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(Yahoo)   Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad: Romney on economy, President Obama 'made the problem worse'   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 34
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2012-10-27 09:24:22 AM  
6 votes:
Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month, lowering unemployment and doubling the stock market is worse than the financial collapse we had after 8 years of Republican mismanagement.

Sure, a collapsed economy with huge corporations going bankrupt nearly daily, tent cities loaded with homeless children, millions of Americans losing their life savings and retirement funds was MUCH more desirable than what we have now.

Good GOD Romney is a lying f*cktard.
2012-10-27 06:00:40 PM  
3 votes:
Let's pretend the headline is true. How is Romney going to make the economy better?

He doesn't answer any substantive details whatsoever and yet half the country is still going to vote for him. Suckers, every last one.
2012-10-27 05:32:47 PM  
3 votes:

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.
2012-10-27 04:39:07 PM  
3 votes:

EvilEgg: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month, lowering unemployment and doubling the stock market is worse than the financial collapse we had after 8 years of Republican mismanagement.

Sure, a collapsed economy with huge corporations going bankrupt nearly daily, tent cities loaded with homeless children, millions of Americans losing their life savings and retirement funds was MUCH more desirable than what we have now.

Good GOD Romney is a lying f*cktard.

Well, if you are still obscenely wealthy, that scenario is more desirable. You can get servants so much cheaper.


That's the interesting problem though. The end goal of the neo-aristocrats is the revival of feudalism, but they have literally NO PLAN for how to keep the nation, nay the WORLD policed and the peasants controlled when they finally "drown government in the bathtub." They don't have stockpiles of weapons, they don't have loyal paramilitary "bannermen" to guard their properties, they often don't have a plan for when existing currency ceases to have value, they just think the system they actively try to destroy will somehow still be there forever for them to exploit and attack.
2012-10-27 03:38:43 PM  
3 votes:
I try to take politicians' words in stride, but I am really starting to hate Romney. How can you just openly and blatantly lie every minute of every day and get away with it? Are we really that far gone as a population that we can't even agree on empirical facts?
2012-10-27 01:53:41 PM  
3 votes:
He's such a lying sack of shiat. I cannot fathom how anybody would see that this guy would make a decent President.
2012-10-27 09:35:55 AM  
3 votes:
the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?
2012-10-27 04:28:10 PM  
2 votes:
you know what, fark you romney. Just personally, I've gotten a decent new job, am getting another degree, and am closing on a house this wednesday. I'm much better off than I was on jan 19th 2008. but I guess since I don't make enough to pay income tax and have taken advantage of pell grants, and local home-buyer grants I'm a horrible leech on society.

fark you with a rusty spoon, you've never had to work for anything for a day in your life. you've never worried about where you were going to sleep. Never had to pick between a meal, and enough gas to get to work. How anyone who isn't a trust fund baby can vote for this fark I'll never understand.
2012-10-27 02:52:12 PM  
2 votes:

ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.


Only if you believe math and reality.
2012-10-27 01:37:49 PM  
2 votes:

Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.


I'm still going with: GOP immediately declares an Obama win illegitimate due to whatever and sets up a government-in-exile.

The house will start impeachment proceedings the day after the inauguration.
2012-10-27 12:22:09 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.

Yes, but we have the advantage of the fact that Romney doesn't hold any kind of office, so nobody's going to listen to him except the right-wing media.


Palin.
2012-10-29 02:35:57 AM  
1 votes:

armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.

As I have written above, my IRA has doubled since Obama took office. During Bush's 8 years, it barely went up 25% net.

Apparently you know little about investing. No matter who is president, something is doing good. You just have to have a good adviser, like I do. Obama is a twunt. He farked up the economy, and should be impeached for violating the War Powers Act. But you SF people are too busy walking around naked to know anything about history or economics.


Here's the thing. I don't know enough about investing. I work with Vanguard. I put my money in various funds in Vanguard. I'm not prone to move my money around. I do the long-term pick and hold. I picked in Clinton's term and held. And held through Bush's and held through to Obama. I made maybe 3 changes the whole time (once in '98, once in 2008 and once in 2010). If I did more of what I should have done, I would have moved everything from Clinton's time, which was almost all in equity, into bonds during Bush's time, then move back to equity during Obama's time. If so, I wouldn't have lost that much during Bush's time and would gain even more in Obama's term.
2012-10-28 06:07:33 AM  
1 votes:

Nucleus: No. But republiclowns are kidding themselves if they think they can convince everyone that the grass on their side of the street is greener.


Convince everyone? Definitely not.
Convince themselves? Well, that's all they are interested in to begin with.

All they have to do is keep clicking their heels together and repeating the instructed phrase

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2012-10-27 10:48:49 PM  
1 votes:

Mentat: Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.

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You done proving my point about how you and others don't actually face the facts that prove you wrong and instead change the argument to fit facts you do like?

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I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.
2012-10-27 10:31:20 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.


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2012-10-27 06:31:43 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


I'm financially doing (far) better now than I was in 2008, so I'm pretty much immune to the argument that the Republicans know more about managing a business or balancing a checkbook than the Democrats.

/ clarification: both parties fail at this stuff, it's just that the Republicans fail epically at it.
// I remember when GWB signed off on a "stimulus package", got a $600 check in the mail...madness...
/// where were the "fiscally conservative" Republicans back then?
2012-10-27 06:23:18 PM  
1 votes:
Just as a thought exercise - let's say that, in truth and in fact, the mechanic is doing too slow a job of fixing our car. Is the logical response to hand the keys back to the morans that wrecked it to begin with?
2012-10-27 06:11:26 PM  
1 votes:

TheBigJerk: randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.

Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.


To be fair, you can't call those standard iterations of neoconservatism/Reaganomics "Bush's policies".
He never had an idea in his life - he just did and said what his handlers told him to - and most of he damage was done when he took office - it was the culmination of a quarter century of Neoconservative policy.
2012-10-27 05:56:17 PM  
1 votes:

3_Butt_Cheeks: YoungSwedishBlonde: 3_Butt_Cheeks: ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.

Reality, economists tend to disagree.

Wait, which conspiracy are you going to go with? U6 vs U3 numbers? BLS forging numbers? People lying to surveyors to help Obama?

HURRR DURRR.


The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies.
2012-10-27 05:19:44 PM  
1 votes:

heypete: tenpoundsofcheese: The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

The article states otherwise: "Growth so far this year is slightly less than in 2011, which was weaker than 2010."

The economy is still growing, just not as much as it was. It's still a step in the right direction, albeit a small one.

Anything else you care to pull out of your ass?


Funny thing how growth has slowed after we elected a Republican House.
2012-10-27 05:12:08 PM  
1 votes:
My friend on facebook posted his status to say 'I just absentee voted for Obama' and one of his replies, lets call her "Sandy" said 'My friends have been nothing but screwed by Obama's policies' I replied with "Sandy has millionaire friends?!!?"

That got about 30 likes
2012-10-27 05:12:03 PM  
1 votes:
I was a Republican until I realized they weren't for smaller government and I realized I wasn't a complete batshiat crazy conspiracy theorist.
2012-10-27 05:08:53 PM  
1 votes:

guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.


Being a successful businessman is admirable. But it doesn't qualify you for a successful political career.

Running the Olympics is admirable. But it doesn't qualify you for a successful political career.

Serving as a state Governor is admirable, and it's a great indicator of success in your political career.

In this case, we have a Governor who vetoed over 800 bills (90% of which were overridden) and left office with a 30% approval rating while putting as much distance as possible between himself and his state healthcare reform. Mitt Romney does not have a successful political career.

And as I've said before... when you bat .210 in the minors, nobody should look at your name when it's time to review the starting lineup in the major league.
2012-10-27 04:34:35 PM  
1 votes:
ftfa: Romney personalized his message at Friday's final campaign stop on frigid night in North Canton, Ohio: "How many single moms these days are scrimping and saving so they can put a good meal on the table at the end of the day for their kids?" Romney asked with Ryan at his side, later adding, "It's time to have a president and a vice president who care more about the people than care about politics.

Wait, what?

Vote for the GOP because they CARE MOAR?

Who the fark do they think they are kidding with that shiat?

Same with them playing the "the real problem is that Obama and the Dems haven't been bipartisan enough" card.

Republicans view compassion and empathy as weakness as a rule and the GOP in Congress, particularly the Teahadists of 2010, have been the most partisan, radical, obstructive politicians in living memory.

Every. Word. They. Say. Is. A. Lie.
2012-10-27 04:22:15 PM  
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: The secret is even more tax cuts. It will totally work this time.


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2012-10-27 04:19:55 PM  
1 votes:
Romney openly lied on matters he did not understand. Again, and again, and again. He is literally clueless.
2012-10-27 04:15:58 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: Where do you


Honestly, I'd like to see him put his money where his mouth is. After losing the election, Romney should position himself to take over a failing company like Kodak or HP or Amtrak. Let's see if he actually has the business skills that he claims he does, or if that was all just BS too.

Then in ten years, whenever Biff or Thwack or whatever his son's name is runs for office, he can talk about the business success of both his father and his grandfather.
2012-10-27 04:13:56 PM  
1 votes:
Really, things are worse now? We're doomed? We're not losing a half million jobs every month. The dow has nearly doubled. Consumer debt is lower. Foreclosures are down. Repossessions (auto) are down. Personal Bankruptcies are down. I'd rather not turnaround, but thanks for your concern.
2012-10-27 04:03:11 PM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Total BS on both sides. no matter who was in office the economy would have gotten better much like it will in the next 4 years regardless of who is picked. those who make the money won't let it be in the dumps for too long


You mean the people who begged the government to come save them?
2012-10-27 03:58:47 PM  
1 votes:
Romney is Satanic evil. At best.
2012-10-27 01:57:28 PM  
1 votes:
This one's going to thrash around a lot as it circles the drain. Best to stand back out of harm's way.

Obama now has an 88-95% chance of winning based on the PEC model. 74% odds based on 538's model, which is better than Obama's chances were before the DNC. Both models predict O's EV take to be in the 290's. As Sam Wang at PEC puts it, "the cake is baked."
2012-10-27 11:34:41 AM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.


Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.
2012-10-27 10:55:44 AM  
1 votes:
The only truth is that Romney actually said that.
2012-10-27 10:53:19 AM  
1 votes:
10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.
 
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