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2012-10-27 07:20:30 PM
@Coco LaFemme:

So you mean to also "burn to the ground" the 26% of Alabama's population that is black? Or only burn the white people to the ground? If the latter, will you take-in all the unburnt, black folk to your county as refugees?

Please enlighten us further. I know you are superior to us Southern rubes, so please educate us further.
 
2012-10-27 07:21:16 PM

lohphat: Gyrfalcon:
OurRacists' priorities sure are screwed up.

FTFY


Well, to be fair, I'd say they've got their priorities quite in a row.

They hate people, basically.
 
2012-10-27 07:21:17 PM
I'm sure Mercedes, Honda and Hyundai would be happy to have an uneducated Alabama labor force. "Would you like fries with that" would be music to the ears of all those folks from states that still believe in readin', 'ritin' and 'rithmetic.'  Of course those companies may just move after getting tired of being harassed by the local geniuses with badges.
 
2012-10-27 07:21:30 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Cut this tumor loose from the rest of the country.


Like the EU considered ejecting Greece from its union for being a fiscal drain, the US should eject states taking more federal aide than they contribute for the same reason.
 
2012-10-27 07:25:37 PM
Hate is the inverse of love, however, Retardumblicans are beyond the pale: rise above.

Quit demeaning the species.

Look up.

ALL are welcome.

It's only one place...

*)
 
2012-10-27 07:27:14 PM

Emposter: FTFA: The U.S. Supreme Court declared anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional in 1967, for instance. But it wasn't until 2000 that Alabama voters removed the state constitution's ban on interracial marriage. Even then, 40 percent voted to keep the ban.

But don't you DARE call us racist. You're the racists, for calling us racist!


What the hell.
 
2012-10-27 07:27:40 PM
Primum non nocere
So you mean to also "burn to the ground" the 26% of Alabama's population that is black? Or only burn the white people to the ground?


Are you afraid of your ashes being mixed with ashes of the wrong color?
 
2012-10-27 07:31:50 PM
This poll seems to say a lot.
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2012-10-27 07:36:13 PM

ArcadianRefugee: CapeFearCadaver: Why is this being left up to voter majority?

I'd guess because Alabama law says the state's Constitution can only be altered by voter majority.


Fark: Where all of your rhetorical questions will be answered. I understand the technicality, sweetums; though WHY are civil rights issues, in particular, still being left up to a majority vote... anywhere in America? Have we really not moved past this point?

/in NC, where Amendment One was passed by majority vote
 
2012-10-27 07:36:32 PM

lohphat: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Cut this tumor loose from the rest of the country.

Like the EU considered ejecting Greece from its union for being a fiscal drain, the US should eject states taking more federal aide than they contribute for the same reason.


Ejecting them, no.

They need a good biatchslap to make them fly right.
 
2012-10-27 07:36:52 PM

brantgoose: neighbourhoods


You ain't from 'round here, are you?
 
2012-10-27 07:37:20 PM

smitty04: People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.

Dale


nor should they. Google Shadrack McGill, Roy Moore, Twinkle Andress Cavanaugh, Don Seigelman, Tim James, Larry Langford, Dale Peterson, Parker Griffith

do I really need to go on? I can, I just don't want to.

Point is, the Alabama constitution is a convoluted mess. The ideal thing to do would be throw it out and write a new one, but the fact of the matter is, the new constitution that the lunatics in Montgomery come up with will undoubtedly be 900x worse than whatever is on the books now
 
2012-10-27 07:38:22 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Why is this being left up to voter majority? In Alabama? For fark's sake, what farking country do I live in?


Umm, a country where governments (state or federal) don't get to change constitutions at their own whim...and that's a good thing.
 
2012-10-27 07:40:59 PM

Coco LaFemme: There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.


Hmmm, this seems a good time for a let's-throw-a-state-out thread: I vote Arizona, a desert wasteland where old bigots go to die. You're out Arizona.
 
2012-10-27 07:42:27 PM

cmb53208: I vote Arizona, a desert wasteland where old bigots go to die. You're out Arizona.


Actually, Arizona would make for one hell of a solar panel array.
 
2012-10-27 07:43:44 PM

xanadian: What?

*rtfa*

Though it ended decades ago, segregation is still mandated by Alabama's constitution. But an effort to remove the outdated language isn't supported by everyone, including some African Americans.

WHAT!?? 

They say the proposed changes would wipe out some racially charged language, but would retain segregation-era language saying there is no constitutional right to a public education in Alabama.

Oh. Christ, Alabama, WTF


It's not just Alabama; these stupid bait-n-switch amendments and propositions are pretty much standard fair these days. People need to read the entire proposition before voting on it ("Free kittens for everyone...and the addition of a poll tax" Vote YES on Prop 100...for free kittens!)
 
2012-10-27 07:47:10 PM

smitty04: People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.


Though, in Birmingham, they love the governor.
 
2012-10-27 07:47:36 PM

Coco LaFemme: There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.


We could store our coal sludge, other toxic waste and nuclear waste there. We could downgrade it to a US colony that has no right to representation. Good idea!!
 
2012-10-27 07:48:40 PM

whidbey: cmb53208: I vote Arizona, a desert wasteland where old bigots go to die. You're out Arizona.

Actually, Arizona would make for one hell of a solar panel array.


A glass-parking lot, one might say?
 
2012-10-27 07:48:57 PM

Vectron: Republicans. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.


There is always the right way and then there is the Republican way. They can take anything that sounds good and pervert it to maximum Derp.
 
2012-10-27 07:49:25 PM
Oy vey.
 
2012-10-27 07:51:50 PM
whidbey
cmb53208: I vote Arizona, a desert wasteland where old bigots go to die. You're out Arizona.

Actually, Arizona would make for one hell of a solar panel array.


If you keep Arizona, you might be able to get rid off Florida if you add a seniors' final storage area to the bigoted elephant graveyard.
 
2012-10-27 07:52:28 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Cut this tumor loose from the rest of the country.


On second thought, maybe not: we did after all give the nation Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, and Ron Johnson. Those three people don't exactly make Wisconsin look very bright.

As far as segregation goes, two words: Milwaukee suburbs
 
2012-10-27 07:52:35 PM

whidbey: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Cut this tumor loose from the rest of the country.

There is no question in my mind that both Alabama and Mississippi need some kind of national intervention.

They are not learning any lessons from the past 50 years.


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-10-27 07:52:51 PM

King Something: Oy vey.


Quit religionizing.

We are species first.

Word.

*)

P.S. Try to be human first, then come preach...
 
2012-10-27 07:53:39 PM
Alabama is a disgusting and terrible state for anyone who doesn't appreciate the history of the discrimination that occurred there. And I'm one of them.

Fark that miserable state and all the terrible people who inhabit it that still are racist. And if you don't think there aren't millions of them, drive through the place.
 
2012-10-27 07:53:45 PM

The Voice of Doom: whidbey
cmb53208: I vote Arizona, a desert wasteland where old bigots go to die. You're out Arizona.

Actually, Arizona would make for one hell of a solar panel array.

If you keep Arizona, you might be able to get rid off Florida if you add a seniors' final storage area to the bigoted elephant graveyard.


Well, see, I don't want to "get rid" of anything. Florida would be part of the Neo-Reconstruction, too.
 
2012-10-27 07:55:47 PM

cmb53208: Coco LaFemme: There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.

Hmmm, this seems a good time for a let's-throw-a-state-out thread: I vote Arizona, a desert wasteland where old bigots go to die. You're out Arizona.


Never actually been to Arizona, have you?

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All Arizona
 
2012-10-27 07:57:21 PM

cmb53208: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Cut this tumor loose from the rest of the country.

On second thought, maybe not: we did after all give the nation Scott Walker, Paul Ryan, and Ron Johnson. Those three people don't exactly make Wisconsin look very bright.

As far as segregation goes, two words: Milwaukee suburbs


Nothing says segregation like English Station area of Chicago.
www.chicagonow.com
 
2012-10-27 08:05:49 PM

smitty04: whidbey: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Cut this tumor loose from the rest of the country.

There is no question in my mind that both Alabama and Mississippi need some kind of national intervention.

They are not learning any lessons from the past 50 years.

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Talking to yourself again? I'm sorry I insulted your buddies.
 
2012-10-27 08:08:50 PM

GAT_00: doyner: Alabama has the most ridiculous, long, and wordy state constitution in the US.

I think it's actually the longest in the world.


It is.

At 340,136 words, the document is 12 times longer than the average state constitution, 40 times longer than the U.S. Constitution, and is the longest still-operative constitution anywhere in the world. (The English translation of the Constitution of India, the longest national constitution, is about 117,369 words long, a third of the length.)

About 90 percent of the document's length, as of 2012, comes from its 856 amendments. About 70 percent of the amendments cover only a single county or city, and some deal with salaries of specific officials (e.g. Amendment 480 and the Greene County probate judge). This gives Alabama a large number of constitutional officers.


Most of that document could burn and I wouldn't weep. There are all sorts of idiotic bits that need to be undone, but it takes too many votes to get anything to happen. As much derp as there is on the national scene, it's worse locally. I wouldn't trust a single member of our government with a pair of safety scissors.


Also. If you think Alabama is "dumb", please look up Huntsville and Redstone Arsenal. Basically, it's probably the highest educated city in the US. Silicon Valley might give us a run for the money, but the rest of the US is easily "dumber" than HSV.
 
2012-10-27 08:09:04 PM
Is ther a "right" to public education.? Yes, it is a good thing but a right like free speech or gun ownership? I don't think so.

It is a government provided service like a fire deparment or a public park but not a right.
 
2012-10-27 08:09:14 PM

Hickory-smoked: smitty04: People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.

Though, in Birmingham, they love the governor.


I just knew that if I kept reading this thread long enough something would make me laugh. Bravo!
 
2012-10-27 08:11:39 PM
rev. dave
Coco LaFemme:
There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.

We could store our coal sludge, other toxic waste and nuclear waste there. We could downgrade it to a US colony that has no right to representation. Good idea!!


I think Nevada would make a better toxic waste dump:
No risk of tropical storms flushing out the waste , you already had nuclear bomb explosions, Reno has a history as a place for dumping, and what you dump in Vegas stays in Vegas.
 
2012-10-27 08:16:03 PM

hasty ambush: Is ther a "right" to public education.? Yes, it is a good thing but a right like free speech or gun ownership? I don't think so.

It is a government provided service like a fire deparment or a public park but not a right.


One could argue that you can't have an effective democracy without an well-educated public...
 
2012-10-27 08:18:08 PM

libranoelrose: Hickory-smoked: smitty04: People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.

Though, in Birmingham, they love the governor.

I just knew that if I kept reading this thread long enough something would make me laugh. Bravo!


People always misinterpret that line.

The Guvnah was the first integrated strip joint in Birmingham. It burned down under mysterious circumstances in 1971.
 
2012-10-27 08:20:04 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: hasty ambush: Is ther a "right" to public education.? Yes, it is a good thing but a right like free speech or gun ownership? I don't think so.

It is a government provided service like a fire deparment or a public park but not a right.

One could argue that you can't have an effective democracy without an well-educated public...


I argue this point...minus the "an". It's "a". *)
 
2012-10-27 08:20:45 PM

Hobo Jr.: The Guvnah was the first integrated strip joint in Birmingham. It burned down under mysterious circumstances in 1971.


I'm guessing that not so mysteriously alcohol was involved.
 
2012-10-27 08:22:48 PM
FTFA: But it wasn't until 2000 that Alabama voters removed the state constitution's ban on interracial marriage. Even then, 40 percent voted to keep the ban.

And people want to leave gay civil rights up to the voters in each state? Yeah, that's why we shouldn't be voting on equal/civil rights.
 
2012-10-27 08:24:28 PM

WorldCitizen: Yeah, that's why we shouldn't be voting on equal/civil rights


I guess i don't understand, given the 14th Amendment, why doing that would even be legal in this country.
 
2012-10-27 08:26:13 PM
Alabama should be ashamed.
It's 2012 for fark sakes!
 
2012-10-27 08:28:21 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: hasty ambush: Is ther a "right" to public education.? Yes, it is a good thing but a right like free speech or gun ownership? I don't think so.

It is a government provided service like a fire deparment or a public park but not a right.

One could argue that you can't have an effective democracy without an well-educated public...


I think one can very successfully argue that. You can't have an effective democracy without an effectively educated population. Of course, I would say a lot of our problems in the US right now stem from the lack of an effectively educated population.
 
2012-10-27 08:29:41 PM

SolidShadow: Alabama should be ashamed.
It's 2012 for fark sakes!


We're not. Well, I am and 20% of real progressives are but we tend to keep our heads down and mouths shut because the stupid burns.
 
2012-10-27 08:30:14 PM
VObama.

Oh, yes I did.

*)
 
2012-10-27 08:30:20 PM
Thank God, for Alabama. Otherwise, us Georgians would have no one to make fun of. I suppose we could make fun of North Florida, but that's really no different from Macon. It would feel hollow.
 
2012-10-27 08:30:36 PM

Hobo Jr.: libranoelrose: Hickory-smoked: smitty04: People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.

Though, in Birmingham, they love the governor.

I just knew that if I kept reading this thread long enough something would make me laugh. Bravo!

People always misinterpret that line.

The Guvnah was the first integrated strip joint in Birmingham. It burned down under mysterious circumstances in 1971.


It's not as funny if you take it so literally since we were discussing politicians.

Though this would be a good time to turn this into a mixed race stripper thread...
 
2012-10-27 08:32:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: Thank God, for Alabama. Otherwise, us Georgians would have no one to make fun of. I suppose we could make fun of North Florida, but that's really no different from Macon. It would feel hollow.


Don't worry. Indiana is fighting really hard to be the Alabama of the North. We want to make sure that even the South has someone to point at and make fun of.
 
2012-10-27 08:32:08 PM

libranoelrose: Hobo Jr.: libranoelrose: Hickory-smoked: smitty04: People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.

Though, in Birmingham, they love the governor.

I just knew that if I kept reading this thread long enough something would make me laugh. Bravo!

People always misinterpret that line.

The Guvnah was the first integrated strip joint in Birmingham. It burned down under mysterious circumstances in 1971.

It's not as funny if you take it so literally since we were discussing politicians.

Though this would be a good time to turn this into a mixed race stripper thread...


I just made all that up.
 
2012-10-27 08:35:53 PM

whidbey: WorldCitizen: Yeah, that's why we shouldn't be voting on equal/civil rights

I guess i don't understand, given the 14th Amendment, why doing that would even be legal in this country.


NC's Amendment One: "An Act to Amend the Constitution to Provide That Marriage Between One Man and One Woman is the Only Domestic Legal Union That Shall Be Valid or Recognized in This State."

Not only was is solely for the purpose of making gay marriage HARDER, considering it was already illegal here; but the way they worded it: "the Only Domestic Legal Union That Shall Be Valid or Recognized in This State."... it leaves ALL unmarried couples, gay or straight, completely in jeopardy. Victims of DV, Health Insurance, Hospital Visitation rights, Life insurance... the list goes on. Voted by majority. (not by my county, thankfully, but still)
 
2012-10-27 08:37:23 PM

Indubitably: VObama.

Oh, yes I did.

*)


"O, earth, plz let us live another day in this massiveness of space, with its petulant ways..."

"Money isn't real."

"People are."
 
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