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(Slate)   "Assassin's Creed 3 manages to be not only one of the best, most visceral examinations of the history of the Revolutionary War. It's also possibly the first mainstream look at Native American history that isn't pandering or offensive"   (slate.com) divider line 142
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2012-10-27 09:44:17 AM
i cannot wait to get my hands on this. i loved all three parts of AC2 (haven't played AC1, but i've heard it's not nearly as good as its sequels).
 
2012-10-27 10:38:00 AM
We've pre-ordered our copy from Amazon. So excited!!
 
2012-10-27 01:09:01 PM
Same here, can't wait, already pre-ordered, etc. But...I'm not sure how keen I am on Washington's role, at least what I've read about it.
 
2012-10-27 01:30:23 PM
George Washington doesn't pay Connor in beads?
 
2012-10-27 01:42:27 PM
So, telling the truth about how white people committed genocide on the native population is now pandering?
 
2012-10-27 01:42:56 PM
Whatever, paleface.
 
2012-10-27 01:43:38 PM

FlashHarry: (haven't played AC1, but i've heard it's not nearly as good as its sequels).


It's not, but it's worth a playthrough, provided you're not a completionist. The story is good, but it's so drawn out between menial tasks.
 
2012-10-27 01:46:45 PM

RedPhoenix122: FlashHarry: (haven't played AC1, but i've heard it's not nearly as good as its sequels).

It's not, but it's worth a playthrough, provided you're not a completionist. The story is good, but it's so drawn out between menial tasks.


I've tried the first one and found it awful. I will try this third one though, it really does look awesome.
 
2012-10-27 01:51:45 PM

Klippoklondike: I've tried the first one and found it awful. I will try this third one though, it really does look awesome.


I enjoyed 2 and Brotherhood, never got Revelations because I was tired of it and Ubisoft lately.
 
2012-10-27 01:58:00 PM

BSABSVR: George Washington doesn't pay Connor in beads?


LOL.
 
2012-10-27 02:23:20 PM
I want to play this, mostly because it's set in Boston and I'm curious how much of the geography of the city I'd recognize.

My game designer housemate says it's remarkably detailed.
 
2012-10-27 02:40:59 PM

shivashakti: I want to play this, mostly because it's set in Boston and I'm curious how much of the geography of the city I'd recognize.

My game designer housemate says it's remarkably detailed.


Be sure to get a CharlieCard at the Scollay Square station and change at Jamacia Plain.
 
2012-10-27 02:43:37 PM
There's also the HBO miniseries John Adams, which won 13 Emmys in 2008 but wasn't exactly a popular sensation. And for all its considerable merits, the seven-part miniseries didn't have the budget (or the desire) to present the day-to-day of American life under British rule or the major battles that ended it.

I'm reading that book now. Adams was away from Boston for almost the entirety of the war in Philadelphia, Paris and Amsterdam. So, it wouldn't have.
 
2012-10-27 02:57:40 PM
The first downloadable add-on that's been announced for AC3 is a counterfactual sequel in which George Washington solves the postwar turmoil by becoming a tyrannical monarch.

This actually might have almost happened. Washington was supposedly approached by a group of ex-Revolutionary War officers who asked him to lead a popular revolt against the new government because the weak government under the Articles of Confederation wasn't liked that much.

I say 'might have' because it is in dispute if Washington was ever approached in this manner.
 
2012-10-27 03:11:18 PM
If this sounds a little unpleasant, that's because it is. Colonial Boston is boldly, fascinatingly ugly. It's relentlessly brown-the docks are brown, as are the fences, the wood-sided buildings, and the clothes on most passersby. "The irony is that the game you see is far less brown than it was," Hutchinson says. "We spent a lot of time telling the art director, 'Everything's brown,' and he would say, 'But everything was brown.' "

I chuckled.
 
2012-10-27 03:13:11 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Be sure to get a CharlieCard at the Scollay Square station and change at Jamacia Plain.


Heh.
 
2012-10-27 03:32:59 PM

FlashHarry: i cannot wait to get my hands on this. i loved all three parts of AC2 (haven't played AC1, but i've heard it's not nearly as good as its sequels).


I probably wouldn't have continued with the series if I had started with AC1. AC2 was a fantastic game, and the multi-player in Brotherhood was brilliant. Can't wait for AC3.
 
2012-10-27 03:36:19 PM

shivashakti: I want to play this, mostly because it's set in Boston and I'm curious how much of the geography of the city I'd recognize.

My game designer housemate says it's remarkably detailed.


They did a fantastic job with Rome and Istanbul. One of the few "Whoa" moments I've had playing a game was when I sent Ezio crawling up the outside of the dome of the Pantheon, climbing inside the dome and then crawling down the inner face. I didn't think that was possible in a game.
 
2012-10-27 04:12:56 PM

GAT_00: There's also the HBO miniseries John Adams, which won 13 Emmys in 2008 but wasn't exactly a popular sensation. And for all its considerable merits, the seven-part miniseries didn't have the budget (or the desire) to present the day-to-day of American life under British rule or the major battles that ended it.

I'm reading that book now. Adams was away from Boston for almost the entirety of the war in Philadelphia, Paris and Amsterdam. So, it wouldn't have.


If you haven't already, read Franklin's autobiography when you're done, I found it to be a very interesting look at the same time period through different eyes. And the way each of them thought about the other is quite amusing.
 
2012-10-27 04:35:31 PM

Klippoklondike: I've tried the first one and found it awful. I will try this third one though, it really does look awesome.


the second series is worth your time. they take place during the italian renaissance. it's worth it just to wander the streets of florence, venice, and rome. (and constantinople in the last one)
 
2012-10-27 04:45:17 PM

GAT_00: There's also the HBO miniseries John Adams, which won 13 Emmys in 2008 but wasn't exactly a popular sensation. And for all its considerable merits, the seven-part miniseries didn't have the budget (or the desire) to present the day-to-day of American life under British rule or the major battles that ended it.

I'm reading that book now. Adams was away from Boston for almost the entirety of the war in Philadelphia, Paris and Amsterdam. So, it wouldn't have.


I thought the miniseries was excellent.
 
2012-10-27 04:53:08 PM
I thought that everybody knew that Washington's nickname among the Cherokee was "Town Burner.
 
2012-10-27 04:54:54 PM

RedPhoenix122: So, telling the truth about how white people committed genocide on the native population is now pandering?


Fun fact: The vast majority of Natives that died were from unintentional contact with eastern diseases.
 
2012-10-27 05:02:32 PM

Frank N Stein: RedPhoenix122: So, telling the truth about how white people committed genocide on the native population is now pandering?

Fun fact: The vast majority of Natives that died were from unintentional contact with eastern diseases.


Well, mostly unintentional.
 
2012-10-27 05:03:27 PM

give me doughnuts: I thought that everybody knew that Washington's nickname among the Cherokee was "Town Burner.


Well if there's only one vaguely misleading thing about the article it's that the native Americans - with very few exceptions, almost entirely limited to the South - generally openly sided with the British, for a host of very good reasons. Washington and said natives were in open war.

It'll be interesting to see how the game portrays it.

Frank N Stein: RedPhoenix122: So, telling the truth about how white people committed genocide on the native population is now pandering?

Fun fact: The vast majority of Natives that died were from unintentional contact with eastern diseases.


And the vast majority of the Natives that were left alive after that were killed or pushed West into crappier and crappier land in the explicit name of white supremacy, something that was openly a major cornerstone of Jacksonian Democracy. Then when they tried to spread out into "white land" to actually feed themselves, the Federal government sent in the Army. Majority rules indeed.
 
2012-10-27 05:03:29 PM

shower_in_my_socks: GAT_00: There's also the HBO miniseries John Adams, which won 13 Emmys in 2008 but wasn't exactly a popular sensation. And for all its considerable merits, the seven-part miniseries didn't have the budget (or the desire) to present the day-to-day of American life under British rule or the major battles that ended it.

I'm reading that book now. Adams was away from Boston for almost the entirety of the war in Philadelphia, Paris and Amsterdam. So, it wouldn't have.

I thought the miniseries was excellent.


Yeah, I liked it. But because of the series, I wasn't expecting the book to be biographical, I was expecting a semi-historical first person story.
 
2012-10-27 05:09:21 PM
Should add that my source for the "almost entirely sided with the British except for a couple examples in the South" statement is The Glorious Cause: The American Revolution by Robert Middlekauff for the Oxford University History of the US. It's pretty broad in what it covers and as such might be making generalizations I'm not aware of, and a more specific look at the Native American tribes' relationship with the Rebels and the British might prove to be a better source on the subject. If such contradictory sources exist, the thoroughness of the AC3 team probably found them.
 
2012-10-27 05:10:16 PM
Purchased AC1 when I first bought my PS3. I dont recall it being a launch title, but it was the first time I saw HD graphics at my house. I was impressed. Then came the excruciatingly long cut scenes, and the clunky game play. I dont think I accomplished any objectives in that game and I have never played any subsequent releases. Sounds like I might have missed out.
 
2012-10-27 05:16:08 PM
I never even bothered educating myself about the AC games, because of their DRM. But I read Ubisoft broke under the pressure, so if this one has such an interesting plot and decent gameplay, I may check it out.

I used to subscribe to PC Gamer, and I don't remember if it was AC or AC2, but the review started, "Assassin's Creed (2) is a great game. Don't buy it."
 
2012-10-27 05:26:12 PM

LiberalWeenie: I never even bothered educating myself about the AC games, because of their DRM. But I read Ubisoft broke under the pressure, so if this one has such an interesting plot and decent gameplay, I may check it out.

I used to subscribe to PC Gamer, and I don't remember if it was AC or AC2, but the review started, "Assassin's Creed (2) is a great game. Don't buy it."


I'm getting so sick of PC games and their problems. I have AC1, AC2, and AC2B on Xbox and enjoy them with the controller. I just had to delete a game from steam and set it to redownload because somehow in the last week, files got spontaneously corrupted.
 
2012-10-27 05:32:43 PM
I'm excited. Never played an AC game before but have wanted to. Preordered from target for the red coat character and the $5 gift card
 
2012-10-27 05:48:42 PM

tdpatriots12: give me doughnuts: I thought that everybody knew that Washington's nickname among the Cherokee was "Town Burner.

Well if there's only one vaguely misleading thing about the article it's that the native Americans - with very few exceptions, almost entirely limited to the South - generally openly sided with the British, for a host of very good reasons. Washington and said natives were in open war.

It'll be interesting to see how the game portrays it.

Frank N Stein: RedPhoenix122: So, telling the truth about how white people committed genocide on the native population is now pandering?

Fun fact: The vast majority of Natives that died were from unintentional contact with eastern diseases.

And the vast majority of the Natives that were left alive after that were killed or pushed West into crappier and crappier land in the explicit name of white supremacy, something that was openly a major cornerstone of Jacksonian Democracy. Then when they tried to spread out into "white land" to actually feed themselves, the Federal government sent in the Army. Majority rules indeed.


So they sided with the enemy and when they lost, suffered for it? Sounds like every war ever.
 
2012-10-27 05:51:01 PM
"Assassin's Creed 3 manages to be not only one of the best, most visceral examinations of the history of the Revolutionary War. It's also possibly the first mainstream look at Native American history that isn't pandering or offensive"
That's impressive, if true, given that the game industry is filled with uncultured douchebags and losers.
 
2012-10-27 05:54:33 PM
Do they still have the stupid DRM?
 
2012-10-27 05:55:15 PM
Now, if UbiSoft would just stop pandering to game controllers instead of wasd + mouse. I hate controllers.
 
2012-10-27 05:56:03 PM

RedPhoenix122: So, telling the truth about how white people committed genocide on the native population is now pandering?


Eh, there's nobel savage myth that everything was great and everyone lived in harmony in a land of plenty.
 
2012-10-27 05:56:31 PM

Jjaro: tdpatriots12: give me doughnuts: I thought that everybody knew that Washington's nickname among the Cherokee was "Town Burner.

Well if there's only one vaguely misleading thing about the article it's that the native Americans - with very few exceptions, almost entirely limited to the South - generally openly sided with the British, for a host of very good reasons. Washington and said natives were in open war.

It'll be interesting to see how the game portrays it.

Frank N Stein: RedPhoenix122: So, telling the truth about how white people committed genocide on the native population is now pandering?

Fun fact: The vast majority of Natives that died were from unintentional contact with eastern diseases.

And the vast majority of the Natives that were left alive after that were killed or pushed West into crappier and crappier land in the explicit name of white supremacy, something that was openly a major cornerstone of Jacksonian Democracy. Then when they tried to spread out into "white land" to actually feed themselves, the Federal government sent in the Army. Majority rules indeed.

So they sided with the enemy and when they lost, suffered for it? Sounds like every war ever.


Whatever do you mean? I'm about to cash in my family's hoard of Confederate War Bonds and retire!
 
2012-10-27 05:56:54 PM

DemoKnite: Purchased AC1 when I first bought my PS3. I dont recall it being a launch title, but it was the first time I saw HD graphics at my house. I was impressed. Then came the excruciatingly long cut scenes, and the clunky game play. I dont think I accomplished any objectives in that game and I have never played any subsequent releases. Sounds like I might have missed out.


AC2 is almost a completely different game. The gameplay is a lot better and some of the repetitive control schemes were tossed out. The voice acting is great and the facial graphics are good enough that emotions are properly conveyed as opposed to the uncanny valley masks you usually get. The cities are beautiful and feel like they're alive as opposed to GTA where the people just seem to be wandering about. I usually don't like first person multiplayer, but this multiplayer is a hell of a lot of fun, especially if you're with the right group.
 
2012-10-27 06:00:50 PM

Mentat: I usually don't like first person multiplayer, but this multiplayer is a hell of a lot of fun, especially if you're with the right group.


Wait a second. Assassin's Creed isn't first person though.

/if it were, I'd be all over it. Medieval Mirror's Edge... drooool....
 
2012-10-27 06:02:44 PM
I've been tempted with picking this up. I didn't like the first AC, didn't play any afterwards. I've heard they've improved things a lot.

Additionally, as someone who teaches American history to college students, I'm really interested to see how they treat Washington and the other historical figures. That DLC sounds like a lot of fun, if nothing else.
 
2012-10-27 06:09:03 PM
I need to know, does AC have puzzles? I hate puzzles.
 
2012-10-27 06:27:43 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I need to know, does AC have puzzles? I hate puzzles.


Not in the traditional sense. There are several physical puzzles where you have to do certain moves in a limited time. Sometimes a very limited time and not always super obvious. Still, not really puzzles.
 
2012-10-27 06:29:31 PM

ChubbyTiger: Now, if UbiSoft would just stop pandering to game controllers instead of wasd + mouse. I hate controllers.


It was made for consoles, so good luck. Just play it with a controller like it was meant to.
 
2012-10-27 06:31:22 PM
I have no idea what the gameplay is like here. Can someone summarize based on AC2 what this is similar to?

Recent games that I played: FO3, FONV, Skyrim, Red Dead, Borderlands 2 (current).
Going to buy - Dishonored - likely before I buy this if I decide to.
 
2012-10-27 06:32:16 PM
The British forbade colonial expansion into native lands - probably to keep the colonists from pissing off the French.
 
2012-10-27 06:33:12 PM

UrCa: ChubbyTiger: Now, if UbiSoft would just stop pandering to game controllers instead of wasd + mouse. I hate controllers.

It was made for consoles, so good luck. Just play it with a controller like it was meant to.


Much as I like the games, no. No, thank you. Consoles are not my thing.
 
2012-10-27 06:33:44 PM

rev. dave: I have no idea what the gameplay is like here. Can someone summarize based on AC2 what this is similar to?


Tomb Raider + GTA - guns.

Anyone else want to give this a try?
 
2012-10-27 06:35:08 PM

Jjaro: So they sided with the enemy and when they lost, suffered for it? Sounds like every war ever.


While true, it's half the story. A big part of the reason they sided with the enemy in the first place was the prediction that if the Rebels won, they'd lose anyway. They did what they could to prevent that from happening, and it didn't work out.

That said, the justification for policies such as Indian removal hardly needed to - and wouldn't have stooped to the level of bothering - cite the allegiance of any given Native American tribe to the Crown during the revolution. The justification was white supremacy, and that was more than enough for American voters.
 
2012-10-27 06:48:58 PM
Just recently found out that I have to wait until November 23 for my PC copy of this game. Can any Farkers give me a quick rundown on why that is? Is it a "longer production time" thing for the PC version, or more of a marketing ploy?
 
2012-10-27 06:56:58 PM
I can't say I didn't expect this. I farking love this series.
 
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