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(The New York Times)   Asians are 14% of the city's students but win 60% of the seats to elite high schools in a competitive exam. Do other ethnic groups A) Study harder, B) Learn from Asian culture, or C) File a lawsuit?   (nytimes.com) divider line 323
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2012-10-27 08:59:09 PM
D) Beat up all the Asian kids.
 
2012-10-27 09:26:05 PM
Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?
 
2012-10-27 10:22:20 PM

Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?


I don't think white people are leading the charge on this one.

There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant." While my parents (immigrant Sicilian father) didn't push me to take this test, they still pushed me hard to achieve academically. I got into the public Queens equivalent, and went to what is likely the best Catholic high school in the county (possibly the city). My friends, also children of immigrants, were pushed in much the same way. Race/ethnicity wasn't the driver... immigrant parents was.
 
2012-10-28 07:12:14 AM
Yeah, fark that.

Merit alone should be the deciding factor. These Asian kids may be smarter than us white folk, and for that they need to have their intelligence groomed for better things. Forcing white/black/hispanic into these rooms just because they are not as represented is idiotic for our future.
 
2012-10-28 07:40:12 AM
Reverse racism isn't racism.
 
2012-10-28 07:43:30 AM

Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?


Yeah, +10 points for white kids cuz WWII.
 
2012-10-28 07:45:42 AM
OK, but how did they do on their drivers exam, huh?

That's what I want to know
 
2012-10-28 07:45:44 AM
Link to "Please log in" page. WTF, subby?
 
2012-10-28 07:46:04 AM
Please Log In
 
2012-10-28 07:50:44 AM
Oh, after a few refreshed I got it to load.

RodneyToady:
There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant."


Yeah, the Brain Gain is a pretty sweet deal for the most part.
If even 1% of Chinese people are smart, there's 14 million to choose from.

We could also create our own by having good public schools, but that sounds like a bother.
 
2012-10-28 07:51:11 AM

BarkingUnicorn: D) Beat up all the Asian kids.


That's a nice thought, but you'd get Kung Fu'd to death real quick.
 
2012-10-28 07:51:23 AM
This is the "American Dream" immigrants speak of. You move to this country for the opportunity to achieve success not attainable in your home country. It's not a guarantee. You still have to put forth some effort to achieve your dreams.
 
2012-10-28 07:53:22 AM

cman: Yeah, fark that.

Merit alone should be the deciding factor. These Asian kids may be smarter than us white folk, and for that they need to have their intelligence groomed for better things. Forcing white/black/hispanic into these rooms just because they are not as represented is idiotic for our future.


I see no harm in this as long as the other kids go to ya know maybe separate but maybe better or heck at least equal schools.
 
2012-10-28 07:54:47 AM
sorry if that didn't make sense i was like slipping as i typed it
 
2012-10-28 07:55:49 AM
Acceptance letter to a high school?? No such thing. You just go!
By the way, anyone know why they always wanna run around barefoot?
Them to me: Take off shoes befoe cumma in house/
Me to them: Fark no!
 
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2012-10-28 07:57:26 AM

RodneyToady: Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?

I don't think white people are leading the charge on this one.


of course not, they would rather get the benefits of being a majority.
 
2012-10-28 07:59:17 AM
The NAACP filed suit and Bloomberg told them that there was no need, because the tests were not designed with ethnicity in mind, but to ferret out the best and the brightness. Bloomberg smackdown in hymietown!
 
2012-10-28 07:59:47 AM
"blacks and Hispanics" are not leading anything.

It's their lawyers.
 
2012-10-28 08:00:59 AM

crab66:


While asian kids study the white kids spend their time making image macros and posting to reddit.
 
2012-10-28 08:02:28 AM

from my blood: "blacks and Hispanics" are not leading anything.

It's their lawyers.


And by "their lawyers" I mean asshats who found them and offered to represent them.


Watch as the American legal system spirals itself down to a hole in the round.
 
2012-10-28 08:02:54 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Oh, after a few refreshed I got it to load.

RodneyToady:
There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant."

Yeah, the Brain Gain is a pretty sweet deal for the most part.
If even 1% of Chinese people are smart, there's 14 million to choose from.

We could also create our own by having good public schools, but that sounds like a bother.


Actually that is a very good point, especially if pure talent plays more of a role than good schools.

If you had a choice of personally being in charge of reforming the school system or instead simply allowing smart people to come to the USA, I think the answer as to which one would be far easier to accomplish would be obvious.

Note though, that these talented people are excelling in our school system, so maybe its not such a bad system after all. The cream will always rise to the top.
 
2012-10-28 08:05:11 AM

from my blood: "blacks and Hispanics" are not leading anything.

It's their lawyers.


Blacks usually call in the hispanics so they can say "look we are not the only people of color complaining." while the truth be told hispanics generally aren't attention whores in this manner, only in their dress, loud music, and modification of their cars.
 
2012-10-28 08:07:09 AM
my browser hates that link
 
2012-10-28 08:09:12 AM
seemslegit.com
 
2012-10-28 08:10:56 AM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, but how did they do on their drivers exam, huh?

That's what I want to know

Comment+Cofee+Nose+Keyboard= +1 Internet for you!
 
2012-10-28 08:11:06 AM

theflatline: from my blood: "blacks and Hispanics" are not leading anything.

It's their lawyers.

Blacks usually call in the hispanics so they can say "look we are not the only people of color complaining." while the truth be told hispanics generally aren't attention whores in this manner, only in their dress, loud music, and modification of their cars.



lol.

But again. It's the lawyers ( and political advisers) who give voice to the 'black' opinion. There are better words to describe this group of people.
 
2012-10-28 08:11:52 AM
of course they have more asians, because just like their food, they are less filling, so you you gotta double and triple up.
 
2012-10-28 08:12:14 AM

martid4: [seemslegit.com image 750x600]


southpawbeagle.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-28 08:14:47 AM
Let those who perform well academically get the competitive academic positions. Ugh. Why do racists always have to make everything in the universe about race?
 
2012-10-28 08:15:26 AM
They can't afford tutoring for their kids? What, do they think Asian immigrants are all filthy rich? Do they think the owner of Ting's Laundromat wears a Rolex?
 
2012-10-28 08:15:36 AM

RodneyToady: Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?

I don't think white people are leading the charge on this one.

There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant." While my parents (immigrant Sicilian father) didn't push me to take this test, they still pushed me hard to achieve academically. I got into the public Queens equivalent, and went to what is likely the best Catholic high school in the county (possibly the city). My friends, also children of immigrants, were pushed in much the same way. Race/ethnicity wasn't the driver... immigrant parents was.


Its more liberal entitlements.
 
2012-10-28 08:15:54 AM

Chariset: Wait: so white people want... affirmative action?


Oops, you might want to read the article first.
 
2012-10-28 08:16:18 AM
Farking NYTimes and their stupid login/pay wall. Ain't never gonna happen, nosirree
 
2012-10-28 08:17:08 AM
I teach at a private high school in Korea. My students typically don't get home from studying til around 10 or 11 pm. They don't necessarily use that time 100% efficiently, but they undeniably work way harder than some American kid who thinks anyone in the world with give a damn about whether he was good at sports or not when he graduates.
 
2012-10-28 08:17:49 AM
Maybe blacks should learn to google. Google asian lifestyle and why asians advance.

And watch more movies. Ann Rand: Atlas Shrugged (in theaters now!)

And PLEASE don't say "see we need mo govmint!" Because that is exactly the opposite what u suppoz to lurnd!
 
2012-10-28 08:19:42 AM
We have to try harder to get these Asian kids addicted to the things that make American kids so great, like Xbox games, rap music, Honey Boo Boo, McDonalds extra value extra large sacks of yummyness, etc.
 
2012-10-28 08:20:23 AM
Let me break it down for yall.

What would you choose as a more pleasant past time. I will let you fill in the ethnic blanks.

Sitting on the stoop burning a blunt and looking at phat azzes or studying?

Sitting in your card burning a joint looking at chicas con culazos. or studying?

Working in mom and pops 110 degree laundry/kitchen looking at girls with no asses or reading a book in a quiet air conditioned library?

It is hardly any wonder why asian kids rise to the top. I blame it on lack of good weed and flat asses.
 
2012-10-28 08:21:01 AM
Wonder what happens when a black, white and asian move to Mexico and has to learn Spanish....

Do they provide special education for immigrants?
Do they give special education to for-ners?
 
2012-10-28 08:24:12 AM
Login?

Can someone post the article here?
 
2012-10-28 08:24:15 AM

kendelrio: IamKaiserSoze!!!: OK, but how did they do on their drivers exam, huh?

That's what I want to know
Comment+Cofee+Nose+Keyboard= +1 Internet for you!


And the fact I misspelled "coffee" is just.... awesome....
**facepalm**
/preview is my FRIEND
 
2012-10-28 08:27:56 AM

pvrhye: I teach at a private high school in Korea. My students typically don't get home from studying til around 10 or 11 pm. They don't necessarily use that time 100% efficiently, but they undeniably work way harder than some American kid who thinks anyone in the world with give a damn about whether he was good at sports or not when he graduates.


Yeah, I teach Taiwanese students English after their regular school. My last class ends at 8:00 pm. They're not smarter, more focused, more driven, or more anything really than American kids, other than they work harder. And 100% of that is because their parents set high expectations.
 
2012-10-28 08:29:27 AM

from my blood: Wonder what happens when a black, white and asian move to Mexico and has to learn Spanish....

Do they provide special education for immigrants?
Do they give special education to for-ners?


Asians speaking Spanish is perhaps one of the funniest yet nails on a chalkboard sounds at the same time.
 
2012-10-28 08:32:26 AM

RodneyToady: There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant." While my parents (immigrant Sicilian father) didn't push me to take this test, they still pushed me hard to achieve academically. I got into the public Queens equivalent, and went to what is likely the best Catholic high school in the county (possibly the city). My friends, also children of immigrants, were pushed in much the same way. Race/ethnicity wasn't the driver... immigrant parents was.


Yep, that's the issue.

... and I'd be pissed off as well especially if after spending grades k-6 in the NYPS, Some immigrants brought their kids over and crammed him for two years and then he landed in the best school in NYC.

... basically Ting Shi's father decided he could stay because his son got to cut in line.

... and a lot of this is also about class.While we think of 'immigrants' as being poor, this isn't necessarily the case. Owning a business as a immigrant doesn't mean that the boy's parents were working for the previous owner and earned it. It means that they took a ball of money that they made (or borrowed from family and friends) and bought the business. They also were able to discharge their son's care to their parents. This is a total commitment to the success of the child. I suspect this may be a cultural value, but it's also certainly indicative of the attitude of middle-class people.

I think the serious matter to be considered is that children of extraordinary tenacity and ability who develop in the NYPS system may still fall behind their middle-class peers who come into the system with resources, and that the school system designed to improve the fate of inner-city youth by giving them a way out of poverty is instead being used by people who may love america but are seen as 'newcomers' and 'interlopers'.
 
2012-10-28 08:33:17 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Let those who perform well academically get the competitive academic positions. Ugh. Why do racists always have to make everything in the universe about race?


If the exams are only focused on Math and Reading, then it's not an academic test.
 
2012-10-28 08:34:46 AM
is it taboo to suggest that different cultures have different values?
 
2012-10-28 08:34:49 AM

theflatline: from my blood: Wonder what happens when a black, white and asian move to Mexico and has to learn Spanish....

Do they provide special education for immigrants?
Do they give special education to for-ners?

Asians speaking Spanish is perhaps one of the funniest yet nails on a chalkboard sounds at the same time.


CSB:
On one of the boats I work on we have a Russian galley-hand and a Honduran BR hand. Their grasp of the English language is tenuous at best. Listening to them have a conversation is pretty awesome when you try to figure out what they are saying to each other.

Before you get on your high horses, I have learned some Russian from Irena and Mahine and I converse in Spanish occasionally, so I am making an effort to be multicultural.

/Baigamana Apa Kabar?
//Kabar baik! 
/// End CSB
 
2012-10-28 08:35:30 AM

rubi_con_man: ThrobblefootSpectre: Let those who perform well academically get the competitive academic positions. Ugh. Why do racists always have to make everything in the universe about race?

If the exams are only focused on Math and Reading, then it's not an academic test.


You're right. Reading doesn't really belong in academics. It's too subjective.
 
2012-10-28 08:36:43 AM

daveUSMC: is it taboo to suggest that different cultures have different values?


Yes, it is. It's also taboo to suggest that parents pass their cultural values down to their children, who pass them along to their children, etc.
 
2012-10-28 08:38:04 AM

Cobataiwan: God-is-a-Taco: Oh, after a few refreshed I got it to load.

RodneyToady:
There may be a hidden factor here as well. I don't think it's simply "Asian" vs. "not Asian." I think it's also "immigrant" vs "non-immigrant."

Yeah, the Brain Gain is a pretty sweet deal for the most part.
If even 1% of Chinese people are smart, there's 14 million to choose from.

We could also create our own by having good public schools, but that sounds like a bother.

Actually that is a very good point, especially if pure talent plays more of a role than good schools.

If you had a choice of personally being in charge of reforming the school system or instead simply allowing smart people to come to the USA, I think the answer as to which one would be far easier to accomplish would be obvious.

Note though, that these talented people are excelling in our school system, so maybe its not such a bad system after all. The cream will always rise to the top.


Well said.

It's amazing that our crappy system produces some pretty smart asian kids.

Can't have anything to do with the parents I suppose. More teachers is the solution.
 
2012-10-28 08:38:17 AM
[notthisshiatagain.jpg]

Comes up every couple of years.

/Stuy alum
//plenty of my classmates were poor as f--k
 
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