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(Daily Mail)   Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind: Uncompromising pictures from inside America's overcrowded prison system show the cramped lives lived by more than two million inmates   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 463
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2012-10-27 04:31:46 PM

Repo Man: Here's just one: eliminate prison rape. There is no excuse for prison rape. No one deserves it (no civilized country punishes people with rape), and if we as a country decided to, it could either be eliminated entirely, or made incredibly rare. It exists because we collectively tolerate it.


We don't tolerate it. Just how big of a problem do you this it is?

Unless you keep everyone in shackles all the time or isolated in cells there's a risk of bad things happening. There are a lot of bad people in prison.
 
2012-10-27 04:34:19 PM

EnderX: So let me get this straight, prison has become such a unpleasant place that we should stop sending criminals there?

Do you know that the recidivism rates for released prisoners in the United States of America is 60%

If it is so unpleasant, why do the criminals keep making the decision to commit crimes and put themselves back in such a hellish place?


In Norway, with its 21-year-max rehabilitation system, recidivism is 20%. They fix people and they stay fixed.

Americans identify with punishment more than healing. If we believe criminals are irredeemably bad we can believe we who are not them are incorruptible and entitled. Admitting other people are similar but for quantifiable and mostly adjustable circumstances is offensive.
 
2012-10-27 04:34:42 PM

omgwtfetc: MrHelpful: omgwtfetc: MrHelpful: omgwtfetc: MrHelpful: charmbomb: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x511]

Hope they are careful about which of these fine upstanding young men get released.

I see you are trolling.

A good friend of mine farked up and went to jail. Not a bad kid, just was in a bad way and got caught with a friend with drugs. His friend threw him under the bus for bigger shiat so that he could get off lighter. My friend went in a misguided kid that made a mistake, and came out looking like those guys and had a far bigger view of the world of crime. People learn to be dregs of society in prison, because that's what you have to do to get by.

It's quite amazing how everyone has a story. It's never their fault. And even if it is, well, it's not. And if you disagree, you're trolling. Brilliant!

It's a lot easier to just assume everyone gets exactly what they deserve, right?

Frankly, it's been my experience in life, that's exactly what happens. It's called karma. You should try it some time.

So can I go ahead and assume you're a white male of a mainstream religious denomination?

No you can't. But thanks for playing.

Then what is it that gives you so much confidence that the world is just and equitable?


Are you honestly suggesting that the only people who think the world is "just and equitable" are white religious guys? Wow.
 
2012-10-27 04:35:34 PM
The first example in the story is of a 14 year old who, gasp, was sentenced to a youth detention center and then was taken from his mommy and sent to a "school for troubled teens" for nine months. Something tells me there is a LOT more to that particular story than a "corrupt" judge.

Sentenced to a private facility by a judge who has since been convicted of receiving kickbacks for sentencing kids to private facilities. This is a blatant illustration of the conflict of interest inherent in for profit prisons/detention centers.
 
2012-10-27 04:38:08 PM

Nem Wan: If we believe criminals are irredeemably bad we can believe we who are not them are incorruptible and entitled. Admitting other people are similar but for quantifiable and mostly adjustable circumstances is offensive.


Liberal BS.
 
2012-10-27 04:40:16 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Has anyone pointed out yet that JAIL and PRISON are not the same thing?

Way to go writer.


Exactly. Not sure why a picture from a county jail was included in an article about prison overcrowding. Granted jails have overcrowding too, but most inmates have yet to be convicted of a crime.
 
2012-10-27 04:41:25 PM
I still can't get my head around the dichotomy that people who highly value freedom think that others who participate in activities which affect no one but themselves should be sent to prison.

But then I've never been good at doublethink, which is one of the reasons I'm not conservative.
 
2012-10-27 04:42:01 PM
The majority of the people in those photos would vote for Democrats.

If they could vote.

//Make of that what you will...

///I'm just sayin'
 
2012-10-27 04:43:25 PM

mike0023: Nem Wan: If we believe criminals are irredeemably bad we can believe we who are not them are incorruptible and entitled. Admitting other people are similar but for quantifiable and mostly adjustable circumstances is offensive.

Liberal BS.


And... how?
 
2012-10-27 04:43:30 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Repo Man: Or maybe a system that doesn't just put those who can be salvaged in with those who cannot.

That's actually a good idea... so... like... different levels of prison. Where we try to keep the dangerous and incorrigible in certain prisons where we have heightened security... more and taller fences... less inmate freedoms... that kinda thing. Then something at the other end for non-violent and first offender types where they can take classes... even do work outside the prison to learn a skill.

You should write a letter dude... that is a farking excellent idea.


Don't they already have those? In theory, at least?. Or were you being facetious?
 
2012-10-27 04:43:52 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Repo Man: Here's just one: eliminate prison rape. There is no excuse for prison rape. No one deserves it (no civilized country punishes people with rape), and if we as a country decided to, it could either be eliminated entirely, or made incredibly rare. It exists because we collectively tolerate it.

We don't tolerate it. Just how big of a problem do you this it is?

Unless you keep everyone in shackles all the time or isolated in cells there's a risk of bad things happening. There are a lot of bad people in prison.


If we don't tolerate it, then why is it so common?

The Bureau of Justice Statistics confirmed this human rights crisis last month. It says that nearly one in 10 prisoners report having been raped or sexually assaulted by other inmates, staff or both.

That's why the release of a separate report by the National Prison Rape Elimination Commission, which was created by Congress in 2003, is so important. It challenges our society to take seriously a problem that has ruined many lives.

The website of the health and human rights organization Just Detention International (JDI) tells some of the inmates' troubling stories.

"While I was in an Arkansas state prison, I was raped by at least 27 different inmates over a nine-month period," said Bryson Martel Spruce, a bisexual former inmate. "I don't have to tell you that it was the worst nine months of my life."

Spruce contracted HIV as a result of the attacks. "Standards are needed to protect people like me," he said before he died in 2010.


USA Today, Nightmare of prison rape
 
2012-10-27 04:45:11 PM

Nem Wan: In Norway, with its 21-year-max rehabilitation system, recidivism is 20%. They fix people and they stay fixed.


Maybe they aren't as "broken" when they go in. Are they better educated, able to find gainful employment when the come out?


The most successful programs that keep people from re-offending are jobs programs. Unfortunately the days are gone when someone with on high-school diploma or less can get out of jail and find a job that will pay a decent wage. And since they pretty much do background checks for even the most menial jobs these days someone with a record is going to be hard pressed to turn his life around even if he is willing. And when they are offered jobs, like picking crops most of them quit.
 
2012-10-27 04:45:17 PM

Nem Wan: mike0023: Nem Wan: If we believe criminals are irredeemably bad we can believe we who are not them are incorruptible and entitled. Admitting other people are similar but for quantifiable and mostly adjustable circumstances is offensive.

Liberal BS.

And... how?


He couldn't understand the large words you were using, or the structure those words were placed in...
 
2012-10-27 04:46:07 PM

mike0023: Nem Wan: If we believe criminals are irredeemably bad we can believe we who are not them are incorruptible and entitled. Admitting other people are similar but for quantifiable and mostly adjustable circumstances is offensive.

Liberal BS.


thats 2 "liberals are..." in one thread, guess what, I don't have to look at you any more. ignored. bye.
 
2012-10-27 04:46:53 PM

rustypouch: I still can't get my head around the dichotomy that people who highly value freedom think that others who participate in activities which affect no one but themselves should be sent to prison. But then I've never been good at doublethink, which is one of the reasons I'm not conservative.


You say that conservatives are "people who highly value freedom." But then you say that you are not a conservative. Does that mean you do not value freedom? Or are you just confused?
 
2012-10-27 04:48:02 PM
In PA there are a good number of people in for 3-6 months for missing child support payments because they were in for 3-6 months for missing child support payments.
Yard was often cancelled because the gym was full of cots and day rooms were usually off limits for the same reason.

The violent criminals and thieves were the vast minority.

touchers and rapists usually got immediate probation, so there's that.
 
2012-10-27 04:48:25 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Pray 4 Mojo: Has anyone pointed out yet that JAIL and PRISON are not the same thing?

Way to go writer.

Exactly. Not sure why a picture from a county jail was included in an article about prison overcrowding. Granted jails have overcrowding too, but most inmates have yet to be convicted of a crime.


Bathia_Mapes: Pray 4 Mojo: Has anyone pointed out yet that JAIL and PRISON are not the same thing?

Way to go writer.

Exactly. Not sure why a picture from a county jail was included in an article about prison overcrowding. Granted jails have overcrowding too, but most inmates have yet to be convicted of a crime.


This is why:

Ordered by the United States Supreme Court to reduce severe overcrowding in its prisons, California began redirecting low-level offenders to local jails last October in a shift called realignment. Its prison population, the nation's largest, has since fallen by more than 16 percent to 120,000 from 144,000; it must be reduced to 110,000 by next June.

Counties with already tight budgets are scrambling to house the influx of newcomers in facilities that were never designed to accommodate inmates serving long sentences, like a man who began serving 15 years for fraud recently in the Fresno jail.

In California, County Jails Face Bigger Load
 
2012-10-27 04:51:31 PM

Generation_D: mike0023: Nem Wan: If we believe criminals are irredeemably bad we can believe we who are not them are incorruptible and entitled. Admitting other people are similar but for quantifiable and mostly adjustable circumstances is offensive.

Liberal BS.

thats 2 "liberals are..." in one thread, guess what, I don't have to look at you any more. ignored. bye.


Keep reinforcing that bubble!
 
2012-10-27 04:52:22 PM

Repo Man: The first example in the story is of a 14 year old who, gasp, was sentenced to a youth detention center and then was taken from his mommy and sent to a "school for troubled teens" for nine months. Something tells me there is a LOT more to that particular story than a "corrupt" judge.

Sentenced to a private facility by a judge who has since been convicted of receiving kickbacks for sentencing kids to private facilities. This is a blatant illustration of the conflict of interest inherent in for profit prisons/detention centers.


What about the "not for profilt" prisons which most are? Oh, wait, I know...they're ALL for profit because of the "industrial prison complex", right? Sheesh.
 
2012-10-27 04:55:25 PM

mike0023: Generation_D: mike0023: Nem Wan: If we believe criminals are irredeemably bad we can believe we who are not them are incorruptible and entitled. Admitting other people are similar but for quantifiable and mostly adjustable circumstances is offensive.

Liberal BS.

thats 2 "liberals are..." in one thread, guess what, I don't have to look at you any more. ignored. bye.

Keep reinforcing that bubble!


You too!
 
2012-10-27 04:58:54 PM
Awwww poor cwiminuls.

You broke the law. You don't get to use it anymore.
 
2012-10-27 04:59:23 PM

Repo Man: If we don't tolerate it, then why is it so common?


It's not when you look at the numbers. For certain groups, homosexuals, and women, it is much higher.
 
2012-10-27 05:00:03 PM

MrHelpful: Oh, wait, I know...they're ALL for profit because of the "industrial prison complex", right? Sheesh.


So, serious question, why do you dismiss this as it's some kind of laughable joke? Are you seriously implying there isn't a lot of damned money in the corrections business?
 
2012-10-27 05:02:45 PM
Pribar
my "room" was a 6x8 cell with no lock on the heavy steel door and a bungie cord holding it shut. I asked wtf was up and was told that it used to be the brig, but the Inspector General had ruled it unsafe for prisoners so they transferred them out, removed the locks and made it Marine berthing. So the place was unsafe for prisoners but just dandy for Marines, that told me exactly where the powers that be had us on the food chain...

Well, there's unsafe as in "health hazards" or "the place is breaking down",
unsafe as in "the room size will work for one person staying for a week, but not for three persons staying for a year" and
unsafe as in "keep people who don't want to be there from escaping or hurting themselves or someone else".
 
2012-10-27 05:04:08 PM
The people who shout most loudly about living in a free society are always the ones happiest to see as many of their fellow citizens in jail. I had a girl who worked for me at the store I managed, she'd been convicted for shoplifting when she was 13, then pumped gas not realizing her debit card had expired. I came to pay her ten bucks, but the cops were called by then and had already charged her for theft. She was sentenced to three years in the Nebraska women's prison. The gas station owner just wanted to make someone's life unpleasant. Teenagers regularly go to buy their beer there, and sure enough he was caught selling to a minor. He's in the paper the next day saying how it was entrapment and that 'Merca ain't no free country anymore.
 
2012-10-27 05:05:32 PM

TsukasaK: MrHelpful: Oh, wait, I know...they're ALL for profit because of the "industrial prison complex", right? Sheesh.

So, serious question, why do you dismiss this as it's some kind of laughable joke? Are you seriously implying there isn't a lot of damned money in the corrections business?


I'm seriously implying that none of this rises to the level of a conspiracy that some people (thankfully a very small number) seem to think it does.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:03 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Repo Man: If we don't tolerate it, then why is it so common?

It's not when you look at the numbers. For certain groups, homosexuals, and women, it is much higher.


So gays and women who are subjected to unconsensual sex are skewing the numbers? Because we should only worry about about straight men being subjected to unwanted homosexual sex?

These people are in prison/jail. Every aspect of their lives is supposed to be under control of the facility in which they are housed. If someone commits a crime, we expect that person to serve their sentence. As a society, we have an obligation to make sure that they are not subjected to sexual enslavement when they are doing so. If we decided to, resources could be committed that would make it very rare. Or we could continue with the status quo, where guards sometimes use it as a tool for discipline.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:56 PM

MrHelpful: TsukasaK: MrHelpful: Oh, wait, I know...they're ALL for profit because of the "industrial prison complex", right? Sheesh.

So, serious question, why do you dismiss this as it's some kind of laughable joke? Are you seriously implying there isn't a lot of damned money in the corrections business?

I'm seriously implying that none of this rises to the level of a conspiracy that some people (thankfully a very small number) seem to think it does.


It isn't a conspiracy; it's right out in the open, plain for all to see.
 
2012-10-27 05:09:35 PM

r1niceboy: The people who shout most loudly about living in a free society are always the ones happiest to see as many of their fellow citizens in jail.


I don't see an inconsistency. One's freedom can be impinged upon by the government (through taxes, regulations, etc.) or by criminals. Both pose a danger to freedom, both should be kept in check.
 
2012-10-27 05:10:51 PM

TsukasaK: MrHelpful: Oh, wait, I know...they're ALL for profit because of the "industrial prison complex", right? Sheesh.

So, serious question, why do you dismiss this as it's some kind of laughable joke? Are you seriously implying there isn't a lot of damned money in the corrections business?


They're kinda like red-light camera companies...
 
2012-10-27 05:11:46 PM

CapeFearCadaver: ill.

You should write a letter dude... that is a farking excellent idea.

Don't they already have those? In theory, at least?. Or were you being facetious?


I was being a smart-arse... but I like your word better. Classy!
 
2012-10-27 05:12:05 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I truly don't farking care. Don't like it? Don't be a crim.


Or black.
 
2012-10-27 05:12:44 PM

mike0023: rustypouch: I still can't get my head around the dichotomy that people who highly value freedom think that others who participate in activities which affect no one but themselves should be sent to prison. But then I've never been good at doublethink, which is one of the reasons I'm not conservative.

You say that conservatives are "people who highly value freedom." But then you say that you are not a conservative. Does that mean you do not value freedom? Or are you just confused?


That may have been poorly phrased.

Perhaps 'conservatives are people who claim to highly value freedom' is better. But then their actions don't agree with their words.

Also, valuing freedom is not exclusive to any one group. I could draw a Venn diagram, but those require a hint of education to understand.
 
2012-10-27 05:15:04 PM

mike0023: r1niceboy: The people who shout most loudly about living in a free society are always the ones happiest to see as many of their fellow citizens in jail.

I don't see an inconsistency. One's freedom can be impinged upon by the government (through taxes, regulations, etc.) or by criminals. Both pose a danger to freedom, both should be kept in check.


This. Exactly this.

Can I mail you a beer or something?
 
2012-10-27 05:16:11 PM
I am supposed to care about this why? Those deadbeat, don't give a fark, no life, good for nothing wart on the ass of society criminals don't even need all that they are getting now. Food, a shytter, and a cot, in a very dark cell is all they NEED!!. They are there for a reason, not a vacation.
 
2012-10-27 05:16:16 PM
mike0023
rustypouch:
I still can't get my head around the dichotomy that people who highly value freedom think that others who participate in activities which affect no one but themselves should be sent to prison. But then I've never been good at doublethink, which is one of the reasons I'm not conservative.

You say that conservatives are "people who highly value freedom." But then you say that you are not a conservative. Does that mean you do not value freedom? Or are you just confused?


No, it just means you pretend not to understand basic logic (or you really don't).
 
2012-10-27 05:21:30 PM

Repo Man: So gays and women who are subjected to unconsensual sex are skewing the numbers? Because we should only worry about about straight men being subjected to unwanted homosexual sex?


Yes they are skewing the numbers, and the numbers in the survey are much higher than similar surveys. I'm concerned about everyone but prison rape isn't turning all petty criminals into remorseless killing machines.
 
2012-10-27 05:34:59 PM
MrHelpful
"What Dr. Love is doing is stating the whole prison system is corrupt and akin to slavery. That's what's so stupid about this."

Actually, i just said corruption and glad-handing were responsible for "why prisons were overcrowded." I have yet to be disabused of this notion - you have yet to link to any citation that would disprove or even alleviate this statement, you have yet to put forth a preponderance of logically-consistent philosophy why what I was saying is "conspiratorial stupidity".

Our prison system does treat people like slaves.
The expansion of that system is linked to the profit made by private incarceration and forced labor of same.
There manifestly are plentiful examples of corruption within that system.

What exactly do you not get here?

gabrielcity.com
 
2012-10-27 05:40:43 PM

Nem Wan: A good example of our system not being about deterrence: South Dakota recently executed Eric Robert. Apparently, he had a decent background, education and job, and did volunteer work. He was on his way to being every other middle-aged midwestern white guy. But he had a bad temper with women, acted on it, and committed a kidnapping that got him basically a life sentence. Nobody was killed, but essentially he ended his own life for all practical purposes.


Wait... so... not sure I understand the point... is there some issue with a guy who habitually beats women and wasn't smart enough to pull off the kidnap, rape and murder of an 18yo girl getting a long sentence?
 
2012-10-27 05:49:05 PM
My political views are fairly liberal but not when it comes to this. 2nd felony conviction should earn a scumbag a couple whacks in the head with this
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
and a trip to the fertilizer plant.
 
2012-10-27 05:51:05 PM

Dr._Love: MrHelpful
"What Dr. Love is doing is stating the whole prison system is corrupt and akin to slavery. That's what's so stupid about this."

Actually, i just said corruption and glad-handing were responsible for "why prisons were overcrowded." I have yet to be disabused of this notion - you have yet to link to any citation that would disprove or even alleviate this statement, you have yet to put forth a preponderance of logically-consistent philosophy why what I was saying is "conspiratorial stupidity".

Our prison system does treat people like slaves.
The expansion of that system is linked to the profit made by private incarceration and forced labor of same.
There manifestly are plentiful examples of corruption within that system.

What exactly do you not get here?

[gabrielcity.com image 764x532]


Epic chart. I just KNEW agri-business was behind the whole thing.
 
2012-10-27 05:51:22 PM

wyltoknow: Happy Hours: It would be interesting to get the perspective of people who had both been through boot camp and a prison like this. I've not been to either one, but if you gave me a choice of a prison as pictured or boot camp, I think I'd take boot camp.

On that Lockdown show, when they did Sheriff Joe's prison, I vaguely remember that one of the inmates they interviewed from Tent City had served in Iraq. I believe he said it was tremendously worse in prison.


What else would he say?
 
2012-10-27 05:54:19 PM
I have still never heard a valid reason for why ex-felons (or even incarcerated felons) being disallowed from voting is remotely constitutional.
 
2012-10-27 06:00:09 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Nem Wan: A good example of our system not being about deterrence: South Dakota recently executed Eric Robert. Apparently, he had a decent background, education and job, and did volunteer work. He was on his way to being every other middle-aged midwestern white guy. But he had a bad temper with women, acted on it, and committed a kidnapping that got him basically a life sentence. Nobody was killed, but essentially he ended his own life for all practical purposes.

Wait... so... not sure I understand the point... is there some issue with a guy who habitually beats women and wasn't smart enough to pull off the kidnap, rape and murder of an 18yo girl getting a long sentence?


Holy shiat. I missed that. WTF? Oh, the poor guy, he just had a bad temper with women and acted on it... It was her own fault anyways, am I right? Acting all hoity toity like she deserved to live a drama free life that she controlled her own self, eh?

DV survivor. fark anyone who wants to give abusers any more false justifications than what they give themselves.
 
2012-10-27 06:02:23 PM

me texan: Looks about the same as my barracks in basic training, except they have more freedoms apparently. Do they deserve better than soldiers in basic training / boot camp?

/not subby


Are soldiers forceably doing each other in the butt a lot more than the public knows about in the army? Scary.
 
2012-10-27 06:02:33 PM

Generation_D: thats 2 "liberals are..." in one thread, guess what, I don't have to look at you any more. ignored. bye.


Why are you complaining about people making fun of liberals?

Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly


You aren't a liberal.
 
2012-10-27 06:05:01 PM

Daniels: I have still never heard a valid reason for why ex-felons (or even incarcerated felons) being disallowed from voting is remotely constitutional.


If you can't abide by your society's rules, you don't get to participate in the way your society is run. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
2012-10-27 06:07:40 PM

Daniels: I have still never heard a valid reason for why ex-felons (or even incarcerated felons) being disallowed from voting is remotely constitutional.


Uhhh... how 'bout... 'cause the Supreme Court said it is.

That good enough?
 
2012-10-27 06:15:13 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Pray 4 Mojo: Nem Wan: A good example of our system not being about deterrence: South Dakota recently executed Eric Robert. Apparently, he had a decent background, education and job, and did volunteer work. He was on his way to being every other middle-aged midwestern white guy. But he had a bad temper with women, acted on it, and committed a kidnapping that got him basically a life sentence. Nobody was killed, but essentially he ended his own life for all practical purposes.

Wait... so... not sure I understand the point... is there some issue with a guy who habitually beats women and wasn't smart enough to pull off the kidnap, rape and murder of an 18yo girl getting a long sentence?

Holy shiat. I missed that. WTF? Oh, the poor guy, he just had a bad temper with women and acted on it... It was her own fault anyways, am I right? Acting all hoity toity like she deserved to live a drama free life that she controlled her own self, eh?

DV survivor. fark anyone who wants to give abusers any more false justifications than what they give themselves.


Trying not to slam Nem Wan for "defending the guy"... 'cause I'm not sure what the point was. But yes... read the case of this guy. Impersonating a police officer... pulls over an 18yo girl... throws her in her own trunk... then realizes he didn't take her phone and she's in there dialing 911. Caught a short time later... rope, shovel, mattress etc in the back of his truck. An ex GF testified at his trial that he beat her frequently and viciously... and even came back to her house and assaulted her after she had finally left him. Dude didn't murder a prison guard to get a death sentence... he did it because he's violent and dangerous.
 
2012-10-27 06:15:37 PM
Here's the solution:

1. Get rid of the privatized prison industry. Put the top 10% of the profiteers/stockholders in a special slave-labor camp in northern Alaska and give the evil motherfarkers a taste of their own medicine. You might also want to put a silver stake through zombie Reagan's heart to keep that Nazi bastard from coming back from the grave.

2. Put in a clear and unambiguous amendment to the Constitution acknowledging every American's right to privacy and make all laws governing private, consensual behavior unconstitutional. After that, any congresscritter who tries to make a law outlawing victimless behavior is automatically guilty of treason against the Constitution and is tarred and feathered before getting life without parole.

3. With the removal of consensual crime laws and the privatized prison industry, America's incarceration rate should fall to normal. Prisons should be clean and safe so that some guy who's in for a minor crime isn't murdered by a lifer. As for luxuries like cable TV or conjugal visits, they have to be earned by exceptionally good behavior.

4. Hard-assed law-and-order types who think that the legal system never makes mistakes and who believe that somebody should be jailed for smoking pot should be officially declared to be Nazi dickheads and laughed at uproariously by their neighbors.

5. Former members of the Drug Enforcement Agency, except for low-level clerks, should be set on fire and launched by trebuchet into the ocean.
 
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