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2012-10-27 11:39:58 PM  
Hey MrBogey, are you the same guy who trolls Wackbag.com with your nonsense? DonTheTrucker and MayrMeninoCrash say hi.
 
2012-10-28 12:04:23 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The idea that there could be multiple causes for things is way beyond this derpster's ability to comprehend. If there are several reasons for anything, and one of them COULD be that it's Obama's fault, then his default reason for that thing is that it IS Obama's fault; and furthermore that it's Obama's fault because of some nefarious and evil purpose to destroy America that only he (the derpster) understands.

You could show him charts and lay out logical reasons why oil revenues in Louisiana are down--both things Obama can control and things Obama cannot control--and he will latch onto only the things Obama can control and infer that Obama is doing these things SOLELY to destroy the oil companies that create money for Louisiana conservatives so that he can rule the world. There's no point in arguing otherwise with him. Facts like oil-rig destruction with Hurricanes Katrina and Ike, decreased ability to drill due to lack of manpower and equipment, regulatory shutdowns under EPA guidelines to improve safety that Obama could not override, shifts in demand due to increased production in other parts of the country...none of these matter to the derpster. His only concern right here and now is that we're not drilling in Louisiana and he can blame it on Obama. You might as well be arguing with a wall.


I read that in David Attenborough's voice.
 
2012-10-28 12:07:36 AM  

Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.


Two years? Try the rest of or damn lives. They'll make the 2000 Florida argument look reasoned and brief.
 
2012-10-28 12:28:02 AM  

Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.

Maybe you should stand somewhere else.

Easy to say, very hard to do. And there is no guarantee that there are accounting jobs available for 63 year old ex-Controllers with 40 years experience in other areas.

I've tried to get lower level accounting jobs but, of course, I'm overqualified. The problem is that there is room for only one Accounting Manager or Controller in any given company, and right now there is a dearth of companies. I've talked to people at Robert Half and they've indicated things are still pretty dismal nationwide for upper level accounting slots.

There is, of course, the double whammy of the Middle Class Curse: making too much for public assistance and too little to get the medical help my wife needs on my own. Psych meds are expensive.

Are you trying to tell me that a guy your age not being able to find a job in your field has something to do with Obama? Seriously?


Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?
 
2012-10-28 12:29:53 AM  
derp
 
2012-10-28 12:34:25 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?


Serious question:

Do you think the economy is better or worse now than it was in 2009?
 
2012-10-28 12:39:47 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.

Maybe you should stand somewhere else.

Easy to say, very hard to do. And there is no guarantee that there are accounting jobs available for 63 year old ex-Controllers with 40 years experience in other areas.

I've tried to get lower level accounting jobs but, of course, I'm overqualified. The problem is that there is room for only one Accounting Manager or Controller in any given company, and right now there is a dearth of companies. I've talked to people at Robert Half and they've indicated things are still pretty dismal nationwide for upper level accounting slots.

There is, of course, the double whammy of the Middle Class Curse: making too much for public assistance and too little to get the medical help my wife needs on my own. Psych meds are expensive.

Are you trying to tell me that a guy your age not being able to find a job in your field has something to do with Obama? Seriously?

Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?


Well, the economy isn't really shiatty at all, so you're wrong about that. What made the economy shiatty was undeniably Republican policies that have led to the outsourcing of jobs and the deregulation of banks that get to create assets wholesale and then value them however they want until the market gets wise, at which point we taxpayers have to bail them out or they'll kill the paper money market and other important loan-giving markets and plunge the country into depression.
 
2012-10-28 12:50:19 AM  
Yes, yes, Romney is a shameless liar who doesn't even care if you call his lies out, he just keeps telling them anyway.

Nothing new there. Or the liars in this thread trying to defend him, all of whom are already on my killfile for being shameless liars themselves.
 
2012-10-28 01:25:30 AM  

Mentat: Gyrfalcon: The idea that there could be multiple causes for things is way beyond this derpster's ability to comprehend. If there are several reasons for anything, and one of them COULD be that it's Obama's fault, then his default reason for that thing is that it IS Obama's fault; and furthermore that it's Obama's fault because of some nefarious and evil purpose to destroy America that only he (the derpster) understands.

You could show him charts and lay out logical reasons why oil revenues in Louisiana are down--both things Obama can control and things Obama cannot control--and he will latch onto only the things Obama can control and infer that Obama is doing these things SOLELY to destroy the oil companies that create money for Louisiana conservatives so that he can rule the world. There's no point in arguing otherwise with him. Facts like oil-rig destruction with Hurricanes Katrina and Ike, decreased ability to drill due to lack of manpower and equipment, regulatory shutdowns under EPA guidelines to improve safety that Obama could not override, shifts in demand due to increased production in other parts of the country...none of these matter to the derpster. His only concern right here and now is that we're not drilling in Louisiana and he can blame it on Obama. You might as well be arguing with a wall.

I read that in David Attenborough's voice.


[bows] I'm flattered.
 
2012-10-28 01:26:08 AM  

Mrbogey: I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.


Uh, your very own graph shows that it's approved leases on BLM land. The BLM does the leases. Decides which land to lease, makes up the contracts, examines the bids, gives out the permits. Duuuhhhhh.

/used to work for them.
 
2012-10-28 01:44:42 AM  
I continue to chuckle at Republicans, in their quest to smear Obama, continue to outright admit that Reaganomics is bullsh*t.

The stock market is high. Taxes are low (especially on the wealthiest among us) and riddled with loopholes (that, again, especially benefit the wealthiest Americans). Thus, the rich are richer than ever. And yet, the less-wealthy classes are only recovering slowly at best. And despite all this, they'll continue to insist that, after THIS round of deregulation, tax cuts and corporate handouts, the wealth will start to really trickle down!
 
2012-10-28 02:08:31 AM  
So Romney does actually admit that Bush did actually f*ck up the country. Interesting.

Whatever it takes to win, I guess.
 
2012-10-28 02:12:23 AM  

whidbey: So Romney does actually admit that Bush did actually f*ck up the country. Interesting.

Whatever it takes to win, I guess.


The official Republican party line seems to be 'He-who-shall-not-be-named farked up the country, sure. But Obama didn't clean up fast enough! Therefore, elect Romney, who will roll the nation's policies back to ~November '08 (except with troops in Iran instead of Iraq), then cut taxes EVEN MORE.'
 
2012-10-28 02:45:47 AM  
Here it is for the GOP clowns working overtime to convince voters that things are terrible:
Is the country better off than it was 4 years ago? Well, take a look at your 401k, take a look at unemployment - these numbers are both better than they were the day Bush left office. Is it spectacular? Is it amazing? No. But republiclowns are kidding themselves if they think they can convince everyone that the grass on their side of the street is greener.
 
2012-10-28 03:02:34 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?


Sorry, but a guy your age is not going to find a job in your field. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Start a little tax business or something. Nobody is going to hire you.
 
2012-10-28 03:29:42 AM  

intelligent comment below: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?

Sorry, but a guy your age is not going to find a job in your field. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Start a little tax business or something. Nobody is going to hire you.


His online persona is a lie. He's a 20-something kid shilling for conservatives because he was taught in the military that Republicans are the party of God


Even if it not, it's not his age, it's his attitude that keeps him from being hired. Virtually guaranteed.
 
2012-10-28 03:31:56 AM  

Gyrfalcon: intelligent comment below: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?

Sorry, but a guy your age is not going to find a job in your field. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Start a little tax business or something. Nobody is going to hire you.


His online persona is a lie. He's a 20-something kid shilling for conservatives because he was taught in the military that Republicans are the party of God

Even if it not, it's not his age, it's his attitude that keeps him from being hired. Virtually guaranteed.


Clearly all lies. NOTHING is ever a Republican's fault. It's always the fault of the Democrats, or the minorities, or the Liberal Media™.

But remember, they're the party of Personal Responsibility!
 
2012-10-28 04:05:46 AM  

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


Citation STILL needed.
 
2012-10-28 04:21:12 AM  

armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.


DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
 
2012-10-28 05:02:33 AM  

dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.

Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.
 
2012-10-28 05:29:18 AM  

intelligent comment below: armoredbulldozer: Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.


You sound really really tired


I'm wide awake actually. I keep a different schedule.
 
2012-10-28 05:34:09 AM  

Mrbogey: He specifically shut down a large chunk of the oil industry in Louisiana by declaring a moratorium on drilling. Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done.


Yes, after the Deepwater Horizon went "boom" and it was shown that the regulators weren't doing their jobs. It makes sense to put a temporary moratorium on new drilling until they can get things sorted out. That doesn't seem remotely unreasonable.

The US is currently producing record amounts of oil and is on track to be #1 in the world in terms of oil production (ahead of Saudi Arabia). The US has had four straight years of increasing crude oil production and this year has seen the biggest single-year gain since 1951.

He did the same with the Keystone pipeline.

He objected to the Keystone pipeline's proposed route because it went over major aquifers that supplied water to the bulk of the food-producing regions of the country. An oil leak could have compromised the aquifer and caused enormous damage to the ability of the US to produce food. He has no objections to the pipeline itself, just the proposed routing. Republicans were trying to push his reasoned opposition to a potentially-dangerous route as "ZOMG HE'S OPPOSING THE PIPELINE" when that simply wasn't true.

Also, most of the oil moved through the pipeline would be exported and not used in the US. Is that really what we want? The number of long-term jobs that would be created or maintained due to the pipeline are relatively small.

And should we even get into what the ACA has done to the insurance industry?

Yes, please. The ACA was a massive handout to insurance companies.
 
2012-10-28 06:07:33 AM  

Nucleus: No. But republiclowns are kidding themselves if they think they can convince everyone that the grass on their side of the street is greener.


Convince everyone? Definitely not.
Convince themselves? Well, that's all they are interested in to begin with.

All they have to do is keep clicking their heels together and repeating the instructed phrase

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2012-10-28 08:14:59 AM  

armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.


As I have written above, my IRA has doubled since Obama took office. During Bush's 8 years, it barely went up 25% net.
 
2012-10-28 08:23:40 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Nucleus: No. But republiclowns are kidding themselves if they think they can convince everyone that the grass on their side of the street is greener.

Convince everyone? Definitely not.
Convince themselves? Well, that's all they are interested in to begin with.

All they have to do is keep clicking their heels together and repeating the instructed phrase

After all,
the economy has always been good under Republicans,
the economy has always been ruined under Democrats.

After all, the economy has always been good under Republicans, the economy has always been ruined under Democrats.

After all, the economy has always been good under Republicans, the economy has always been ruined under Democrats.After all,the economy hasalways beengood underRepublicans, theeconomy hasalways beenruined underDemocrats.

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Nice wall of derp...

Now go beat off to MSNBC, moran.
 
2012-10-28 08:51:39 AM  

lantawa: Now go beat off to MSNBC, moran.


as a moran, i should probably get a brain

I don't really watch any cable news channels...
but as to your suggestion, if I had to beat off to any news channel,
thesocietypages.org
it would be cnbc money or nothing at all
 
2012-10-28 08:59:45 AM  

MurphyMurphy: lantawa: Now go beat off to MSNBC, moran.

as a moran, i should probably get a brain

I don't really watch any cable news channels...
but as to your suggestion, if I had to beat off to any news channel,
[thesocietypages.org image 368x278]
it would be cnbc money or nothing at all


I concur. Happy Elections.....
 
2012-10-28 10:05:55 AM  

Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?

Sorry, but a guy your age is not going to find a job in your field. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Start a little tax business or something. Nobody is going to hire you.


Yeah, I'm been coming to that conclusion myself. The modern corporate concern with image (packaging) means the companies are going after the young squirts straight out of college. They don't really have to know shiat about accounting (I've hired - and fired - a few in my day) by if they know how to make a spiffy Powerpoint presentation they're in like flint.

My wife tells me I'm "too old, too fat and too white" to compete.

Also, after 500+ resumes sent out, I'm just farking tired of the bullshiat. I busted my butt for 40+ years working 10+ hours per day, made a good chunk of money, and paid a lot of taxes to support a lot of people. My turn. My strategy is to get occasional temp accounting jobs to refresh the UI, do some occasional under-the-table spreadsheet work, eventually get the Section 8 "Shelter + Care" voucher, and hang on until my Social Security gets maxed. I'm working on a couple of novels.
 
2012-10-28 10:07:32 AM  

Diagonal: Please note the operative qualifier. The programs were not originated by Bush nor were the adopted programs the same as those originally proposed during Bush's final days in office.

But thanks for trying.


Yeah, about that. 

The Energy Department's loan guarantee program was created as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by Bush.
 
2012-10-28 10:21:56 AM  

Mrbogey: It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.


I guess when you mandate that coal workers attend Romney rallies it would seem that way. Gotta catapult the propaganda.

I'm sure the fishing industry in Louisiana shares your concern about food being taken from their tables.

Yeah, who needed a moratorium. After all BP said their rig was safe. If another incident had occurred you could then blame Obama for that one too.
 
2012-10-28 11:29:32 AM  

heypete: Yes, after the Deepwater Horizon went "boom" and it was shown that the regulators weren't doing their jobs. It makes sense to put a temporary moratorium on new drilling until they can get things sorted out. That doesn't seem remotely unreasonable.


Except to the judge who suspended the moratorium because the administration didn't use sound reasoning. When a model of car is found to have a defect, they recall that model. They don't shut down every vehicle. The moratorium shut down projects that weren't anywhere near as risky as the Deepwater Horizon.

heypete: He objected to the Keystone pipeline's proposed route because it went over major aquifers that supplied water to the bulk of the food-producing regions of the country. An oil leak could have compromised the aquifer and caused enormous damage to the ability of the US to produce food.


This is a myth-
Link

It's especially noteworthy as a myth as there's already several pipeline running across the aquifer.

heypete: Also, most of the oil moved through the pipeline would be exported and not used in the US. Is that really what we want?


Most of the oil produced by the tar sands isn't going to be used in the US anyway. Coincidentally, a major Obama contributor bought up the rails it'll be transported on just before Obama canceled it. Talk about clever investing.

Fart_Machine: I guess when you mandate that coal workers attend Romney rallies it would seem that way.


Except they didn't.

It's telling when such an obvious lie is so popularly embraced. But you see, you live in an echo chamber. Everyone else here wants it to be true so they keep reaffirming the lie. Same as with the oil production.

Fart_Machine: I'm sure the fishing industry in Louisiana shares your concern about food being taken from their tables.


Yup, the president really has shown he doesn't care about them. Wanna guess how Louisiana's fisherman are gonna vote this year?

Fart_Machine: Yeah, who needed a moratorium. After all BP said their rig was safe. If another incident had occurred you could then blame Obama for that one too.


And yet the courts ruled the moratorium was too broad and arbitrary. Why is that the people who have to look at the evidence arrived at different conclusions that your kneejerk reaction?

But don't let facts affect your beliefs. You stay just as "unique" as you are.
 
2012-10-28 12:27:50 PM  

Mrbogey: t's telling when such an obvious lie is so popularly embraced. But you see, you live in an echo chamber. Everyone else here wants it to be true so they keep reaffirming the lie. Same as with the oil production.


So that must be why they made the meeting mandatory? I like it repeats the War on Coal myth. Before we get LOLThinkProgress you might want to explain why coal jobs have increased. That echo chamber might be your head.

Mrbogey: Yup, the president really has shown he doesn't care about them. Wanna guess how Louisiana's fisherman are gonna vote this year?


LOLWUT? I guess we need more oil spills to show he really cares?

Mrbogey: When a model of car is found to have a defect, they recall that model. They don't shut down every vehicle.


Wow that's a dumb analogy. Yeah, proposing a moratorium in a particular region to re-evaluate regulations after the worst spill in US history is totally unreasonable.

Mrbogey: And yet the courts ruled the moratorium was too broad and arbitrary.


Judicial activism at its finest
 
2012-10-28 12:57:20 PM  

Fart_Machine: So that must be why they made the meeting mandatory?


Except no roll was taken. Mandatory yet no keeping tabs of personnel attending. How's your brain wrap that one together?

Fart_Machine: I like it repeats the War on Coal myth. Before we get LOLThinkProgress you might want to explain why coal jobs have increased. That echo chamber might be your head.


Link
www.votefacts.org

Fart_Machine: Wow that's a dumb analogy. Yeah, proposing a moratorium in a particular region to re-evaluate regulations after the worst spill in US history is totally unreasonable.


Again, I know your kneejerk reaction is to view it as reasonable. The people in the industry and the courts disagree with you. The facts disagree with you.

Fart_Machine: Judicial activism at its finest


Uhhh...

In overturning the moratorium, the judge said he could not find adequate justification for its "immense scope." For one thing, he noted, it prohibited drilling at depths of 500 feet or more -- not 1,000 feet, as some experts consulted by the agency had recommended. (The Interior Department, by the way, didn't do itself any favors by making it seem as if the experts supported the 500-foot moratorium.) For another, the government did not show any risk of safety problems on the 33 other deepwater rigs already drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

As Feldman put it, "Are all airplanes a danger because one was?" Well, no, but if one model of airplane has demonstrated safety problems, the government can ground similar ones to check for problems. And if there is no way to manage the results of a crash -- if you can't even get ambulances to the scene -- then you might want to err on the side of caution.


But the pelicans!

Even the author only decides it's judicial activism solely because the judge overturned the administration... because that's what the left believes judicial activism is. Telling the gov't "no, it can't."
 
2012-10-28 01:04:23 PM  
Note: Before you go "But ThinkProgress says jobs are up!"

They looked only at West Virginia. Coal mining exists outside of one state. Again, that goes back to how when the facts aren't on your side you find a metric that does support it.
 
2012-10-28 01:11:19 PM  
Oh, missed that they also looked at Virginia's coal mining employment. But only in percentage.

You're probably wondering why I neglected Pennsylvania. Because they only talked of percentile change in employment in coal connected jobs and not total actual coal mining jobs.
 
2012-10-28 01:14:23 PM  
I like how your chart omits data prior to 2009 which shows a significant increase compared to the last decade. It also covers more than West Virginia. Reading comprehension is hard apparently.
 
2012-10-28 02:26:34 PM  

Fart_Machine: I like how your chart omits data prior to 2009 which shows a significant increase compared to the last decade. It also covers more than West Virginia. Reading comprehension is hard apparently.


Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about Obama and how it was since he took office. Sorry I blew apart your false narrative that coal workers have more work today than they did in January 2009.
 
2012-10-28 02:51:30 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Lando Lincoln: He's such a lying sack of shiat. I cannot fathom how anybody would see that this guy would make a decent President.

There are those that believe the lies, no matter how blatantly obvious they are


Yeah, only about half the population of the United States.
 
2012-10-28 03:12:57 PM  

Mrbogey: Fart_Machine: I like how your chart omits data prior to 2009 which shows a significant increase compared to the last decade. It also covers more than West Virginia. Reading comprehension is hard apparently.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about Obama and how it was since he took office. Sorry I blew apart your false narrative that coal workers have more work today than they did in January 2009.


So you're saying that Bush had a War on Coal since the number of workers in the industry was the same or lower that Obama?

Yeah I'm the one with the narrative here. You're funny.
 
2012-10-28 03:21:26 PM  

Fart_Machine: Mrbogey: t's telling when such an obvious lie is so popularly embraced. But you see, you live in an echo chamber. Everyone else here wants it to be true so they keep reaffirming the lie. Same as with the oil production.

So that must be why they made the meeting mandatory? I like it repeats the War on Coal myth. Before we get LOLThinkProgress you might want to explain why coal jobs have increased. That echo chamber might be your head.

Mrbogey: Yup, the president really has shown he doesn't care about them. Wanna guess how Louisiana's fisherman are gonna vote this year?

LOLWUT? I guess we need more oil spills to show he really cares?

Mrbogey: When a model of car is found to have a defect, they recall that model. They don't shut down every vehicle.

Wow that's a dumb analogy. Yeah, proposing a moratorium in a particular region to re-evaluate regulations after the worst spill in US history is totally unreasonable.

Mrbogey: And yet the courts ruled the moratorium was too broad and arbitrary.

Judicial activism at its finest


So much Derp here and so little time. I don't know where you work but mandatory and optional have different meanings. And since you didn't read the WP article why not say so instead of whining about it being "pro-Obama".
 
2012-10-28 08:25:39 PM  

dericwater: armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.

As I have written above, my IRA has doubled since Obama took office. During Bush's 8 years, it barely went up 25% net.


Apparently you know little about investing. No matter who is president, something is doing good. You just have to have a good adviser, like I do. Obama is a twunt. He farked up the economy, and should be impeached for violating the War Powers Act. But you SF people are too busy walking around naked to know anything about history or economics.
 
2012-10-28 09:19:42 PM  
 
2012-10-28 09:37:24 PM  

intelligent comment below: armoredbulldozer: like I do.


Yes of course, another conservative concerned troll who is smart, rich, and very successful. Sounds legit


Oh, so just because I don't like Obama I'm a troll?
 
2012-10-28 09:39:20 PM  

intelligent comment below: armoredbulldozer: But you SF people are too busy walking around naked to know anything about history or economics.


You just admitted you have to have a financial adviser because you know nothing about economics. So now which is it? Are you so smart you can do it on your own or are you so dumb you need to PAY someone to invest for you?


Well, you have to have some smarts to make it all work. I'll retire at age 55 in spite of Obama farking up our country.
 
2012-10-29 02:35:57 AM  

armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.

As I have written above, my IRA has doubled since Obama took office. During Bush's 8 years, it barely went up 25% net.

Apparently you know little about investing. No matter who is president, something is doing good. You just have to have a good adviser, like I do. Obama is a twunt. He farked up the economy, and should be impeached for violating the War Powers Act. But you SF people are too busy walking around naked to know anything about history or economics.


Here's the thing. I don't know enough about investing. I work with Vanguard. I put my money in various funds in Vanguard. I'm not prone to move my money around. I do the long-term pick and hold. I picked in Clinton's term and held. And held through Bush's and held through to Obama. I made maybe 3 changes the whole time (once in '98, once in 2008 and once in 2010). If I did more of what I should have done, I would have moved everything from Clinton's time, which was almost all in equity, into bonds during Bush's time, then move back to equity during Obama's time. If so, I wouldn't have lost that much during Bush's time and would gain even more in Obama's term.
 
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