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2012-10-27 10:08:48 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Cracker.


That's *our* word, you don't get to use that word. You may instead use "biscuits"
 
2012-10-27 10:12:10 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Silly Jesus: So who are these other "quite a few rappers" you're accusing of Black Nation ...

Snoop Dogg tweeted his list of reasons for voting for Obama. "He's Black" was #1.

[i.huffpost.com image 570x570]

Here's a hint for people like you who are unfamiliar with the man's act; Snoop Dogg is not being entirely serious at all times. 

Got anything else? You done now?


So it's supposed to only be rappers that you deem serious?

3.bp.blogspot.com

Yep, I'm done with you now. Toodles.
 
2012-10-27 10:17:33 PM  

Vectron: while a white person cannot walk through a black neighborhood safely?


Yes because all black neighborhoods are violent and crime ridden and there's no such thing as a safe black neighborhood.

/this is what idiots actually believe
 
2012-10-27 10:18:06 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Bisu: Gyrfalcon: intelligent comment below: Bisu: See: http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2008/06/democratic-nomination-voter-tota ls-by.html

2008 Democratic Primary results, by race

Blacks: 85.1% Obama, 14.9% Clinton

That's quite a spread there, wouldn't ya say?

Bush won the white vote in similar fashions. Your point?

Like I keep saying: People of color only vote based on skin tone. White people vote based on a careful consideration of the candidate's position on the issues. Thus, when black people vote for a black candidate: Racism. White people vote for a white candidate: Careful, rational thought. AND NOTHING ELSE.

(Oh, and if black people vote for a white candidate? Careful, rational thought. White people vote for a black candidate? They don't want to look like racists. Got that?)

Perhaps you should have considered the fact that his post was 100% incorrect before using it to support your trolling.

Sarcasm. The word you were looking for is sarcasm. Cracker.


My sarcasm is often too subtle for these folks. It's my curse, subtlety. I need to swap out that 2x4 for something less delicate, like a Peterbilt.
 
2012-10-27 10:18:38 PM  

Silly Jesus: Hickory-smoked: Silly Jesus: So who are these other "quite a few rappers" you're accusing of Black Nation ...

Snoop Dogg tweeted his list of reasons for voting for Obama. "He's Black" was #1.

[i.huffpost.com image 570x570]

Here's a hint for people like you who are unfamiliar with the man's act; Snoop Dogg is not being entirely serious at all times. 

Got anything else? You done now?

So it's supposed to only be rappers that you deem serious?


If you accusation is that there is a movement of Black Americans who only support Obama because they hate whitey, then yeah, maybe you should find an example that is serious instead of unthinkingly repeating what you read off of Free Republic.

Yep, I'm done with you now. Toodles.

Good night!
 
2012-10-27 10:20:59 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Yep. And if I were to go up to my estranged Father and tell him that the only reason he's voting for Romney is because he's white...

Can everyone just shut the fark up? Peas? And carrots too?

/miss my family, but I'm 'doing the devil's work by voting with my vagina'; so, I don't know that I'll ever speak with them again after this...
//fark you Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Tea Party, etc for ruining what used to be a decent family. Now I have no one.
///5th beer today, sorry


So, you're the stupid one?
 
2012-10-27 10:22:36 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Silly Jesus: Hickory-smoked: Silly Jesus: So who are these other "quite a few rappers" you're accusing of Black Nation ...

Snoop Dogg tweeted his list of reasons for voting for Obama. "He's Black" was #1.

[i.huffpost.com image 570x570]

Here's a hint for people like you who are unfamiliar with the man's act; Snoop Dogg is not being entirely serious at all times. 

Got anything else? You done now?

So it's supposed to only be rappers that you deem serious?

If you accusation is that there is a movement of Black Americans who only support Obama because they hate whitey, then yeah, maybe you should find an example that is serious instead of unthinkingly repeating what you read off of Free Republic.

Yep, I'm done with you now. Toodles.

Good night!


1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.
2. Never read Free Republic.

Sweet Dreams!
 
2012-10-27 10:23:00 PM  

Muta: The Republicans are divided on this issue. Here's an interesting artcle from the New Yorker describing the G.O.P. split over whether to emphasize misogyny or racism

[ ... ]



I know you mean well, but Andy Borowitz is not a news journalist. He is a humorist who makes up "funny" stuff at the New Yorker. It's kind of like the Onion but ever-so-slightly less obvious; picture a sledgehammer swaddled in angora.
 
2012-10-27 10:29:59 PM  

Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.


What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?
 
2012-10-27 10:34:32 PM  

Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?


That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.
 
2012-10-27 10:36:18 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Yep. And if I were to go up to my estranged Father and tell him that the only reason he's voting for Romney is because he's white...

Can everyone just shut the fark up? Peas? And carrots too?

/miss my family, but I'm 'doing the devil's work by voting with my vagina'; so, I don't know that I'll ever speak with them again after this...
//fark you Fox, Limbaugh, Beck, Tea Party, etc for ruining what used to be a decent family. Now I have no one.
///5th beer today, sorry


a lot of people struggle with family members who have a different political beliefs then they do. the trick is to realize that as adults we are all strangers to each other, and keep the conversation focus on non-political subjects.

there is a book called "the righteous mind" that came out recently that I really recommend to people who find themselves in this position. the central thesis is that having different answers to particular moral questions than your own, does not make a person immoral.

most people compartmentalize their political/religious beliefs. and arriving at different answers to moral questions, while frustrating, shows that they are not immoral or evil, but instead very concerned about moral behavior.

all this is a long winded way to say good people can sometimes become passionate advocates for opposing viewpoints while remaining "good" people and speaking cordially to each other.

sadly, in this day and age, the younger generation has to be the bigger persons far too often. those we once feared and respected as a demigods (parents) turn out to be people like anyone else, just as capable of becoming scared and confused of a changing world that seems to be passing them by.

still, for what its worth I hope you can patch things up with your parents at least a little bit. assuming they aren't terrible people by nature, as I've grown older, I've come to believe that a strong relationship with your parents is one of the single best things an adult can have. very few other people in this world will ever unquestionably want what is best for you. even if you and them disagree on what exactly that is, their hearts are always in the right place. the older you get, the more you will treasure it.

I hope for your sake, that after next Tuesday fails to begin a thousand year reign of darkness, your parents will slowly start to chill out, and you guys will be able to start patching things up.
 
2012-10-27 10:39:20 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Q. How do all the best Republican jokes begin?


A hypocrite, a Republican, and a closeted gay walk into a bar...
 
2012-10-27 10:40:40 PM  

DeltaPunch: Lenny_da_Hog: Q. How do all the best Republican jokes begin?

A hypocrite, a Republican, and a closeted gay walk into a bar...


They only took up one stool.
 
2012-10-27 10:43:42 PM  

Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.


Anecdotal evidence is the magic number alright.
 
2012-10-27 10:45:22 PM  

runcible spork: He is a humorist who makes up "funny" stuff at the New Yorker.


That doesn't mean his work doesn't contain insight into the workings of things. Same with The Onion, sure it's satire but often there is some damn good insight involved.
 
2012-10-27 10:48:59 PM  
i18.photobucket.com

"My...party is...full..of...racists!"
 
2012-10-27 10:51:08 PM  

Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Anecdotal evidence is the magic number alright.


You don't think that that may have been a common sentiment among AfAm's who experienced the civil rights movement?
 
2012-10-27 10:54:00 PM  

Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.


Can you give a reason why that is "not the correct number to look at", other than because it destroys your entire argument? Your anecdote should be more convincing why exactly?
 
2012-10-27 10:54:31 PM  

Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Anecdotal evidence is the magic number alright.

You don't think that that may have been a common sentiment among AfAm's who experienced the civil rights movement?


So anecdotal evidence from a troll trumps actual statistics. Got it.
 
2012-10-27 10:55:53 PM  

Silly Jesus:
That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.


That Obama's being black inspired the patriotic duty of citizens (of any race) to vote in this country, considering our history, does not "reek of racism". I know you understand this as you hint around at the matter. It was a proud and overdue moment for us all.
 
2012-10-27 10:57:19 PM  

Abner Doon: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Can you give a reason why that is "not the correct number to look at", other than because it destroys your entire argument? Your anecdote should be more convincing why exactly?


Um...because that's not the point that I've been trying to make?

I don't know that any statistics on what we were talking about were collected. I sort of doubt it...so other than anecdotes and common sense, I can't really "prove" anything to you. Oh well.
 
2012-10-27 10:58:01 PM  

Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Anecdotal evidence is the magic number alright.

You don't think that that may have been a common sentiment among AfAm's who experienced the civil rights movement?

So anecdotal evidence from a troll trumps actual statistics. Got it.


You have statistics on the number of AfAm's that voted solely because Obama was black? I'd love to see them.
 
2012-10-27 10:59:29 PM  

Ablejack: Silly Jesus:
That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

That Obama's being black inspired the patriotic duty of citizens (of any race) to vote in this country, considering our history, does not "reek of racism". I know you understand this as you hint around at the matter. It was a proud and overdue moment for us all.


I see both sides of the thing. I see the "proud moment in history" angle but it is also, factually, "I'm voting for X because his skin is X."
 
2012-10-27 11:00:05 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Vectron: I may not be back.
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I put that guy on ignore in the very first thread I saw him in. I'm not usually that fast.

Here's a hint for people like you who are unfamiliar with the man's act; Snoop Dogg is not being entirely serious at all times.

Oh Snoopy. You da man.  Let's smoke a bowl together.
 
2012-10-27 11:00:35 PM  

Silly Jesus: You have statistics on the number of AfAm's that voted solely because Obama was black? I'd love to see them.


That was your claim you mouthbreather.

So I'll ask again. What percentage of black Americans voted for Kerry and Gore?
 
2012-10-27 11:00:49 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: DemonEater: Wow, seriously? That really sucks.
Just remember you have a sort of dysfunctional, incestuous, mentally ill second family here on Fark. You can even come over for Thanksgiving, as long as you bring beer and don't mind that tenpoundsofmoron is a distant cousin who comes and spreads feces on the bathroom wall.

/Seriously though, find yourself a group of liberals/secularist friends and you'll have a new family pretty damn quick.

Yeah, I'm done with them. It wasn't just this election cycle; I was told my ex putting me in the hospital was my fault for not obeying his ridiculous demands of control. It took the DA actively barring them from the courthouse when the ex was put on trial for them to finally get it... kind of...

Thanks, that's why I'm here on a Saturday :) I's gots a group of other misfits coming over for Thanksgiving turkey, too!
/no poop on the walls allowed though


fark. Ignore my schmaltzy post above. I was talking about your garden variety bakes-you-cookies-and-changes-your-oil-while-mentioning-a-forwarded-em ail-proving-Obama-is-the-AntiChrist sort of parents. There's a lot of those in Kansas.

But I know in the bottom of my heart that my parents, bless their Derpy little hearts would never take the side of am abusive spouse over me.

And I am so so sorry for you that you don't know that for your self. No child should be made to feel that way. Hope you have a support network strong enough to replace the one they owed you as their child. Make those people, the good people in your life, your family. And god bless you all.

Sorry again for my tactlessness
 
2012-10-27 11:03:24 PM  

Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Anecdotal evidence is the magic number alright.

You don't think that that may have been a common sentiment among AfAm's who experienced the civil rights movement?

So anecdotal evidence from a troll trumps actual statistics. Got it.

You have statistics on the number of AfAm's that voted solely because Obama was black? I'd love to see them.


The actual statistics have shown the overwhelming majority of African Americans have voted Democratic since Kennedy and LBJ. May have had something to do with the whole "pushing for and signing the civil rights act" deal.

It's not surprising a group would stick with the party that first acknowledged that they were equal to them.

And before you trot out Lincoln, remember that the Emancipation Proclamation made them free, not equal.
 
2012-10-27 11:05:28 PM  

Halli: Silly Jesus: You have statistics on the number of AfAm's that voted solely because Obama was black? I'd love to see them.

That was your claim you mouthbreather.

So I'll ask again. What percentage of black Americans voted for Kerry and Gore?


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-27 11:06:36 PM  

Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: You have statistics on the number of AfAm's that voted solely because Obama was black? I'd love to see them.

That was your claim you mouthbreather.

So I'll ask again. What percentage of black Americans voted for Kerry and Gore?

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Now the picspam starts. Lovely.
 
2012-10-27 11:06:57 PM  

Silly Jesus: Abner Doon: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Can you give a reason why that is "not the correct number to look at", other than because it destroys your entire argument? Your anecdote should be more convincing why exactly?

Um...because that's not the point that I've been trying to make?

I don't know that any statistics on what we were talking about were collected. I sort of doubt it...so other than anecdotes and common sense, I can't really "prove" anything to you. Oh well.


You're arguing that a significant number of black people voted for Obama because he is black, correct? That would easily show up in the simple percentage of black people that voted for Obama vs. those that have voted for other politicians with similar views. So why would you not look at the people who voted for Kerry? How is that not where you'd obviously look?
 
2012-10-27 11:08:18 PM  

stoli n coke: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Anecdotal evidence is the magic number alright.

You don't think that that may have been a common sentiment among AfAm's who experienced the civil rights movement?

So anecdotal evidence from a troll trumps actual statistics. Got it.

You have statistics on the number of AfAm's that voted solely because Obama was black? I'd love to see them.

The actual statistics have shown the overwhelming majority of African Americans have voted Democratic since Kennedy and LBJ. May have had something to do with the whole "pushing for and signing the civil rights act" deal.

It's not surprising a group would stick with the party that first acknowledged that they were equal to them.

And before you trot out Lincoln, remember that the Emancipation Proclamation made them free, not equal.


Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that AfAm's who don't ordinarily vote, voted for the first time or for the first time in a while solely because of Obama and his race. A lot registered to vote because hip hop stars told them to etc. There was a movement because AfAm's were proud to have made such progress, and that's entirely understandable. I just don't understand the adamant denial by the libs that this took place.
 
2012-10-27 11:08:23 PM  

Silly Jesus: Ablejack: That Obama's being black inspired the patriotic duty of citizens (of any race) to vote in this country, considering our history, does not "reek of racism". I know you understand this as you hint around at the matter. It was a proud and overdue moment for us all.

I see both sides of the thing. I see the "proud moment in history" angle but it is also, factually, "I'm voting for X because his skin is X."


I understand and I believe we both in fact see both sides. We differ in that only you find it "reeks of racism", whereas I felt racism was somewhat overcome.
 
2012-10-27 11:09:15 PM  

WhyteRaven74: runcible spork: He is a humorist who makes up "funny" stuff at the New Yorker.

That doesn't mean his work doesn't contain insight into the workings of things. Same with The Onion, sure it's satire but often there is some damn good insight involved.



Of course it doesn't. Fiction so often provides more insight than dry reportage. I just wanted to make sure that Muta understood the whence and the context, since he presented it here as an article, and seemingly a factual one.
 
2012-10-27 11:09:59 PM  

Abner Doon: Silly Jesus: Abner Doon: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Can you give a reason why that is "not the correct number to look at", other than because it destroys your entire argument? Your anecdote should be more convincing why exactly?

Um...because that's not the point that I've been trying to make?

I don't know that any statistics on what we were talking about were collected. I sort of doubt it...so other than anecdotes and common sense, I can't really "prove" anything to you. Oh well.

You're arguing that a significant number of black people voted for Obama because he is black, correct? That would easily show up in the simple percentage of black people that voted for Obama vs. those that have voted for other politicians with similar views. So why would you not look at the people who voted for Kerry? How is that not where you'd obviously look?


PA had a black person (who happened to be a former player for the Pittsburgh Steelers) run on the GOP ticket for Governor against Ed Rendell and African-Americans still voted for Ed Rendell overwhelmingly.

Soo....yeah.
 
2012-10-27 11:11:08 PM  

Silly Jesus: Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that AfAm's who don't ordinarily vote, voted for the first time or for the first time in a while solely because of Obama and his race. A lot registered to vote because hip hop stars told them to etc. There was a movement because AfAm's were proud to have made such progress, and that's entirely understandable. I just don't understand the adamant denial by the libs that this took place.


Probably because you're an idiotic troll who trotted out your lame anecdotal evidence in support of your inane theory.
 
2012-10-27 11:12:19 PM  
It would not bother me if anyone who voted for Obama listed "because he is black" among their reasons.
 
2012-10-27 11:13:31 PM  

Silly Jesus: stoli n coke: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Anecdotal evidence is the magic number alright.

You don't think that that may have been a common sentiment among AfAm's who experienced the civil rights movement?

So anecdotal evidence from a troll trumps actual statistics. Got it.

You have statistics on the number of AfAm's that voted solely because Obama was black? I'd love to see them.

The actual statistics have shown the overwhelming majority of African Americans have voted Democratic since Kennedy and LBJ. May have had something to do with the whole "pushing for and signing the civil rights act" deal.

It's not surprising a group would stick with the party that first acknowledged that they were equal to them.

And before you trot out Lincoln, remember that the Emancipation Proclamation made them free, not equal.

Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that AfAm's who don't ordinarily vote, voted for the first time or for the first time in a while solely because of Obama and his race. A lot registered to vote because hip hop stars told them to etc. There was a movement because AfAm's ...


Hip hop stars have been telling people to vote and who to vote for since Clinton in 96. Remember "Vote or Die?"
Hell, Eminem put out a song telling people to vote Dubya out of office. It gets them extra publicity.

But you have lots of hearsay and conjecture, and those are "kinds of evidence." 

Anyway, I get your point. Both sides racist, so vote Republican.
 
2012-10-27 11:16:27 PM  
I came by this thread hoping to find a weak argument to pick apart. Instead I'm just finding a massively target-rich environment for improving my ignore list.
 
2012-10-27 11:17:39 PM  

Halli: Silly Jesus: Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that AfAm's who don't ordinarily vote, voted for the first time or for the first time in a while solely because of Obama and his race. A lot registered to vote because hip hop stars told them to etc. There was a movement because AfAm's were proud to have made such progress, and that's entirely understandable. I just don't understand the adamant denial by the libs that this took place.

Probably because you're an idiotic troll who trotted out your lame anecdotal evidence in support of your inane theory.


I've noticed that you resort to name calling a lot.
 
2012-10-27 11:17:44 PM  

stoli n coke: The actual statistics have shown the overwhelming majority of African Americans have voted Democratic since Kennedy and LBJ. May have had something to do with the whole "pushing for and signing the civil rights act" deal.


Those are the statistics for people who voted. The actual percentage of eligible African Americans who voted at all was barely above 50%. Certainly not an overwhelming majority of African Americans as a whole voting for any particular party. In 2008, the number of eligible African Americans who voted jumped 20%. Of course you can't ascribe any one motivation to why African American turnout suddenly leaped in 2008, but you'd have to be absolutely farking stupid to believe that race wasn't a factor.
 
2012-10-27 11:18:29 PM  

stoli n coke: Silly Jesus: stoli n coke: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: 1. I never called it a movement. I merely suggested that black Americans voting based solely on race is not a myth. And that I deem it just as racist as the idiots voting against Obama solely because he's black.

What percentage of blacks do you think that voted for Gore and Kerry?

That's not the correct number to look at. It's the number that voted for the first time or for the first time in a good while, for Obama, because he's black. The janitor at work is in his 50's and never voted before. He didn't try to keep it a secret that he was voting for the first time because a black man was running. He spoke of his wife doing the same thing. I don't think that this mentality was entirely uncommon. I completely understand why he did it and don't necessarily fault him for it, but "I'm voting for X because his skin is X" still reeks of racism.

Anecdotal evidence is the magic number alright.

You don't think that that may have been a common sentiment among AfAm's who experienced the civil rights movement?

So anecdotal evidence from a troll trumps actual statistics. Got it.

You have statistics on the number of AfAm's that voted solely because Obama was black? I'd love to see them.

The actual statistics have shown the overwhelming majority of African Americans have voted Democratic since Kennedy and LBJ. May have had something to do with the whole "pushing for and signing the civil rights act" deal.

It's not surprising a group would stick with the party that first acknowledged that they were equal to them.

And before you trot out Lincoln, remember that the Emancipation Proclamation made them free, not equal.

Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that AfAm's who don't ordinarily vote, voted for the first time or for the first time in a while solely because of Obama and his race. A lot registered to vote because hip hop stars told them to etc. There was a movement b ...


Nope. Both sides are racist, so vote libertarian or Mickey Mouse.
 
2012-10-27 11:19:46 PM  

MisterTweak: I came by this thread hoping to find a weak argument to pick apart. Instead I'm just finding a massively target-rich environment for improving my ignore list.

 

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2012-10-27 11:20:23 PM  
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2012-10-27 11:22:18 PM  

CreamFilling: stoli n coke: The actual statistics have shown the overwhelming majority of African Americans have voted Democratic since Kennedy and LBJ. May have had something to do with the whole "pushing for and signing the civil rights act" deal.

Those are the statistics for people who voted. The actual percentage of eligible African Americans who voted at all was barely above 50%. Certainly not an overwhelming majority of African Americans as a whole voting for any particular party. In 2008, the number of eligible African Americans who voted jumped 20%. Of course you can't ascribe any one motivation to why African American turnout suddenly leaped in 2008, but you'd have to be absolutely farking stupid to believe that race wasn't a factor.


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2012-10-27 11:22:57 PM  

Silly Jesus: Nope. Both sides are racist, so vote libertarian or Mickey Mouse.


Both are a waste of a good vote.

/Hey-o!
 
2012-10-27 11:24:09 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: My party, unfortunately, is the bastion of those people -- not all of them, but most of them -- who are still basing their positions on race. Let me just be candid: My party is full of racists, and the real reason a considerable portion of my party wants President Obama out of the White House has nothing to do with the content of his character, nothing to do with his competence as commander-in-chief and president, and everything to do with the color of his skin, and that's despicable.

The man is correct. The Republican power base -- i.e., most of the rich people in the U.S. -- cannot pull in enough votes on its own to win elections. So, they go after the right-wing kooks, which include the "conservative" religious zealots and the white supremacist bigots (those are not mutually exclusive btw) and a vast majority of the undereducated hotheads. I don't believe in my heart that the true core of the Republican party really likes having most of these idiots in their constituency, but from a vote-count perspective they really have no choice but to court them. I would think that most of the real leadership in the Republican party finds a significant portion of their constituency to be repugnant at best. They see it as a necessary evil.


"I don't wanna bang that beast, but damn, her daddy's loaded and I need the money, so I'll just nail the pre-nup to the bedpost, whine about it to all my friends, and stuff that beast's muffin."

Really? That's the best the GOP can do?
 
2012-10-27 11:24:38 PM  

Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that AfAm's who don't ordinarily vote, voted for the first time or for the first time in a while solely because of Obama and his race. A lot registered to vote because hip hop stars told them to etc. There was a movement because AfAm's were proud to have made such progress, and that's entirely understandable. I just don't understand the adamant denial by the libs that this took place.

Probably because you're an idiotic troll who trotted out your lame anecdotal evidence in support of your inane theory.

I've noticed that you resort to name calling a lot.


Only against obvious trolls.
 
2012-10-27 11:26:26 PM  

Halli: Silly Jesus: Halli: Silly Jesus: Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that AfAm's who don't ordinarily vote, voted for the first time or for the first time in a while solely because of Obama and his race. A lot registered to vote because hip hop stars told them to etc. There was a movement because AfAm's were proud to have made such progress, and that's entirely understandable. I just don't understand the adamant denial by the libs that this took place.

Probably because you're an idiotic troll who trotted out your lame anecdotal evidence in support of your inane theory.

I've noticed that you resort to name calling a lot.

Only against obvious trolls.


And again...
 
2012-10-27 11:27:07 PM  

Ablejack: It would not bother me if anyone who voted for Obama listed "because he is black" among their reasons.


One reason I'm voting for Obama this year because he is not Mormon.

I have to admit, that's one of the reasons.
 
2012-10-27 11:28:02 PM  

Silly Jesus: CreamFilling: stoli n coke: The actual statistics have shown the overwhelming majority of African Americans have voted Democratic since Kennedy and LBJ. May have had something to do with the whole "pushing for and signing the civil rights act" deal.

Those are the statistics for people who voted. The actual percentage of eligible African Americans who voted at all was barely above 50%. Certainly not an overwhelming majority of African Americans as a whole voting for any particular party. In 2008, the number of eligible African Americans who voted jumped 20%. Of course you can't ascribe any one motivation to why African American turnout suddenly leaped in 2008, but you'd have to be absolutely farking stupid to believe that race wasn't a factor.

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John Kerry got 88% of the African American vote in 2004.
Link

4 years later, Obama got about 93% of the African American vote.

That's not an earth shaking increase.
 
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