in your home country. It's not a guarantee. You still have to put forth some effort to achieve your dreams.
2012-10-28 05:55:30 PM  
2 votes:

Fallout Boy: ThrobblefootSpectre: MatrixOutsider: As a white guy, the only thing worse than being academically trounced by Asians was always coming in second to them because I could not match their discipline.

As a white guy, there's nothing wrong with being trounced by ______. (Fill in the blank with any human race.) There's always someone smarter/better. It happens.

Now what IS farked up beyond all recognition is that only the white guy will be told and lectured his entire life, from cradle to grave, that the only reason he got where he is is because of "white privilege", and he doesn't deserve anything he has worked for and should be ashamed of it.

Politically correct racist horseshiat. Don't obsess over race, including your own.

I never knew white people had it this rough. Why aren't anyone talking about this instead of the frivolous bs problems other races have?


Can't agree more. I have had the honor of meeting plenty of white folks who work damn hard with what they have to put food on the table and a roof over their family's heads. Each time I hear a kid talking to me about how "white people" this or "white people" that, I get on his case. It's stupid, self-pitying, downright racist tripe.

Yes, there are white racists out there. There are plenty of white people in power who are racists, too. I'm sure of that.

But at least 90% of the time, the setbacks a minority kid gets in life is because of his own dumb self, and maybe his own dumb parents. And, the best way out of it is through his own hard work.

Here's some advice to parents:

1) FORCE your kids to read for an hour a day MINIMUM. No music, no tv, no computers, just a book and the kid. But put effort into letting the kid choose a book he/she will like. Go to the library, bookstore, amazon. This is the #1 factor in high reading comprehension and writing skills - and proven by data.

2) Visit your child's classroom often - bring doughnuts, little cards for holidays, presents for the teacher (maybe a homemade pie or even a thank-you card). Your child will get HUGE benefits from these small efforts, and will much more likely be willing to tell you things.

3) Invest in your child's fitness. This is a lifelong gift you can give, and must be made a habit of by high school. If you let him get fat and slovenly in high school, he/she will have to fight being depressed, fat, and unhappy the rest of his/her life.

4) Make sure your son/daughter gets help in algebra 1. if you do that properly, you won't have to worry about the rest of the math classes. If you screw that up, he/she is not going to anything better than community college.


This is tough advice that no one wants to hear, but what I've been trying hard to do. It is hard but I know I'll be dead one day and this is the best inheritance I'll ever be able to leave behind.
2012-10-28 05:12:28 PM  
2 votes:

aesirx: Asians earn their good grades. they work their butts off. it's not like the teacher is spotting all of the Asians, giving them an automatic A+, and giving everyone else C's.

fourth of all, have they seen any studies on the rate of suicide, depression, and burn out that Asian high schoolers are facing? it's disproportionately high.


Yeah, my upbringing was a recipe for "success" as Randians define it, but I'm not sure I'd call it a recipe for happiness. I spend most of my twenties with a bit of a complex, I have very few fond childhood memories and no desire for children of my own. I'm better off financially AND stress-wise than most of my peers, but I don't really like how hard I had to work to get there. This is the richest country in the history of the world; why did I have to work 80-hour weeks just to pay off student loans??
2012-10-28 12:24:50 PM  
2 votes:
"Race" exists as far as their being different distributions of alleles, repeats, polymorphisms, and mutations across the human genetic sequence, the same way there is variation in any large population of sexually reproducing organisms. Geographical separation and adaptation to specific physical and cultural environments (e.g., having dairy farming or not having it) generate these changes, not so much "competition." The more unique aspect of the human species is that it's the widest ranging single species, probably in the planet's history. However, human genomes don't actually differ that much from each other, dispersion of the current population was very recent, and we're unquestionably a single species, with uniform chromosomal arrangements and only incidentally varying biochemistry. Hell, chimpanzees may vary more than we do at the genome level, and they all look the same to most of us! There are other single species whose individuals are far more different -- look at dogs, which have become so differentiated thanks to human domestication and breeding.

Even though there are different *localized* populations with some genetic pattern differences (minor overall in importance, I assure you) and, pragmatically speaking, disease susceptibilities, this could often be variation WITHIN northern Europe, or WITHIN southern or western African. The point is that such divisions are generally poorly correlated with the standard racial constructs and attitudes of a certain region. "Race" is largely a cultural, social, and psychological concept -- if underlying biologies also vary, that should be taken for what it is: Standard and largely meaningless variation that, if anything, is good for the species as a whole because gene flow and genetic variation are adaptive. Culturally, *only when combined with variation in region, culture, and/or lifestyle* such variation helps to add diversity of perspective and experience and may promote flexible, more expanded thinking and creativity. These are the foundations upon which we have built the successes of the *human race*.
2012-10-28 11:19:45 AM  
2 votes:
Relcec
2012-10-28 11:07:38 AM
rohar: Ok I'll bite. Why are some schools in NYC held to one standard while the rest are held to a different one? The solution isn't affirmative action, the solution is to bring the low standard schools up to the "excellent" standard.

the actual solution would be to somehow increase the proportion of two parent families that actually give a shiat about the kids they are banging out relative two the number of single parent or uncaring parents that are pumping out kids.
that could create entire communities that give a f*ck. the problem is cultural values, and the solution won't be found in increasing expenditure or raising standards.


We had those values. We called them Christian values. But America has spent the last 50 years destroying Christrian values and look what has happened.
2012-10-28 09:56:13 AM  
2 votes:

jso2897: Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.


It probably takes about 2-3 generations for it to truly die off, but the problem* is that we can still get a lot of first generation people here. If the best, brightest, and/or most motivated are the ones that come here and leave their shiatty country, we can expect that they'll work hard and motivate their kids. When those kids grow up and succeed, they'll still have the grandparents around to help drive those ideals into their children. However, it's this group that will, after being fully-exposed to the entitlement mentality that permeates Americans, want "better" for their children. Those kids will have everything handed to them and end up being fully Americanized. They'll get degrees in psychology or other liberal arts - but fully expect to make as much as an engineer or chemist.
2012-10-28 09:00:13 AM  
2 votes:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: WTF. It thought all these exams were cultural bias in favor of the white man who designed the test. How are these Asians slipping through our net of lies and trickery ?

For decades Black leaders and others told us there were inherent racist elements in testing. How western -Caucasian people approach problems . Africans were more verbal with a rich history of oral history....and bunch of other pseudo intellectual bullshiate passed around the table with babble head nodding whites agreeing.

And in the background the Asians were winning spelling bee's with parents who barley spoke English.
MIT became known as Made In Taiwan....on and on while this myth of flawed testing was pass on to the public.

White people love Asians. Hell look at that the intermarriage rates. Much less positive cultural images.
You farkers need to get pass the "white " in all the root cause of problems.

Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Maybe you can talk the Asian immigrants to break up their families and have the kids raised by single mothers and absent fathers. Then make sure to teach them that success is selling out their own and acting white. Then we can get those test scores down

Or we can just scream white racism and adjust the numbers to guaranteeing an quota in schools and business.

//sick of Travis Smiley types and their stupid excuses for destructive behavior.


White men marry asian women, you don't see a lot of white women marrying asian men.

White men want a little china doll who well be quiet, tend the house, and not balloon into a loud mouthed elepephant with a tattoo on her calf and half his paycheck while she does nothing to contribute.
2012-10-28 08:21:01 AM  
2 votes:
Wonder what happens when a black, white and asian move to Mexico and has to learn Spanish....

Do they provide special education for immigrants?
Do they give special education to for-ners?
2012-10-28 07:59:47 AM  
2 votes:
"blacks and Hispanics" are not leading anything.

It's their lawyers.
2012-10-28 07:45:42 AM  
2 votes:
OK, but how did they do on their drivers exam, huh?

That's what I want to know
2012-10-29 09:56:48 AM  
1 votes:

JesusJuice: Easy fix: include an essay component. Asians are great at memorizing tests, but original thinking? Not so much.


Because there aren't any essays in every single college prep course, literature courses, social studies courses, or college entrance applications? That must be why Asians aren't accepted into colleges then.
2012-10-28 07:17:22 PM  
1 votes:
How many of the kids that didn't make value sport or video games more than school? And how many of those schools buy new football uniforms but can't afford new science equipment?
2012-10-28 06:49:54 PM  
1 votes:

jayphat:

Umm, liberals in the 60's DID try to deny blacks the right to vote. Revisionist history is fun, yes?


No moron, southern democrats (dixiecrats) did. They were social conservatives, much like many republicans are now. In fact, many southern whites left the democratic party and joined the republican party (where they remain to this day) because a democrat president (from the south, no less) signed into law the rights of black people to vote and become full citizens of this country.
The liberals were down there marching and getting killed to make sure blacks had the right to vote.
All democrats have not been liberal, and all liberals have not been democrats.

Maybe you should actually learn some history before talking sh*t, dumbass.
2012-10-28 05:57:39 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: daveUSMC: is it taboo to suggest that different cultures have different values?

Yes, it is. It's also taboo to suggest that parents pass their cultural values down to their children, who pass them along to their children, etc.


Probably. And it's also wrong to suggest that hard work and sacrifice is what gets you ahead.

Here in So Cal, of course, we have the Hispanic immigrants (legal and otherwise) who stand out in front of Home Depots at 4 a.m. to get day labor jobs; their sons now own the small subcontracting, handyman and demolition crews that are the foundation of small construction here in this area. And we have the second- and third-generation Vietnamese whose parents rowed across the entire Pacific in leaky bathtubs who now run the entire city of Westminster and most of Long Beach.

These will not be the ones you hear complaining that their kids have too much homework or that tests to get into high school are unfair.
2012-10-28 05:31:44 PM  
1 votes:

daveUSMC: is it taboo to suggest that different cultures have different values?


When you make judgement calls about the worth of each culture without historical, sociological, political and financial context, yes.

When you try to relate those values to appearance (i.e. skin color), even more so.

Problem is that many of the people who try and "suggest" that different cultures have different values are not trying to simply explain those differences or those values, but to prove why certain cultures and certain values are better than others, particularly if those cultures and values are in line with their beliefs.

There is a difference between:
"This ball is blue and this ball is red."
and
"I think this ball is better because it is blue."
Got it?
2012-10-28 05:03:47 PM  
1 votes:

theflatline: White men want a little china doll who well be quiet, tend the house, and not balloon into a loud mouthed elepephant with a tattoo on her calf and half his paycheck while she does nothing to contribute.


My whitey husband must be quite surprised, then.
2012-10-28 04:49:13 PM  
1 votes:
first of all, I'm Asian AND I went to Stuyvesant High School, so I'm getting a kick etc.

second of all, "the Shis"? I know that's the plural of their family name, but I found it funny. "Let's go find some Shiiiiiiiiisssssss and congratulate them on their son's hard work."

third of all, Asians earn their good grades. they work their butts off. it's not like the teacher is spotting all of the Asians, giving them an automatic A+, and giving everyone else C's.

fourth of all, have they seen any studies on the rate of suicide, depression, and burn out that Asian high schoolers are facing? it's disproportionately high.
2012-10-28 03:10:44 PM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Vectron: Or condense it down to gentile White People are Bad. Everything they have ever done has been unfair. They were nothing but bible thumping plantation owners that sat around drinking mint julips while slaves built America. America is nothing but a racist hellhole and we should all be ashamed of our grandparents, great granparents, etc.

That's some fine edumacation you got there, Lou.


You don't beleave Christians aren't trying to dumb down science education? If you buy that I got someone ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
/btw I'm white as wonder bread



Some dumb ass evangelicals perhaps but not the vast majority of Christians.
If you get your life experiences through Fark, I can see why you would believe that though.
Don't always take the most extreme behavior of a group and assign it as the mainstream behavior of the entire group.
2012-10-28 02:12:55 PM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: jjorsett: The city began offering a free test-prep program several years ago for black and Hispanic students, but after a legal challenge, other ethnic groups were granted the same access to the course. Today, 43 percent of the students in the program are Asian.

Every time liberals try to do something nice for a favored group, somebody has to screw it up by demanding equal treatment. What a pain.

Yeah, like when liberals wanted to let pharmacists of a favored group deny filling prescriptions they disagreed with based on religious belief. Or when liberals wanted to deny gays the right to get married for the sake of a favored group's religious belief. Or when liberals wanted to stop women from gaining the right to vote, or blacks the right to vote, or blacks the right to anything. Damn liberals, always trying to cater to a favored group. When will they ever learn, amirite?


Umm, liberals in the 60's DID try to deny blacks the right to vote. Revisionist history is fun, yes?
2012-10-28 01:47:22 PM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: The city began offering a free test-prep program several years ago for black and Hispanic students, but after a legal challenge, other ethnic groups were granted the same access to the course. Today, 43 percent of the students in the program are Asian.

Every time liberals try to do something nice for a favored group, somebody has to screw it up by demanding equal treatment. What a pain.


Yeah, like when liberals wanted to let pharmacists of a favored group deny filling prescriptions they disagreed with based on religious belief. Or when liberals wanted to deny gays the right to get married for the sake of a favored group's religious belief. Or when liberals wanted to stop women from gaining the right to vote, or blacks the right to vote, or blacks the right to anything. Damn liberals, always trying to cater to a favored group. When will they ever learn, amirite?
2012-10-28 01:41:01 PM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: Every time liberals try to do something nice for a favored group, somebody has to screw it up by demanding equal treatment. What a pain.


Ain't it though? It's almost like giving specific, favored people special exemptions to the laws that burden everyone else is called "corruption."

/at least by the people that aren't being given special exemptions
//the people who do benefit consider it "just recognition of our superiority"
///true justice is blind, "social justice" is not
2012-10-28 01:16:00 PM  
1 votes:
The city began offering a free test-prep program several years ago for black and Hispanic students, but after a legal challenge, other ethnic groups were granted the same access to the course. Today, 43 percent of the students in the program are Asian.

Every time liberals try to do something nice for a favored group, somebody has to screw it up by demanding equal treatment. What a pain.
2012-10-28 12:47:47 PM  
1 votes:
People seem to forget that for every kid with sub-standard scores accepted due to Affirmative Action, there's a kid who's better qualified who didn't get to go to the college of their choice, or to go at all.

School admissions are a zero-sum game when you do it like that. Give someone a leg up, someone else gets burned. Why should the Asian students get punished because their parents pushed too many of them to study hard and succeed? I hope this lawsuit gets thrown right into the trash-can.
2012-10-28 12:32:40 PM  
1 votes:
Back in my day, when white people owned everything, fair representation was gospel. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, suddenly everyone's all bootstrappy? Now that 60% of all college students are women, will we have affirmative action for men? Nah, fark 'em. It's not about equality or fairness, it's about what gets me mine.
2012-10-28 12:07:50 PM  
1 votes:

cman: jso2897: Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.

LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.

About the level of responses I expected.
Yawn.

If race does not exist then why do scientists say it do?


They don't.

Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.

LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.

About the level of responses I expected.
Yawn.

Educate us then. If race doesn't exist, then how can it be seen and measured?


It can't.
2012-10-28 11:36:49 AM  
1 votes:

LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.


Did your mother punch you in the head repeatedly as an infant, or were you born this astoundingly stupid?
2012-10-28 11:30:15 AM  
1 votes:
I'll say something that few will admit, let alone support - at least those who work in education.

Low performing public schools aren't low performing because of teachers. Certainly, there are some lazy and uncaring ones, but the major reason why low performing public schools exist is because of the students.

Every student can learn - true. But when half of each year's academic time and energy is taken up convincing, cajoling, redirecting, and chasing those kids into participating positively, the education of all the other kids suffers horribly.

This is what needs to happen, if we want things to improve significantly (and not depend on martyred teachers who essentially sacrifice their own lives for no reward other than knowing they made a difference): kick underperforming kids out.

I'll say it again: kick underperforming kids out. I don't mean make them drop out, but establish trade schools and apprenticeship programs where these kids will fit in. Kids most often act up when they feel like things are too far above their head. Can't do any of the work, so might as well act up.

It doesn't have to be permanent. Let them study and test their way back into academic programs if they want to. In the same way, if they continue to act up and underperform in those alternative schools, send them to work details - sweeping floors, collecting trash. And if they act up in those, send them home. Doesn't matter if they are 18 or 8. But allow them to test back in, and provide free programs to help with that. Programs that not only provide tutoring, but breakfast and lunch and dinner.
2012-10-28 11:28:38 AM  
1 votes:

jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.


Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.
2012-10-28 11:21:17 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Right: My question is not why some ethnicities are more successful. My question is why is a school system able to make some schools elite and offer superior education not be able to bring all of their schools up to that level?


Because not every student is, or will ever be capable, of performing at top levels
2012-10-28 10:55:06 AM  
1 votes:
So..... when it's a majority of Asians accomplishing something it's because they work harder. When it's a majority of caucasians accomplishing something the system is skewed and rigged to be unfair?
2012-10-28 10:22:43 AM  
1 votes:

theflatline: from my blood: Wonder what happens when a black, white and asian move to Mexico and has to learn Spanish....

Do they provide special education for immigrants?
Do they give special education to for-ners?

Asians speaking Spanish is perhaps one of the funniest yet nails on a chalkboard sounds at the same time.


Yes, because all Asians have accents, right?
2012-10-28 10:17:04 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Right: My question is not why some ethnicities are more successful. My question is why is a school system able to make some schools elite and offer superior education not be able to bring all of their schools up to that level?


because there arent enough elite students?
2012-10-28 10:08:03 AM  
1 votes:
Hmm. Perhaps it is time to close our borders. Let these immigrants fix their own countries instead of fleeing.
Also love TFAs spin on what has been previously called outright racism in academia. Just wow. It is like sometimes there is this massive gorilla in the room but no one wants to talk about it... for centuries.
2012-10-28 10:07:19 AM  
1 votes:

bmihura: jso2897: ronaprhys: jso2897: Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.

It probably takes about 2-3 generations for it to truly die off, but the problem* is that we can still get a lot of first generation people here. If the best, brightest, and/or most motivated are the ones that come here and leave their shiatty country, we can expect that they'll work hard and motivate their kids. When those kids grow up and succeed, they'll still have the grandparents around to help drive those ideals into their children. However, it's this group that will, after being fully-exposed to the entitlement mentality that permeates Americans, want "better" for their children. Those kids will have everything handed to them and end up being fully Americanized. They'll get degrees in psychology or other liberal arts - but fully expect to make as much as an engineer or chemist.

Exactly - the reason these kids are "smarter" than ours are cultural - and in three generations, they'll be as dumb and lazy as the rest of us.
Of course some people have a need to believe that the so-called "races" differ on some intrinsic level, but you aren't going to educate them, and i don't argue with them.

Oh, races are the same? Are males and females the same, too? I wish to subscribe to your Californian newsletter.


I'll take strawmen for $200, Alex.
2012-10-28 10:00:44 AM  
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Why even bring up one of the most blatant and outspoken racists of our time, on the most biased propaganda outlet in the U.S? It is counterproductive.


Because there are enough idiots who take that bloated piece of shiat seriously that he needs to be mocked so much that anyone quoting him is completely discounted from the get-go.
2012-10-28 09:47:16 AM  
1 votes:
Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.
2012-10-28 09:46:22 AM  
1 votes:
I would suggest to the whiners filing the lawsuits that they would benefit their people by learning from example, but I would be called a racist again, so fark 'em, let them keep falling behind. Let some other fool help someone who won't help themselves.

BTW, this link to TFA seems to work: Link 
2012-10-28 09:38:29 AM  
1 votes:
So am I free to assume that those who would file suit have never uttered the words, "America rewards hard work. You need to earn your way, not expect the government to hand you everything?"
2012-10-28 09:07:08 AM  
1 votes:

Apologies for my previous abortion of a comment.

FTA: Ting Shi said his first two years in the United States were wretched. He slept in a bunk bed in the same room with his grandparents and a cousin in Chinatown, while his parents lived on East 89th Street, near a laundromat where they endured 12-hour shifts. He saw them only on Sundays.

[...]

The afternoon his acceptance letter to Stuyvesant High School arrived in the mail, he and his parents gathered at the laundromat, the smell of detergent and the whirl of the washing machines filling the air. "Everyone was excited," Ting recalled.

Ting's father said he felt rejuvenated, and now dismissed the idea of returning: "I thought: the next generation will have a good future," he said.


That's the thing with Asians [in Australia], and the wave of post-WWII Italian, Greek, and Yugoslav immigrants before them. The first generation of new Australians worked damned bloody hard.

A heck of a lot of immigrants from other ethnicities want to be PLAYAS as soon as they get off the boat.

"Where's all da free money at?"
2012-10-28 08:34:46 AM  
1 votes:
is it taboo to suggest that different cultures have different values?
2012-10-28 08:32:26 AM  
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RodneyToady: There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant." While my parents (immigrant Sicilian father) didn't push me to take this test, they still pushed me hard to achieve academically. I got into the public Queens equivalent, and went to what is likely the best Catholic high school in the county (possibly the city). My friends, also children of immigrants, were pushed in much the same way. Race/ethnicity wasn't the driver... immigrant parents was.


Yep, that's the issue.

... and I'd be pissed off as well especially if after spending grades k-6 in the NYPS, Some immigrants brought their kids over and crammed him for two years and then he landed in the best school in NYC.

... basically Ting Shi's father decided he could stay because his son got to cut in line.

... and a lot of this is also about class.While we think of 'immigrants' as being poor, this isn't necessarily the case. Owning a business as a immigrant doesn't mean that the boy's parents were working for the previous owner and earned it. It means that they took a ball of money that they made (or borrowed from family and friends) and bought the business. They also were able to discharge their son's care to their parents. This is a total commitment to the success of the child. I suspect this may be a cultural value, but it's also certainly indicative of the attitude of middle-class people.

I think the serious matter to be considered is that children of extraordinary tenacity and ability who develop in the NYPS system may still fall behind their middle-class peers who come into the system with resources, and that the school system designed to improve the fate of inner-city youth by giving them a way out of poverty is instead being used by people who may love america but are seen as 'newcomers' and 'interlopers'.
2012-10-28 08:20:23 AM  
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Let me break it down for yall.

What would you choose as a more pleasant past time. I will let you fill in the ethnic blanks.

Sitting on the stoop burning a blunt and looking at phat azzes or studying?

Sitting in your card burning a joint looking at chicas con culazos. or studying?

Working in mom and pops 110 degree laundry/kitchen looking at girls with no asses or reading a book in a quiet air conditioned library?

It is hardly any wonder why asian kids rise to the top. I blame it on lack of good weed and flat asses.
2012-10-28 08:15:54 AM  
1 votes:

Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?


Oops, you might want to read the article first.
2012-10-28 08:15:26 AM  
1 votes:
They can't afford tutoring for their kids? What, do they think Asian immigrants are all filthy rich? Do they think the owner of Ting's Laundromat wears a Rolex?
2012-10-28 08:14:47 AM  
1 votes:
Let those who perform well academically get the competitive academic positions. Ugh. Why do racists always have to make everything in the universe about race?
2012-10-28 08:02:54 AM  
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God-is-a-Taco: Oh, after a few refreshed I got it to load.

RodneyToady:
There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant."

Yeah, the Brain Gain is a pretty sweet deal for the most part.
If even 1% of Chinese people are smart, there's 14 million to choose from.

We could also create our own by having good public schools, but that sounds like a bother.


Actually that is a very good point, especially if pure talent plays more of a role than good schools.

If you had a choice of personally being in charge of reforming the school system or instead simply allowing smart people to come to the USA, I think the answer as to which one would be far easier to accomplish would be obvious.

Note though, that these talented people are excelling in our school system, so maybe its not such a bad system after all. The cream will always rise to the top.
2012-10-28 08:02:28 AM  
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from my blood: "blacks and Hispanics" are not leading anything.

It's their lawyers.


And by "their lawyers" I mean asshats who found them and offered to represent them.


Watch as the American legal system spirals itself down to a hole in the round.
2012-10-28 07:59:17 AM  
1 votes:
The NAACP filed suit and Bloomberg told them that there was no need, because the tests were not designed with ethnicity in mind, but to ferret out the best and the brightness. Bloomberg smackdown in hymietown!
2012-10-28 07:50:44 AM  
1 votes:
Oh, after a few refreshed I got it to load.

RodneyToady:
There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant."


Yeah, the Brain Gain is a pretty sweet deal for the most part.
If even 1% of Chinese people are smart, there's 14 million to choose from.

We could also create our own by having good public schools, but that sounds like a bother.
2012-10-28 07:46:04 AM  
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Please Log In
2012-10-28 07:45:44 AM  
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Link to "Please log in" page. WTF, subby?
2012-10-27 08:59:09 PM  
1 votes:
D) Beat up all the Asian kids.
 
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