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NFA [TotalFark]
2012-10-27 09:24:22 AM
Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month, lowering unemployment and doubling the stock market is worse than the financial collapse we had after 8 years of Republican mismanagement.

Sure, a collapsed economy with huge corporations going bankrupt nearly daily, tent cities loaded with homeless children, millions of Americans losing their life savings and retirement funds was MUCH more desirable than what we have now.

Good GOD Romney is a lying f*cktard.
 
2012-10-27 09:35:55 AM
the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?
 
2012-10-27 09:48:10 AM
"Obvious," submoronmitter?
 
2012-10-27 10:12:24 AM
 
2012-10-27 10:14:12 AM
Jesus H. Christ, it's Freeper Saturday.
 
2012-10-27 10:30:31 AM
Romney BSing again.
 
2012-10-27 10:53:19 AM
10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.
 
2012-10-27 10:55:44 AM
The only truth is that Romney actually said that.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-27 11:17:01 AM
No, knowing it's true that Romney is a bullshiatter is something that I've grown accustomed to.
 
2012-10-27 11:34:41 AM

cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.


Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.
 
2012-10-27 11:37:25 AM

Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.


Yes, but we have the advantage of the fact that Romney doesn't hold any kind of office, so nobody's going to listen to him except the right-wing media.
 
2012-10-27 11:40:54 AM

Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.


Heh... Obama must have stolen it since Mitt couldn't buy it?

/I hope
 
2012-10-27 12:22:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.

Yes, but we have the advantage of the fact that Romney doesn't hold any kind of office, so nobody's going to listen to him except the right-wing media.


Palin.
 
2012-10-27 01:36:32 PM
If by worse, you mean for your chances of winning, then yes. Now STFU and DIAF.
 
2012-10-27 01:37:49 PM

Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.


I'm still going with: GOP immediately declares an Obama win illegitimate due to whatever and sets up a government-in-exile.

The house will start impeachment proceedings the day after the inauguration.
 
2012-10-27 01:53:41 PM
He's such a lying sack of shiat. I cannot fathom how anybody would see that this guy would make a decent President.
 
2012-10-27 01:56:02 PM

Lando Lincoln: He's such a lying sack of shiat. I cannot fathom how anybody would see that this guy would make a decent President.


There are those that believe the lies, no matter how blatantly obvious they are
 
2012-10-27 01:57:28 PM
This one's going to thrash around a lot as it circles the drain. Best to stand back out of harm's way.

Obama now has an 88-95% chance of winning based on the PEC model. 74% odds based on 538's model, which is better than Obama's chances were before the DNC. Both models predict O's EV take to be in the 290's. As Sam Wang at PEC puts it, "the cake is baked."
 
2012-10-27 02:11:49 PM
He's trying to appeal to mouthbreathers who will insist that "Obama's already raised taxes higher than they've been in American history" so it's a fairly target-rich environment.
 
2012-10-27 02:20:57 PM

shower_in_my_socks: 74% odds based on 538's model, which is better than Obama's chances were before the DNC.


Yeah, but he "looked thin and seemed effeminate" on Bill Maher's show last night, so he's a total liar and his math sucks. So say the usual suspects in RW online media, anyway.
 
2012-10-27 02:48:31 PM
Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.
 
2012-10-27 02:52:12 PM

ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.


Only if you believe math and reality.
 
2012-10-27 03:04:56 PM
Keep repeating that big lie, Herr Romney. It's good practice for your future gig as bitter full-time guest on FOX.

Romney is the new Palin.
 
2012-10-27 03:16:29 PM

NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month, lowering unemployment and doubling the stock market is worse than the financial collapse we had after 8 years of Republican mismanagement.

Sure, a collapsed economy with huge corporations going bankrupt nearly daily, tent cities loaded with homeless children, millions of Americans losing their life savings and retirement funds was MUCH more desirable than what we have now.

Good GOD Romney is a lying f*cktard.


Well, if you are still obscenely wealthy, that scenario is more desirable. You can get servants so much cheaper.
 
2012-10-27 03:28:23 PM
Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall ____ Romney on _____

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-27 03:29:46 PM
As he pointed out in two debates:

The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

We are moving in the wrong direction (e.g. NOT FORWARD)
 
2012-10-27 03:38:43 PM
I try to take politicians' words in stride, but I am really starting to hate Romney. How can you just openly and blatantly lie every minute of every day and get away with it? Are we really that far gone as a population that we can't even agree on empirical facts?
 
2012-10-27 03:39:34 PM
I just got a 24% pay raise, so I'm getting a real kick out of the derp in this thread...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-27 03:50:28 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: As he pointed out in two debates:

The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

We are moving in the wrong direction (e.g. NOT FORWARD)


Yes that why people call him a bullshiat artist.

The GDP was shrinking when the GOP was last in charge. I guess you long for the good old days.
 
2012-10-27 03:58:47 PM
Romney is Satanic evil. At best.
 
2012-10-27 03:58:58 PM
Total BS on both sides. no matter who was in office the economy would have gotten better much like it will in the next 4 years regardless of who is picked. those who make the money won't let it be in the dumps for too long
 
2012-10-27 04:02:30 PM
Great news everyone! On the statistics that the gov't can affect, we're doing halfway decent. On the raw numbers... not so much. But on some numbers somewhere, I assure you the economy looks good.

But believe that were it not for the brave and bold Obama, the economy would be toast and the apocalypse would have happened. He knew that the secret was to continue most of Bush's economic policies, give billions to companies that would go bankrupt in a few years, follow it all up with a nice speech and good things would happen.
 
2012-10-27 04:03:11 PM

Waldo Pepper: Total BS on both sides. no matter who was in office the economy would have gotten better much like it will in the next 4 years regardless of who is picked. those who make the money won't let it be in the dumps for too long


You mean the people who begged the government to come save them?
 
2012-10-27 04:04:01 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: As he pointed out in two debates:

The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

We are moving in the wrong direction (e.g. NOT FORWARD)


Surely you have the data to back him? Shirley?
 
2012-10-27 04:05:15 PM
So we're not using the "fragile recovery" talking point anymore?
 
2012-10-27 04:05:53 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: As he pointed out in two debates:

The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

We are moving in the wrong direction (e.g. NOT FORWARD)


Oh that's nonsense. Obama increased the chocolate rations this year.
 
2012-10-27 04:06:34 PM

Waldo Pepper: Total BS on both sides. no matter who was in office the economy would have gotten better much like it will in the next 4 years regardless of who is picked. those who make the money won't let it be in the dumps for too long


When they foreclose on your mortgage and then make you work for free? Enjoy your dumpster diving to get food and selling your parent's kidneys Mr. Republican shill.
 
2012-10-27 04:06:35 PM

neenerist: tenpoundsofcheese: As he pointed out in two debates:

The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

We are moving in the wrong direction (e.g. NOT FORWARD)

Surely you have the data to back him? Shirley?


www.unskewedjobreports.com
www.unskewedGDPreports.com
www.unskewedDJIAreports.com
www.unskewedpenismeasurements.com
 
2012-10-27 04:06:56 PM

Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.

Yes, but we have the advantage of the fact that Romney doesn't hold any kind of office, so nobody's going to listen to him except the right-wing media.

Palin.


I really don't think that anyone listens to Palin, apart from maybe a small cadre of fanbois and fangrrlz. She can, for now, still shout through her bullhorn, but she's a punchline. The GOP would very much prefer to forget that she ever existed.

That's Romney's fate too, if he doesn't win this election.
 
2012-10-27 04:07:14 PM

Mrbogey: ...... give billions to companies that would go bankrupt in a few years, follow it all up with a nice speech and good things would happen.


If you know that, why waste your superpowers on Fark? Get out there and short those stocks, live the Republican dream. At that level of certainty it's free money.
 
2012-10-27 04:07:47 PM

Waldo Pepper: Total BS on both sides. no matter who was in office the economy would have gotten better much like it will in the next 4 years regardless of who is picked. those who make the money won't let it be in the dumps for too long


Good. Then let's not vote for either of them based on economic issues.

Instead, let's allow this election to be decided on social, education, military, energy, trade, diplomacy, welfare, immigration, and domestic infrastructure issues. You know... all those pesky things a President has to do. Oh wait... Obama would win that election with 90% of the vote.
 
2012-10-27 04:08:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.


The article states otherwise: "Growth so far this year is slightly less than in 2011, which was weaker than 2010."

The economy is still growing, just not as much as it was. It's still a step in the right direction, albeit a small one.

Anything else you care to pull out of your ass?
 
2012-10-27 04:09:07 PM
Romney opens mouth; bullshiat falls out. More at 11.
 
2012-10-27 04:09:33 PM
You can argue that things could be better or that things aren't improving quickly enough, but those are subjective judgments.

To flatly state that the economy has gotten worse in any objective sense is absolute bullshiat.
 
2012-10-27 04:11:33 PM
Romney's mistake was not making the lies big enough. If you're going for the Big Lie strategy, don't piffle.

"Obama seeks to bring about the End of Days. He wants to engineer the return of the Old Ones."

"Biden caught on tape telling ACORN volunteers to wait and regroup in South America, like the ODESSA network."

"Michelle Obama grows marijuana in the White House Rose Garden."

Actually, that last one isn't big enough. Make it "Michelle seen wearing come-hump-me pumps to Kenyan church meeting."
 
2012-10-27 04:11:38 PM

Mrbogey: tenpoundsofcheese: As he pointed out in two debates:

The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

We are moving in the wrong direction (e.g. NOT FORWARD)

Oh that's nonsense. Obama increased the chocolate rations this year.


Why don't you two get a room? Or an airport stall perhaps? NTTAWWT
 
2012-10-27 04:13:03 PM

neenerist: Mrbogey: ...... give billions to companies that would go bankrupt in a few years, follow it all up with a nice speech and good things would happen.

If you know that, why waste your superpowers on Fark? Get out there and short those stocks, live the Republican dream. At that level of certainty it's free money.


Using a loan program that originated under Bush. But he's not really interested in facts.
 
2012-10-27 04:13:30 PM

neenerist: Get out there and short those stocks


The stock market, despite the derp from simple minded folks who think they're economic geniuses because they read a blog, is not a direct bellweather to the US economy. It will shift, shrink, and grow based upon specific market influences.

The economy will always recover. It's just a matter of how long and when. Obama's policies just aren't designed to grow economies. Steve Jobs knew it. CEO's who aren't trying to grift money from the gov't know it. Yet Obama's supporters don't.

Talk about optimistically ignorant.
 
2012-10-27 04:13:56 PM
Really, things are worse now? We're doomed? We're not losing a half million jobs every month. The dow has nearly doubled. Consumer debt is lower. Foreclosures are down. Repossessions (auto) are down. Personal Bankruptcies are down. I'd rather not turnaround, but thanks for your concern.
 
2012-10-27 04:14:06 PM

robsul82: shower_in_my_socks: 74% odds based on 538's model, which is better than Obama's chances were before the DNC.

Yeah, but he "looked thin and seemed effeminate" on Bill Maher's show last night, so he's a total liar and his math sucks. So say the usual suspects in RW online media, anyway.


Does anyone know how manly Sam Wang is? I need to know if I can trust him.
 
2012-10-27 04:14:41 PM

Blue_Blazer: Why don't you two get a room? Or an airport stall perhaps? NTTAWWT


Oh please, with all the stroking going on between leftists in these fark threads it's like saying a wayward glance is too risque for the Folsom Street Fair.
 
2012-10-27 04:15:38 PM

Lionel Mandrake: You can argue that things could be better...


There's little doubt about it. The Reagan recovery was much better, all it took was flooding the economy with massive stimulus washed through the military. It's arguably part of Robney's deep concern with 1916.
 
2012-10-27 04:15:58 PM

Bontesla: Where do you


Honestly, I'd like to see him put his money where his mouth is. After losing the election, Romney should position himself to take over a failing company like Kodak or HP or Amtrak. Let's see if he actually has the business skills that he claims he does, or if that was all just BS too.

Then in ten years, whenever Biff or Thwack or whatever his son's name is runs for office, he can talk about the business success of both his father and his grandfather.
 
2012-10-27 04:17:00 PM
You can make a case that someone else would have done better. You can make a case that Obama is actually impeding the recover.

You cannot make a case that things are worse today than they were at this point in 2008 and expect to be taken remotely seriously
 
2012-10-27 04:17:02 PM
What "new evidence" of a failing economy are they referring to?
 
2012-10-27 04:17:04 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: He's trying to appeal to mouthbreathers who will insist that "Obama's already raised taxes higher than they've been in American history" so it's a fairly target-rich environment.


But they are already going to vote for him.
 
2012-10-27 04:17:09 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I just got a 24% pay raise, so I'm getting a real kick out of the derp in this thread...


Lol, I just got a promotion and a good deal more money too... and the company I work for is way better than the one I was with a year ago. The GOP can cry doom all they want, after 8 years of Bush, I just don't believe any of their wolf cries any more.
 
2012-10-27 04:17:52 PM

Mrbogey: neenerist: Get out there and short those stocks

The stock market, despite the derp from simple minded folks who think they're economic geniuses because they read a blog, is not a direct bellweather to the US economy. It will shift, shrink, and grow based upon specific market influences.

The economy will always recover. It's just a matter of how long and when. Obama's policies just aren't designed to grow economies. Steve Jobs knew it. CEO's who aren't trying to grift money from the gov't know it. Yet Obama's supporters don't.

Talk about optimistically ignorant.


The secret is even more tax cuts. It will totally work this time.
 
2012-10-27 04:18:48 PM

BSABSVR: robsul82: shower_in_my_socks: 74% odds based on 538's model, which is better than Obama's chances were before the DNC.

Yeah, but he "looked thin and seemed effeminate" on Bill Maher's show last night, so he's a total liar and his math sucks. So say the usual suspects in RW online media, anyway.

Does anyone know how manly Sam Wang is? I need to know if I can trust him.


His name is Wang. What else do you need to know?
 
2012-10-27 04:18:53 PM

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


They might be accused of being liberal.
 
2012-10-27 04:19:27 PM

Lionel Mandrake: You can argue that things could be better or that things aren't improving quickly enough, but those are subjective judgments.

To flatly state that the economy has gotten worse in any objective sense is absolute bullshiat.


I farking hate hearing those arguments (I'm not saying you're making it, just commenting on your observation).

When we have access to this hypothetical parallel universe where McCain won the election, we can compare notes on how he did or didn't improve the economy.

Until then, Obama was handed a shiat sandwich by the Bush administration, and by most accounts, the economy is improving. By any account, he made NO disastrous decisions that made things worse. I can't say I believe the same would have been true of a McCain administration (based on his advisors and the positions of the Republicans the past four years).
 
2012-10-27 04:19:55 PM
Romney openly lied on matters he did not understand. Again, and again, and again. He is literally clueless.
 
2012-10-27 04:20:38 PM

firefly212: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I just got a 24% pay raise, so I'm getting a real kick out of the derp in this thread...

Lol, I just got a promotion and a good deal more money too... and the company I work for is way better than the one I was with a year ago. The GOP can cry doom all they want, after 8 years of Bush, I just don't believe any of their wolf cries any more.


That sucks. I got ripped off with only an 18% pay rise, doubling my vacation time, and much better benefits. I should try harder I guess.

We and all our customers are typically doing 200% better than we were doing in 2008.
 
2012-10-27 04:21:22 PM
Old GOP talking point: Obama crashed the economy! Look at the stock market!

New GOP talking point: The stock market doesn't matter.
 
2012-10-27 04:22:15 PM

Fart_Machine: The secret is even more tax cuts. It will totally work this time.


0.tqn.com 

/car elevators for the 1%, austerity for the rest
 
2012-10-27 04:23:45 PM

Mrbogey: neenerist: Get out there and short those stocks

The stock market, despite the derp from simple minded folks who think they're economic geniuses ...Talk about optimistically ignorant..


That's your claim not mine, so props on a rare moment of honesty. You claim to know the businesses the Obama government seeded are doomed to bankruptcy. Shorting is almost guaranteed money.
Maybe you're unaware of the difference between individual stocks and index funds?
 
2012-10-27 04:24:16 PM
i.imgur.com

Republican solution:

1. Invade Iraq.
2. Create TSA.

"Making the problem worse"? Naaaaw, it's FREEDOMISM.
 
2012-10-27 04:24:35 PM

BSABSVR: You can make a case that someone else would have done better. You can make a case that Obama is actually impeding the recover.

You cannot make a case that things are worse today than they were at this point in 2008 and expect to be taken remotely seriously


Empirical evidence is not required in Derpistan. It confuses the populace.
 
2012-10-27 04:25:10 PM

Fart_Machine: Old GOP talking point: Obama crashed the economy! Look at the stock market!

New GOP talking point: The stock market doesn't matter.


But..but...gas prices!!! Solydra! We have to save the banks and let Detroit fail!!!

I mean, the GOP surely has had plenty of ideas that have been stifled by the President. It's not like they have based the last 4 years on "ensuring Obama is a one-term President".

/Hey, where did those quotation marks come from?
 
2012-10-27 04:25:20 PM

BSABSVR: You can make a case that someone else would have done better. You can make a case that Obama is actually impeding the recover.

You cannot make a case that things are worse today than they were at this point in 2008 and expect to be taken remotely seriously


I just spent the better part of this week in FitzWalkerstan, WI. Not a day went by without hearing that we're worse off than we were four years ago. So don't be surprised that they keep spouting this bullshiat when half the voting populace believes it.
 
2012-10-27 04:25:23 PM
I truly wonder how much of the bullshiat Romney talks about he actually believes. There is no way he is this ignorant about how economics and politics work, is there?
 
2012-10-27 04:28:10 PM
you know what, fark you romney. Just personally, I've gotten a decent new job, am getting another degree, and am closing on a house this wednesday. I'm much better off than I was on jan 19th 2008. but I guess since I don't make enough to pay income tax and have taken advantage of pell grants, and local home-buyer grants I'm a horrible leech on society.

fark you with a rusty spoon, you've never had to work for anything for a day in your life. you've never worried about where you were going to sleep. Never had to pick between a meal, and enough gas to get to work. How anyone who isn't a trust fund baby can vote for this fark I'll never understand.
 
2012-10-27 04:30:55 PM

BSABSVR: robsul82: shower_in_my_socks: 74% odds based on 538's model, which is better than Obama's chances were before the DNC.

Yeah, but he "looked thin and seemed effeminate" on Bill Maher's show last night, so he's a total liar and his math sucks. So say the usual suspects in RW online media, anyway.

Does anyone know how manly Sam Wang is? I need to know if I can trust him.


His last name is Wang, which I'm pretty sure is Chinese for penis.
 
2012-10-27 04:31:19 PM

max_pooper: neenerist: tenpoundsofcheese: As he pointed out in two debates:

The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

We are moving in the wrong direction (e.g. NOT FORWARD)

Surely you have the data to back him? Shirley?

www.unskewedjobreports.com
www.unskewedGDPreports.com
www.unskewedDJIAreports.com
www.unskewedpenismeasurements.com


www.unskewedPMIAreports.com
www.unskewedUFIAreports.com
www.unskewedATMreports.com
www.unskewedgoatsereports.com
 
2012-10-27 04:31:32 PM
Romney was unsparing in his criticism of the man he hopes to unseat. "Despite all that he inherited, President Obama did not repair our economy, he did not save Medicare and Social Security, he did not tame the spending and borrowing..."

This is like saying despite his two broken legs, the runner still didn't win.

Romney is a liar AND a moron.
 
2012-10-27 04:32:48 PM
10,230 comments on that Yahoo news stories and the handful I looked at were mostly derptastic.
 
2012-10-27 04:33:25 PM

Thigvald the Big-Balled: max_pooper: neenerist: tenpoundsofcheese: As he pointed out in two debates:

The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

We are moving in the wrong direction (e.g. NOT FORWARD)

Surely you have the data to back him? Shirley?

www.unskewedjobreports.com
www.unskewedGDPreports.com
www.unskewedDJIAreports.com
www.unskewedpenismeasurements.com

www.unskewedPMIAreports.com
www.unskewedUFIAreports.com
www.unskewedATMreports.com
www.unskewedgoatsereports.com


these days I have to ask, are those all real?
 
2012-10-27 04:34:23 PM

NFA: Good GOD Romney is a lying f*cktard.


But it's working. Nearly half the country voters believe him.
 
2012-10-27 04:34:35 PM
ftfa: Romney personalized his message at Friday's final campaign stop on frigid night in North Canton, Ohio: "How many single moms these days are scrimping and saving so they can put a good meal on the table at the end of the day for their kids?" Romney asked with Ryan at his side, later adding, "It's time to have a president and a vice president who care more about the people than care about politics.

Wait, what?

Vote for the GOP because they CARE MOAR?

Who the fark do they think they are kidding with that shiat?

Same with them playing the "the real problem is that Obama and the Dems haven't been bipartisan enough" card.

Republicans view compassion and empathy as weakness as a rule and the GOP in Congress, particularly the Teahadists of 2010, have been the most partisan, radical, obstructive politicians in living memory.

Every. Word. They. Say. Is. A. Lie.
 
2012-10-27 04:35:31 PM
One of the greatest days in all of our lives will come when we no longer have to entertain the delusional ramblings of this crackpot. Please sweet FSM, may that day come next Tuesday.
 
2012-10-27 04:35:52 PM

Mrbogey: The stock market, despite the derp from simple minded folks who think they're economic geniuses because they read a blog, is not a direct bellweather to the US economy. It will shift, shrink, and grow based upon specific market influences.

The economy will always recover.


And this is how you know the far right is scrambling. When they resort to "Things would be better anyway! Don't give the current guy credit!" they know they're farked.

Do you ever look at yourself and realize that you're hoping things get worse for you, your friends and your family just so Mitt Romney can have his lollipop? Or would really looking at that truth be too much for your fragile psyche?
 
2012-10-27 04:36:05 PM

clkeagle: Bontesla: Where do you

Honestly, I'd like to see him put his money where his mouth is. After losing the election, Romney should position himself to take over a failing company like Kodak or HP or Amtrak. Let's see if he actually has the business skills that he claims he does, or if that was all just BS too.

Then in ten years, whenever Biff or Thwack or whatever his son's name is runs for office, he can talk about the business success of both his father and his grandfather.


It's like he named his kids after the sound effects in Adam West's "Batman" series.

4.bp.blogspot.com
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-27 04:36:34 PM

Mrbogey: Obama's policies just aren't designed to grow economies.


How so? Name specific policies that somehow inhibit growth.

In what way could Obama's policies be different? What alternative would you have instead?

Please provide specifics, details, and citations.
 
2012-10-27 04:36:46 PM

quatchi: Vote for the GOP because they CARE MOAR?

Who the fark do they think they are kidding with that shiat?


Well, "compassionate conservatism" has won them previous elections. Never mind that they're thieves and murderers.
 
2012-10-27 04:38:21 PM
, President Obama 'made the problem worse' (news.yahoo.com)

Bullsh*t.

What made "the problem worse" is the incessant social conservatism of the Republican Party and the Blue Dog conservatives.

And you farking know it.
 
2012-10-27 04:39:07 PM

EvilEgg: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month, lowering unemployment and doubling the stock market is worse than the financial collapse we had after 8 years of Republican mismanagement.

Sure, a collapsed economy with huge corporations going bankrupt nearly daily, tent cities loaded with homeless children, millions of Americans losing their life savings and retirement funds was MUCH more desirable than what we have now.

Good GOD Romney is a lying f*cktard.

Well, if you are still obscenely wealthy, that scenario is more desirable. You can get servants so much cheaper.


That's the interesting problem though. The end goal of the neo-aristocrats is the revival of feudalism, but they have literally NO PLAN for how to keep the nation, nay the WORLD policed and the peasants controlled when they finally "drown government in the bathtub." They don't have stockpiles of weapons, they don't have loyal paramilitary "bannermen" to guard their properties, they often don't have a plan for when existing currency ceases to have value, they just think the system they actively try to destroy will somehow still be there forever for them to exploit and attack.
 
2012-10-27 04:41:38 PM
no no no, you all misunderstood Mittens.

It could have been better, so Obama made the better worse by making it not as betterer as it wa when it was worse.

I think...
 
2012-10-27 04:42:44 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Lando Lincoln: He's such a lying sack of shiat. I cannot fathom how anybody would see that this guy would make a decent President.

There are those that believe the lies, no matter how blatantly obvious they are


Even the worst band in the universe has groupies.
 
2012-10-27 04:43:39 PM
Here in NC the GOP PAC ads are running nearly non-stop, all hammering in the point that the economy isn't improving, "tough times" are here, it was Obama's fault for the "failed stimulus", our unemployment rate is one of the worst in the nation (again implying that's Obama's fault too), and implying that we're headed down the drain if Obama is re-elected.

It's all about saying something long enough and loudly enough, and a sizable amount of the population will start believing you.
 
2012-10-27 04:44:10 PM
I hate it when lying liars lie their bullshiat lies and say that Romney's telling anything but the truth. Now; Obama, he's an absurd bullshiatter from a long line of Chicago dirty politics bullshiatters, so full of Obama-bullshiat that even his eyes are brown. Let's spend $11 for every $7 we take in. morans. Let's not entitle business owners who built their own businesses to success, but instead absolutely embrace socialist redistribution of those earnings because, after all, those people who built those buinsesses are entitled to anything more than the right to live amongst these other wonderful recepients of Marxists' largesse.
 
2012-10-27 04:44:28 PM

Bendal: It's all about saying something long enough and loudly enough, and a sizable amount of the population will start believing you.


Well, who are they gonna believe? The GOP or their lying eyes?
 
2012-10-27 04:44:54 PM

lantawa: I hate it when lying liars lie their bullshiat lies and say that Romney's telling anything but the truth


lying liar
 
2012-10-27 04:45:29 PM

lantawa: I hate it when lying liars lie their bullshiat lies and say that Romney's telling anything but the truth. Now; Obama, he's an absurd bullshiatter from a long line of Chicago dirty politics bullshiatters, so full of Obama-bullshiat that even his eyes are brown. Let's spend $11 for every $7 we take in. morans. Let's not entitle business owners who built their own businesses to success, but instead absolutely embrace socialist redistribution of those earnings because, after all, those people who built those buinsesses are entitled to anything more than the right to live amongst these other wonderful recepients of Marxists' largesse.


This is a hard word-search.
 
2012-10-27 04:45:38 PM
I'm doing really well. Maybe Romney's base is just lazy and should try to get a job instead of sponging off the rest of us.

/the Republican outlook on life
 
2012-10-27 04:45:55 PM

limeyfellow: firefly212: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I just got a 24% pay raise, so I'm getting a real kick out of the derp in this thread...

Lol, I just got a promotion and a good deal more money too... and the company I work for is way better than the one I was with a year ago. The GOP can cry doom all they want, after 8 years of Bush, I just don't believe any of their wolf cries any more.

That sucks. I got ripped off with only an 18% pay rise, doubling my vacation time, and much better benefits. I should try harder I guess.

We and all our customers are typically doing 200% better than we were doing in 2008.


I think the next batch of Romney commercials will just be him screaming DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM for no apparent reason.
 
2012-10-27 04:48:01 PM
And he didn't change the mind or vote of one single person with that statement.
 
2012-10-27 04:48:02 PM
i566.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-27 04:48:24 PM

Bendal: It's all about saying something long enough and loudly enough, and a sizable amount of the population will start believing you.


Bingo. And between the campaign ads, Fox News, CNN, Clear Channel Radio, and Yahoo News - that is one hell of a deafening voice. Obama's campaign ads, MSNBC, and Stewart/Colbert can be heard, but aren't remotely as loud. And the combined "investigative journalism" of CBS, ABC, and PBS don't even amount to a whisper.
 
2012-10-27 04:50:34 PM
I just wish these right-wing layabouts that think that I should pay for their Hoverrounds and busing their fat-assed kids to school just because they live in a rural area would get jobs. They are really sponging off the rest of us.

No wonder they're all Romney supporters. He didn't work for any of his money, and they don't think they should have to do so either.
 
2012-10-27 04:57:35 PM

Thigvald the Big-Balled: clkeagle: Bontesla: Where do you

Honestly, I'd like to see him put his money where his mouth is. After losing the election, Romney should position himself to take over a failing company like Kodak or HP or Amtrak. Let's see if he actually has the business skills that he claims he does, or if that was all just BS too.

Then in ten years, whenever Biff or Thwack or whatever his son's name is runs for office, he can talk about the business success of both his father and his grandfather.

It's like he named his kids after the sound effects in Adam West's "Batman" series.

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At least he didn't go with Don Martin cartoons.

www.oreillynet.comwww.dragonswest.com
 
2012-10-27 04:57:41 PM

Mrbogey: neenerist: Get out there and short those stocks

The stock market, despite the derp from simple minded folks who think they're economic geniuses because they read a blog, is not a direct bellweather to the US economy. It will shift, shrink, and grow based upon specific market influences.

The economy will always recover. It's just a matter of how long and when. Obama's policies just aren't designed to grow economies. Steve Jobs knew it. CEO's who aren't trying to grift money from the gov't know it. Yet Obama's supporters don't.

Talk about optimistically ignorant.


Unless pretending it is helps the GOP narrative. Like it did back when the stock market was good but everything else wasn't in 2005. Liberals know this, of course, just as they know that Obama's policies are too far-right to actually grow the economy like it should, but compromise and legislature being what it is we Americans have to accept compromises with idiots and greedy farks.

We'd be better off throwing the bankers in jail, but shills like you have to serve your lords, so we free men must abide.
 
2012-10-27 04:59:12 PM
A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.
 
2012-10-27 05:00:48 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: He's trying to appeal to mouthbreathers who will insist that "Obama's already raised taxes higher than they've been in American history" so it's a fairly target-rich environment.


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-27 05:01:33 PM

quatchi: ftfa: Romney personalized his message at Friday's final campaign stop on frigid night in North Canton, Ohio: "How many single moms these days are scrimping and saving so they can put a good meal on the table at the end of the day for their kids?" Romney asked with Ryan at his side, later adding, "It's time to have a president and a vice president who care more about the people than care about politics.

Wait, what?

Vote for the GOP because they CARE MOAR?

Who the fark do they think they are kidding with that shiat?

Same with them playing the "the real problem is that Obama and the Dems haven't been bipartisan enough" card.

Republicans view compassion and empathy as weakness as a rule and the GOP in Congress, particularly the Teahadists of 2010, have been the most partisan, radical, obstructive politicians in living memory.

Every. Word. They. Say. Is. A. Lie.


Hell, they're so twisted and dishonest they can't even get THAT right reliably.
 
2012-10-27 05:03:20 PM

TheBigJerk: Mrbogey:

Unless pretending it is helps the GOP narrative. Like it did back when the stock market was good but everything else wasn't in 2005. Liberals know this, of course, just as they know that Obama's policies are too far-right to actually grow the economy like it should, but compromise and legislature being what it is we Americans have to accept compromises with idiots and greedy farks.

We'd be better off throwing the bankers in jail, but shills like you have to serve your lords, so we free men must abide.


Nuance, another tool of the libby lib libs. If the Rapepublicans say he is all bad, then the only counter is he is all good.
 
2012-10-27 05:03:37 PM

Kibbler: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.

Yes, but we have the advantage of the fact that Romney doesn't hold any kind of office, so nobody's going to listen to him except the right-wing media.

Palin.

I really don't think that anyone listens to Palin, apart from maybe a small cadre of fanbois and fangrrlz.


I like to watch her shuck and jive. Women with nice tits make great shuckers and jives.
 
2012-10-27 05:04:20 PM

guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.


My sister-inlaw is like that. She's an otherwise intelligent woman. I don't get it.
 
2012-10-27 05:07:10 PM
 
2012-10-27 05:08:25 PM

guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.


Try pointing out that as a "businessman" Romney specialized in running businesses into the ground then getting bailouts from the government, and even Ayn Rand considered his kind of "Businessman" to be a worthless parasite. It's as likely to work as any other tactic, but at least it's the truth.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:40 PM

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


Citation needed.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:53 PM

guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.


Being a successful businessman is admirable. But it doesn't qualify you for a successful political career.

Running the Olympics is admirable. But it doesn't qualify you for a successful political career.

Serving as a state Governor is admirable, and it's a great indicator of success in your political career.

In this case, we have a Governor who vetoed over 800 bills (90% of which were overridden) and left office with a 30% approval rating while putting as much distance as possible between himself and his state healthcare reform. Mitt Romney does not have a successful political career.

And as I've said before... when you bat .210 in the minors, nobody should look at your name when it's time to review the starting lineup in the major league.
 
2012-10-27 05:11:51 PM

armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation needed.


With the way you troll and threadsh*t thread, nobody owes you anything.

Use Google if you really care about it.
 
2012-10-27 05:12:03 PM
I was a Republican until I realized they weren't for smaller government and I realized I wasn't a complete batshiat crazy conspiracy theorist.
 
2012-10-27 05:12:08 PM
My friend on facebook posted his status to say 'I just absentee voted for Obama' and one of his replies, lets call her "Sandy" said 'My friends have been nothing but screwed by Obama's policies' I replied with "Sandy has millionaire friends?!!?"

That got about 30 likes
 
2012-10-27 05:12:35 PM
How's the stock market doing? Highest ever you say?

/keep lying mitt.
 
2012-10-27 05:13:25 PM
i365.photobucket.com

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAHHHHHHm AGIN it!"

/Lead, follow or get out of the way.
 
2012-10-27 05:14:26 PM

NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month


What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.
 
2012-10-27 05:15:11 PM

armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation needed.


But that would bring facts into the discussion, and we all know those are just a liberal plot.
 
2012-10-27 05:17:14 PM
Ftfa: "The Republican's statement that it was no time to "double down on trickle down government policies" was eerily like Clinton's criticism at the Democratic convention. "We simply cannot afford to give the reins of government to someone who will double down on trickle down," the former president said, referring to policies he said Republicans had tried in the past with poor results."

Is there a single original thought in the Romney campaign?
 
2012-10-27 05:17:34 PM

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


Republican policies don't cost money you see. Only Democrats spend money or lose tax revenues.
 
2012-10-27 05:18:44 PM

Notabunny: guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.

My sister-inlaw is like that. She's an otherwise intelligent woman. I don't get it.


Because economics and politics are a religion to a lot of folk. Facts don't matter, science doesn't matter, anything that goes wrong with demand-side economics is proof they don't work, never did, and are a total lie while anything that goes wrong with supply-side economics is the result of scatter data, not supply-siding hard enough, or the "witchcraft" of hidden "stealth socialism" somehow offending the invisible hand god.

Convincing someone to abandon their economic religion is a very difficult and very complicated thing, and varies widely from person to person.

But one particularly effective tactic is to reduce things to a common denominator so you seem to be agreeing with them by attacking their enemies, then building things back up in the direction you want it to go. Saying something like, "Both sides are bad, so..."

Well I don't have to finish that sentence, do I?

This is also why that meme keeps getting used, BTW. Because it farking works.
 
2012-10-27 05:19:44 PM

heypete: tenpoundsofcheese: The economy is worse this year than last year.
And it was worse last year than the year before.

The article states otherwise: "Growth so far this year is slightly less than in 2011, which was weaker than 2010."

The economy is still growing, just not as much as it was. It's still a step in the right direction, albeit a small one.

Anything else you care to pull out of your ass?


Funny thing how growth has slowed after we elected a Republican House.
 
2012-10-27 05:20:36 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i365.photobucket.com image 425x300]

"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAHHHHHHm AGIN it!"

/Lead, follow or get out of the way.


This made me laugh a lot harder than it should have.

/Bugs is obviously a Republican. He loves cross-dressing WAYYYY too much.
 
2012-10-27 05:22:57 PM

TheBigJerk: quatchi: Every. Word. They. Say. Is. A. Lie.

Hell, they're so twisted and dishonest they can't even get THAT right reliably.


If Mitt Romney accidentally swallowed a nail I have no doubt he'd end up shiatting out a corkscrew.
 
2012-10-27 05:23:40 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Republican policies don't cost money you see. Only Democrats spend money or lose tax revenues.


So, you're suggesting that due to the cost of Republican policies, the economy went bad? Consider that carefully.

intelligent comment below: Coming from YOU? Oh that's rich


I give specifics whenever needed. I usually get stupid responses like yours when I do.
 
2012-10-27 05:25:16 PM

rustypouch: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation needed.

But that would bring facts into the discussion, and we all know those are just a liberal plot.


The cretin has no record to run on.
 
2012-10-27 05:27:19 PM

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


They have to appear to be fair and balanced. They don't comment on the news, they just report it. So reporting that consumer debt is now returning to pre-2007 levels (source: LA Times) would make them appear to be biased.
 
2012-10-27 05:32:47 PM

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.
 
2012-10-27 05:41:18 PM

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


They are reporting the truth, as they see it. Romney really said these things, and they reported on it. And tomorrow, someone from the Obama campaign will say something, and they will report on that as well.

By reporting exactly what both campaigns are saying, and no more and no less, nobody can accuse them of being anything but fair and objective.

// unless what someone says is really stupid or callous. Then reporting exactly what someone said is partisan.
 
2012-10-27 05:42:52 PM

TheBigJerk: Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.


You forgot vilifying public schools, keeping minimum wage well below inflation levels, and presiding over the steepest climbs in college and health care costs in US history. I'm going out on a limb and guessing those were also contributing factors.
 
2012-10-27 05:46:09 PM

TheBigJerk: randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.

Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.


But, but, but, it's not the fault of the banks if they sold insurance on bonds made up of bad mortgages that they paid the ratings agencies to label AAA that were undoubtedly going to fail! It's the fault of the socialist commie libs that hate the free market!
 
2012-10-27 05:47:18 PM

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


1. Bush tax cuts for the rich
2. Invading Iraq
3. Invading Afghanistan and staying

Those three things added undue stress on the American financial system. I don't consider these just Bush's fault. I like to think of all the people who voted for him twice as helping to destroy America.
 
2012-10-27 05:48:09 PM

randomjsa: YoungSwedishBlonde: Republican policies don't cost money you see. Only Democrats spend money or lose tax revenues.

So, you're suggesting that due to the cost of Republican policies, the economy went bad? Consider that carefully.

intelligent comment below: Coming from YOU? Oh that's rich

I give specifics whenever needed. I usually get stupid responses like yours when I do.


When did you ever give specifics? Please be specific.
 
2012-10-27 05:50:14 PM

ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.


Reality, economists tend to disagree.
 
2012-10-27 05:52:08 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.

Reality, economists tend to disagree.


Wait, which conspiracy are you going to go with? U6 vs U3 numbers? BLS forging numbers? People lying to surveyors to help Obama?
 
2012-10-27 05:54:18 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: 3_Butt_Cheeks: ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.

Reality, economists tend to disagree.

Wait, which conspiracy are you going to go with? U6 vs U3 numbers? BLS forging numbers? People lying to surveyors to help Obama?


You are fixated on conspiracies? That seems pretty inconvenient.
 
2012-10-27 05:55:04 PM

Notabunny: believe him


They don't. The facts don't support their narrative so in the back of their minds they know it's complete bullshiat.

They just don't care. They want their team to win.
 
2012-10-27 05:56:17 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: YoungSwedishBlonde: 3_Butt_Cheeks: ManateeGag: Economy seems to be doing pretty good to me.

Reality, economists tend to disagree.

Wait, which conspiracy are you going to go with? U6 vs U3 numbers? BLS forging numbers? People lying to surveyors to help Obama?

HURRR DURRR.


The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies.
 
2012-10-27 05:58:05 PM

Heel It Down The Drain: What "new evidence" of a failing economy are they referring to?


Don't you watch Fox News? The ecomomy is literally the worst it has ever been ever. The streets are filled with homeless, and they're eating each other for food. The only thing standing between us and the abyss are the brave Tea Party Patriots standing on the wall.
 
2012-10-27 06:00:16 PM

Waldo Pepper: Total BS on both sides. no matter who was in office the economy would have gotten better much like it will in the next 4 years regardless of who is picked. those who make the money won't let it be in the dumps for too long


The money men don't have nearly as much control as they like to think they do.
 
2012-10-27 06:00:40 PM
Let's pretend the headline is true. How is Romney going to make the economy better?

He doesn't answer any substantive details whatsoever and yet half the country is still going to vote for him. Suckers, every last one.
 
2012-10-27 06:03:28 PM

Bontesla:
Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.


Nope. Once Romney fails they're all gonna turn on him. Their loss will be due to all his lies and empty promises and that he wasn't a true conservative. They'll end up with Ricky Perry eventually. And the Mormons will go back to being the "cult" Christians have always thought it was.
 
2012-10-27 06:11:26 PM

TheBigJerk: randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.

Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.


To be fair, you can't call those standard iterations of neoconservatism/Reaganomics "Bush's policies".
He never had an idea in his life - he just did and said what his handlers told him to - and most of he damage was done when he took office - it was the culmination of a quarter century of Neoconservative policy.
 
2012-10-27 06:13:02 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies


GDP growth? Unemployment? Personal income?

Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.
 
2012-10-27 06:14:58 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: Let's pretend the headline is true. How is Romney going to make the economy better?

He doesn't answer any substantive details whatsoever and yet half the country is still going to vote for him. Suckers, every last one.


By cutting taxes for the wealthy. It will make the economy better - for them.
The rest of us, of course, can go suck hind titty.
 
2012-10-27 06:15:48 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.


I didn't say it was "pretty good". I said it was getting better. And it has improved for me. I will be voting for the guy who gave me an opportunity to buy health insurance opposed to the guy who wants to get rid of that opportunity and put us further in the hole to pay for more defense spending and tax cuts for his buddies.
 
2012-10-27 06:16:00 PM

lantawa: Let's not entitle business owners who built their own businesses to success, but instead absolutely embrace socialist redistribution of those earnings because


You need to stop feeding your brain such nonsense. Really. Just stop.
 
2012-10-27 06:18:10 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: YoungSwedishBlonde: The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies

GDP growth? Unemployment? Personal income?

Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.


"Almost every" measure, not all. You found some. Good for you. You want to list all of the others where it's better in the interest of intellectual honesty?

Didn't think so.
 
2012-10-27 06:18:12 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: YoungSwedishBlonde: The economy is better by almost every quantitative measure than it was 4 years ago and especially better than when we hit the crater of the mess caused by 8 years of failed Republican policies

GDP growth? Unemployment? Personal income?

Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.


Nobody smart is saying that. It would be a meaningless, subjective attempt to discuss a fluid phenomenon as a static one, and incapable of being true or false.
What can be said, and proven, is that the economy is getting better.
It's that "metric" thing that folks keep talking about - you should learn about it.
 
2012-10-27 06:18:14 PM

neenerist: You claim to know the businesses the Obama government seeded are doomed to bankruptcy.


...because so many of them already folded. Solyndra?

A Dark Evil Omen: Do you ever look at yourself and realize that you're hoping things get worse for you, your friends and your family


You're not just beating the strawman... you're raping him and then mutilating the corpse.

heypete: Name specific policies that somehow inhibit growth.


He specifically shut down a large chunk of the oil industry in Louisiana by declaring a moratorium on drilling. Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done. He did the same with the Keystone pipeline. And should we even get into what the ACA has done to the insurance industry?

TheBigJerk: Like it did back when the stock market was good but everything else wasn't in 2005.


The economic numbers from 2005 are better than today in almost any comparison.

TheBigJerk: We'd be better off throwing the bankers in jail, but shills like you have to serve your lords, so we free men must abide.


Yea, I know how fun it is to talk shiat. It makes you fell good even though you've accomplished nothing. How hollow is your life that you need to have enemies who are the cause of all of your ills?

At least back in the day when guys like you talked about the bad guys they went out and did something about it. They didn't let those bankers, especially the Jewish ones, get away with destroying their country. No, siree. But you are le tired and activism is so hard.
 
2012-10-27 06:22:32 PM
Freedom Fact of the Day: After thirty years of "trickle down" economics its Obama's fault he couldnt fix the economy in four years.
 
2012-10-27 06:23:11 PM
Clinton's term: started my IRA. Put in about $20k value in 1/2001 was about $90k. At end of Bush's term: $112k. Currently: $225k. So which party has been good for my IRA? Democratic party by a long shot.

If another GOP ever hold the POTUS office, I'm moving all my money into Money market or very safe bonds to wait out the disaster.
 
2012-10-27 06:23:18 PM
Just as a thought exercise - let's say that, in truth and in fact, the mechanic is doing too slow a job of fixing our car. Is the logical response to hand the keys back to the morans that wrecked it to begin with?
 
2012-10-27 06:24:59 PM

jso2897: Nobody smart is saying that. It would be a meaningless, subjective attempt to discuss a fluid phenomenon as a static one, and incapable of being true or false.


Oh you damn Austrians and your hatred of quantifiable data!

Funny, when times are so bad even the metrics suck it's time we start soft qualitative comparisons.

Yes, things are bad... but they could be worse!!!
 
2012-10-27 06:29:19 PM
Mitt Romney = a chode.
 
2012-10-27 06:31:43 PM

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


I'm financially doing (far) better now than I was in 2008, so I'm pretty much immune to the argument that the Republicans know more about managing a business or balancing a checkbook than the Democrats.

/ clarification: both parties fail at this stuff, it's just that the Republicans fail epically at it.
// I remember when GWB signed off on a "stimulus package", got a $600 check in the mail...madness...
/// where were the "fiscally conservative" Republicans back then?
 
2012-10-27 06:31:52 PM

gameshowhost: Mitt Romney = a chode.


Yep. And they all know it. But he's their chode, so they are now actually cupping the balls when they're giving him a blowie.

All that's left is the swallowing.
 
2012-10-27 06:33:10 PM

clkeagle: TheBigJerk: Further deregulation of banks, destruction of environmental regulations, refusing to enforce regulations or impose oversight, and what supporters and detractors both referred to as "creating a culture of deregulation," which led directly to banks repeating the same acts that led directly to Reagan's Savings and Loans collapse/bailout. Two pointless foreign wars which racked up debt and caused great uncertainty in markets, promoted rampant speculation driving up gas prices, and spread terror and uncertainty for political gain despite the negative effect on markets. Cut taxes on the rich, removing their incentive to make more money and widening the wealth gap between rich and poor so that there were less customers to buy things, and resurrecting Reaganomics as a philosophy instead of a joke.

You forgot vilifying public schools, keeping minimum wage well below inflation levels, and presiding over the steepest climbs in college and health care costs in US history. I'm going out on a limb and guessing those were also contributing factors.


True, I probably left out more than that, but I'm sleepy today.

I mean, there's a LOT I don't like that Obama, most of the democrats in the legislature, and/or the liberal talking heads support that aren't a good idea, economically speaking. But we've tried Reaganomics for the lion's share of the last 30 years and it has failed every. single. time. We have graft and corruption and wasted spending that need to be attacked instead of ignored but the GOP has shown NO interest in doing it. They want to make it WORSE if anything.
 
2012-10-27 06:34:08 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: I didn't say it was "pretty good". I said it was getting better


And I was responding to someone else originally, before you felt the need to interject your conspiracy theories.

intelligent comment below: Son. You don't even have a degree in IT, stop trying to pretend you know the first thing about economics.


Your obsession with my education still provides amusement.
 
2012-10-27 06:39:30 PM

intelligent comment below: Yeah showing the economy has completely recovered from the month 0bama took office is just a "soft comparison" that's typical biased and useless. You're just not that bright either.


We're still not recovered. Get it straight. And if you think 4 years is not enough time then you've shown you don't care about history. Historically we've been lower and historically we've recovered faster. But your guy is blameless. Something went wrong... Republicans were somewhere... it must have been them. Let's not actually look at the details.

intelligent comment below: How many jobs were people losing every month under Bush?


Until the last few months they were growing. Something must have happened in the 2006 election cycle to cause that... because that's how economies work. If the economy falters it means the last elected guy get's the blame/credit.
 
2012-10-27 06:41:04 PM

intelligent comment below: Mrbogey: Funny, when times are so bad even the metrics suck it's time we start soft qualitative comparisons.


Yeah showing the economy has completely recovered from the month 0bama took office is just a "soft comparison" that's typical biased and useless. You're just not that bright either.

Mrbogey: Yes, things are bad... but they could be worse!!!


How many jobs were people losing every month under Bush?


You have to ignore him...he believes in a mythic time when life was perfect, the economy was balanced, there were no poor people (at least none worth mentioning), America was the supreme Super Power and had no enemies, politicians were Perfect and never told untruths to their people, colored people knew their place (in the fields and kitchens), and nothing went wrong. All this once existed and can exist again if only the right person was in the White House...and it's hard to know who that might be, because I guarantee you if Romney was there, this freak would be biatching within six months about the same things he's biatching about now. And for just about the same reasons.
 
2012-10-27 06:42:45 PM
Legit question: has anyone estimated how many net jobs Bain Capital's holdings established in the US since 1998? Does it work out to be a positive number, or did they play the wage arbitrage game to the hilt? Because you know what guts an economy? Destroying well-compensated positions, resulting in a reduction of demand due to reduced individual purchasing power in exchange for greater concentration of wealth.
 
2012-10-27 06:42:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: You have to ignore him...he believes in a mythic time when life was perfect, the economy was balanced, there were no poor people (at least none worth mentioning), America was the supreme Super Power and had no enemies, politicians were Perfect and never told untruths to their people, colored people knew their place (in the fields and kitchens), and nothing went wrong. All this once existed and can exist again if only the right person was in the White House...and it's hard to know who that might be, because I guarantee you if Romney was there, this freak would be biatching within six months about the same things he's biatching about now. And for just about the same reasons.


Dear God, that poor... poor strawman. Will you think of its family?
 
2012-10-27 06:50:10 PM

Kibbler: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.

Yes, but we have the advantage of the fact that Romney doesn't hold any kind of office, so nobody's going to listen to him except the right-wing media.

Palin.

I really don't think that anyone listens to Palin, apart from maybe a small cadre of fanbois and fangrrlz. She can, for now, still shout through her bullhorn, but she's a punchline. The GOP would very much prefer to forget that she ever existed.

That's Romney's fate too, if he doesn't win this election.


That's Romney's fate especially if he wins this election. Romney will be as relevant as GW Bush.
 
2012-10-27 06:50:27 PM
Anyone ever notice how Mitt Romney keeps saying "I know how to create jobs" but nobody ever asks him a follow up question to that assertion? Is he referring to his business experience? Because there's a big difference between hiring someone to work for a company and getting companies to hire people to work for them. Or is he going to hire 9 million people to work for him? But I thought government doesn't create jobs?

Mitt Romney's business experience is completely, absolutely, 100% irrelevant to steering the national economy. Its like saying you worked at Pepperidge Farm making goldfish and it gives you the experience you need to be the director of the Monterey Bay Aquarium.
 
2012-10-27 06:56:03 PM

Heel It Down The Drain: What "new evidence" of a failing economy are they referring to?


The GOP agenda to destroy Obama's first term has had some impact. That's your evidence.
 
2012-10-27 07:00:14 PM

Mrbogey: Until the last few months they were growing. Something must have happened in the 2006 election cycle to cause that... because that's how economies work. If the economy falters it means the last elected guy get's the blame/credit


wat
 
2012-10-27 07:02:03 PM

Mrbogey: The economic numbers from 2005 are better than today in almost any comparison.


And "Almost any comparison" is? The stock market and that's it? Hmm, good job calling yourself a derper.

Mrbogey: Yea, I know how fun it is to talk shiat. It makes you fell good even though you've accomplished nothing. How hollow is your life that you need to have enemies who are the cause of all of your ills?


And now you're talking to yourself. Time to go back to the institution kiddo, you're not ready for life on the outside.
 
2012-10-27 07:02:56 PM

Mrbogey: Gyrfalcon: You have to ignore him...he believes in a mythic time when life was perfect, the economy was balanced, there were no poor people (at least none worth mentioning), America was the supreme Super Power and had no enemies, politicians were Perfect and never told untruths to their people, colored people knew their place (in the fields and kitchens), and nothing went wrong. All this once existed and can exist again if only the right person was in the White House...and it's hard to know who that might be, because I guarantee you if Romney was there, this freak would be biatching within six months about the same things he's biatching about now. And for just about the same reasons.

Dear God, that poor... poor strawman. Will you think of its family?


LOL I hope I'm not misconstruing your reply, and that you're not objecting to Gyrfalcon's spot-on commentary here.
 
2012-10-27 07:03:52 PM
*skims thread*

Oh. She was handing YOU YOUR ass.

Never mind.

Carry on,.
 
2012-10-27 07:10:33 PM

randomjsa: NFA: Yes Mr. Romney, fixing the Bush job loss hemorrhage of over 1 million American jobs lost per month

What policy of Bush caused that problem? Specifics please.


The Bush tax cuts, for one.
 
2012-10-27 07:12:46 PM

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: GDP growth?

Better than Jan 2009?

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3_Butt_Cheeks: Unemployment?

Back to Jan 2009?

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3_Butt_Cheeks: Personal income?

You can thank outsourcing geniuses like Mitt Romney for that.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Saying the economy is pretty good is demonstrably false.

It certainly is when you can see it back to levels when Obama took office, this is even in the face of unprecedented obstruction by Republican opposition. Imagine if he had a veto proof majority. 

Son. You don't even have a degree in IT, stop trying to pretend you know the first thing about economics.


But what about the stock market? Surely you know how THAT has cratered under the commie usurper!!1!
 
2012-10-27 07:20:34 PM
Romney: Red China? where?
 
2012-10-27 07:27:58 PM

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Your obsession with my education still provides amusement.


Herp durrrrrrrr .



Well said.
 
2012-10-27 07:30:08 PM

Linux_Yes: Romney: Red China? where?


Maybe he gets his foreign policy ideas from Billy Joel?
 
2012-10-27 07:36:40 PM

Mrbogey: jso2897: Nobody smart is saying that. It would be a meaningless, subjective attempt to discuss a fluid phenomenon as a static one, and incapable of being true or false.

Oh you damn Austrians and your hatred of quantifiable data!

Funny, when times are so bad even the metrics suck it's time we start soft qualitative comparisons.

Yes, things are bad... but they could be worse!!!


Lolwut.
 
2012-10-27 07:41:26 PM
I love how Fark threads turn into a bottleneck of troll derp near the last few...
 
2012-10-27 07:43:43 PM

intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Well said.


DEEEERp pil rage RAGE!!! hurrrr derp derp LIARS!!!1 derp hurrr



Excellent.
 
2012-10-27 07:45:11 PM
Heh.
 
2012-10-27 08:30:51 PM
He who increaseth knowledge, increaseth fiscal probity.

/I got nothin'
 
2012-10-27 08:56:18 PM
I'm voting for Romney because he'll outsource to other countries The Presidency, The Congress, State Legislators, Defense, & Healthcare...thereby saving us taxpayers TRILLION$


/not sure if I'm serious
 
2012-10-27 09:03:21 PM

NFA: Good GOD Romney is a lying f*cktard.


Yep. But he's a nice, rich, mom-jean-wearing, God-fearing white man, so at least a third of the country will vote for him even as he lies over and over again, right into their stupid, scared faces, because he's "one of them" even as he makes fun of them and disinfects his hand after every shake.
 
2012-10-27 09:07:38 PM

FormlessOne: "one of them"


geeble gobble, geeble gobble
one of us, one of us
 
2012-10-27 09:24:06 PM

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.
 
2012-10-27 09:29:49 PM

Mrbogey: He specifically shut down a large chunk of the oil industry in Louisiana by declaring a moratorium on drilling. Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done. He did the same with the Keystone pipeline.


Yes, that's why Oil Production has increased since he took office.
 
2012-10-27 09:32:38 PM

MurphyMurphy: FormlessOne: "one of them"

geeble gobble, geeble gobble
one of us, one of us


Always room for more
www.orangejuiceblog.com
 
2012-10-27 09:36:11 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: intelligent comment below: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Well said.


DEEEERp pil rage RAGE!!! hurrrr derp derp LIARS!!!1 derp hurrr


Excellent.


Your Masters in Cybersecurity allows you to change posts to what you want them to say?
 
2012-10-27 09:37:03 PM

Mrbogey: Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done.


ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com

Damn you Obamaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
 
2012-10-27 09:41:11 PM

Fart_Machine: Mrbogey: Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done.

[ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com image 570x378]

Damn you Obamaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!


Treehuggers blew up the Deepwater Horizon.

/This is what wingnuts actually believe
 
2012-10-27 10:16:08 PM

Fart_Machine: Mrbogey: He specifically shut down a large chunk of the oil industry in Louisiana by declaring a moratorium on drilling. Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done. He did the same with the Keystone pipeline.

Yes, that's why Oil Production has increased since he took office.


This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.
 
2012-10-27 10:31:20 PM

Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.


imageshack.us

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2012-10-27 10:34:54 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.


Maybe you should stand somewhere else.
 
2012-10-27 10:48:49 PM

Mentat: Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.

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You done proving my point about how you and others don't actually face the facts that prove you wrong and instead change the argument to fit facts you do like?

cnnmoneytalkback.files.wordpress.com

www.cfact.org

I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.
 
2012-10-27 11:01:50 PM

Mrbogey: Mentat: Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.

[imageshack.us image 653x470]

[imageshack.us image 520x354]

[imageshack.us image 225x280]

You done proving my point about how you and others don't actually face the facts that prove you wrong and instead change the argument to fit facts you do like?

[cnnmoneytalkback.files.wordpress.com image 614x340]

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I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.


img7.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-27 11:10:15 PM

Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.

Maybe you should stand somewhere else.


Easy to say, very hard to do. And there is no guarantee that there are accounting jobs available for 63 year old ex-Controllers with 40 years experience in other areas.

I've tried to get lower level accounting jobs but, of course, I'm overqualified. The problem is that there is room for only one Accounting Manager or Controller in any given company, and right now there is a dearth of companies. I've talked to people at Robert Half and they've indicated things are still pretty dismal nationwide for upper level accounting slots.

There is, of course, the double whammy of the Middle Class Curse: making too much for public assistance and too little to get the medical help my wife needs on my own. Psych meds are expensive.
 
2012-10-27 11:11:18 PM

Mrbogey: Mentat: Mrbogey: This is what I'm talking about. Objectively the numbers are bad for your side so you reject them and create a new measurement. Oil production in the gulf has fell since his moratorium was placed. He has further issued fewer permits for drilling. What increase happened in the beginning of his term he had zero to do with. Oil drilling takes time and his administration has deprioritized it. And his response to the Deepwater Horizon spill? Shut it down along with dozens of other wells that had nowhere near the risk with not a shred of it being based on sound science.

It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.

[imageshack.us image 653x470]

[imageshack.us image 520x354]

[imageshack.us image 225x280]

You done proving my point about how you and others don't actually face the facts that prove you wrong and instead change the argument to fit facts you do like?

[cnnmoneytalkback.files.wordpress.com image 614x340]

[www.cfact.org image 629x357]

I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.


You do realize that drillers are sitting on a lot of those permits because they don't have the equipment or manpower to drill everything all at once...right?
 
2012-10-27 11:11:48 PM

intelligent comment below: Notabunny: guilt by association: A friend of mine from high school blames Obama periodically on his facebook and thinks the right wing lies about the deficit are true. He really thinks electing Romney will help him get a job in his field (he finished college two years ago) because we "need a businessman" in the white house despite the fact we just had one in there.

My sister-inlaw is like that. She's an otherwise intelligent woman. I don't get it.


They both are white Christians.

Tell me I'm wrong


Being a Wizard again, I see. Damn, it must be Kewl to be omniscient.
 
2012-10-27 11:19:51 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: You do realize that drillers are sitting on a lot of those permits because they don't have the equipment or manpower to drill everything all at once...right?


The idea that there could be multiple causes for things is way beyond this derpster's ability to comprehend. If there are several reasons for anything, and one of them COULD be that it's Obama's fault, then his default reason for that thing is that it IS Obama's fault; and furthermore that it's Obama's fault because of some nefarious and evil purpose to destroy America that only he (the derpster) understands.

You could show him charts and lay out logical reasons why oil revenues in Louisiana are down--both things Obama can control and things Obama cannot control--and he will latch onto only the things Obama can control and infer that Obama is doing these things SOLELY to destroy the oil companies that create money for Louisiana conservatives so that he can rule the world. There's no point in arguing otherwise with him. Facts like oil-rig destruction with Hurricanes Katrina and Ike, decreased ability to drill due to lack of manpower and equipment, regulatory shutdowns under EPA guidelines to improve safety that Obama could not override, shifts in demand due to increased production in other parts of the country...none of these matter to the derpster. His only concern right here and now is that we're not drilling in Louisiana and he can blame it on Obama. You might as well be arguing with a wall.
 
2012-10-27 11:20:37 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.

Maybe you should stand somewhere else.

Easy to say, very hard to do. And there is no guarantee that there are accounting jobs available for 63 year old ex-Controllers with 40 years experience in other areas.

I've tried to get lower level accounting jobs but, of course, I'm overqualified. The problem is that there is room for only one Accounting Manager or Controller in any given company, and right now there is a dearth of companies. I've talked to people at Robert Half and they've indicated things are still pretty dismal nationwide for upper level accounting slots.

There is, of course, the double whammy of the Middle Class Curse: making too much for public assistance and too little to get the medical help my wife needs on my own. Psych meds are expensive.


Are you trying to tell me that a guy your age not being able to find a job in your field has something to do with Obama? Seriously?
 
2012-10-27 11:26:06 PM

Fart_Machine: neenerist: Mrbogey: ...... give billions to companies that would go bankrupt in a few years, follow it all up with a nice speech and good things would happen.

If you know that, why waste your superpowers on Fark? Get out there and short those stocks, live the Republican dream. At that level of certainty it's free money.

Using a loan program that originated under Bush. But he's not really interested in facts.


Please note the operative qualifier. The programs were not originated by Bush nor were the adopted programs the same as those originally proposed during Bush's final days in office.

But thanks for trying.

Mrbogey: Gyrfalcon: You have to ignore him...he believes in a mythic time when life was perfect, the economy was balanced, there were no poor people (at least none worth mentioning), America was the supreme Super Power and had no enemies, politicians were Perfect and never told untruths to their people, colored people knew their place (in the fields and kitchens), and nothing went wrong. All this once existed and can exist again if only the right person was in the White House...and it's hard to know who that might be, because I guarantee you if Romney was there, this freak would be biatching within six months about the same things he's biatching about now. And for just about the same reasons.

Dear God, that poor... poor strawman. Will you think of its family?


Truth is not strawman.
 
2012-10-27 11:39:58 PM
Hey MrBogey, are you the same guy who trolls Wackbag.com with your nonsense? DonTheTrucker and MayrMeninoCrash say hi.
 
2012-10-28 12:04:23 AM

Gyrfalcon: The idea that there could be multiple causes for things is way beyond this derpster's ability to comprehend. If there are several reasons for anything, and one of them COULD be that it's Obama's fault, then his default reason for that thing is that it IS Obama's fault; and furthermore that it's Obama's fault because of some nefarious and evil purpose to destroy America that only he (the derpster) understands.

You could show him charts and lay out logical reasons why oil revenues in Louisiana are down--both things Obama can control and things Obama cannot control--and he will latch onto only the things Obama can control and infer that Obama is doing these things SOLELY to destroy the oil companies that create money for Louisiana conservatives so that he can rule the world. There's no point in arguing otherwise with him. Facts like oil-rig destruction with Hurricanes Katrina and Ike, decreased ability to drill due to lack of manpower and equipment, regulatory shutdowns under EPA guidelines to improve safety that Obama could not override, shifts in demand due to increased production in other parts of the country...none of these matter to the derpster. His only concern right here and now is that we're not drilling in Louisiana and he can blame it on Obama. You might as well be arguing with a wall.


I read that in David Attenborough's voice.
 
2012-10-28 12:07:36 AM

Bontesla: cameroncrazy1984: 10 more days of putting up with Mitt Romney's constant lying. Just ten more.

Where do you think Romney's going to go? He's an entitled prick that's coasting through a boring retirement. And his base is filled with insane people. We're going to hear about how Obama stole the election for two more years.


Two years? Try the rest of or damn lives. They'll make the 2000 Florida argument look reasoned and brief.
 
2012-10-28 12:28:02 AM

Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.

Maybe you should stand somewhere else.

Easy to say, very hard to do. And there is no guarantee that there are accounting jobs available for 63 year old ex-Controllers with 40 years experience in other areas.

I've tried to get lower level accounting jobs but, of course, I'm overqualified. The problem is that there is room for only one Accounting Manager or Controller in any given company, and right now there is a dearth of companies. I've talked to people at Robert Half and they've indicated things are still pretty dismal nationwide for upper level accounting slots.

There is, of course, the double whammy of the Middle Class Curse: making too much for public assistance and too little to get the medical help my wife needs on my own. Psych meds are expensive.

Are you trying to tell me that a guy your age not being able to find a job in your field has something to do with Obama? Seriously?


Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?
 
2012-10-28 12:29:53 AM
derp
 
2012-10-28 12:34:25 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?


Serious question:

Do you think the economy is better or worse now than it was in 2009?
 
2012-10-28 12:39:47 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Not from where I'm standing. More people out of work, more homeless, more stores closed. Even the temp accounting jobs have dried up. The farking temp agencies are laying off people.

Maybe you should stand somewhere else.

Easy to say, very hard to do. And there is no guarantee that there are accounting jobs available for 63 year old ex-Controllers with 40 years experience in other areas.

I've tried to get lower level accounting jobs but, of course, I'm overqualified. The problem is that there is room for only one Accounting Manager or Controller in any given company, and right now there is a dearth of companies. I've talked to people at Robert Half and they've indicated things are still pretty dismal nationwide for upper level accounting slots.

There is, of course, the double whammy of the Middle Class Curse: making too much for public assistance and too little to get the medical help my wife needs on my own. Psych meds are expensive.

Are you trying to tell me that a guy your age not being able to find a job in your field has something to do with Obama? Seriously?

Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?


Well, the economy isn't really shiatty at all, so you're wrong about that. What made the economy shiatty was undeniably Republican policies that have led to the outsourcing of jobs and the deregulation of banks that get to create assets wholesale and then value them however they want until the market gets wise, at which point we taxpayers have to bail them out or they'll kill the paper money market and other important loan-giving markets and plunge the country into depression.
 
2012-10-28 12:50:19 AM
Yes, yes, Romney is a shameless liar who doesn't even care if you call his lies out, he just keeps telling them anyway.

Nothing new there. Or the liars in this thread trying to defend him, all of whom are already on my killfile for being shameless liars themselves.
 
2012-10-28 01:25:30 AM

Mentat: Gyrfalcon: The idea that there could be multiple causes for things is way beyond this derpster's ability to comprehend. If there are several reasons for anything, and one of them COULD be that it's Obama's fault, then his default reason for that thing is that it IS Obama's fault; and furthermore that it's Obama's fault because of some nefarious and evil purpose to destroy America that only he (the derpster) understands.

You could show him charts and lay out logical reasons why oil revenues in Louisiana are down--both things Obama can control and things Obama cannot control--and he will latch onto only the things Obama can control and infer that Obama is doing these things SOLELY to destroy the oil companies that create money for Louisiana conservatives so that he can rule the world. There's no point in arguing otherwise with him. Facts like oil-rig destruction with Hurricanes Katrina and Ike, decreased ability to drill due to lack of manpower and equipment, regulatory shutdowns under EPA guidelines to improve safety that Obama could not override, shifts in demand due to increased production in other parts of the country...none of these matter to the derpster. His only concern right here and now is that we're not drilling in Louisiana and he can blame it on Obama. You might as well be arguing with a wall.

I read that in David Attenborough's voice.


[bows] I'm flattered.
 
2012-10-28 01:26:08 AM

Mrbogey: I cite production and permits on federal lands because federal is what Obama has control of. You refuse to do so because that makes Obama look bad. So you include land and production Obama CAN NOT control so it makes him look better.


Uh, your very own graph shows that it's approved leases on BLM land. The BLM does the leases. Decides which land to lease, makes up the contracts, examines the bids, gives out the permits. Duuuhhhhh.

/used to work for them.
 
2012-10-28 01:44:42 AM
I continue to chuckle at Republicans, in their quest to smear Obama, continue to outright admit that Reaganomics is bullsh*t.

The stock market is high. Taxes are low (especially on the wealthiest among us) and riddled with loopholes (that, again, especially benefit the wealthiest Americans). Thus, the rich are richer than ever. And yet, the less-wealthy classes are only recovering slowly at best. And despite all this, they'll continue to insist that, after THIS round of deregulation, tax cuts and corporate handouts, the wealth will start to really trickle down!
 
2012-10-28 02:08:31 AM
So Romney does actually admit that Bush did actually f*ck up the country. Interesting.

Whatever it takes to win, I guess.
 
2012-10-28 02:12:23 AM

whidbey: So Romney does actually admit that Bush did actually f*ck up the country. Interesting.

Whatever it takes to win, I guess.


The official Republican party line seems to be 'He-who-shall-not-be-named farked up the country, sure. But Obama didn't clean up fast enough! Therefore, elect Romney, who will roll the nation's policies back to ~November '08 (except with troops in Iran instead of Iraq), then cut taxes EVEN MORE.'
 
2012-10-28 02:45:47 AM
Here it is for the GOP clowns working overtime to convince voters that things are terrible:
Is the country better off than it was 4 years ago? Well, take a look at your 401k, take a look at unemployment - these numbers are both better than they were the day Bush left office. Is it spectacular? Is it amazing? No. But republiclowns are kidding themselves if they think they can convince everyone that the grass on their side of the street is greener.
 
2012-10-28 03:02:34 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?


Sorry, but a guy your age is not going to find a job in your field. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Start a little tax business or something. Nobody is going to hire you.
 
2012-10-28 03:29:42 AM

intelligent comment below: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?

Sorry, but a guy your age is not going to find a job in your field. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Start a little tax business or something. Nobody is going to hire you.


His online persona is a lie. He's a 20-something kid shilling for conservatives because he was taught in the military that Republicans are the party of God


Even if it not, it's not his age, it's his attitude that keeps him from being hired. Virtually guaranteed.
 
2012-10-28 03:31:56 AM

Gyrfalcon: intelligent comment below: Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?

Sorry, but a guy your age is not going to find a job in your field. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Start a little tax business or something. Nobody is going to hire you.


His online persona is a lie. He's a 20-something kid shilling for conservatives because he was taught in the military that Republicans are the party of God

Even if it not, it's not his age, it's his attitude that keeps him from being hired. Virtually guaranteed.


Clearly all lies. NOTHING is ever a Republican's fault. It's always the fault of the Democrats, or the minorities, or the Liberal Media™.

But remember, they're the party of Personal Responsibility!
 
2012-10-28 04:05:46 AM

FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?


Citation STILL needed.
 
2012-10-28 04:21:12 AM

armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.


DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
 
2012-10-28 05:02:33 AM

dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.

Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.
 
2012-10-28 05:29:18 AM

intelligent comment below: armoredbulldozer: Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.


You sound really really tired


I'm wide awake actually. I keep a different schedule.
 
2012-10-28 05:34:09 AM

Mrbogey: He specifically shut down a large chunk of the oil industry in Louisiana by declaring a moratorium on drilling. Oil production promptly fell in Louisiana and easily hundreds of millions of dollars of economic damage was done.


Yes, after the Deepwater Horizon went "boom" and it was shown that the regulators weren't doing their jobs. It makes sense to put a temporary moratorium on new drilling until they can get things sorted out. That doesn't seem remotely unreasonable.

The US is currently producing record amounts of oil and is on track to be #1 in the world in terms of oil production (ahead of Saudi Arabia). The US has had four straight years of increasing crude oil production and this year has seen the biggest single-year gain since 1951.

He did the same with the Keystone pipeline.

He objected to the Keystone pipeline's proposed route because it went over major aquifers that supplied water to the bulk of the food-producing regions of the country. An oil leak could have compromised the aquifer and caused enormous damage to the ability of the US to produce food. He has no objections to the pipeline itself, just the proposed routing. Republicans were trying to push his reasoned opposition to a potentially-dangerous route as "ZOMG HE'S OPPOSING THE PIPELINE" when that simply wasn't true.

Also, most of the oil moved through the pipeline would be exported and not used in the US. Is that really what we want? The number of long-term jobs that would be created or maintained due to the pipeline are relatively small.

And should we even get into what the ACA has done to the insurance industry?

Yes, please. The ACA was a massive handout to insurance companies.
 
2012-10-28 06:07:33 AM

Nucleus: No. But republiclowns are kidding themselves if they think they can convince everyone that the grass on their side of the street is greener.


Convince everyone? Definitely not.
Convince themselves? Well, that's all they are interested in to begin with.

All they have to do is keep clicking their heels together and repeating the instructed phrase

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the economy has always been ruined under Democrats.

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2012-10-28 08:14:59 AM

armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.


As I have written above, my IRA has doubled since Obama took office. During Bush's 8 years, it barely went up 25% net.
 
2012-10-28 08:23:40 AM

MurphyMurphy: Nucleus: No. But republiclowns are kidding themselves if they think they can convince everyone that the grass on their side of the street is greener.

Convince everyone? Definitely not.
Convince themselves? Well, that's all they are interested in to begin with.

All they have to do is keep clicking their heels together and repeating the instructed phrase

After all,
the economy has always been good under Republicans,
the economy has always been ruined under Democrats.

After all, the economy has always been good under Republicans, the economy has always been ruined under Democrats.

After all, the economy has always been good under Republicans, the economy has always been ruined under Democrats.After all,the economy hasalways beengood underRepublicans, theeconomy hasalways beenruined underDemocrats.

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Nice wall of derp...

Now go beat off to MSNBC, moran.
 
2012-10-28 08:51:39 AM

lantawa: Now go beat off to MSNBC, moran.


as a moran, i should probably get a brain

I don't really watch any cable news channels...
but as to your suggestion, if I had to beat off to any news channel,
thesocietypages.org
it would be cnbc money or nothing at all
 
2012-10-28 08:59:45 AM

MurphyMurphy: lantawa: Now go beat off to MSNBC, moran.

as a moran, i should probably get a brain

I don't really watch any cable news channels...
but as to your suggestion, if I had to beat off to any news channel,
[thesocietypages.org image 368x278]
it would be cnbc money or nothing at all


I concur. Happy Elections.....
 
2012-10-28 10:05:55 AM

Tor_Eckman: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Did I say that? No, I didn't. My not being able to find a job has to do with the shiatty economy. So, why don't you tell me why the economy is shiatty?

Sorry, but a guy your age is not going to find a job in your field. It has nothing to do with the economy.

Start a little tax business or something. Nobody is going to hire you.


Yeah, I'm been coming to that conclusion myself. The modern corporate concern with image (packaging) means the companies are going after the young squirts straight out of college. They don't really have to know shiat about accounting (I've hired - and fired - a few in my day) by if they know how to make a spiffy Powerpoint presentation they're in like flint.

My wife tells me I'm "too old, too fat and too white" to compete.

Also, after 500+ resumes sent out, I'm just farking tired of the bullshiat. I busted my butt for 40+ years working 10+ hours per day, made a good chunk of money, and paid a lot of taxes to support a lot of people. My turn. My strategy is to get occasional temp accounting jobs to refresh the UI, do some occasional under-the-table spreadsheet work, eventually get the Section 8 "Shelter + Care" voucher, and hang on until my Social Security gets maxed. I'm working on a couple of novels.
 
2012-10-28 10:07:32 AM

Diagonal: Please note the operative qualifier. The programs were not originated by Bush nor were the adopted programs the same as those originally proposed during Bush's final days in office.

But thanks for trying.


Yeah, about that. 

The Energy Department's loan guarantee program was created as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by Bush.
 
2012-10-28 10:21:56 AM

Mrbogey: It's not happenstance that oil and coal workers are against the guy in significant numbers. Your attempt to spin stats isn't putting food on their tables.


I guess when you mandate that coal workers attend Romney rallies it would seem that way. Gotta catapult the propaganda.

I'm sure the fishing industry in Louisiana shares your concern about food being taken from their tables.

Yeah, who needed a moratorium. After all BP said their rig was safe. If another incident had occurred you could then blame Obama for that one too.
 
2012-10-28 11:29:32 AM

heypete: Yes, after the Deepwater Horizon went "boom" and it was shown that the regulators weren't doing their jobs. It makes sense to put a temporary moratorium on new drilling until they can get things sorted out. That doesn't seem remotely unreasonable.


Except to the judge who suspended the moratorium because the administration didn't use sound reasoning. When a model of car is found to have a defect, they recall that model. They don't shut down every vehicle. The moratorium shut down projects that weren't anywhere near as risky as the Deepwater Horizon.

heypete: He objected to the Keystone pipeline's proposed route because it went over major aquifers that supplied water to the bulk of the food-producing regions of the country. An oil leak could have compromised the aquifer and caused enormous damage to the ability of the US to produce food.


This is a myth-
Link

It's especially noteworthy as a myth as there's already several pipeline running across the aquifer.

heypete: Also, most of the oil moved through the pipeline would be exported and not used in the US. Is that really what we want?


Most of the oil produced by the tar sands isn't going to be used in the US anyway. Coincidentally, a major Obama contributor bought up the rails it'll be transported on just before Obama canceled it. Talk about clever investing.

Fart_Machine: I guess when you mandate that coal workers attend Romney rallies it would seem that way.


Except they didn't.

It's telling when such an obvious lie is so popularly embraced. But you see, you live in an echo chamber. Everyone else here wants it to be true so they keep reaffirming the lie. Same as with the oil production.

Fart_Machine: I'm sure the fishing industry in Louisiana shares your concern about food being taken from their tables.


Yup, the president really has shown he doesn't care about them. Wanna guess how Louisiana's fisherman are gonna vote this year?

Fart_Machine: Yeah, who needed a moratorium. After all BP said their rig was safe. If another incident had occurred you could then blame Obama for that one too.


And yet the courts ruled the moratorium was too broad and arbitrary. Why is that the people who have to look at the evidence arrived at different conclusions that your kneejerk reaction?

But don't let facts affect your beliefs. You stay just as "unique" as you are.
 
2012-10-28 12:27:50 PM

Mrbogey: t's telling when such an obvious lie is so popularly embraced. But you see, you live in an echo chamber. Everyone else here wants it to be true so they keep reaffirming the lie. Same as with the oil production.


So that must be why they made the meeting mandatory? I like it repeats the War on Coal myth. Before we get LOLThinkProgress you might want to explain why coal jobs have increased. That echo chamber might be your head.

Mrbogey: Yup, the president really has shown he doesn't care about them. Wanna guess how Louisiana's fisherman are gonna vote this year?


LOLWUT? I guess we need more oil spills to show he really cares?

Mrbogey: When a model of car is found to have a defect, they recall that model. They don't shut down every vehicle.


Wow that's a dumb analogy. Yeah, proposing a moratorium in a particular region to re-evaluate regulations after the worst spill in US history is totally unreasonable.

Mrbogey: And yet the courts ruled the moratorium was too broad and arbitrary.


Judicial activism at its finest
 
2012-10-28 12:57:20 PM

Fart_Machine: So that must be why they made the meeting mandatory?


Except no roll was taken. Mandatory yet no keeping tabs of personnel attending. How's your brain wrap that one together?

Fart_Machine: I like it repeats the War on Coal myth. Before we get LOLThinkProgress you might want to explain why coal jobs have increased. That echo chamber might be your head.


Link
www.votefacts.org

Fart_Machine: Wow that's a dumb analogy. Yeah, proposing a moratorium in a particular region to re-evaluate regulations after the worst spill in US history is totally unreasonable.


Again, I know your kneejerk reaction is to view it as reasonable. The people in the industry and the courts disagree with you. The facts disagree with you.

Fart_Machine: Judicial activism at its finest


Uhhh...

In overturning the moratorium, the judge said he could not find adequate justification for its "immense scope." For one thing, he noted, it prohibited drilling at depths of 500 feet or more -- not 1,000 feet, as some experts consulted by the agency had recommended. (The Interior Department, by the way, didn't do itself any favors by making it seem as if the experts supported the 500-foot moratorium.) For another, the government did not show any risk of safety problems on the 33 other deepwater rigs already drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

As Feldman put it, "Are all airplanes a danger because one was?" Well, no, but if one model of airplane has demonstrated safety problems, the government can ground similar ones to check for problems. And if there is no way to manage the results of a crash -- if you can't even get ambulances to the scene -- then you might want to err on the side of caution.


But the pelicans!

Even the author only decides it's judicial activism solely because the judge overturned the administration... because that's what the left believes judicial activism is. Telling the gov't "no, it can't."
 
2012-10-28 01:04:23 PM
Note: Before you go "But ThinkProgress says jobs are up!"

They looked only at West Virginia. Coal mining exists outside of one state. Again, that goes back to how when the facts aren't on your side you find a metric that does support it.
 
2012-10-28 01:11:19 PM
Oh, missed that they also looked at Virginia's coal mining employment. But only in percentage.

You're probably wondering why I neglected Pennsylvania. Because they only talked of percentile change in employment in coal connected jobs and not total actual coal mining jobs.
 
2012-10-28 01:14:23 PM
I like how your chart omits data prior to 2009 which shows a significant increase compared to the last decade. It also covers more than West Virginia. Reading comprehension is hard apparently.
 
2012-10-28 02:26:34 PM

Fart_Machine: I like how your chart omits data prior to 2009 which shows a significant increase compared to the last decade. It also covers more than West Virginia. Reading comprehension is hard apparently.


Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about Obama and how it was since he took office. Sorry I blew apart your false narrative that coal workers have more work today than they did in January 2009.
 
2012-10-28 02:51:30 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Lando Lincoln: He's such a lying sack of shiat. I cannot fathom how anybody would see that this guy would make a decent President.

There are those that believe the lies, no matter how blatantly obvious they are


Yeah, only about half the population of the United States.
 
2012-10-28 03:12:57 PM

Mrbogey: Fart_Machine: I like how your chart omits data prior to 2009 which shows a significant increase compared to the last decade. It also covers more than West Virginia. Reading comprehension is hard apparently.

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were talking about Obama and how it was since he took office. Sorry I blew apart your false narrative that coal workers have more work today than they did in January 2009.


So you're saying that Bush had a War on Coal since the number of workers in the industry was the same or lower that Obama?

Yeah I'm the one with the narrative here. You're funny.
 
2012-10-28 03:21:26 PM

Fart_Machine: Mrbogey: t's telling when such an obvious lie is so popularly embraced. But you see, you live in an echo chamber. Everyone else here wants it to be true so they keep reaffirming the lie. Same as with the oil production.

So that must be why they made the meeting mandatory? I like it repeats the War on Coal myth. Before we get LOLThinkProgress you might want to explain why coal jobs have increased. That echo chamber might be your head.

Mrbogey: Yup, the president really has shown he doesn't care about them. Wanna guess how Louisiana's fisherman are gonna vote this year?

LOLWUT? I guess we need more oil spills to show he really cares?

Mrbogey: When a model of car is found to have a defect, they recall that model. They don't shut down every vehicle.

Wow that's a dumb analogy. Yeah, proposing a moratorium in a particular region to re-evaluate regulations after the worst spill in US history is totally unreasonable.

Mrbogey: And yet the courts ruled the moratorium was too broad and arbitrary.

Judicial activism at its finest


So much Derp here and so little time. I don't know where you work but mandatory and optional have different meanings. And since you didn't read the WP article why not say so instead of whining about it being "pro-Obama".
 
2012-10-28 08:25:39 PM

dericwater: armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.

As I have written above, my IRA has doubled since Obama took office. During Bush's 8 years, it barely went up 25% net.


Apparently you know little about investing. No matter who is president, something is doing good. You just have to have a good adviser, like I do. Obama is a twunt. He farked up the economy, and should be impeached for violating the War Powers Act. But you SF people are too busy walking around naked to know anything about history or economics.
 
2012-10-28 09:19:42 PM
 
2012-10-28 09:37:24 PM

intelligent comment below: armoredbulldozer: like I do.


Yes of course, another conservative concerned troll who is smart, rich, and very successful. Sounds legit


Oh, so just because I don't like Obama I'm a troll?
 
2012-10-28 09:39:20 PM

intelligent comment below: armoredbulldozer: But you SF people are too busy walking around naked to know anything about history or economics.


You just admitted you have to have a financial adviser because you know nothing about economics. So now which is it? Are you so smart you can do it on your own or are you so dumb you need to PAY someone to invest for you?


Well, you have to have some smarts to make it all work. I'll retire at age 55 in spite of Obama farking up our country.
 
2012-10-29 02:35:57 AM

armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: dericwater: armoredbulldozer: FlashHarry: the economy is demonstrably better than when obama took office by every single measure. how the fark does this asshole get away with lying like that? why doesn't the press tell the truth?

Citation STILL needed.

DJIA around January, 2009: about 6500.
DJIA today, November, 2012: about 13,000.

The doubling of the DJIA in four years is most impressive.
Oh brother. Like I said, Obama has no record to run on.

Obama is the worst president in history. Jimmy Carter is thrilled!!

Tell me about the almost 1 Trillion wasted on the so-called stimulus that sent money to Finland, South America, and other places that don't deserve it. My money did well during the Clinton and Bush years. Luckily, I went conservative on my investments before things went to hell in 2008.

As I have written above, my IRA has doubled since Obama took office. During Bush's 8 years, it barely went up 25% net.

Apparently you know little about investing. No matter who is president, something is doing good. You just have to have a good adviser, like I do. Obama is a twunt. He farked up the economy, and should be impeached for violating the War Powers Act. But you SF people are too busy walking around naked to know anything about history or economics.


Here's the thing. I don't know enough about investing. I work with Vanguard. I put my money in various funds in Vanguard. I'm not prone to move my money around. I do the long-term pick and hold. I picked in Clinton's term and held. And held through Bush's and held through to Obama. I made maybe 3 changes the whole time (once in '98, once in 2008 and once in 2010). If I did more of what I should have done, I would have moved everything from Clinton's time, which was almost all in equity, into bonds during Bush's time, then move back to equity during Obama's time. If so, I wouldn't have lost that much during Bush's time and would gain even more in Obama's term.
 
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