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2012-10-27 04:58:16 PM  
I'k betting on a huge victory for segregation.
 
2012-10-27 05:04:43 PM  
What?

*rtfa*

Though it ended decades ago, segregation is still mandated by Alabama's constitution. But an effort to remove the outdated language isn't supported by everyone, including some African Americans.

WHAT!?? 

They say the proposed changes would wipe out some racially charged language, but would retain segregation-era language saying there is no constitutional right to a public education in Alabama.

Oh. Christ, Alabama, WTF
 
2012-10-27 05:08:55 PM  
There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.
 
2012-10-27 05:23:33 PM  
Why would you need a substitute amendment? The revision should just strike out the offending language, including the ban on publicly funded education.
 
2012-10-27 05:27:04 PM  

Somacandra: Why would you need a substitute amendment? The revision should just strike out the offending language, including the ban on publicly funded education.



Guess it depends on how their constitution works.  The US Constitution requires a new ammendment to repeal an earlier one.  See: 18th and 21st.
 
2012-10-27 05:40:29 PM  
Why is this being left up to voter majority? In Alabama? For fark's sake, what farking country do I live in?
 
2012-10-27 06:04:27 PM  
Alabama don't need no edumacatin'. We's smart enough as it is. Ey, Cletus Jr, git the calcumalator. A fly needs swattin'.
 
2012-10-27 06:08:37 PM  

Coco LaFemme: There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.


You'll miss the Redstone Arsenal.
 
2012-10-27 06:13:47 PM  
Alabama has the most ridiculous, long, and wordy state constitution in the US. They just don't get it. They are the most prone people in the country to get whipped up into a frenzy and codify the derp of the day in their supreme legal document. This is why they can't have nice things.
 
2012-10-27 06:18:31 PM  

doyner: Alabama has the most ridiculous, long, and wordy state constitution in the US.


I think it's actually the longest in the world.
 
2012-10-27 06:24:23 PM  

Somacandra: Why would you need a substitute amendment? The revision should just strike out the offending language, including the ban on publicly funded education.


According to the article- the original amendment took out everything-but was rejected because people were afraid that taxes would go up because of public schools.

This isn't a race issue- but weather or not they want their kids to be educated. Or rather- pay for it.
 
2012-10-27 06:26:24 PM  
They just need to strip away all pretense, hold a state constitutional convention, codify 10 commandments articles and be done with it.
 
2012-10-27 06:27:42 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Somacandra: Why would you need a substitute amendment? The revision should just strike out the offending language, including the ban on publicly funded education.

According to the article- the original amendment took out everything-but was rejected because people were afraid that taxes would go up because of public schools.

This isn't a race issue- but weather or not they want their kids to be educated. Or rather- pay for it.


Alabama also puts everything in the state Constitution. There's stuff about taxing pig farming in there.
 
2012-10-27 06:46:43 PM  

"The second time won't be any easier than the first because Alabama's two largest black political groups are urging a "no" vote. They say the proposed changes would wipe out some racially charged language, but would retain segregation-era language saying there is no constitutional right to a public education in Alabama. And they've been joined by the state's main teachers' group in refusing to go along."


Is there anything a politician cannot properly fark up?

 
2012-10-27 06:49:18 PM  
Alabama will vote to keep the language. The spokesmen will cite "tradition" and "history"
 
2012-10-27 06:53:33 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Alabama will vote to keep the language. The spokesmen will cite "tradition" and "history"


"In our rich history we have a tradition of ignorance. Men go to hell in degrees."
 
2012-10-27 06:54:10 PM  
doyner: Alabama has the most ridiculous, long, and wordy state constitution in the US.

they're just trying to look smart, what with them words and such
 
2012-10-27 06:54:53 PM  
As opposed to northern states where they don't bother to vote on it. They just do it.
 
2012-10-27 06:54:57 PM  
Way to kill the stereotype, guys.
 
2012-10-27 06:58:10 PM  

Coco LaFemme: There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.


Sincere opinion - Compared to you, Alabama seems rational and level-headed.
 
2012-10-27 06:58:44 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Alabama will vote to keep the language. The spokesmen will cite "tradition" and "history"


Democrats are dying out in Alabama (George Wallace is gone), sounds like it is time to throw the whole thing out and start over again.
 
2012-10-27 06:59:01 PM  
The United States should be segregated from Alabama.
 
2012-10-27 07:00:48 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Coco LaFemme: There are several states where, if we as a nation cut them loose, we wouldn't suffer for it. Alabama is one of those states. Take whatever may be of value to the government out, and then burn it to the ground.

Sincere opinion - Compared to you, Alabama seems rational and level-headed.


Yeah... I live in a crappy southern state, but my county and especially city is fairly awesome.

/please don't cut me out...
 
2012-10-27 07:00:50 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: The United States should be segregated from Alabama.


That's racist?
 
2012-10-27 07:03:14 PM  
Old prejudicial language is going, old inequities are being kept and expanded.

It doesn't matter what you say you believe--it matters what you do.

I hope somebody is informing the more enlightened voters of Alabama just what their Masters are up to. Because it looks to me that now it is not just slaves who will be denied an education and thus equality and freedom and justice and a decent livelihood, but anybody who can't pay for costly, private-for-profit, superior education.

They're just correcting the mistakes of the past by extended them to the po' whites and new non-white immigrants from the non-white slaves of yesteryear.

I'd be concerned where this would leave us 99%.

Nuke a few of the better neighbourhoods in Alabama on a big bar-b-que weekend when the servants are given the day off to get them from under foot. It'll even things up. That's about the best you can probably hope for. The disease is endemic in Southern Cavalier elites. The things they are cavalier about are other people's well-being and rights, the environment, humanity, truth, fact, and science.
 
2012-10-27 07:05:51 PM  
Alabama: proving that stupidity knows no race.
 
2012-10-27 07:05:53 PM  

brantgoose: Old prejudicial language is going, old inequities are being kept and expanded.

It doesn't matter what you say you believe--it matters what you do.

I hope somebody is informing the more enlightened voters of Alabama just what their Masters are up to. Because it looks to me that now it is not just slaves who will be denied an education and thus equality and freedom and justice and a decent livelihood, but anybody who can't pay for costly, private-for-profit, superior education.

They're just correcting the mistakes of the past by extended them to the po' whites and new non-white immigrants from the non-white slaves of yesteryear.

I'd be concerned where this would leave us 99%.

Nuke a few of the better neighbourhoods in Alabama on a big bar-b-que weekend when the servants are given the day off to get them from under foot. It'll even things up. That's about the best you can probably hope for. The disease is endemic in Southern Cavalier elites. The things they are cavalier about are other people's well-being and rights, the environment, humanity, truth, fact, and science.


Someone has been watching too many movies.
 
2012-10-27 07:06:04 PM  

smitty04: Britney Spear's Speculum: Alabama will vote to keep the language. The spokesmen will cite "tradition" and "history"

Democrats are dying out in Alabama (George Wallace is gone), sounds like it is time to throw the whole thing out and start over again.


Yup, and I don't drive volkswagons because Hitler started the company.
 
2012-10-27 07:07:46 PM  
Amendment 4 would excise outdated language about poll taxes and separate schools that many consider racist. But the critics say the language being proposed as a substitute undermines funding for public education by reaffirming that there is no right to a public education at taxpayers' expense in Alabama.

Retired University of Alabama law professor Martha Morgan, an expert on Alabama's constitution, says voting "no" on Nov. 6 is likely to give the state another black eye. But she said it's better to get a black eye than "to inflict a mortal wound to public education by taking away the right to public education."


This is why.

"Supporters" are removing the segregation language...but keeping in the language that says there is no right to a public education. They claim it doesn't matter because, according to one supporter, nobody pays any attention to it. Teachers and opponents fear that if the language is reaffirmed--by officially leaving it in the new Amendment--it will provide a means by which the legislature can further cut public education funding.

A similar amendment several years ago would have stricken the public-education language altogether, but was defeated because of fears over increased taxation to support public education.

So this is where we are in America today: We can't remove segregationist language from state constitutions because it leaves in clauses stating there is no right to a public education--and we can't strip out that same language because people are scared we might raise taxes to improve public education. Meanwhile, education in America continues to deteriorate and racial tensions continue to escalate.

Our priorities sure are screwed up.
 
2012-10-27 07:08:52 PM  
FTFA: The U.S. Supreme Court declared anti-miscegenation laws unconstitutional in 1967, for instance. But it wasn't until 2000 that Alabama voters removed the state constitution's ban on interracial marriage. Even then, 40 percent voted to keep the ban.

But don't you DARE call us racist. You're the racists, for calling us racist!
 
2012-10-27 07:09:27 PM  
This time, black groups are leading the opposition to change. The Alabama Democratic Conference and the Alabama New South Alliance say the change, backed largely by white Republicans with a pro-business approach, looks like a "feel good" change but is not.

Amendment 4 would excise outdated language about poll taxes and separate schools that many consider racist. But the critics say the language being proposed as a substitute undermines funding for public education by reaffirming that there is no right to a public education at taxpayers' expense in Alabama.

"It is a wolf in sheep's clothing. It seems so good but is so bad," said black Democratic Sen. Hank Sanders of Selma, a New South founder.



Yes, because "separate but equal" is so much better.
 
2012-10-27 07:10:22 PM  
Ffs.
 
2012-10-27 07:11:19 PM  
Grrr.
 
2012-10-27 07:11:23 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So this is where we are in America today: We can't remove segregationist language from state constitutions because it leaves in clauses stating there is no right to a public education--and we can't strip out that same language because people are scared we might raise taxes to improve public education. Meanwhile, education in America continues to deteriorate and racial tensions continue to escalate.

Our priorities sure are screwed up.


People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.
 
2012-10-27 07:11:26 PM  
That's racist!
 
2012-10-27 07:11:40 PM  

smitty04: People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.


derp
 
2012-10-27 07:13:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Amendment 4 would excise outdated language about poll taxes and separate schools that many consider racist. But the critics say the language being proposed as a substitute undermines funding for public education by reaffirming that there is no right to a public education at taxpayers' expense in Alabama.

Retired University of Alabama law professor Martha Morgan, an expert on Alabama's constitution, says voting "no" on Nov. 6 is likely to give the state another black eye. But she said it's better to get a black eye than "to inflict a mortal wound to public education by taking away the right to public education."

This is why.

"Supporters" are removing the segregation language...but keeping in the language that says there is no right to a public education. They claim it doesn't matter because, according to one supporter, nobody pays any attention to it. Teachers and opponents fear that if the language is reaffirmed--by officially leaving it in the new Amendment--it will provide a means by which the legislature can further cut public education funding.

A similar amendment several years ago would have stricken the public-education language altogether, but was defeated because of fears over increased taxation to support public education.

So this is where we are in America today: We can't remove segregationist language from state constitutions because it leaves in clauses stating there is no right to a public education--and we can't strip out that same language because people are scared we might raise taxes to improve public education. Meanwhile, education in America continues to deteriorate and racial tensions continue to escalate.

Our priorities sure are screwed up.


Our priorities are fine. Politicians sneak this crap in to further some insane agenda or another. I suspect they just sit there at the computer and when someone comes into the room, they go back to the other window and hit send without thinking about it so that Mrs. Anderson doesn't realize they were sexting 13 year old boys.
 
2012-10-27 07:13:37 PM  

smitty04: Gyrfalcon: So this is where we are in America today: We can't remove segregationist language from state constitutions because it leaves in clauses stating there is no right to a public education--and we can't strip out that same language because people are scared we might raise taxes to improve public education. Meanwhile, education in America continues to deteriorate and racial tensions continue to escalate.

Our priorities sure are screwed up.

People in Alabama also do not trust their politicians.


Who does?

Trust your gut.

Melanin is melanin.

Sun determines everything: look it up.
 
2012-10-27 07:14:08 PM  
As an Alabamian, I am getting a kick....oh wait, I'm not.

And before you ask, there has been a call for a new constitutional convention for the past 20 years.
 
2012-10-27 07:15:10 PM  

Hobo Jr.: As an Alabamian, I am getting a kick....oh wait, I'm not.

And before you ask, there has been a call for a new constitutional convention for the past 20 years.


So they're just phoning it in, is what you're saying...
 
2012-10-27 07:15:38 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Why is this being left up to voter majority?


I'd guess because Alabama law says the state's Constitution can only be altered by voter majority.
 
2012-10-27 07:16:11 PM  
Cut this tumor loose from the rest of the country.
 
2012-10-27 07:16:38 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Somacandra: Why would you need a substitute amendment? The revision should just strike out the offending language, including the ban on publicly funded education.

According to the article- the original amendment took out everything-but was rejected because people were afraid that taxes would go up because of public schools.

This isn't a race issue- but weather or not they want their kids to be educated. Or rather- pay for it.


I'm not harping on you, just pointing it out for your amusement. There's even a term for it, but the name escapades me at the moment.
 
2012-10-27 07:17:07 PM  
Republicans. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
 
2012-10-27 07:17:09 PM  

skinink: "The second time won't be any easier than the first because Alabama's two largest black political groups are urging a "no" vote. They say the proposed changes would wipe out some racially charged language, but would retain segregation-era language saying there is no constitutional right to a public education in Alabama. And they've been joined by the state's main teachers' group in refusing to go along."
Is there anything a politicianracist cannot properly fark up?


FTFY
 
2012-10-27 07:17:15 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Cut this tumor loose from the rest of the country.


There is no question in my mind that both Alabama and Mississippi need some kind of national intervention.

They are not learning any lessons from the past 50 years.
 
2012-10-27 07:17:40 PM  
Hopefully, Alabama will opt to join the 20th century. As for the 21st....
 
2012-10-27 07:17:50 PM  

whidbey: Hobo Jr.: As an Alabamian, I am getting a kick....oh wait, I'm not.

And before you ask, there has been a call for a new constitutional convention for the past 20 years.

So they're just phoning it in, is what you're saying...


Yeah, pretty much.

Democract, Republican, whatever, they are all corrupt and use the state as their personal piggy bank/travel agency.
 
2012-10-27 07:18:50 PM  

Hobo Jr.: whidbey: Hobo Jr.: As an Alabamian, I am getting a kick....oh wait, I'm not.

And before you ask, there has been a call for a new constitutional convention for the past 20 years.

So they're just phoning it in, is what you're saying...

Yeah, pretty much.

Democract, Republican, whatever, they are all corrupt and use the state as their personal piggy bank/travel agency.


Totally sounds like they're stuck in the early 60s.
 
2012-10-27 07:18:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon:
OurRacists' priorities sure are screwed up.


FTFY
 
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