WhyteRaven74: EvilRacistNaziFascist: move to a majority black areaYour assertion mentioned visiting. I've walked through plenty of black neighborhoods without a worry in the world.
Coco LaFemme: There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.
WhyteRaven74: There are white ghettos. Living in a slum, or ghetto if you prefer, has historically not much to do with race. Indeed it wasn't that long ago a larger percentage of whites lived in them, though even now those slums are still referred to as tenements and other things that make them appear to be something other than what they were. And slums exist not because of the people living in them so much as the people who own the buildings.
doyner: "In our rich history we have a tradition of ignorance. Men go to hell in degrees."
ongbok: And I guess you think that slavery was good for black people because otherwise they would have been living in Africa in as savages dieing of all kinds of diseases, starvation and animal attacks. The slave owners took them out of those conditions and put a roof over their heads and fed them all for a honest days work.This is what you believe isn't it?
kitsuneymg: Also. If you think Alabama is "dumb", please look up Huntsville and Redstone Arsenal. Basically, it's probably the highest educated city in the US. Silicon Valley might give us a run for the money, but the rest of the US is easily "dumber" than HSV.
Lawnchair: kitsuneymg: Also. If you think Alabama is "dumb", please look up Huntsville and Redstone Arsenal. Basically, it's probably the highest educated city in the US. Silicon Valley might give us a run for the money, but the rest of the US is easily "dumber" than HSV.I'm sure there are other ways to judge, but the US Census (American Community Survey) does track 'percent with BS and higher' (32.8% in the case of Huntsville, AL) and 'percent with a graduate degree' (12.8%). Not bad, mind you, but there are in fact 70 US Metropolitian/Micropolitan Areas out of 520 tracked with higher rates of both degree levels. In the Washington DC metro, for instance, it's 48%/22.9%.
ArcadianRefugee: RedPhoenix122: CapeFearCadaver: And drunk, don't forget drunk.This is Fark, it's assumed.Obv. Not whiskey though.CSB: Was cleaning out my car (it really was farking cluttered) two days ago and found an unopened bottle of Skyy.Yay for the vodak faeries!
Electrify: A few weeks back I was listening to CBC Radio and they had a guy on who wrote a book suggesting that the US should let the South separate. Without the support of the North, they would either have get their acts together or fall into North Korean like dysfunction.Alabama is doing a good job proving this guy's thesis correct.
EvilRacistNaziFascist: Damnhippyfreak: [people.virginia.edu image 500x75]Damnhippyfreak: Merely enumerating what you believe to be argumentative fallacies is not the same as making an argument for or against anything: you also have to demonstrate that they are indeed fallacies by explicit reference to the facts under discussion. I contended that the life of black Americans prior to desegregation was in many points preferable to their lives today, and gave various examples to illustrate why this might be the case. In order to refute what I said, you would have to provide more numerous or more persuasive counter- arguments. Please either do so or quit making a parade of your ignorance.Alternatively, of course, you could continue to take the easy way out and pretend that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist... although this tactic is now losing its effectiveness through overuse, it is still preferentially employed by those who find it too difficult to actually think.
EvilRacistNaziFascist: Good for Alabama! At least they are willing to recognize that, because of the statistically well- attested fact that blacks victimize whites at a much greater rate than vice- versa, there are at least some protective benefits to be enjoyed by whites from segregation. Naturally, the presentation of this objectively neutral fact will be greeted by the usual suspects as "hate", "trolling", etc., though curiously none of those flinging around the sh*t will be able to dispute its basic accuracy.
EvilRacistNaziFascist: You know, it's funny that it's taken as a given that the segregated 1950s were a terrible time for race relations by people who never trouble to ask themselves the simple question: how are black people in the South better off now than they were back then? Today blacks have much greater rates of family breakdown leading directly to much greater rates of crime, which in turn leads to the flight of productive citizens (of any race) from the communities they might otherwise have invested their lives and livelihoods in. The result is blighted ghettos, gangs, multi- generational families on welfare, and far less racial interaction than in 1960 owing to the simple fact that most white people are rightly fearful to even visit, let alone settle down in, areas that are mostly black.But on the plus side, black people no longer have to sit at the back of the bus! So there's that.
Britney Spear's Speculum: smitty04: Britney Spear's Speculum: Alabama will vote to keep the language. The spokesmen will cite "tradition" and "history"Democrats are dying out in Alabama (George Wallace is gone), sounds like it is time to throw the whole thing out and start over again.Yup, and I don't drive volkswaegons because Hitler started the company.
taurusowner: There is no right to public education national defense. You cannot have a right to something that must exist through the effort of others. A right, by definition, is something you must be allowed to have. But that's impossible if it requires another person to fulfill it. You have the right to free speech, but not the right to be listened to, because that involves someone else. You have the right to self-defense, but not to be defended by others, because that forces effort on another to serve you. You have the right to practice your religion, but not to make others practice it too, because again, that would involve the necessary actions of someone else to be fulfilled. If your "right" requires action on the part of another person to be fulfilled, it cannot by definition be a right. Public education National defense (like public healthcare) absolutely requires someone else to act in order for it to be fulfilled. There has to be another person actively teaching protecting the public for there to be public education the US to be safe. That's why it can't be a right. What if that teacher soldier doesn't want to teach serve?.
javawarlock: ArcadianRefugee: RedPhoenix122: CapeFearCadaver: And drunk, don't forget drunk.This is Fark, it's assumed.Obv. Not whiskey though.CSB: Was cleaning out my car (it really was farking cluttered) two days ago and found an unopened bottle of Skyy.Yay for the vodak faeries!Whiskey fairies > Vodak fairies
Babwa Wawa: doyner: "In our rich history we have a tradition of ignorance. Men go to hell in degrees.""Men go to hell in degrees."That's an excellent statement. You have it in quotes. Who said it first?
thisisarepeat: (MI,TX,TN & KY as examples)
kitsuneymg: In Huntsville, they tend to be real degrees. We primarily have engineers, not underwater basket weavers or political scientists. But if you want to count BS's in English, go ahead
LOTN: I'll assuming the rights to counsel and trial by jury need to be officially struck from the Bill of Rights as they require a lawyer and a group of your countrymen to be compelled to action.Yes, the students' rights would be impinged. The government would, gasp, have to hire someone else. Or craft a law compelling members of the community to serve, similar to jury duty. We need educated youth. If we can't find someone to do it for pay, we'll have to make someone do it to avoid fines and whatnot.
Bucky Katt: Hopefully, Alabama will opt to join the 20th century. As for the 21st....
skinink: "The second time won't be any easier than the first because Alabama's two largest black political groups are urging a "no" vote. They say the proposed changes would wipe out some racially charged language, but would retain segregation-era language saying there is no constitutional right to a public education in Alabama. And they've been joined by the state's main teachers' group in refusing to go along."Is there anything a politician cannot properly fark up?
Old Smokie: I like all the people from California in this thread wanting to get rid of Alabama from the Union.Look in a goddamned mirror.
Cataholic: LOTN: I'll assuming the rights to counsel and trial by jury need to be officially struck from the Bill of Rights as they require a lawyer and a group of your countrymen to be compelled to action.Yes, the students' rights would be impinged. The government would, gasp, have to hire someone else. Or craft a law compelling members of the community to serve, similar to jury duty. We need educated youth. If we can't find someone to do it for pay, we'll have to make someone do it to avoid fines and whatnot.As with the example of voting above, the right to counsel and a trial by jury are CONDITIONAL. You have a right to vote, IF an election is held. You have a right to counsel and a trial by jury IF you are accused of a crime by the state.
CruJones: Alabama has beautiful beaches.
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