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(The New York Times)   Asians are 14% of the city's students but win 60% of the seats to elite high schools in a competitive exam. Do other ethnic groups A) Study harder, B) Learn from Asian culture, or C) File a lawsuit?   (nytimes.com) divider line 323
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2012-10-28 10:18:36 AM  

thisisarepeat: Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?

Yeah, +10 points for white kids cuz WWII.


What else did you expect from Obama's America?
 
2012-10-28 10:21:50 AM  
The city began offering a free test-prep program several years ago for black and Hispanic students, but after a legal challenge, other ethnic groups were granted the same access to the course. Today, 43 percent of the students in the program are Asian. Three years ago, Ting Shi was one of them.

Hmmmmm

Others take issue with the exam on philosophical grounds. "You shouldn't have to prep Sunday to Sunday, to get into a good high school," said Melissa Santana, a legal secretary whose daughter Dejanellie Falette has been prepping this fall for the exam. "That's extreme."

I bet I know someone's whose daughter isn't getting in.
 
2012-10-28 10:22:43 AM  

theflatline: from my blood: Wonder what happens when a black, white and asian move to Mexico and has to learn Spanish....

Do they provide special education for immigrants?
Do they give special education to for-ners?

Asians speaking Spanish is perhaps one of the funniest yet nails on a chalkboard sounds at the same time.


Yes, because all Asians have accents, right?
 
2012-10-28 10:28:04 AM  

shotglasss: BarkingUnicorn: D) Beat up all the Asian kids.

That's a nice thought, but you'd get Kung Fu'd to death real quick.


Nah, we've been doing it in the Philly schools for years.

/srsly
//Feds had to get involved because the SD was so blatant regarding their favoritism with Black on Asian violence
 
2012-10-28 10:29:02 AM  
Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?

You are an idiot.
 
2012-10-28 10:35:14 AM  

ComicBookGuy: Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?

You are an idiot.


Give him break. Most modern "social justice" movements are based on the concept of "white privilege" . If this is concept is shown to be false (or even fundamentally flawed), then all those Master of Gender Studies degrees are essentially useless. Chariset is merely trying to perpetuate the "white privilege" stereotype and thus protect his educational investment.
 
2012-10-28 10:41:56 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Why even bring up one of the most blatant and outspoken racists of our time, on the most biased propaganda outlet in the U.S? It is counterproductive.


Thought it was a good of example of what passes for lack of integrity and reliable source of information when it comes to such matters.
 
2012-10-28 10:52:01 AM  

WhippingBoy: ComicBookGuy: Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?

You are an idiot.

Give him break. Most modern "social justice" movements are based on the concept of "white privilege" . If this is concept is shown to be false (or even fundamentally flawed), then all those Master of Gender Studies degrees are essentially useless. Chariset is merely trying to perpetuate the "white privilege" stereotype and thus protect his educational investment.


sociology today often is cargo science
many practitioners are in fact antipositivists
 
2012-10-28 10:55:06 AM  
So..... when it's a majority of Asians accomplishing something it's because they work harder. When it's a majority of caucasians accomplishing something the system is skewed and rigged to be unfair?
 
2012-10-28 10:56:32 AM  
Ok I'll bite. Why are some schools in NYC held to one standard while the rest are held to a different one? The solution isn't affirmative action, the solution is to bring the low standard schools up to the "excellent" standard.
 
2012-10-28 10:57:33 AM  

Alleyoop: Let some other fool help someone who won't help themselves.


dragonchild: This attitude doesn't change the situation unless you seriously intend to implement a eugenics program. Otherwise they're still your problem.


Eugenics has nothing to do with someone who refuses to improve themselves, Strawman. People with entitlement attitudes are reproducing quite efficiently without my help.
 
2012-10-28 11:02:55 AM  

WhippingBoy: If this is concept is shown to be false (or even fundamentally flawed), then all those Master of Gender Studies degrees are essentially useless


From the looks of your "argument," you seem to have a GED in Gender Studies yourself. Because you've never heard of "model minority" forms of racism, it seems.
 
2012-10-28 11:03:02 AM  
lewismarktwo: Too bad testing doesn't do anything but find the people who can memorize or test well. But who needs ingenuity?

Anybody who want to keep a non-shiatty job for more than a few days?
 
2012-10-28 11:04:49 AM  
Shakespeer said, the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
 
2012-10-28 11:07:38 AM  

rohar: Ok I'll bite. Why are some schools in NYC held to one standard while the rest are held to a different one? The solution isn't affirmative action, the solution is to bring the low standard schools up to the "excellent" standard.


the actual solution would be to somehow increase the proportion of two parent families that actually give a shiat about the kids they are banging out relative two the number of single parent or uncaring parents that are pumping out kids.
that could create entire communities that give a f*ck. the problem is cultural values, and the solution won't be found in increasing expenditure or raising standards.
 
2012-10-28 11:11:54 AM  
'Losing Ground'

Great book.
 
2012-10-28 11:16:06 AM  

daveUSMC: is it taboo to suggest that different cultures have different values?


Yes, and you should feel bad.
 
2012-10-28 11:17:57 AM  

megalynn44: So..... when it's a majority of Asians accomplishing something it's because they work harder. When it's a majority of caucasians accomplishing something the system is skewed and rigged to be unfair?


Exactly.
 
2012-10-28 11:18:53 AM  

jso2897: ThrobblefootSpectre: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Why even bring up one of the most blatant and outspoken racists of our time, on the most biased propaganda outlet in the U.S? It is counterproductive.

Yeah - I generally regard him as being beneath mention. He reminds me of Fred Phelps - a man who actually believes nothing at all, except that he, Al Sharpton, should continue to live without effort.
I wouldn't call him a racist - a racist actually holds a system of belief, however idiotic.
Sharpton is happy to manipulate people of all races and creeds to achieve his ends - which center around self-promotion.


Now, now, you shouldn't say that Rev. Al Sharpton wishes to live a wealthy lifestyle without effort. The man's entire existence is based upon his addiction to being a fringe celebrity, and he puts an enormous amount of effort into being the biggest racially charged attention whore he can possibly be. If life were a card game, he'd be walking laps around the table (not actually playing of course, that implies personal risk) waiting for somebody to even consider playing the race card so he can swoop in, make a ridiculous speech, and have money and praise thrown at him by people who actually believe the verbal diarrhea that spews from his lips.
 
2012-10-28 11:19:15 AM  

wellreadneck: fta: Several students said their parents did not shy away from corporal punishment as a means of motivating them.

Less carrot, more stick, huh?


Carrots are barely tolerated by children. If you really want to motivate, use a donut.
 
2012-10-28 11:19:45 AM  
Relcec
2012-10-28 11:07:38 AM
rohar: Ok I'll bite. Why are some schools in NYC held to one standard while the rest are held to a different one? The solution isn't affirmative action, the solution is to bring the low standard schools up to the "excellent" standard.

the actual solution would be to somehow increase the proportion of two parent families that actually give a shiat about the kids they are banging out relative two the number of single parent or uncaring parents that are pumping out kids.
that could create entire communities that give a f*ck. the problem is cultural values, and the solution won't be found in increasing expenditure or raising standards.


We had those values. We called them Christian values. But America has spent the last 50 years destroying Christrian values and look what has happened.
 
2012-10-28 11:21:17 AM  

Mr. Right: My question is not why some ethnicities are more successful. My question is why is a school system able to make some schools elite and offer superior education not be able to bring all of their schools up to that level?


Because not every student is, or will ever be capable, of performing at top levels
 
2012-10-28 11:24:26 AM  

bifford: They can't afford tutoring for their kids? What, do they think Asian immigrants are all filthy rich? Do they think the owner of Ting's Laundromat wears a Rolex?


What? You don't know about the Laundromat Trust? Those plutocrats use thousand dollar bills to light their cigars.
 
2012-10-28 11:28:38 AM  

jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.


Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.
 
2012-10-28 11:30:15 AM  
I'll say something that few will admit, let alone support - at least those who work in education.

Low performing public schools aren't low performing because of teachers. Certainly, there are some lazy and uncaring ones, but the major reason why low performing public schools exist is because of the students.

Every student can learn - true. But when half of each year's academic time and energy is taken up convincing, cajoling, redirecting, and chasing those kids into participating positively, the education of all the other kids suffers horribly.

This is what needs to happen, if we want things to improve significantly (and not depend on martyred teachers who essentially sacrifice their own lives for no reward other than knowing they made a difference): kick underperforming kids out.

I'll say it again: kick underperforming kids out. I don't mean make them drop out, but establish trade schools and apprenticeship programs where these kids will fit in. Kids most often act up when they feel like things are too far above their head. Can't do any of the work, so might as well act up.

It doesn't have to be permanent. Let them study and test their way back into academic programs if they want to. In the same way, if they continue to act up and underperform in those alternative schools, send them to work details - sweeping floors, collecting trash. And if they act up in those, send them home. Doesn't matter if they are 18 or 8. But allow them to test back in, and provide free programs to help with that. Programs that not only provide tutoring, but breakfast and lunch and dinner.
 
2012-10-28 11:30:37 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: bifford: They can't afford tutoring for their kids? What, do they think Asian immigrants are all filthy rich? Do they think the owner of Ting's Laundromat wears a Rolex?

What? You don't know about the Laundromat Trust? Those plutocrats use thousand dollar bills to light their cigars.


And THERE's the Ancient Chinese Secrettm
 
2012-10-28 11:30:37 AM  
study harder, darkies.
 
2012-10-28 11:32:53 AM  

jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.


If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.
 
2012-10-28 11:33:58 AM  

KobaSauce: theflatline: from my blood: Wonder what happens when a black, white and asian move to Mexico and has to learn Spanish....

Do they provide special education for immigrants?
Do they give special education to for-ners?

Asians speaking Spanish is perhaps one of the funniest yet nails on a chalkboard sounds at the same time.

Yes, because all Asians have accents, right?


Ones off the boat do.Not everyone is Alberto Fujimori. And even if you are born stateside and tend to live in all asian hood, you tend to have a bit of an accent.

Latinos are guilty of this too. You can tell an West Coast US born latino from a Texas US born Latino quite easily, as you can tell a South Florida latino from a New York latino, all in the accent.

/call me the Professor Henry Higgins of Spictography. I can teach a Puerto Rican how to sound Mexican.
 
2012-10-28 11:34:09 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: I'll just leave this here.


She's addicted to workahol!
 
2012-10-28 11:34:25 AM  

duenor: I'll say something that few will admit, let alone support - at least those who work in education.

Low performing public schools aren't low performing because of teachers. Certainly, there are some lazy and uncaring ones, but the major reason why low performing public schools exist is because of the students.

Every student can learn - true. But when half of each year's academic time and energy is taken up convincing, cajoling, redirecting, and chasing those kids into participating positively, the education of all the other kids suffers horribly.

This is what needs to happen, if we want things to improve significantly (and not depend on martyred teachers who essentially sacrifice their own lives for no reward other than knowing they made a difference): kick underperforming kids out.

I'll say it again: kick underperforming kids out. I don't mean make them drop out, but establish trade schools and apprenticeship programs where these kids will fit in. Kids most often act up when they feel like things are too far above their head. Can't do any of the work, so might as well act up.

It doesn't have to be permanent. Let them study and test their way back into academic programs if they want to. In the same way, if they continue to act up and underperform in those alternative schools, send them to work details - sweeping floors, collecting trash. And if they act up in those, send them home. Doesn't matter if they are 18 or 8. But allow them to test back in, and provide free programs to help with that. Programs that not only provide tutoring, but breakfast and lunch and dinner.


Never. Gonna. Happen.

What exactly do you think's gonna happen when you tell little Braeden or LaShawn's parent that he's not "good enough" for school?
 
2012-10-28 11:34:32 AM  
I bet $100 that most of those "white" kids are from Eastern Europe and was not born here
/The Polish(barely speaking English) kids here use to whip our ass good in math
 
2012-10-28 11:35:58 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.


LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.


About the level of responses I expected.
Yawn.
 
2012-10-28 11:36:49 AM  

LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.


Did your mother punch you in the head repeatedly as an infant, or were you born this astoundingly stupid?
 
2012-10-28 11:38:07 AM  

jso2897: Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.

LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.

About the level of responses I expected.
Yawn.


If race does not exist then why do scientists say it do?
 
2012-10-28 11:39:17 AM  
Fish in a barrel
jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.


It's amazing how racism comes full circle. Scientifically speaking you are correct, competition through evolution had created races that are different. Competition also creates superior products. Caucasians have allowed African and south American cultures to trick them into handicapping itself into being less competitive than the others.
 
2012-10-28 11:46:35 AM  

duenor: I'll say it again: kick underperforming kids out. I don't mean make them drop out, but establish trade schools and apprenticeship programs where these kids will fit in. Kids most often act up when they feel like things are too far above their head. Can't do any of the work, so might as well act up.

It doesn't have to be permanent. Let them study and test their way back into academic programs if they want to. In the same way, if they continue to act up and underperform in those alternative schools, send them to work details - sweeping floors, collecting trash. And if they act up in those, send them home. Doesn't matter if they are 18 or 8. But allow them to test back in, and provide free programs to help with that. Programs that not only provide tutoring, but breakfast and lunch and dinner.



You have my vote of approval. Though I've said the same thing before, minus the part about work details which I think may be an unnecessary or illegal stage. Just go from secondary trade school to home.
 
2012-10-28 11:46:53 AM  

david_gaithersburg: On the bright side Blacks and Hispanics excel at getting into prison. Everyone is good at something.


There are no whites in prison?

/STFU you racist fark
 
2012-10-28 11:48:46 AM  
They cited their parents' observance of ancient belief systems like Confucianism, a set of moral principles that emphasizes scholarship and reverence for elders, as well as their rejection of child-rearing philosophies more common in the United States that emphasize confidence and general well-being.

While I mock the snowflake-coddling attitude that self-esteem is the only important trait, there has to be a happy medium between that and calling the kid worthless because he got a B in one subject. I dated a Canadian-born Chinese girl whose immigrant parents told her she was no good every day of her life. Her older brother, who got into the most elite school in town and came home with excellent marks, was considered merely average. Now she's a neurotic wreck and the brother's in a mental hospital. I'm so glad I didn't hitch myself to that trainwreck of a family (they took every negative Asian child-rearing stereotype and cranked it up to 11, then added a heaping dollop of profound disfunctionality).

/Even if she'd gotten into Harvard on a full scholarship, they'd have still considered her worthless 'cause she's a girl
//I really hope they're not typical
 
2012-10-28 11:48:54 AM  

Gdalescrboz: Fish in a barrel
jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.

It's amazing how racism comes full circle. Scientifically speaking you are correct, competition through evolution had created races that are different. Competition also creates superior products. Caucasians have allowed African and south American cultures to trick them into handicapping itself into being less competitive than the others.


You mean Caucasians have allowed themselves into becoming like South American and African cultures.
 
2012-10-28 11:48:57 AM  

duenor: I'll say something that few will admit, let alone support - at least those who work in education.

Low performing public schools aren't low performing because of teachers. Certainly, there are some lazy and uncaring ones, but the major reason why low performing public schools exist is because of the students.

Every student can learn - true. But when half of each year's academic time and energy is taken up convincing, cajoling, redirecting, and chasing those kids into participating positively, the education of all the other kids suffers horribly.

This is what needs to happen, if we want things to improve significantly (and not depend on martyred teachers who essentially sacrifice their own lives for no reward other than knowing they made a difference): kick underperforming kids out.

I'll say it again: kick underperforming kids out. I don't mean make them drop out, but establish trade schools and apprenticeship programs where these kids will fit in. Kids most often act up when they feel like things are too far above their head. Can't do any of the work, so might as well act up.

It doesn't have to be permanent. Let them study and test their way back into academic programs if they want to. In the same way, if they continue to act up and underperform in those alternative schools, send them to work details - sweeping floors, collecting trash. And if they act up in those, send them home. Doesn't matter if they are 18 or 8. But allow them to test back in, and provide free programs to help with that. Programs that not only provide tutoring, but breakfast and lunch and dinner.


Season IV of The Wire
 
2012-10-28 11:49:05 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: WTF. It thought all these exams were cultural bias in favor of the white man who designed the test. How are these Asians slipping through our net of lies and trickery ?

For decades Black leaders and others told us there were inherent racist elements in testing. How western -Caucasian people approach problems . Africans were more verbal with a rich history of oral history....and bunch of other pseudo intellectual bullshiate passed around the table with babble head nodding whites agreeing.

And in the background the Asians were winning spelling bee's with parents who barley spoke English.
MIT became known as Made In Taiwan....on and on while this myth of flawed testing was pass on to the public.

White people love Asians. Hell look at that the intermarriage rates. Much less positive cultural images.
You farkers need to get pass the "white " in all the root cause of problems.

Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood....


I gotta say, most Korean small business people I've met are assholes. Went into a small market owned by a Korean back in hot July with my own cup to get some ice. Guy tried to charge me 25 cents for a cup of ice, then got all biatchy in Korean when I told him where to stick his farking ice. Remember that scene in "Falling Down" in the Korean grocery? Link Yeah, assholes like that. Sort of sympathize with people in the 'hood.

When I was in Vietnam I spent some time around ROK units. Biggest racists I ever met. Tolerated us whites; thought the Viets were scum-monkeys. Collected ears in combat. Assholes. (They also scared the crap out of me.)
 
2012-10-28 11:53:05 AM  

bifford: They can't afford tutoring for their kids? What, do they think Asian immigrants are all filthy rich? Do they think the owner of Ting's Laundromat wears a Rolex?


I think this sums it all up:

FTA:The city began offering a free test-prep program several years ago for black and Hispanic students, but after a legal challenge, other ethnic groups were granted the same access to the course. Today, 43 percent of the students in the program are Asian
 
2012-10-28 11:53:14 AM  

Alleyoop: Eugenics has nothing to do with someone who refuses to improve themselves, Strawman.


Of course it doesn't. It has absolutely nothing to do with their attitude; it has everything to do with yours. Saying "fark 'em" in a public forum doesn't make these people vanish, unless you personally intend to see that they're "vanished". You'll still have to deal with them, one way or another. There is no Galt's Gulch.

The problem is that your opinion has no viable endgame. You can't completely insulate yourself from these people, and you have no intention of changing the situation. Some people have tried to "cleanse" them, with various definitions of "them", but this is a solution society generally finds distasteful, with good reason. So all you're really doing is being a smartass.
 
2012-10-28 11:56:26 AM  

ArkAngel: Mr. Right: My question is not why some ethnicities are more successful. My question is why is a school system able to make some schools elite and offer superior education not be able to bring all of their schools up to that level?

Because not every student is, or will ever be capable, of performing at top levels


So you're saying that schools have differing levels of instruction based on students' abilities? Doesn't sound very egalitarian. Isn't that a rehash of "separate but equal?" but based on elitism rather than racism and no more equal?

I realize that all of the people I've ever known whose kids were going to school in large cities that have these special schools wouldn't make a significant statistical sample. However, no parent I've ever talked to has understood that these are schools for more advanced students. Rather, their understanding is that these schools are better than the normal public schools and that any kid who does well on the test and gets in will get a much better education than he would in the regular, neighborhood public school. It is their impression that it is the education in the school that is different, not the students. The article tends to bear that out - the Asians are not inherently smarter, and thus more eligible; they work harder to test well to make themselves eligible.

So why don't these school districts make the superior schools the norm and set the same expectations for all students that the elite schools do and have remedial education facilities for that small percentage who truly can't keep up? Note in the article that it is the parents' expectations that are a primary driving force for the students; not IQ, socioeconomic status, race, or religion.. Be careful what you ask for; you might get it!

In the business world, Eli Goldratt posited "Show me how an employee is measured, I will tell you how he performs." The corollary to that is "Measure them irrationally and they will perform irrationally." Is there any doubt that our children respond to measurements any differently? And meeting parental expectations is a performance measure for children.
 
2012-10-28 11:57:21 AM  

jso2897: Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.

LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.

About the level of responses I expected.
Yawn.


Educate us then. If race doesn't exist, then how can it be seen and measured?
 
2012-10-28 11:59:22 AM  

theflatline: White men want a little china doll who well be quiet, tend the house, and not balloon into a loud mouthed elepephant with a tattoo on her calf and half his paycheck while she does nothing to contribute.


Guess how I can tell that you've never been married to one of those "quiet China dolls"?

/Quiet???
//But still hot!
 
2012-10-28 12:04:03 PM  

pvrhye: My students typically don't get home from studying til around 10 or 11 pm. They don't necessarily use that time 100% efficiently, but they undeniably work way harder than some American kid who thinks anyone in the world with give a damn about whether he was good at sports or not when he graduates.


So if we get our students to study until 11pm then they'll study until 1am. If we start sending our kids to school for a half day on Sat. they'll go to full day on Sat.

Starting the rat race too young.
 
2012-10-28 12:05:25 PM  
By other ethnic groups, you mean the NAACP, right
 
2012-10-28 12:07:50 PM  

cman: jso2897: Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.

LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.

About the level of responses I expected.
Yawn.

If race does not exist then why do scientists say it do?


They don't.

Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Fish in a Barrel: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

Of course race exists. We humans are not immune to evolution. There are differences between populations that have been geographically separated for thousands of years. That's basic biology, and to pretend otherwise is to subvert science for politics. If that's your "21st century science," then I don't want it. I'll stick to the old evidence based one.

LemSkroob: jso2897: Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.

If races arent more than just skin color, how are sicentists able to look at something like a bone a blood sample and tell the race of the person, if after all, we are "all the same on the inside"

Each race is in fact a different breed of animal. Very closely related yes, but different.

About the level of responses I expected.
Yawn.

Educate us then. If race doesn't exist, then how can it be seen and measured?


It can't.
 
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