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(Daily Mail)   Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind: Uncompromising pictures from inside America's overcrowded prison system show the cramped lives lived by more than two million inmates   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 462
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2012-10-27 01:30:36 PM  
I'm gonna lean on the lib'rul side of this one. If your crime was not a violation of a person's property rights or physical safety, and it didn't defraud taxpayers, I'm gonna vote not guilty and try to keep you out of jail.
As for my own situation, I don't care if the guy who stole my computer & stereo out of my house in 2004 goes to jail for no days or 30 days or 3,000. I just want my stuff back.

/you know who you are, k.s.
 
2012-10-27 01:31:03 PM  
I had a family member serve 30 days for DUI in colorado. He fully admitted that he deserved to go to jail, and we were all very lucky that when he was pulled over it wasn't because of a car accident or anything-- at least nobody got hurt.

He lost 15 lbs in jail (and he's a small guy) because the food was so inedible. He kept his head down so never got in trouble with the violent offenders-- this jail doubled as a way for people in prison to ease back into society-- but he slept in open bunkhouses like the ones pictured, and it would be very easy for people to get injured.

One man there contracted a MRSA infection while taking a shower and died because the conditions were so filthy.

Let me repeat that. One man, who may have been in there for almost nothing, DIED because the conditions are so deplorable.

Say what you will about people deserving to go to jail for one crime or another, no reasonable person can think that death by virulent bacterial infection, or malnutrition, or anal raping is an acceptable punishment
 
2012-10-27 01:32:03 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: HA HA!

Americans are even fat in prison...


Likely especially in prison.
 
2012-10-27 01:33:27 PM  
Here's a question for ya: can we find a way to fuel cars with inmates?

/2 birds, 1 stone?
 
2012-10-27 01:34:10 PM  

Generation_D: 2wolves: USA: All the justice you can afford.

yep, just like every country anywhere ever. Don't like it? make money.


Actually, no, every country in the world manages to make do with sending fewer people to prison than the US does. Norway has less than one tenth as many people in prison per capita, has the cushiest prisons in the world, and also has the lowest re-offending rate in the world Go figure.
 
2012-10-27 01:34:15 PM  

pivazena: Let me repeat that. One man, who may have been in there for almost nothing, DIED because the conditions are so deplorable.


I see your problem.
 
2012-10-27 01:35:27 PM  

Repo Man: The mentality of taking pleasure in the suffering of others is alive and well. Humans only need the slightest pretense to put people in the category of "Ok to enjoy their misfortune". If it could be proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that a more compassionate, and less punitive prison system (and it has already been proven well beyond that standards needed for reasonable people by other countries) resulted in less recidivism, less crime overall, and fewer violent crimes in particular, I believe most of these people would still be against it. They enjoy vengeance too much to be deprived of it.


Most Americans would. But if MSNBC's Lockup series portrays the issue accurately, it really does appear that European prisons constitute the soft-on-crime rehabilitation hotels (one Belgian prisoner even compared prison food to food you'd get at a decent hotel--said while eating comfortably in his well lit cell in front of his not-insubstantially sized television) American conservatives imagine American prisons to be. And Anders Brevik's sentence is only 21 years (but he can be held longer if he's determined to constitute a threat). So this vengeance obsession isn't something inherent to the human character.

And if you're wondering, as a matter of public policy, I would strongly prefer our prisons to be soft-on-crime rehabilitation hotels.
 
2012-10-27 01:35:46 PM  

rmoody: uber yeti: NFA: Seeing at all those tattooed gang members who are likely there because they're too violent to be on the streets, DID NOT elicit ANY compassion from me.

In fact my thought is that we need to streamline executions for all known violent gang members. Simply belonging to a violent gang should warrant the death penalty. These groups exist to protect their members when they sell drugs, steal, rob, burglarize, rape, murder, kidnap, hold and sell sex slaves. I say we as a nation stop being a bunch of pussies and begin to systematically wipe out this growing criminal paradigm. If you don't think it's a growing problem in the US, go live in Juarez Mexico and see what our future holds.

Who defines what a violent gang is? How do you positively identify their members? What are the standards to identify these people that will insure you are murdering the correct tattooed gang members "who are likely there because they're too violent to be on the streets"?

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It is funny because it is true.
 
2012-10-27 01:38:14 PM  

GAT_00: Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly

How can prison rehabilitate in conditions like that? You do realize that's what prison sentences are supposed to do, right?


Forget it. This thread is dildos.
 
2012-10-27 01:39:31 PM  

pivazena: One man there contracted a MRSA infection while taking a shower and died because the conditions were so filthy.

Let me repeat that. One man, who may have been in there for almost nothing, DIED because the conditions are so deplorable.


You realize you're turning on all the badge-lickers with words like that don't you?
 
2012-10-27 01:39:55 PM  

pivazena:

Say what you will about people deserving to go to jail for one crime or another, no reasonable person can think that death by virulent bacterial infection, or malnutrition, or anal raping is an acceptable punishment


Stick around I'm sure someone will.
 
2012-10-27 01:40:06 PM  
Maybe like China aledgely does, budget for just so many, when they surpass the quota allowed they just shoot the ones with seniority.
/ not sure if true
 
2012-10-27 01:44:19 PM  

GAT_00: Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly

How can prison rehabilitate in conditions like that? You do realize that's what prison sentences are supposed to do, right?


Nope. Still don't, no matter how many times the hippies make that claim.

/rehabilitation is an occasional beneficial side effect
//removal of freedom from people who abuse it is the goal
 
2012-10-27 01:44:37 PM  

mechgreg: If there is so much money to be made why are prisons and jails so overcrowded to the point where you hear about people getting early release because of no room?


So they can cycle more people through the system.
 
2012-10-27 01:45:12 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: As for my own situation, I don't care if the guy who stole my computer & stereo out of my house in 2004 goes to jail for no days or 30 days or 3,000. I just want my stuff back.


I would like to see the guys who stole billions of dollars from US banks spend at least a couple months in pound-them-in-the-ass-prison, preferably sharing a cell with the guy who is spending decades there for stealing $300 from a bank.
 
2012-10-27 01:46:05 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I truly don't farking care. Don't like it? Don't be a crim.


I had you marked as a liberal. I'm disappointed to discover you're actually a law-worshipping authoritarian.
 
2012-10-27 01:48:15 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Hope they are careful about which of these fine upstanding young men get released.
 
2012-10-27 01:48:59 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: HA HA!

Americans are even fat in prison...


Was I the only one who read that and heard the guy from "The Hangover" voice. LOLOLOL

/So long Gayboys!!!
 
2012-10-27 01:51:14 PM  
Without reading the thread, is it full of, "It's a lot better than they deserve, which is to be slowly roasted alive, screaming in agony, and it should be televised 24/7 for my fapping enjoyment"?

/I bet it is
 
2012-10-27 01:52:49 PM  
Most of the time burglars are released early when there's overcrowding. So who are all these non-violent criminals...I'm guessing potheads and tax evaders? Not cool, America.
 
2012-10-27 01:53:59 PM  

pciszek: Huck And Molly Ziegler: As for my own situation, I don't care if the guy who stole my computer & stereo out of my house in 2004 goes to jail for no days or 30 days or 3,000. I just want my stuff back.

I would like to see the guys who stole billions of dollars from US banks spend at least a couple months in pound-them-in-the-ass-prison, preferably sharing a cell with the guy who is spending decades there for stealing $300 from a bank.


You enjoy thinking about homosexual rape?
 
2012-10-27 01:55:15 PM  

pciszek: Huck And Molly Ziegler: As for my own situation, I don't care if the guy who stole my computer & stereo out of my house in 2004 goes to jail for no days or 30 days or 3,000. I just want my stuff back.

I would like to see the guys who stole billions of dollars from US banks spend at least a couple months in pound-them-in-the-ass-prison, preferably sharing a cell with the guy who is spending decades there for stealing $300 from a bank.


Or the guy who spent 14 years in jail and was never charged with anything since he didn't have the money he was ordered to turn over.
 
2012-10-27 01:56:07 PM  

Kibbler: Without reading the thread, is it full of, "It's a lot better than they deserve, which is to be slowly roasted alive, screaming in agony, and it should be televised 24/7 for my fapping enjoyment"?

/I bet it is


Yes, and I'm very disappointed to see that it's people I had previously marked as liberals making those types of posts. They ought to know better.
 
2012-10-27 01:57:37 PM  
An island that has farming, a big field where supplies and new inmates can be parachuted onto, no guards, no boats and one big ol heaping helping dose of Darwinism.
 
2012-10-27 01:58:38 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Happy Hours: And last I checked our military is still all volunteer.

me texan: Last I checked, so is the decision to rob, stab and kill people.

Aaaaaand we're done here.


A nation that locks up more of its citizens than any other 'civilized' nation. Nope, nothing to see here! We're all done here! Yay not thinking!

/Really, guys. Really.
//Your brains do have an on switch.
 
2012-10-27 02:01:30 PM  

tonguedepressor: An island that has farming, a big field where supplies and new inmates can be parachuted onto, no guards, no boats and one big ol heaping helping dose of Darwinism.



Lil' Bobby: "Mom, dad where's uncle Billy? You didn't have him put down, did you?"

Dad: "No son. We took him to a farm, where he'll have room to run and play. He's much happier there..."
 
2012-10-27 02:02:32 PM  

yeegrek: Do you ever think that maybe there might be a few too many crimes that result in prison time? That the US might jail people for shiat that other countries don't? T


Then what should be decriminalized? Surely violent crimes that result in the injury and/or death of another human being should result in jail time.
 
2012-10-27 02:04:48 PM  
Oh boo-farking-hoo!

There's plenty of space on the outside. If you want space, how about not getting thrown in prison. Also, to make room, I suggest we survey them, and see how many volunteer to take a bullet to the brain to make room. If we don't get takers, I say we volunteer them. All of them.

These people deserve death, and in some cases worse. But death for them ALL would be a good solution as far as I can tell. We spend tens of thousands of dollars per inmate per year so that murderers and rapist and play cards and watch tv and eat food we pay for? All while we spend maybe half as much per person per year on a graduate student who is teaching class and working his/her ass off in the lab trying to cure cancer? WTF!

And talk about overcrowding? WTF are you talking about. Look at all the space available even in most crowded picture they showed:

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They should all be destroyed.
 
BHK
2012-10-27 02:04:57 PM  
America! Freedom F*** Yeah!

Freedom comes only from obedience to the laws, even if the laws criminalize what a free and peaceful person can do elsewhere or could do previously. At least, that's the line of your average authoritarian leftist or conservative, which seems to be most of the people in this thread.

The US has become a bunch of cowardly sheep who won't be happy until half the population is living in a prison of some fashion.
 
2012-10-27 02:06:03 PM  

me texan: Looks about the same as my barracks in basic training, except they have more freedoms apparently. Do they deserve better than soldiers in basic training / boot camp?


It's not about what they deserve, it's about what will help to keep them from offending again.
 
2012-10-27 02:06:54 PM  
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Poor Kurt Russell. One would think he would have done better after Tombstone.
 
2012-10-27 02:07:24 PM  
Where's the liberal derp pic of "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE"?

War on drugs? Let em go, victim of society.

Red light camera for revenue? STRING HIM UP BY HIS BAWLS.
 
2012-10-27 02:07:54 PM  

Tatterdemalian: GAT_00: Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly

How can prison rehabilitate in conditions like that? You do realize that's what prison sentences are supposed to do, right?

Nope. Still don't, no matter how many times the hippies make that claim.

/rehabilitation is an occasional beneficial side effect
//removal of freedom from people who abuse it is the goal


That's a stupid goal. How is it other countries don't want or need to keep people locked up as long as we do? What about Norway's total, vengeance-free focus on rehabilitation and reeducation, which is proven to convert most criminals into non-criminals by the end of the process? Why are we satisfied with justice that seeks to do nothing but break people and has almost no interest in fixing them? It's like we're more interested in the score than the game.
 
2012-10-27 02:08:48 PM  

BHK: The US has become a bunch of cowardly sheep who won't be happy until half the population is living in a prison of some fashion.


i110.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-27 02:09:18 PM  

tonguedepressor: An island that has farming, a big field where supplies and new inmates can be parachuted onto, no guards, no boats and one big ol heaping helping dose of Darwinism.


THIS

Also...

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2012-10-27 02:10:29 PM  
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per- capita

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes

The more incarceration, the more crime? Or vice versa?

All I am saying is I deal with felons, druggies, bums and whores a lot where I work. And most of them have the mindset that they would rather get in trouble and go to jail for a few nights than get themselves out of a shiatty lifestyle because that's how they have been trained. Hand-outs and jail cells are a sure thing.

There has got to be something different.
 
2012-10-27 02:11:44 PM  

Fade2black: Where's the liberal derp pic of "STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLE"?

War on drugs? Let em go, victim of society.

Red light camera for revenue? STRING HIM UP BY HIS BAWLS.


Your user name makes me want to listen to Vader for some reason.
 
2012-10-27 02:11:52 PM  

Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly


Because eventually most of those guys are getting out, and they will not be fixed.
 
2012-10-27 02:13:11 PM  
www.djmarquardt.com
There's your problem right there.
 
2012-10-27 02:13:45 PM  

PsiChick: /Really, guys. Really.
//Your brains do have an on switch.


That switch is located at foobies.com
 
2012-10-27 02:14:41 PM  

Happy Hours: me texan: Looks about the same as my barracks in basic training, except they have more freedoms apparently. Do they deserve better than soldiers in basic training / boot camp?

/not subby

Basic training lasts 6-8 weeks? It's designed to instill discipline and whip new recruits to the military into shape and there's little fear that the person in the next bunk is going to rape, stab or just plain beat the shiat out of you for whatever reason or even no reason.

And last I checked our military is still all volunteer.

It would be interesting to get the perspective of people who had both been through boot camp and a prison like this. I've not been to either one, but if you gave me a choice of a prison as pictured or boot camp, I think I'd take boot camp.


Oddly enough, Prison is also all volunteer. You just volunteer by voluntarily committing a crime that carries with it a prison sentence. I have no problems with this.
 
2012-10-27 02:16:57 PM  
they should put a McDonald's in each prison. Make it like a Food Court in every mall you go to. With a Sbarro's and Taco Bell too..
 
2012-10-27 02:17:15 PM  

Kit Fister: Happy Hours: me texan: Looks about the same as my barracks in basic training, except they have more freedoms apparently. Do they deserve better than soldiers in basic training / boot camp?

/not subby

Basic training lasts 6-8 weeks? It's designed to instill discipline and whip new recruits to the military into shape and there's little fear that the person in the next bunk is going to rape, stab or just plain beat the shiat out of you for whatever reason or even no reason.

And last I checked our military is still all volunteer.

It would be interesting to get the perspective of people who had both been through boot camp and a prison like this. I've not been to either one, but if you gave me a choice of a prison as pictured or boot camp, I think I'd take boot camp.

Oddly enough, Prison is also all volunteer. You just volunteer by voluntarily committing a crime that carries with it a prison sentence. I have no problems with this.


Because all laws are wise and fair and no one is ever wrongfully convicted.
 
2012-10-27 02:18:03 PM  
Overcrowding? Why not raise more taxes and build more prisons?

. . . but don't raise taxes on the rich. After all, they're not the ones in the prisons, so why should they have to pay for them?

/why . . . I believe I've just crafted a new Republican talking point.
 
2012-10-27 02:18:03 PM  

Nem Wan: Tatterdemalian: GAT_00: Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly

How can prison rehabilitate in conditions like that? You do realize that's what prison sentences are supposed to do, right?

Nope. Still don't, no matter how many times the hippies make that claim.

/rehabilitation is an occasional beneficial side effect
//removal of freedom from people who abuse it is the goal

That's a stupid goal. How is it other countries don't want or need to keep people locked up as long as we do? What about Norway's total, vengeance-free focus on rehabilitation and reeducation, which is proven to convert most criminals into non-criminals by the end of the process? Why are we satisfied with justice that seeks to do nothing but break people and has almost no interest in fixing them? It's like we're more interested in the score than the game.


What about the needs of Norwegian conservatives? Where do they go for their schadenfreude fix? Answer me that Mr. smartypants!
 
2012-10-27 02:21:04 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x511]

Hope they are careful about which of these fine upstanding young men get released.


I see you are trolling.

A good friend of mine farked up and went to jail. Not a bad kid, just was in a bad way and got caught with a friend with drugs. His friend threw him under the bus for bigger shiat so that he could get off lighter. My friend went in a misguided kid that made a mistake, and came out looking like those guys and had a far bigger view of the world of crime. People learn to be dregs of society in prison, because that's what you have to do to get by.
 
2012-10-27 02:22:44 PM  
FTA:
The [USA] is streets ahead of the rest of the world in terms of the number of prisoners per 100,000 population, with Russia the second highest and South Africa in third. The European average took fourth place.

Streets ahead? I didn't know someone had coined that phrase.
 
drp
2012-10-27 02:22:51 PM  

calbert: where's the photo gallery of the lives of their victims?


What makes you think all of them even had victims?

Nonviolent drug crimes send a lot of people to prison.
 
2012-10-27 02:23:19 PM  
Oh boo fuking whoo. Quit being a gang member, (as most of those pictures show) or murdering, or molesting, or whatever dumb shiat you did to get in there in the first place. It's prison, it's not supposed to be comfortable or a good time.
 
2012-10-27 02:23:26 PM  
On the other hand, imagine if everyone refused to ple-bargin and asked for a speedy trial (sixth amendment). In many states that six-month requirement would fly by mighty fast. The rule is: A violation of the Speedy Trial Clause is cause for dismissal with prejudice of a criminal case.
 
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