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(The New York Times)   Asians are 14% of the city's students but win 60% of the seats to elite high schools in a competitive exam. Do other ethnic groups A) Study harder, B) Learn from Asian culture, or C) File a lawsuit?   (nytimes.com) divider line 323
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2012-10-28 08:38:59 AM

shotglasss: We have to try harder to get these Asian kids addicted to the things that make American kids so great, like Xbox games, rap music, Honey Boo Boo, McDonalds extra value extra large sacks of yummyness, etc.


Korea's StarCraft competition was bigger than most football games in the US....

And they don't play around with bad software. Blizzard's Seoul offices were raided by Korean authorities this week because of complaints to the country's Fair Trade Commission that the company would not issue refunds to players unhappy with the game

While Americans whine and cry "the game is no good I lost my money" and the criminal officials release rapists back into the community, while chasing some 13yo who downloaded a Spiderman torrent. Throw his grandma in PRISON!

OUR LEGAL SYSTEM IS SHIAT. LAWYERS ARE GARBAGE! Public "officials" founder around lying and cheating and we get nowhere.

Except to hear another racist thread.
 
2012-10-28 08:40:37 AM

daveUSMC: is it taboo to suggest that different cultures have different values?


I see that as an obvious factual observation. But yes, some obvious factual observations are taboo.
 
2012-10-28 08:41:36 AM

dittybopper: daveUSMC: is it taboo to suggest that different cultures have different values?

Yes, it is. It's also taboo to suggest that parents pass their cultural values down to their children, who pass them along to their children, etc.


Exactly.

"fark working in pops laundry mat all my life, I am get to cracking these books and do something to help my family rise above"

"fark selling this weed, I am going to sling some powder and gets mines, maybe throw my auntie some endz for doing my laundry"

"fark cutting grass all my life, I am gonna send cash home to moms to buy a little house and start a little busines back in the homeland"
 
2012-10-28 08:46:13 AM

Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?




Want to know how I know you weren't intelligent enough to read the article?


///Popcorn anyone?
 
2012-10-28 08:47:01 AM

from my blood: shotglasss: We have to try harder to get these Asian kids addicted to the things that make American kids so great, like Xbox games, rap music, Honey Boo Boo, McDonalds extra value extra large sacks of yummyness, etc.

Korea's StarCraft competition was bigger than most football games in the US....

And they don't play around with bad software. Blizzard's Seoul offices were raided by Korean authorities this week because of complaints to the country's Fair Trade Commission that the company would not issue refunds to players unhappy with the game

While Americans whine and cry "the game is no good I lost my money" and the criminal officials release rapists back into the community, while chasing some 13yo who downloaded a Spiderman torrent. Throw his grandma in PRISON!

OUR LEGAL SYSTEM IS SHIAT. LAWYERS ARE GARBAGE! Public "officials" founder around lying and cheating and we get nowhere.

Except to hear another racist thread.


Step away from the coffee pot . Now!
 
2012-10-28 08:47:44 AM
I wonder what the numbers are for single parents' kids vs. two parent households.

Or maybe a family income comparison, I mean the article says the kid was tutored for $200/month.

Then, they should run a urinalysis test on all the test takers.
 
2012-10-28 08:47:46 AM
I'll just leave this here.
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2012-10-28 08:48:28 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's amazing that our crappy system produces some pretty smart asian kids.


Except it isn't . The student in this article spent two out of 8 years in an American school and got into the best school in the country.

This tells me that two years of total dedication (along with what was probably a solid nutritionally and emotionally and economically stable youth) is enough.

In this case, the obstacles that many face in immigration (cultural isolation and linguistic limitations) may be boons, as they keep the child focused and away from distracting influences.
 
2012-10-28 08:48:55 AM
Oh Noes damn immigrants, it's like someone put out a sign asking for the tired, poor, etc...
 
2012-10-28 08:51:06 AM
WTF. It thought all these exams were cultural bias in favor of the white man who designed the test. How are these Asians slipping through our net of lies and trickery ?

For decades Black leaders and others told us there were inherent racist elements in testing. How western -Caucasian people approach problems . Africans were more verbal with a rich history of oral history....and bunch of other pseudo intellectual bullshiate passed around the table with babble head nodding whites agreeing.

And in the background the Asians were winning spelling bee's with parents who barley spoke English.
MIT became known as Made In Taiwan....on and on while this myth of flawed testing was pass on to the public.

White people love Asians. Hell look at that the intermarriage rates. Much less positive cultural images.
You farkers need to get pass the "white " in all the root cause of problems.

Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Maybe you can talk the Asian immigrants to break up their families and have the kids raised by single mothers and absent fathers. Then make sure to teach them that success is selling out their own and acting white. Then we can get those test scores down

Or we can just scream white racism and adjust the numbers to guaranteeing an quota in schools and business.

//sick of Travis Smiley types and their stupid excuses for destructive behavior.
 
2012-10-28 08:56:09 AM

rubi_con_man: IamKaiserSoze!!!: It's amazing that our crappy system produces some pretty smart asian kids.

Except it isn't . The student in this article spent two out of 8 years in an American school and got into the best school in the country.

This tells me that two years of total dedication (along with what was probably a solid nutritionally and emotionally and economically stable youth) is enough.

In this case, the obstacles that many face in immigration (cultural isolation and linguistic limitations) may be boons, as they keep the child focused and away from distracting influences.


Visit the campus of UC Berkley and tell me what you see.
 
2012-10-28 08:58:31 AM
fta: Several students said their parents did not shy away from corporal punishment as a means of motivating them.

Less carrot, more stick, huh?
 
2012-10-28 08:59:53 AM

God-is-a-Taco: We could also create our own by having good public schools, but that sounds like a bother.


Since these kids are all coming from public elementary and middle schools it sounds like they are getting a good public education. The only difference between these poor Asian immigrants kids and our homegrown black and hispanic ones is that they are taking advantage of their public education and working hard to succeed.
 
2012-10-28 09:00:13 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: WTF. It thought all these exams were cultural bias in favor of the white man who designed the test. How are these Asians slipping through our net of lies and trickery ?

For decades Black leaders and others told us there were inherent racist elements in testing. How western -Caucasian people approach problems . Africans were more verbal with a rich history of oral history....and bunch of other pseudo intellectual bullshiate passed around the table with babble head nodding whites agreeing.

And in the background the Asians were winning spelling bee's with parents who barley spoke English.
MIT became known as Made In Taiwan....on and on while this myth of flawed testing was pass on to the public.

White people love Asians. Hell look at that the intermarriage rates. Much less positive cultural images.
You farkers need to get pass the "white " in all the root cause of problems.

Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Maybe you can talk the Asian immigrants to break up their families and have the kids raised by single mothers and absent fathers. Then make sure to teach them that success is selling out their own and acting white. Then we can get those test scores down

Or we can just scream white racism and adjust the numbers to guaranteeing an quota in schools and business.

//sick of Travis Smiley types and their stupid excuses for destructive behavior.


White men marry asian women, you don't see a lot of white women marrying asian men.

White men want a little china doll who well be quiet, tend the house, and not balloon into a loud mouthed elepephant with a tattoo on her calf and half his paycheck while she does nothing to contribute.
 
2012-10-28 09:03:29 AM
FTA: Ting Shi said his first two years in the United States were wretched. He slept in a bunk bed in the same room with his grandparents and a cousin in Chinatown, while his parents lived on East 89th Street, near a laundromat where they endured 12-hour shifts. He saw them only on Sundays.

[...]

The afternoon his acceptance letter to Stuyvesant High School arrived in the mail, he and his parents gathered at the laundromat, the smell of detergent and the whirl of the washing machines filling the air. "Everyone was excited," Ting recalled.
Ting's father said he felt rejuvenated, and now dismissed the idea of returning: "I thought: the next generation will have a good future," he said.
That's the thing with Asians [Australia], and the wave of post-WWII Italian, Greek, and Yugoslav immigrants. The first generation of new Australians worked damned bloody hard and made huge sacrifices with the goal of setting up their children's futures.


A heck of a lot of immigrants from other ethnicities want to be PLAYAZ as soon as they get off the boat.

"Where's all da free money at?"
 
2012-10-28 09:05:37 AM
Asian mothers demand more of their children.
www.all4ed.org  
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2012-10-28 09:07:08 AM

Apologies for my previous abortion of a comment.

FTA: Ting Shi said his first two years in the United States were wretched. He slept in a bunk bed in the same room with his grandparents and a cousin in Chinatown, while his parents lived on East 89th Street, near a laundromat where they endured 12-hour shifts. He saw them only on Sundays.

[...]

The afternoon his acceptance letter to Stuyvesant High School arrived in the mail, he and his parents gathered at the laundromat, the smell of detergent and the whirl of the washing machines filling the air. "Everyone was excited," Ting recalled.

Ting's father said he felt rejuvenated, and now dismissed the idea of returning: "I thought: the next generation will have a good future," he said.


That's the thing with Asians [in Australia], and the wave of post-WWII Italian, Greek, and Yugoslav immigrants before them. The first generation of new Australians worked damned bloody hard.

A heck of a lot of immigrants from other ethnicities want to be PLAYAS as soon as they get off the boat.

"Where's all da free money at?"
 
2012-10-28 09:13:47 AM
the smell of detergent and the whirl of the washing machines filling the air

i was wondering what it would have smelled like in the laundromat, and if anything was whirling during this gathering. but now i'm a bit suspicious - did the reporter specifically question people who were at this gathering about the smells and whirling? was the reporter present and describing his own experience? the article doesn't say, and without a specific statement from at least one of the people present i'm inclined to believe that it probably smelled like chinese food.

please, newspapers, stop hiring people with creative writing degrees who failed at writing books.
 
2012-10-28 09:15:53 AM
On the bright side Blacks and Hispanics excel at getting into prison. Everyone is good at something.
 
xcv
2012-10-28 09:27:50 AM
Good timing for this lawsuit. NY's fire fighter test was ruled to be racist by a judge and he just ordered promotions (and several years retro pay at the salary of the higher rank) for black and hispanics that didn't score high enough on the written tests.
 
2012-10-28 09:32:21 AM
my son is married to an asain girl from hong kong. she is 24 and has a MBA. her little sister is 20 and in a chemistry PHD program.


/ son, like me is a dumbass
// but we mary good ( my wife has PHD)
///SLASHIES!
 
2012-10-28 09:33:33 AM

KrispyKritter: Link to "Please log in" page. WTF, subby?


Agreed.

Bad subby
 
2012-10-28 09:34:22 AM

blueknight: my son is married to an asain girl from hong kong. she is 24 and has a MBA. her little sister is 20 and in a chemistry PHD program.


/ son, like me is a dumbass
// but we mary good ( my wife has PHD)
///SLASHIES!


Is she a hottie? How about her younger sister?
 
2012-10-28 09:36:33 AM
All your school are belong to us.

When I went to one of these schools (was notified of acceptance via our principal), there were a lot of Jewish and Greek kids, a few Hispanics and Eric Holder.

Asians came later.
 
2012-10-28 09:38:29 AM
So am I free to assume that those who would file suit have never uttered the words, "America rewards hard work. You need to earn your way, not expect the government to hand you everything?"
 
2012-10-28 09:44:57 AM

theflatline: White men marry asian women, you don't see a lot of white women marrying asian men.

White men want a little china doll who well be quiet, tend the house, and not balloon into a loud mouthed elepephant with a tattoo on her calf and half his paycheck while she does nothing to contribute.


This is because, until menopause, Asian women stay hawt. Asian men, OTOH, have wee little peeners. No white girl is going to want that. Plus, with as fat as they get he'd have to tie a 2x4 to his ass to keep from getting sucked in.
 
2012-10-28 09:45:50 AM

edmo: So am I free to assume that those who would file suit have never uttered the words, "America rewards hard work. You need to earn your way, not expect the government to hand you everything?"


Well, if you believe that how can you vote for Obama?
 
2012-10-28 09:46:22 AM
I would suggest to the whiners filing the lawsuits that they would benefit their people by learning from example, but I would be called a racist again, so fark 'em, let them keep falling behind. Let some other fool help someone who won't help themselves.

BTW, this link to TFA seems to work: Link 
 
2012-10-28 09:47:16 AM
Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.
 
2012-10-28 09:47:45 AM
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2012-10-28 09:51:07 AM
Fark, 50 years behind on the science of standardized tests.
 
2012-10-28 09:54:49 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.


Why even bring up one of the most blatant and outspoken racists of our time, on the most biased propaganda outlet in the U.S? It is counterproductive.
 
2012-10-28 09:56:13 AM

jso2897: Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.


It probably takes about 2-3 generations for it to truly die off, but the problem* is that we can still get a lot of first generation people here. If the best, brightest, and/or most motivated are the ones that come here and leave their shiatty country, we can expect that they'll work hard and motivate their kids. When those kids grow up and succeed, they'll still have the grandparents around to help drive those ideals into their children. However, it's this group that will, after being fully-exposed to the entitlement mentality that permeates Americans, want "better" for their children. Those kids will have everything handed to them and end up being fully Americanized. They'll get degrees in psychology or other liberal arts - but fully expect to make as much as an engineer or chemist.
 
2012-10-28 09:57:24 AM

cman: Yeah, fark that.

Merit alone should be the deciding factor. These Asian kids may be smarter than us white folk, and for that they need to have their intelligence groomed for better things. Forcing white/black/hispanic into these rooms just because they are not as represented is idiotic for our future.


Yes! Merit alone should be the deciding factor. If an Asian kid is smarter than me, then he/she gets the job or whatever.
 
2012-10-28 09:58:58 AM

ronaprhys: jso2897: Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.

It probably takes about 2-3 generations for it to truly die off, but the problem* is that we can still get a lot of first generation people here. If the best, brightest, and/or most motivated are the ones that come here and leave their shiatty country, we can expect that they'll work hard and motivate their kids. When those kids grow up and succeed, they'll still have the grandparents around to help drive those ideals into their children. However, it's this group that will, after being fully-exposed to the entitlement mentality that permeates Americans, want "better" for their children. Those kids will have everything handed to them and end up being fully Americanized. They'll get degrees in psychology or other liberal arts - but fully expect to make as much as an engineer or chemist.


Exactly - the reason these kids are "smarter" than ours are cultural - and in three generations, they'll be as dumb and lazy as the rest of us.
Of course some people have a need to believe that the so-called "races" differ on some intrinsic level, but you aren't going to educate them, and i don't argue with them.
 
2012-10-28 10:00:44 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Why even bring up one of the most blatant and outspoken racists of our time, on the most biased propaganda outlet in the U.S? It is counterproductive.


Because there are enough idiots who take that bloated piece of shiat seriously that he needs to be mocked so much that anyone quoting him is completely discounted from the get-go.
 
2012-10-28 10:02:38 AM

jso2897: Exactly - the reason these kids are "smarter" than ours are cultural - and in three generations, they'll be as dumb and lazy as the rest of us.
Of course some people have a need to believe that the so-called "races" differ on some intrinsic level, but you aren't going to educate them, and i don't argue with them.


Absolutely true - when we only see the best, brightest, or most motivated then we're going to get a self-fulfilling prophecy. But never we should never let facts get in the way of something like this. If we did that, our entire entitlement system would have to be shiat-canned.
 
2012-10-28 10:05:53 AM

jso2897: ronaprhys: jso2897: Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.

It probably takes about 2-3 generations for it to truly die off, but the problem* is that we can still get a lot of first generation people here. If the best, brightest, and/or most motivated are the ones that come here and leave their shiatty country, we can expect that they'll work hard and motivate their kids. When those kids grow up and succeed, they'll still have the grandparents around to help drive those ideals into their children. However, it's this group that will, after being fully-exposed to the entitlement mentality that permeates Americans, want "better" for their children. Those kids will have everything handed to them and end up being fully Americanized. They'll get degrees in psychology or other liberal arts - but fully expect to make as much as an engineer or chemist.

Exactly - the reason these kids are "smarter" than ours are cultural - and in three generations, they'll be as dumb and lazy as the rest of us.
Of course some people have a need to believe that the so-called "races" differ on some intrinsic level, but you aren't going to educate them, and i don't argue with them.


Oh, races are the same? Are males and females the same, too? I wish to subscribe to your Californian newsletter.
 
2012-10-28 10:05:54 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Unlike Al Sharpton (MSNBC host) who many time called them "interlopers" and countless attacks on Korean grocery stores in the hood.

Why even bring up one of the most blatant and outspoken racists of our time, on the most biased propaganda outlet in the U.S? It is counterproductive.


Yeah - I generally regard him as being beneath mention. He reminds me of Fred Phelps - a man who actually believes nothing at all, except that he, Al Sharpton, should continue to live without effort.
I wouldn't call him a racist - a racist actually holds a system of belief, however idiotic.
Sharpton is happy to manipulate people of all races and creeds to achieve his ends - which center around self-promotion.
 
2012-10-28 10:06:29 AM

from my blood: "blacks and Hispanics" are not leading anything.

It's their lawyers.


Coopers by the democrat party. The party if whining and mooching.
 
2012-10-28 10:06:41 AM

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Solly, I aporigize if I upset you.
 
2012-10-28 10:07:19 AM

bmihura: jso2897: ronaprhys: jso2897: Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.

It probably takes about 2-3 generations for it to truly die off, but the problem* is that we can still get a lot of first generation people here. If the best, brightest, and/or most motivated are the ones that come here and leave their shiatty country, we can expect that they'll work hard and motivate their kids. When those kids grow up and succeed, they'll still have the grandparents around to help drive those ideals into their children. However, it's this group that will, after being fully-exposed to the entitlement mentality that permeates Americans, want "better" for their children. Those kids will have everything handed to them and end up being fully Americanized. They'll get degrees in psychology or other liberal arts - but fully expect to make as much as an engineer or chemist.

Exactly - the reason these kids are "smarter" than ours are cultural - and in three generations, they'll be as dumb and lazy as the rest of us.
Of course some people have a need to believe that the so-called "races" differ on some intrinsic level, but you aren't going to educate them, and i don't argue with them.

Oh, races are the same? Are males and females the same, too? I wish to subscribe to your Californian newsletter.


I'll take strawmen for $200, Alex.
 
2012-10-28 10:08:03 AM
Hmm. Perhaps it is time to close our borders. Let these immigrants fix their own countries instead of fleeing.
Also love TFAs spin on what has been previously called outright racism in academia. Just wow. It is like sometimes there is this massive gorilla in the room but no one wants to talk about it... for centuries.
 
2012-10-28 10:09:25 AM

bmihura: jso2897: ronaprhys: jso2897: Chillax, everybody - the "effect" will be gone in one generation. The mediocrity of American culture conquers all.

It probably takes about 2-3 generations for it to truly die off, but the problem* is that we can still get a lot of first generation people here. If the best, brightest, and/or most motivated are the ones that come here and leave their shiatty country, we can expect that they'll work hard and motivate their kids. When those kids grow up and succeed, they'll still have the grandparents around to help drive those ideals into their children. However, it's this group that will, after being fully-exposed to the entitlement mentality that permeates Americans, want "better" for their children. Those kids will have everything handed to them and end up being fully Americanized. They'll get degrees in psychology or other liberal arts - but fully expect to make as much as an engineer or chemist.

Exactly - the reason these kids are "smarter" than ours are cultural - and in three generations, they'll be as dumb and lazy as the rest of us.
Of course some people have a need to believe that the so-called "races" differ on some intrinsic level, but you aren't going to educate them, and i don't argue with them.

Oh, races are the same? Are males and females the same, too? I wish to subscribe to your Californian newsletter.


Members of the species actually belong to two separate genders. They do not, in fact, belong to separate, taxonomically distinct "races". Put simply - gender exists - race doesn't.
Science, biatches. The 21st century kind.
 
2012-10-28 10:11:31 AM

AMonkey'sUncle: All your school are belong to us.

When I went to one of these schools (was notified of acceptance via our principal), there were a lot of Jewish and Greek kids, a few Hispanics and Eric Holder.

Asians came later.


Pretty much this. 60+ years ago all the fuss was about Jews, who were the immigrants of the day whose culture encouraged studying. Now that immigrant demographics have shifted, it's the Asians. Same deal, only this time flat-out quotas aren't encouraged.

/Welcome to America, folks. Hope you stick around and help make us great.
 
2012-10-28 10:12:12 AM

Macular Degenerate: Farking NYTimes and their stupid login/pay wall. Ain't never gonna happen, nosirree


Screw NYTimes. There should be some rule against posting such nonsense.
 
2012-10-28 10:14:58 AM
My question is not why some ethnicities are more successful. My question is why is a school system able to make some schools elite and offer superior education not be able to bring all of their schools up to that level?
 
2012-10-28 10:17:04 AM

Mr. Right: My question is not why some ethnicities are more successful. My question is why is a school system able to make some schools elite and offer superior education not be able to bring all of their schools up to that level?


because there arent enough elite students?
 
2012-10-28 10:17:57 AM
Too bad testing doesn't do anything but find the people who can memorize or test well. But who needs ingenuity?
 
2012-10-28 10:18:36 AM

edmo: So am I free to assume that those who would file suit have never uttered the words, "America rewards hard work. You need to earn your way, not expect the government to hand you everything?"


Where exactly does your false choice fallacy leave people who benefited from hard work AND social welfare?

Alleyoop: let them keep falling behind. Let some other fool help someone who won't help themselves.


This attitude doesn't change the situation unless you seriously intend to implement a eugenics program. Otherwise they're still your problem.
 
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