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(Yahoo)   Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad: Romney on economy, President Obama 'made the problem worse'   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 244
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2012-10-27 04:59:12 PM  
A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.
 
2012-10-27 05:00:48 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: He's trying to appeal to mouthbreathers who will insist that "Obama's already raised taxes higher than they've been in American history" so it's a fairly target-rich environment.


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2012-10-27 05:01:33 PM  

quatchi: ftfa: Romney personalized his message at Friday's final campaign stop on frigid night in North Canton, Ohio: "How many single moms these days are scrimping and saving so they can put a good meal on the table at the end of the day for their kids?" Romney asked with Ryan at his side, later adding, "It's time to have a president and a vice president who care more about the people than care about politics.

Wait, what?

Vote for the GOP because they CARE MOAR?

Who the fark do they think they are kidding with that shiat?

Same with them playing the "the real problem is that Obama and the Dems haven't been bipartisan enough" card.

Republicans view compassion and empathy as weakness as a rule and the GOP in Congress, particularly the Teahadists of 2010, have been the most partisan, radical, obstructive politicians in living memory.

Every. Word. They. Say. Is. A. Lie.


Hell, they're so twisted and dishonest they can't even get THAT right reliably.
 
2012-10-27 05:03:20 PM  

TheBigJerk: Mrbogey:

Unless pretending it is helps the GOP narrative. Like it did back when the stock market was good but everything else wasn't in 2005. Liberals know this, of course, just as they know that Obama's policies are too far-right to actually grow the economy like it should, but compromise and legislature being what it is we Americans have to accept compromises with idiots and greedy farks.

We'd be better off throwing the bankers in jail, but shills like you have to serve your lords, so we free men must abide.


Nuance, another tool of the libby lib libs. If the Rapepublicans say he is all bad, then the only counter is he is all good.
 
2012-10-27 05:03:37 PM  

Kibbler: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.

Yes, but we have the advantage of the fact that Romney doesn't hold any kind of office, so nobody's going to listen to him except the right-wing media.

Palin.

I really don't think that anyone listens to Palin, apart from maybe a small cadre of fanbois and fangrrlz.


I like to watch her shuck and jive. Women with nice tits make great shuckers and jives.
 
2012-10-27 05:04:20 PM  

guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.


My sister-inlaw is like that. She's an otherwise intelligent woman. I don't get it.
 
2012-10-27 05:07:10 PM  
 
2012-10-27 05:08:25 PM  

guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.


Try pointing out that as a "businessman" Romney specialized in running businesses into the ground then getting bailouts from the government, and even Ayn Rand considered his kind of "Businessman" to be a worthless parasite. It's as likely to work as any other tactic, but at least it's the truth.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:40 PM  

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


Citation needed.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:53 PM  

guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.


Being a successful businessman is admirable. But it doesn't qualify you for a successful political career.

Running the Olympics is admirable. But it doesn't qualify you for a successful political career.

Serving as a state Governor is admirable, and it's a great indicator of success in your political career.

In this case, we have a Governor who vetoed over 800 bills (90% of which were overridden) and left office with a 30% approval rating while putting as much distance as possible between himself and his state healthcare reform. Mitt Romney does not have a successful political career.

And as I've said before... when you bat .210 in the minors, nobody should look at your name when it's time to review the starting lineup in the major league.
 
2012-10-27 05:11:51 PM  

armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation needed.


With the way you troll and threadsh*t thread, nobody owes you anything.

Use Google if you really care about it.
 
2012-10-27 05:12:03 PM  
I was a Republican until I realized they weren't for smaller government and I realized I wasn't a complete batshiat crazy conspiracy theorist.
 
2012-10-27 05:12:08 PM  
My friend on facebook posted his status to say 'I just absentee voted for Obama' and one of his replies, lets call her "Sandy" said 'My friends have been nothing but screwed by Obama's policies' I replied with "Sandy has millionaire friends?!!?"

That got about 30 likes
 
2012-10-27 05:12:35 PM  
How's the stock market doing? Highest ever you say?

/keep lying mitt.
 
2012-10-27 05:13:25 PM  
i365.photobucket.com

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAHHHHHHm AGIN it!"

/Lead, follow or get out of the way.
 
2012-10-27 05:14:26 PM  

NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month


What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.
 
2012-10-27 05:15:11 PM  

armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation needed.


But that would bring facts into the discussion, and we all know those are just a liberal plot.
 
2012-10-27 05:17:14 PM  
Ftfa: "The Republican's statement that it was no time to "double down on trickle down government policies" was eerily like Clinton's criticism at the Democratic convention. "We simply cannot afford to give the reins of government to someone who will double down on trickle down," the former president said, referring to policies he said Republicans had tried in the past with poor results."

Is there a single original thought in the Romney campaign?
 
2012-10-27 05:17:34 PM  

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


Republican policies don't cost money you see. Only Democrats spend money or lose tax revenues.
 
2012-10-27 05:18:44 PM  

Notabunny: guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.

My sister-inlaw is like that. She's an otherwise intelligent woman. I don't get it.


Because economics and politics are a religion to a lot of folk. Facts don't matter, science doesn't matter, anything that goes wrong with demand-side economics is proof they don't work, never did, and are a total lie while anything that goes wrong with supply-side economics is the result of scatter data, not supply-siding hard enough, or the "witchcraft" of hidden "stealth socialism" somehow offending the invisible hand god.

Convincing someone to abandon their economic religion is a very difficult and very complicated thing, and varies widely from person to person.

But one particularly effective tactic is to reduce things to a common denominator so you seem to be agreeing with them by attacking their enemies, then building things back up in the direction you want it to go. Saying something like, "Both sides are bad, so..."

Well I don't have to finish that sentence, do I?

This is also why that meme keeps getting used, BTW. Because it farking works.
 
2012-10-27 05:19:44 PM  

heypete: tenpoundsofcheese: The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

The article states otherwise: "Growth so far this year is slightly less than in 2011, which was weaker than 2010."

The economy is still growing, just not as much as it was. It's still a step in the right direction, albeit a small one.

Anything else you care to pull out of your ass?


Funny thing how growth has slowed after we elected a Republican House.
 
2012-10-27 05:20:36 PM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i365.photobucket.com image 425x300]

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAHHHHHHm AGIN it!"

/Lead, follow or get out of the way.


This made me laugh a lot harder than it should have.

/Bugs is obviously a Republican. He loves cross-dressing WAYYYY too much.
 
2012-10-27 05:22:57 PM  

TheBigJerk: quatchi: Every. Word. They. Say. Is. A. Lie.

Hell, they're so twisted and dishonest they can't even get THAT right reliably.


If Mitt Romney accidentally swallowed a nail I have no doubt he'd end up shiatting out a corkscrew.
 
2012-10-27 05:23:40 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Republican policies don't cost money you see. Only Democrats spend money or lose tax revenues.


So, you're suggesting that due to the cost of Republican policies, the economy went bad? Consider that carefully.

intelligent comment below: Coming from YOU? Oh that's rich


I give specifics whenever needed. I usually get stupid responses like yours when I do.
 
2012-10-27 05:25:16 PM  

rustypouch: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation needed.

But that would bring facts into the discussion, and we all know those are just a liberal plot.


The cretin has no record to run on.
 
2012-10-27 05:27:19 PM  

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


They have to appear to be fair and balanced. They don't comment on the news, they just report it. So reporting that consumer debt is now returning to pre-2007 levels (source: LA Times) would make them appear to be biased.
 
2012-10-27 05:32:47 PM  

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.
 
2012-10-27 05:41:18 PM  

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


They are reporting the truth, as they see it. Romney really said these things, and they reported on it. And tomorrow, someone from the Obama campaign will say something, and they will report on that as well.

By reporting exactly what both campaigns are saying, and no more and no less, nobody can accuse them of being anything but fair and objective.

// unless what someone says is really stupid or callous. Then reporting exactly what someone said is partisan.
 
2012-10-27 05:42:52 PM  

TheBigJerk: Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.


You forgot vilifying public schools, keeping minimum wage well below inflation levels, and presiding over the steepest climbs in college and health care costs in US history. I'm going out on a limb and guessing those were also contributing factors.
 
2012-10-27 05:46:09 PM  

TheBigJerk: randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.

Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.


But, but, but, it's not the fault of the banks if they sold insurance on bonds made up of bad mortgages that they paid the ratings agencies to label AAA that were undoubtedly going to fail! It's the fault of the socialist commie libs that hate the free market!
 
2012-10-27 05:47:18 PM  

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


1. Bush tax cuts for the rich
2. Invading Iraq
3. Invading Afghanistan and staying

Those three things added undue stress on the American financial system. I don't consider these just Bush's fault. I like to think of all the people who voted for him twice as helping to destroy America.
 
2012-10-27 05:48:09 PM  

randomjsa: YoungSwedishBlonde: Republican policies don't cost money you see. Only Democrats spend money or lose tax revenues.

So, you're suggesting that due to the cost of Republican policies, the economy went bad? Consider that carefully.

intelligent comment below: Coming from YOU? Oh that's rich

I give specifics whenever needed. I usually get stupid responses like yours when I do.


When did you ever give specifics? Please be specific.
 
2012-10-27 05:50:14 PM  

ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.


Reality, economists tend to disagree.
 
2012-10-27 05:52:08 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.

Reality, economists tend to disagree.


Wait, which conspiracy are you going to go with? U6 vs U3 numbers? BLS forging numbers? People lying to surveyors to help Obama?
 
2012-10-27 05:54:18 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: 3_Butt_Cheeks: ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.

Reality, economists tend to disagree.

Wait, which conspiracy are you going to go with? U6 vs U3 numbers? BLS forging numbers? People lying to surveyors to help Obama?


You are fixated on conspiracies? That seems pretty inconvenient.
 
2012-10-27 05:55:04 PM  

Notabunny: believe him


They don't. The facts don't support their narrative so in the back of their minds they know it's complete bullshiat.

They just don't care. They want their team to win.
 
2012-10-27 05:56:17 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: YoungSwedishBlonde: 3_Butt_Cheeks: ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.

Reality, economists tend to disagree.

Wait, which conspiracy are you going to go with? U6 vs U3 numbers? BLS forging numbers? People lying to surveyors to help Obama?

HURRR DURRR.


The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies.
 
2012-10-27 05:58:05 PM  

Heel It Down The Drain: What "new evidence" of a failing economy are they referring to?


Don't you watch Fox News? The ecomomy is literally the worst it has ever been ever. The streets are filled with homeless, and they're eating each other for food. The only thing standing between us and the abyss are the brave Tea Party Patriots standing on the wall.
 
2012-10-27 06:00:16 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Total BS on both sides. no matter who was in office the economy would have gotten better much like it will in the next 4 years regardless of who is picked. those who make the money won't let it be in the dumps for too long


The money men don't have nearly as much control as they like to think they do.
 
2012-10-27 06:00:40 PM  
Let's pretend the headline is true. How is Romney going to make the economy better?

He doesn't answer any substantive details whatsoever and yet half the country is still going to vote for him. Suckers, every last one.
 
2012-10-27 06:03:28 PM  

Bontesla:
Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.


Nope. Once Romney fails they're all gonna turn on him. Their loss will be due to all his lies and empty promises and that he wasn't a true conservative. They'll end up with Ricky Perry eventually. And the Mormons will go back to being the "cult" Christians have always thought it was.
 
2012-10-27 06:11:26 PM  

TheBigJerk: randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.

Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.


To be fair, you can't call those standard iterations of neoconservatism/Reaganomics "Bush's policies".
He never had an idea in his life - he just did and said what his handlers told him to - and most of he damage was done when he took office - it was the culmination of a quarter century of Neoconservative policy.
 
2012-10-27 06:13:02 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies


GDP growth? Unemployment? Personal income?

Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.
 
2012-10-27 06:14:58 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: Let's pretend the headline is true. How is Romney going to make the economy better?

He doesn't answer any substantive details whatsoever and yet half the country is still going to vote for him. Suckers, every last one.


By cutting taxes for the wealthy. It will make the economy better - for them.
The rest of us, of course, can go suck hind titty.
 
2012-10-27 06:15:48 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.


I didn't say it was "pretty good". I said it was getting better. And it has improved for me. I will be voting for the guy who gave me an opportunity to buy health insurance opposed to the guy who wants to get rid of that opportunity and put us further in the hole to pay for more defense spending and tax cuts for his buddies.
 
2012-10-27 06:16:00 PM  

lantawa: Let's not entitle business owners who built their own businesses to success, but instead absolutely embrace socialist redistribution of those earnings because


You need to stop feeding your brain such nonsense. Really. Just stop.
 
2012-10-27 06:18:10 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: YoungSwedishBlonde: The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies

GDP growth? Unemployment? Personal income?

Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.


"Almost every" measure, not all. You found some. Good for you. You want to list all of the others where it's better in the interest of intellectual honesty?

Didn't think so.
 
2012-10-27 06:18:12 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: YoungSwedishBlonde: The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies

GDP growth? Unemployment? Personal income?

Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.


Nobody smart is saying that. It would be a meaningless, subjective attempt to discuss a fluid phenomenon as a static one, and incapable of being true or false.
What can be said, and proven, is that the economy is getting better.
It's that "metric" thing that folks keep talking about - you should learn about it.
 
2012-10-27 06:18:14 PM  

neenerist: You claim to know the businesses the Obama government seeded are doomed to bankruptcy.


...because so many of them already folded. Solyndra?

A Dark Evil Omen: Do you ever look at yourself and realize that you're hoping things get worse for you, your friends and your family


You're not just beating the strawman... you're raping him and then mutilating the corpse.

heypete: Name specific policies that somehow inhibit growth.


He specifically shut down a large chunk of the oil industry in Louisiana by declaring a moratorium on drilling. Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done. He did the same with the Keystone pipeline. And should we even get into what the ACA has done to the insurance industry?

TheBigJerk: Like it did back when the stock market was good but everything else wasn't in 2005.


The economic numbers from 2005 are better than today in almost any comparison.

TheBigJerk: We'd be better off throwing the bankers in jail, but shills like you have to serve your lords, so we free men must abide.


Yea, I know how fun it is to talk shiat. It makes you fell good even though you've accomplished nothing. How hollow is your life that you need to have enemies who are the cause of all of your ills?

At least back in the day when guys like you talked about the bad guys they went out and did something about it. They didn't let those bankers, especially the Jewish ones, get away with destroying their country. No, siree. But you are le tired and activism is so hard.
 
2012-10-27 06:22:32 PM  
Freedom Fact of the Day: After thirty years of "trickle down" economics its Obama's fault he couldnt fix the economy in four years.
 
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