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2012-10-27 06:23:11 PM  
Clinton's term: started my IRA. Put in about $20k value in 1/2001 was about $90k. At end of Bush's term: $112k. Currently: $225k. So which party has been good for my IRA? Democratic party by a long shot.

If another GOP ever hold the POTUS office, I'm moving all my money into Money market or very safe bonds to wait out the disaster.
 
2012-10-27 06:23:18 PM  
Just as a thought exercise - let's say that, in truth and in fact, the mechanic is doing too slow a job of fixing our car. Is the logical response to hand the keys back to the morans that wrecked it to begin with?
 
2012-10-27 06:24:59 PM  

jso2897: Nobody smart is saying that. It would be a meaningless, subjective attempt to discuss a fluid phenomenon as a static one, and incapable of being true or false.


Oh you damn Austrians and your hatred of quantifiable data!

Funny, when times are so bad even the metrics suck it's time we start soft qualitative comparisons.

Yes, things are bad... but they could be worse!!!
 
2012-10-27 06:29:19 PM  
Mitt Romney = a chode.
 
2012-10-27 06:31:43 PM  

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


I'm financially doing (far) better now than I was in 2008, so I'm pretty much immune to the argument that the Republicans know more about managing a business or balancing a checkbook than the Democrats.

/ clarification: both parties fail at this stuff, it's just that the Republicans fail epically at it.
// I remember when GWB signed off on a "stimulus package", got a $600 check in the mail...madness...
/// where were the "fiscally conservative" Republicans back then?
 
2012-10-27 06:31:52 PM  

gameshowhost: Mitt Romney = a chode.


Yep. And they all know it. But he's their chode, so they are now actually cupping the balls when they're giving him a blowie.

All that's left is the swallowing.
 
2012-10-27 06:33:10 PM  

clkeagle: TheBigJerk: Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.

You forgot vilifying public schools, keeping minimum wage well below inflation levels, and presiding over the steepest climbs in college and health care costs in US history. I'm going out on a limb and guessing those were also contributing factors.


True, I probably left out more than that, but I'm sleepy today.

I mean, there's a LOT I don't like that Obama, most of the democrats in the legislature, and/or the liberal talking heads support that aren't a good idea, economically speaking. But we've tried Reaganomics for the lion's share of the last 30 years and it has failed every. single. time. We have graft and corruption and wasted spending that need to be attacked instead of ignored but the GOP has shown NO interest in doing it. They want to make it WORSE if anything.
 
2012-10-27 06:34:08 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: I didn't say it was "pretty good". I said it was getting better


And I was responding to someone else originally, before you felt the need to interject your conspiracy theories.

intelligent comment below: Son. You don't even have a degree in IT, stop trying to pretend you know the first thing about economics.


Your obsession with my education still provides amusement.
 
2012-10-27 06:39:30 PM  

intelligent comment below: Yeah showing the economy has completely recovered from the month 0bama took office is just a "soft comparison" that's typical biased and useless. You're just not that bright either.


We're still not recovered. Get it straight. And if you think 4 years is not enough time then you've shown you don't care about history. Historically we've been lower and historically we've recovered faster. But your guy is blameless. Something went wrong... Republicans were somewhere... it must have been them. Let's not actually look at the details.

intelligent comment below: How many jobs were people losing every month under Bush?


Until the last few months they were growing. Something must have happened in the 2006 election cycle to cause that... because that's how economies work. If the economy falters it means the last elected guy get's the blame/credit.
 
2012-10-27 06:41:04 PM  

intelligent comment below: Mrbogey: Funny, when times are so bad even the metrics suck it's time we start soft qualitative comparisons.


Yeah showing the economy has completely recovered from the month 0bama took office is just a "soft comparison" that's typical biased and useless. You're just not that bright either.

Mrbogey: Yes, things are bad... but they could be worse!!!


How many jobs were people losing every month under Bush?


You have to ignore him...he believes in a mythic time when life was perfect, the economy was balanced, there were no poor people (at least none worth mentioning), America was the supreme Super Power and had no enemies, politicians were Perfect and never told untruths to their people, colored people knew their place (in the fields and kitchens), and nothing went wrong. All this once existed and can exist again if only the right person was in the White House...and it's hard to know who that might be, because I guarantee you if Romney was there, this freak would be biatching within six months about the same things he's biatching about now. And for just about the same reasons.
 
2012-10-27 06:42:45 PM  
Legit question: has anyone estimated how many net jobs Bain Capital's holdings established in the US since 1998? Does it work out to be a positive number, or did they play the wage arbitrage game to the hilt? Because you know what guts an economy? Destroying well-compensated positions, resulting in a reduction of demand due to reduced individual purchasing power in exchange for greater concentration of wealth.
 
2012-10-27 06:42:59 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You have to ignore him...he believes in a mythic time when life was perfect, the economy was balanced, there were no poor people (at least none worth mentioning), America was the supreme Super Power and had no enemies, politicians were Perfect and never told untruths to their people, colored people knew their place (in the fields and kitchens), and nothing went wrong. All this once existed and can exist again if only the right person was in the White House...and it's hard to know who that might be, because I guarantee you if Romney was there, this freak would be biatching within six months about the same things he's biatching about now. And for just about the same reasons.


Dear God, that poor... poor strawman. Will you think of its family?
 
2012-10-27 06:50:10 PM  

Kibbler: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.

Yes, but we have the advantage of the fact that Romney doesn't hold any kind of office, so nobody's going to listen to him except the right-wing media.

Palin.

I really don't think that anyone listens to Palin, apart from maybe a small cadre of fanbois and fangrrlz. She can, for now, still shout through her bullhorn, but she's a punchline. The GOP would very much prefer to forget that she ever existed.

That's Romney's fate too, if he doesn't win this election.


That's Romney's fate especially if he wins this election. Romney will be as relevant as GW Bush.
 
2012-10-27 06:50:27 PM  
Anyone ever notice how Mitt Romney keeps saying "I know how to create jobs" but nobody ever asks him a follow up question to that assertion? Is he referring to his business experience? Because there's a big difference between hiring someone to work for a company and getting companies to hire people to work for them. Or is he going to hire 9 million people to work for him? But I thought government doesn't create jobs?

Mitt Romney's business experience is completely, absolutely, 100% irrelevant to steering the national economy. Its like saying you worked at Pepperidge Farm making goldfish and it gives you the experience you need to be the director of the Monterey Bay Aquarium.
 
2012-10-27 06:56:03 PM  

Heel It Down The Drain: What "new evidence" of a failing economy are they referring to?


The GOP agenda to destroy Obama's first term has had some impact. That's your evidence.
 
2012-10-27 07:00:14 PM  

Mrbogey: Until the last few months they were growing. Something must have happened in the 2006 election cycle to cause that... because that's how economies work. If the economy falters it means the last elected guy get's the blame/credit


wat
 
2012-10-27 07:02:03 PM  

Mrbogey: The economic numbers from 2005 are better than today in almost any comparison.


And "Almost any comparison" is? The stock market and that's it? Hmm, good job calling yourself a derper.

Mrbogey: Yea, I know how fun it is to talk shiat. It makes you fell good even though you've accomplished nothing. How hollow is your life that you need to have enemies who are the cause of all of your ills?


And now you're talking to yourself. Time to go back to the institution kiddo, you're not ready for life on the outside.
 
2012-10-27 07:02:56 PM  

Mrbogey: Gyrfalcon: You have to ignore him...he believes in a mythic time when life was perfect, the economy was balanced, there were no poor people (at least none worth mentioning), America was the supreme Super Power and had no enemies, politicians were Perfect and never told untruths to their people, colored people knew their place (in the fields and kitchens), and nothing went wrong. All this once existed and can exist again if only the right person was in the White House...and it's hard to know who that might be, because I guarantee you if Romney was there, this freak would be biatching within six months about the same things he's biatching about now. And for just about the same reasons.

Dear God, that poor... poor strawman. Will you think of its family?


LOL I hope I'm not misconstruing your reply, and that you're not objecting to Gyrfalcon's spot-on commentary here.
 
2012-10-27 07:03:52 PM  
*skims thread*

Oh. She was handing YOU YOUR ass.

Never mind.

Carry on,.
 
2012-10-27 07:10:33 PM  

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


The Bush tax cuts, for one.
 
2012-10-27 07:12:46 PM  

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GDP growth?

Better than Jan 2009?

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3_Butt_Cheeks: Unemployment?

Back to Jan 2009?

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3_Butt_Cheeks: Personal income?

You can thank outsourcing geniuses like Mitt Romney for that.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.

It certainly is when you can see it back to levels when Obama took office, this is even in the face of unprecedented obstruction by Republican opposition. Imagine if he had a veto proof majority. 

Son. You don't even have a degree in IT, stop trying to pretend you know the first thing about economics.


But what about the stock market? Surely you know how THAT has cratered under the commie usurper!!1!
 
2012-10-27 07:20:34 PM  
Romney: Red China? where?
 
2012-10-27 07:27:58 PM  

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Your obsession with my education still provides amusement.


Herp durrrrrrrr .



Well said.
 
2012-10-27 07:30:08 PM  

Linux_Yes: Romney: Red China? where?


Maybe he gets his foreign policy ideas from Billy Joel?
 
2012-10-27 07:36:40 PM  

Mrbogey: jso2897: Nobody smart is saying that. It would be a meaningless, subjective attempt to discuss a fluid phenomenon as a static one, and incapable of being true or false.

Oh you damn Austrians and your hatred of quantifiable data!

Funny, when times are so bad even the metrics suck it's time we start soft qualitative comparisons.

Yes, things are bad... but they could be worse!!!


Lolwut.
 
2012-10-27 07:41:26 PM  
I love how Fark threads turn into a bottleneck of troll derp near the last few...
 
2012-10-27 07:43:43 PM  

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Well said.


DEEEERp pil rage RAGE!!! hurrrr derp derp LIARS!!!1 derp hurrr



Excellent.
 
2012-10-27 07:45:11 PM  
Heh.
 
2012-10-27 08:30:51 PM  
He who increaseth knowledge, increaseth fiscal probity.

/I got nothin'
 
2012-10-27 08:56:18 PM  
I'm voting for Romney because he'll outsource to other countries The Presidency, The Congress, State Legislators, Defense, & Healthcare...thereby saving us taxpayers TRILLION$


/not sure if I'm serious
 
2012-10-27 09:03:21 PM  

NFA: Good GOD Romney is a lying f*cktard.


Yep. But he's a nice, rich, mom-jean-wearing, God-fearing white man, so at least a third of the country will vote for him even as he lies over and over again, right into their stupid, scared faces, because he's "one of them" even as he makes fun of them and disinfects his hand after every shake.
 
2012-10-27 09:07:38 PM  

FormlessOne: "one of them"


geeble gobble, geeble gobble
one of us, one of us
 
2012-10-27 09:24:06 PM  

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.
 
2012-10-27 09:29:49 PM  

Mrbogey: He specifically shut down a large chunk of the oil industry in Louisiana by declaring a moratorium on drilling. Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done. He did the same with the Keystone pipeline.


Yes, that's why Oil Production has increased since he took office.
 
2012-10-27 09:32:38 PM  

MurphyMurphy: FormlessOne: "one of them"

geeble gobble, geeble gobble
one of us, one of us


Always room for more
www.orangejuiceblog.com
 
2012-10-27 09:36:11 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Well said.


DEEEERp pil rage RAGE!!! hurrrr derp derp LIARS!!!1 derp hurrr


Excellent.


Your Masters in Cybersecurity allows you to change posts to what you want them to say?
 
2012-10-27 09:37:03 PM  

Mrbogey: Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done.


ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com

Damn you Obamaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
 
2012-10-27 09:41:11 PM  

Fart_Machine: Mrbogey: Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done.

[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 570x378]

Damn you Obamaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!


Treehuggers blew up the Deepwater Horizon.

/This is what wingnuts actually believe
 
2012-10-27 10:16:08 PM  

Fart_Machine: Mrbogey: He specifically shut down a large chunk of the oil industry in Louisiana by declaring a moratorium on drilling. Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done. He did the same with the Keystone pipeline.

Yes, that's why Oil Production has increased since he took office.


This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.
 
2012-10-27 10:31:20 PM  

Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.


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2012-10-27 10:34:54 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.


Maybe you should stand somewhere else.
 
2012-10-27 10:48:49 PM  

Mentat: Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.

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You done proving my point about how you and others don't actually face the facts that prove you wrong and instead change the argument to fit facts you do like?

cnnmoneytalkback.files.wordpress.com

www.cfact.org

I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.
 
2012-10-27 11:01:50 PM  

Mrbogey: Mentat: Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.

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[imageshack.us image 520x354]

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You done proving my point about how you and others don't actually face the facts that prove you wrong and instead change the argument to fit facts you do like?

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I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.


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2012-10-27 11:10:15 PM  

Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.

Maybe you should stand somewhere else.


Easy to say, very hard to do. And there is no guarantee that there are accounting jobs available for 63 year old ex-Controllers with 40 years experience in other areas.

I've tried to get lower level accounting jobs but, of course, I'm overqualified. The problem is that there is room for only one Accounting Manager or Controller in any given company, and right now there is a dearth of companies. I've talked to people at Robert Half and they've indicated things are still pretty dismal nationwide for upper level accounting slots.

There is, of course, the double whammy of the Middle Class Curse: making too much for public assistance and too little to get the medical help my wife needs on my own. Psych meds are expensive.
 
2012-10-27 11:11:18 PM  

Mrbogey: Mentat: Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.

[imageshack.us image 653x470]

[imageshack.us image 520x354]

[imageshack.us image 225x280]

You done proving my point about how you and others don't actually face the facts that prove you wrong and instead change the argument to fit facts you do like?

[cnnmoneytalkback.files.wordpress.com image 614x340]

[www.cfact.org image 629x357]

I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.


You do realize that drillers are sitting on a lot of those permits because they don't have the equipment or manpower to drill everything all at once...right?
 
2012-10-27 11:11:48 PM  

intelligent comment below: Notabunny: guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.

My sister-inlaw is like that. She's an otherwise intelligent woman. I don't get it.


They both are white Christians.

Tell me I'm wrong


Being a Wizard again, I see. Damn, it must be Kewl to be omniscient.
 
2012-10-27 11:19:51 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: You do realize that drillers are sitting on a lot of those permits because they don't have the equipment or manpower to drill everything all at once...right?


The idea that there could be multiple causes for things is way beyond this derpster's ability to comprehend. If there are several reasons for anything, and one of them COULD be that it's Obama's fault, then his default reason for that thing is that it IS Obama's fault; and furthermore that it's Obama's fault because of some nefarious and evil purpose to destroy America that only he (the derpster) understands.

You could show him charts and lay out logical reasons why oil revenues in Louisiana are down--both things Obama can control and things Obama cannot control--and he will latch onto only the things Obama can control and infer that Obama is doing these things SOLELY to destroy the oil companies that create money for Louisiana conservatives so that he can rule the world. There's no point in arguing otherwise with him. Facts like oil-rig destruction with Hurricanes Katrina and Ike, decreased ability to drill due to lack of manpower and equipment, regulatory shutdowns under EPA guidelines to improve safety that Obama could not override, shifts in demand due to increased production in other parts of the country...none of these matter to the derpster. His only concern right here and now is that we're not drilling in Louisiana and he can blame it on Obama. You might as well be arguing with a wall.
 
2012-10-27 11:20:37 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.

Maybe you should stand somewhere else.

Easy to say, very hard to do. And there is no guarantee that there are accounting jobs available for 63 year old ex-Controllers with 40 years experience in other areas.

I've tried to get lower level accounting jobs but, of course, I'm overqualified. The problem is that there is room for only one Accounting Manager or Controller in any given company, and right now there is a dearth of companies. I've talked to people at Robert Half and they've indicated things are still pretty dismal nationwide for upper level accounting slots.

There is, of course, the double whammy of the Middle Class Curse: making too much for public assistance and too little to get the medical help my wife needs on my own. Psych meds are expensive.


Are you trying to tell me that a guy your age not being able to find a job in your field has something to do with Obama? Seriously?
 
2012-10-27 11:26:06 PM  

Fart_Machine: neenerist: Mrbogey: ...... give billions to companies that would go bankrupt in a few years, follow it all up with a nice speech and good things would happen.

If you know that, why waste your superpowers on Fark? Get out there and short those stocks, live the Republican dream. At that level of certainty it's free money.

Using a loan program that originated under Bush. But he's not really interested in facts.


Please note the operative qualifier. The programs were not originated by Bush nor were the adopted programs the same as those originally proposed during Bush's final days in office.

But thanks for trying.

Mrbogey: Gyrfalcon: You have to ignore him...he believes in a mythic time when life was perfect, the economy was balanced, there were no poor people (at least none worth mentioning), America was the supreme Super Power and had no enemies, politicians were Perfect and never told untruths to their people, colored people knew their place (in the fields and kitchens), and nothing went wrong. All this once existed and can exist again if only the right person was in the White House...and it's hard to know who that might be, because I guarantee you if Romney was there, this freak would be biatching within six months about the same things he's biatching about now. And for just about the same reasons.

Dear God, that poor... poor strawman. Will you think of its family?


Truth is not strawman.
 
2012-10-27 11:39:58 PM  
Hey MrBogey, are you the same guy who trolls Wackbag.com with your nonsense? DonTheTrucker and MayrMeninoCrash say hi.
 
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