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2012-10-27 06:23:42 PM
OMG, the engineers didn't think of RAIN!
 
2012-10-27 06:25:54 PM
Another brick on the load!
 
2012-10-27 06:26:50 PM

AbbeySomeone: Bontesla: grimlock1972: Seriously all nuclear power plants should be built on geological stable land well inland and not on flood plains. Buildings can be constructed to with stand tornadoes and other high winds but floods are harder to stop.

Not Building nuclear power plants in a quake prone area should be no brainer.

You'd think. Then again - there's a new fracking site being opened within a mile of a nuclear plant. The permits were approved.

That is irresponsible in a grand way. Where is this at?


I don't think I even have to ask

It's in Pennsylvania isn't it?
 
2012-10-27 06:30:09 PM

Bontesla: AbbeySomeone: Bontesla: grimlock1972: Seriously all nuclear power plants should be built on geological stable land well inland and not on flood plains. Buildings can be constructed to with stand tornadoes and other high winds but floods are harder to stop.

Not Building nuclear power plants in a quake prone area should be no brainer.

You'd think. Then again - there's a new fracking site being opened within a mile of a nuclear plant. The permits were approved.

That is irresponsible in a grand way. Where is this at?

They're fracking on the Marcellus Shale in PA near FirstEnergy Corp. nuclear facility in Shippingport - Beaver Valley (IRC).

Here's an article. But it's okay. We've been reassured that the fracking will occur very deep below the surface.


If you can't trust Chesapeake Energy, who can you trust?

PA sold it's soul to the fracking industry a long time ago (especially with Corbett in charge).
 
2012-10-27 06:32:36 PM

intelligent comment below: So all the country should be punished for the way FEMA and the Bush admin handled emergency preparedness and response? You sound like a fundamentalist Christian


I'm so glad you became concerned about the issue just long enough to blame Bush. How about Blanco and Nagin and their role in the fiasco? You wanna guess why the locals kicked them to the curb so hard no one knows where they are today? And yet the majority of the state still votes Republican. Perhaps locals have a different perspective than you? Perhaps they didn't look at it solely as a Bush fark up?

But yea, I'm glad you concerned yourself about issues that reinforce your partisanship.
 
2012-10-27 06:35:10 PM
What's better?

Water or petroleum?

rhetorical

What's bigger?

rhetorical-squared in play

What's coming?

Both.

*)
 
2012-10-27 06:35:51 PM

AbbeySomeone: Bontesla: grimlock1972: Seriously all nuclear power plants should be built on geological stable land well inland and not on flood plains. Buildings can be constructed to with stand tornadoes and other high winds but floods are harder to stop.

Not Building nuclear power plants in a quake prone area should be no brainer.

You'd think. Then again - there's a new fracking site being opened within a mile of a nuclear plant. The permits were approved.

That is irresponsible in a grand way. Where is this at?


Probably North Carolina, we do have Republicans in charge for now. Sigh...

OT: If a storm was powerful enough to damage a nuclear plant badly enough to cause a meltdown, there wouldn't be anything left around it to irradiate but wreckage.

/move along
//nothing to see here
 
2012-10-27 06:37:56 PM

ShobuZukuri: Fu-ku-shi-ma - Fu-ku-shi-ma everybody Fu-ku-shi-ma - Fu-ku-shi-ma


Hey, NO. Fark YOUR mom.
 
2012-10-27 06:42:23 PM

GloomCookie613: zamboni: GloomCookie613: Mrbogey: As a resident of the New Orleans area, I have little concern for people outside of the gulf coast facing hurricanes. It's karma as far as I'm concerned.

Karma? Methinks you don't really understand the concept. You choose to live below sea level, I don't, so I'm being punished for what exactly? Being smarter in choosing my geographical location? You're a tool.

Wow. You are so lucky... and smart, to have chosen to live where there will never be any natural or man made disasters for the entirety of your existence. Hooray you!

Hey dumbfark, I said his argument that it's karma was stupid. Sorry if you had trouble grasping the finer point.

Go read or something. Twatknuckle.


Oh, no... I was agreeing with you! You were able to make a conscious decision to move to a place where you wouldn't be affected by disaster. Some people live where their family lives or have lived for generations. Or live where work is.

That way you would never have to listen to people telling you that you were dumb for choosing to live where you "chose" to live. How fortunate and smart you are!

Because it would be karma if something unfortunate were to... you know... happen

So by all means... continue to insult all those who choose to live where they live. You'll never be affected by nuclear accidents, rock slides, terrorists, tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, fires, blizzards zombie attacks, etc. You are perfectly safe. Free from any potential dangers. Good for you.

<pat on the head>
 
2012-10-27 06:43:13 PM

balisane: Maybe i'm an asshole, but i just can't bring myself to get all derped out over a Cat 1 hurricane. If you don't live on the coast, put your pants back on.


/if you do live on the coast, feel free to wave your underpants around all you like, i guess


I wouldn't call you an asshole, but down here in Oklahoma, we've learned to listen to our meteorologists. The hurricane is only a part of the problem. It's expected to mergeits warm, moist air with another system and that's what's going to play Hell with the weather next week.
 
2012-10-27 06:43:34 PM

balisane: put your pants back on


That's kind of an extreme reaction.
 
2012-10-27 06:57:48 PM
Well, shiat. That tracker has the center of the damn mess right over top of my house at trick-or-treat time.

Sorry, kids.

: (
 
2012-10-27 07:03:55 PM
You philistines don't seem to be aware that that was the name of the doctor, not the storm.
 
2012-10-27 07:16:08 PM
My nickname: Tracker.
 
2012-10-27 07:26:26 PM

AbbeySomeone: This hurricane website is put together by a Farker - It's very cool. No ads.Link 

Thanks Jay!


Needs moar maps.

/not really, I got a boner from the number of maps
 
2012-10-27 07:30:57 PM
Really REALLY don't like how long it takes to have a hurricane. The lead up, the vague predictions, the anxiety, the long storm itself, etc. Criminey. At this point, let's just do this thing. Earthquakes are best disaster I think.

Good luck and stay safe, farkers. And go Giants!
 
2012-10-27 07:34:24 PM

SFSailor: Really REALLY don't like how long it takes to have a hurricane. The lead up, the vague predictions, the anxiety, the long storm itself, etc. Criminey. At this point, let's just do this thing. Earthquakes are best disaster I think.

Good luck and stay safe, farkers. And go Giants!


Nah, because they're over before you know they're happening. Now tsunamis, there's a good disaster. You get a few hours to get cameras and Jim Cantore on scene, but there's none of this dragging it out for days and days.
 
2012-10-27 07:39:32 PM

Mrtraveler01: Bontesla: AbbeySomeone: Bontesla: grimlock1972: Seriously all nuclear power plants should be built on geological stable land well inland and not on flood plains. Buildings can be constructed to with stand tornadoes and other high winds but floods are harder to stop.

Not Building nuclear power plants in a quake prone area should be no brainer.

You'd think. Then again - there's a new fracking site being opened within a mile of a nuclear plant. The permits were approved.

That is irresponsible in a grand way. Where is this at?

They're fracking on the Marcellus Shale in PA near FirstEnergy Corp. nuclear facility in Shippingport - Beaver Valley (IRC).

Here's an article. But it's okay. We've been reassured that the fracking will occur very deep below the surface.

If you can't trust Chesapeake Energy, who can you trust?

PA sold it's soul to the fracking industry a long time ago (especially with Corbett in charge).


PA is a weird place. I had previous convictions about Louisiana being the most corrupt state but those are long gone. PA = Sandusky coverup, Cash for kids, fracking near nuclear plants and you can't even buy beer at the supermarket.
 
2012-10-27 07:41:09 PM

AbbeySomeone: Mrtraveler01: Bontesla: AbbeySomeone: Bontesla: grimlock1972: Seriously all nuclear power plants should be built on geological stable land well inland and not on flood plains. Buildings can be constructed to with stand tornadoes and other high winds but floods are harder to stop.

Not Building nuclear power plants in a quake prone area should be no brainer.

You'd think. Then again - there's a new fracking site being opened within a mile of a nuclear plant. The permits were approved.

That is irresponsible in a grand way. Where is this at?

They're fracking on the Marcellus Shale in PA near FirstEnergy Corp. nuclear facility in Shippingport - Beaver Valley (IRC).

Here's an article. But it's okay. We've been reassured that the fracking will occur very deep below the surface.

If you can't trust Chesapeake Energy, who can you trust?

PA sold it's soul to the fracking industry a long time ago (especially with Corbett in charge).

PA is a weird place. I had previous convictions about Louisiana being the most corrupt state but those are long gone. PA = Sandusky coverup, Cash for kids, fracking near nuclear plants and you can't even buy beer at the supermarket.


Corruption is on notice, friend.

Last warning.
 
2012-10-27 07:54:33 PM
Why do people live on the east coast?!?! Hurricanes in consecutive years...JUST MOVE SHEEPLE!

Am I doing it right?
 
2012-10-27 07:56:29 PM
bet nothing happens.
 
2012-10-27 08:04:54 PM

LDM90: That's nuculer, subby. Nuculer.



You know out of all the things I HATE about the last president, and there are many, the fact that he was too stupid to understand how to pronounce a simple English word is very high on the list. He was disgusting on many levels and that was definitely one. Too bad he didn't die a violent death right before the election.
 
2012-10-27 08:07:57 PM

jmr61: LDM90: That's nuculer, subby. Nuculer.


You know out of all the things I HATE about the last president, and there are many, the fact that he was too stupid to understand how to pronounce a simple English word is very high on the list. He was disgusting on many levels and that was definitely one. Too bad he didn't die a violent death right before the election.


This is unacceptable.
 
2012-10-27 08:10:09 PM

Indubitably: jmr61: LDM90: That's nuculer, subby. Nuculer.


You know out of all the things I HATE about the last president, and there are many, the fact that he was too stupid to understand how to pronounce a simple English word is very high on the list. He was disgusting on many levels and that was definitely one. Too bad he didn't die a violent death right before the election.

This is unacceptable.


We ALL die a violent death, much like the stars, however, not all of us need to proclaim our penis. Some of us do...

P.S. The penis joke was yours.
 
2012-10-27 08:14:39 PM

My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: katfairy: Seriously- a state whose highest point is less than 500 feet above sea level is not somewhere I'd want to be during this type of storm. Good luck.

Thanks. We're about 60 feet above sea lavel, and far enough from the river that any plausible storm surge will stay off our lawn.

We're not expecting local violence, but we're better equipped than most to deal with any folks who might want to pay us a surprise visit.
We're also prepared to bug out if we hear the nuke- or chemical-plant alarms. My wife will be quite safely ensconsed in a local utility's emergency ops center long before landfall; her mother and our cats will have heavily (and legally) armed escort anywhere we need to go.

Roads jammed? People move out of my car's way quite rapidly...
[imageshack.us image 800x462]


You're what my Grandma would call a real dickhead.
 
2012-10-27 08:25:45 PM

katfairy: My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: SuperNinjaToad: don't forget ammo.. and I mean lots and lots of it!

Done, and done.

We live in Delaware, twelve miles from the Salem / Hope Creek nuclear plants. There is a small but non-zero shance that the storm, which appears to be coming right into Delaware Bay, will cause a Oh Mein Papa in the earth's crust. If it does, we're going to load people, cats and guns into the Bluesmobile and make a run for the mountains.

I've been to Delaware, and I have to admit, right now I'd be packing my stuff and heading off to visit any relative who lived out of state. Seriously- a state whose highest point is less than 500 feet above sea level is not somewhere I'd want to be during this type of storm. Good luck.

/Mom grew up on eastern shore of Maryland
//her family still lives down there


Delaware = 3 counties at low tide, 1 at high.
 
2012-10-27 08:26:43 PM

August11: You're what my Grandma would call a real dickhead.


oooh... I've been insulted by a douchebag on the Internet. I may never recover.

You were once a telemarketer, which makes you a bigger dickhead than anyone else in any thread, ever. FOAD, scumbag.
 
2012-10-27 08:35:27 PM

jmr61: LDM90: That's nuculer, subby. Nuculer.


You know out of all the things I HATE about the last president, and there are many, the fact that he was too stupid to understand how to pronounce a simple English word is very high on the list. He was disgusting on many levels and that was definitely one. Too bad he didn't die a violent death right before the election.


Did you like Carter? He said it the same way. And he was from the navy/nuclear industry. Many southerners do. Now go teach the British to pronounce Aluminium.
 
2012-10-27 08:43:07 PM

pandabear: jmr61: LDM90: That's nuculer, subby. Nuculer.


You know out of all the things I HATE about the last president, and there are many, the fact that he was too stupid to understand how to pronounce a simple English word is very high on the list. He was disgusting on many levels and that was definitely one. Too bad he didn't die a violent death right before the election.

Did you like Carter? He said it the same way. And he was from the navy/nuclear industry. Many southerners do. Now go teach the British to pronounce Aluminium.


Cute.

It's aluminum, and it's plentiful, which you are not, so stfu, no?

*)
 
2012-10-27 08:43:43 PM

Indubitably: pandabear: jmr61: LDM90: That's nuculer, subby. Nuculer.


You know out of all the things I HATE about the last president, and there are many, the fact that he was too stupid to understand how to pronounce a simple English word is very high on the list. He was disgusting on many levels and that was definitely one. Too bad he didn't die a violent death right before the election.

Did you like Carter? He said it the same way. And he was from the navy/nuclear industry. Many southerners do. Now go teach the British to pronounce Aluminium.

Cute.

It's aluminum, and it's plentiful, which you are not, so stfu, no?

*)


P.S. I am a wizrd.
 
2012-10-27 08:54:44 PM

pandabear: Did you like Carter?


30-odd years ago, I'm wagering a number of us didn't even know what "politics" was, no less bothered to listen to the president speak.
 
2012-10-27 08:59:28 PM

ArcadianRefugee: pandabear: Did you like Carter?

30-odd years ago, I'm wagering a number of us didn't even know what "politics" was, no less bothered to listen to the president speak.


Grow up.
 
2012-10-27 09:00:31 PM

Bontesla: grimlock1972: Seriously all nuclear power plants should be built on geological stable land well inland and not on flood plains. Buildings can be constructed to with stand tornadoes and other high winds but floods are harder to stop.

Not Building nuclear power plants in a quake prone area should be no brainer.

You'd think. Then again - there's a new fracking site being opened within a mile of a nuclear plant. The permits were approved.


Apparently cash changed hands to approve such a stupid plan.
 
2012-10-27 09:03:44 PM
I am glad to see the snow it is calling for here... 24" or more. But if it warms up too much too quickly, it will cause another of the "100-year-floods" my area is prone to where half the town is underwater. 1901, 1985, 1993, 2001, 2004, 2010... not quite 100 years between them anymore i guess, lol
 
2012-10-27 09:32:45 PM

Paris1127: Perhaps too far inland (although some of Irene's worst damage was in Vermont). I'd guess Indian Point, because it's got a history of safety issues AND it's located right on the tidal part of the Hudson River (storm surge+high tide=bad/Syfy movie).


Gee thanks. I can see Indian Point from my window...
 
2012-10-27 10:03:41 PM

My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: intelligent comment below: Well you obviously aren't a cop if the first thing you're going to do when things around you get sketchy is bug out with your wife and leave your neighbors SOL

OK, you're a troll and an idiot and an asshole, so I don't need to correct your mistakes anymore. First time I've needed to invoke the Ignore list.


Add me to your list too. Yer a kind of dick and AW I don't want to see.

Thanks.
 
2012-10-27 10:08:58 PM

Mrbogey: Perhaps locals have a different perspective than you?


Or because they are stupid?
 
2012-10-27 10:20:36 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Nuclear reactor containment buildings are designed to withstand an airliner hitting them directly. Unless they are built (stupidly) in a flood plain they should be fine. They might shut down as a precaution, but as long as their backup generators have the right plug connectors they will be fine.


In 1972 I had a summer job at PP&L and after Hurricane Agnes was assigned to the Brunner Island coal plant in the Susquehanna just downstream from Three Mile Island (which was under construction at the time). Both islands were completely flooded over and we were picking up glassware from TMI's rad labs all summer long.
Great place to put a reactor!
 
2012-10-27 10:43:02 PM
Firewood? Check.
Food and water? Check.
Generator? Not working.
Truck? Broke yesterday.
Motorcycle? Still works.
Ammo? Check.

My suburban white trash oasis will do fine.
 
2012-10-27 11:26:55 PM
Who out there thought that it "couldn't get any worse"? It is a weak storm that barely qualifies as a hurricane.
 
2012-10-27 11:37:26 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Who out there thought that it "couldn't get any worse"? It is a weak storm that barely qualifies as a hurricane.


Right now, yes. But Irene was fairly weak when it hit, and look at what happened. For that matter, one of the most destructive storms I was ever in had maximum winds under 50mph. Didn't stop it from uprooting 60-foot trees and substantially altering the ocean floor inside a sheltered harbor.
 
2012-10-27 11:56:54 PM

katfairy: But Irene was fairly weak when it hit, and look at what happened.


Good point, Irene was wildly over-hyped as well.
 
2012-10-28 12:10:48 AM
Well, at least no one can say that they were not warned!

If this storm fails to do a trillion in damage, there's gonna be hell to pay...
 
2012-10-28 12:22:20 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: katfairy: But Irene was fairly weak when it hit, and look at what happened.

Good point, Irene was wildly over-hyped as well.


Yeah, that $7 billion in damages was no big deal.
 
2012-10-28 12:49:11 AM

katfairy: Yeah, that $7 billion in damages was no big deal.


Getting some water damage to million dollar McMansions in some wealthy neighborhoods just isn't the same as utterly destroying thousands of working class homes. I'm sure the humidity damage to the grand piano in the ballroom was horrific, but that doesn't make it the "storm of the century", and all the other ridiculous hype. It was a wildly over-hyped rainstorm.
 
2012-10-28 01:03:06 AM
Someone call Michael Bay. He did well with the fire-hurricane-with-alligators last time.

/HAARP turned to 11, oh yeah!
 
2012-10-28 04:28:09 AM

intelligent comment below: Is that all you think Irene did?


Everyone knows that rainstorm Irene washed out some roads and probably knocked down an old dead tree, that should have been removed anyway. Okay? My sympathies. Sincerely. But there's no need to make it into something it wasn't. We all saw the endless coverage of reporters standing in a very light drizzle discussing the "epic devastation" while pedestrians strolled past ignoring him. Believe me, we saw it. Irene got more air time than WW2.
 
2012-10-28 04:58:41 AM
Uh, oh... I just saw where the Weather Channel sent Jim Cantore...

New York City is SCREWED!
 
2012-10-28 07:02:59 AM

intelligent comment below: My apologies, you are so right. All that damage done and the price tag was just a bunch of washed up trees and "some roads"


Sigh. I'm not saying that rainstorm Irene did no damage at all. (It came by my house while it was still an actual hurricane.) I'm just saying that it was hyped to be "historic" and "epic", and it was FAR from that. That's not a troll, it's just true.

As thunderstorms go, it was a buggeroo, and no one is taking that away from you. No one. Wear it with pride.

As for the much trumpeted price tag - that damage was spread out over 2500 miles of coastline, and 15 states, plus one district, from Florida to Maine. Which means that, yes, any given city had a few million in damage. Which is about the price tag of a washed out road, or a few yachts in the marina. But no more than that, and everyone knows it. A few million is the pricetag of repairing some potholes in a road.

I've been through a few actual hurricanes, as well as many rainstorms like Irene. Here's a handy test. If, after the storm you are thinking, "Wow, there's some water in the street, I'll be late for my nail appointment." That was a rainstorm. If you are thinking - "where did my neighborhood go? I see no sign of it." That was a hurricane.

If you are thinking, "Gosh there was some damage down the road, I hope my yacht is okay." That was a thunderstorm. If you are thinking - " Wasn't there a city in this zip code yesterday?", And you mean that 100% literally. That was a hurricane.

For reference - below is picture of what an actual hurricane (not a rainstorm) does.

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-28 09:35:26 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: intelligent comment below: Is that all you think Irene did?

Everyone knows that rainstorm Irene washed out some roads and probably knocked down an old dead tree, that should have been removed anyway. Okay? My sympathies. Sincerely. But there's no need to make it into something it wasn't. We all saw the endless coverage of reporters standing in a very light drizzle discussing the "epic devastation" while pedestrians strolled past ignoring him. Believe me, we saw it. Irene got more air time than WW2.


This right here is what sucks about living in NYS and not NYC. It didn't damage NYC. It did a fark load of damage to NYS.

NYS =/= NYC.

"...some roads and an old dead tree..." your a idiot.
 
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