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(Daily Mail)   Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind: Uncompromising pictures from inside America's overcrowded prison system show the cramped lives lived by more than two million inmates   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 462
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2012-10-27 01:03:03 PM  
Yeah, I ONLY care about the inmates who are in there for small drug charges; everyone else can eat a bowl of dicks.
 
2012-10-27 01:03:03 PM  
Reminds me of the berthing aboard a navy ship.

www.mbaintheusa.com

I was on the USS Ronald Reagan
 
2012-10-27 01:03:53 PM  
From 1853 to 1972, California had four prisons. Today, they have 33, with plans to build fifteen more. Meanwhile violent crime rates have steadily dropped. Those are the facts. Draw your own conclusions.
 
2012-10-27 01:05:32 PM  
If only there were a way for people to avoid going to an overcrowded prison.
 
2012-10-27 01:05:50 PM  

GAT_00: Ah, I see the 'criminals are subhuman' crowd is already here.


If we were talking about them being subhuman we'd be talking about killing them.

Someone who hurts society has to be pulled out of society.
 
2012-10-27 01:06:09 PM  
Damn. Pauly's gonna have to slice the garlic extra thin.
www.adrowe.com
/there's no room for the lobsters and dago red
 
2012-10-27 01:06:25 PM  

GAT_00: Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly

How can prison rehabilitate in conditions like that? You do realize that's what prison sentences are supposed to do, right?


You still think our prison system is for rehabilitation? How cute.
 
2012-10-27 01:07:17 PM  
For the "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time crowd": Do you ever think that maybe there might be a few too many crimes that result in prison time? That the US might jail people for shiat that other countries don't? That the political system is rigged in favour of politicians who can scream "SOFT ON CRIME"!!!!" the loudest? That jailing so many people, and saddling them with permanent criminal records, might have negative social consequences that far exceed the benefits?

Just thinking out loud.
 
2012-10-27 01:07:29 PM  
How many are in there for pot violations? Let's make that the first thing we change.

/don't smoke weed
 
2012-10-27 01:07:44 PM  

PacManDreaming: Happy Hours: One thing nobody here has asked is why we incarcerate so many more people than any other nation in the world.

Are people in the US that much more likely to be criminals?

Because there's money to be made in locking people up for any little thing someone can think of.


If there is so much money to be made why are prisons and jails so overcrowded to the point where you hear about people getting early release because of no room?
 
2012-10-27 01:07:53 PM  
I like how all the do-gooders think being incarcerated will never happen to them.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
That's what you get.
Illegal is not a race, it's a crime.
You should have thought of that before you broke the law.
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.
Plenty of jobs out there, people just don't want to work.
God only helps those who help themselves.
 
2012-10-27 01:08:01 PM  
"The reformative effect of punishment is a belief that dies hard, chiefly I think, because it is so satisfying to our sadistic impulses." - Bertrand Russell, Ideas That Have Harmed Mankind
 
2012-10-27 01:08:29 PM  

ltdanman44: me texan: Happy Hours: And last I checked our military is still all volunteer.

Last I checked, so is the decision to rob, stab and kill people.

7 out of 10 prisoners(America) are in for non-violent offenses


The prison system is warehousing human beings.
 
2012-10-27 01:08:46 PM  

yeegrek: Do you ever think that maybe there might be a few too many crimes that result in prison time?


Just to be safe, I'll just avoid committing *all* the crimes.
 
2012-10-27 01:11:00 PM  
Look at all of those precious little snowflakes!
 
2012-10-27 01:11:19 PM  

ZodiacMan: Release all the non-violent drug offenders and prostitutes. Kill all the burglars, thieves, murders, rapists, and kid diddlers. Then there will be plenty of room to reform the drunk drivers and tax cheats.


No, you killed them off with the murderers and thieves.
 
2012-10-27 01:11:39 PM  

me texan: Happy Hours: And last I checked our military is still all volunteer.

Last I checked, so is the decision to rob, stab and kill people.


Which are the only reasons that people go to jail.
 
2012-10-27 01:11:41 PM  
Looks like a POW camp for the War on Drugs.
 
2012-10-27 01:11:53 PM  

Happy Hours: One thing nobody here has asked is why we incarcerate so many more people than any other nation in the world.

Are people in the US that much more likely to be criminals?

Does every other country not punish crime that should be punished?

Anyone?


Neither, actually. It turns out that the rate of prison admissions in the US is pretty comparable to the rest of the Western world. The difference is that punishments in the US tend to be much harsher and sentences for the same crimes tend to be much longer than in the rest of the West. We have more inmates not because we send more away, but because we don't let them out when they're in. Too lazy to get you a cite from my phone but it's easy to look it up.
 
2012-10-27 01:12:08 PM  

mechgreg: PacManDreaming: Happy Hours: One thing nobody here has asked is why we incarcerate so many more people than any other nation in the world.

Are people in the US that much more likely to be criminals?

Because there's money to be made in locking people up for any little thing someone can think of.

If there is so much money to be made why are prisons and jails so overcrowded to the point where you hear about people getting early release because of no room?


Why do you think the private prison industry is clamoring to build more (while pushing for stricter sentencing laws under the guise of being "tough on crime")?

Google ALEC and private prisons.
 
2012-10-27 01:12:42 PM  
Real question. Why does California, with its lax drug laws, liberal policies, etc lead in overcrowding?

/please do not take my use of the L word to imply I'm a republican. I'm not.
 
2012-10-27 01:13:18 PM  

Happy Hours: And last I checked our military is still all volunteer.


For now.

That doesn't mean it always was, or always will be. We can still draft, you know.
 
2012-10-27 01:13:29 PM  

Crewmannumber6: How many are in there for pot violations? Let's make that the first thing we change.

/don't smoke weed


In California, marijuana violations make up less than one percent of state incarcerations.
 
2012-10-27 01:14:23 PM  

kronicfeld: me texan: Do they deserve better than soldiers in basic training / boot camp?

This reeks of "Waterboarding isn't torture because SEALS are waterboarded as part of their training."


No it doesn't. Just like those jails that put up tents, good enough for the troops more than good enough for a convicted criminal.So what what if they lack privacy? It is prison not the Four Seasons. They get fed , clothed etc.

Heck they have it better than some service members. Sailors on the Fast Attacks use to have to hot bunk (may still have to) meaning they do not have their own bed . While they were on watch somebody else is using it. If we use this standard we could argue that our prisons are under utilized. If you look at the pictures too many guys just standing around. Why are they not out breaking rocks or making license plates?

We could break the prisoners up in to 3- 8 hour rotating shifts 1 shift sleeping, 1 shift making license plates 1 shift attending classes/recreation (no weights)/showers with meal times squeezed into shifts.. That way the beds would never be empty and you could triple the prison capacity


You sound like one of those who supports the idea of a criminal being able to sue his victims.
 
2012-10-27 01:14:45 PM  

Butthurted: GAT_00: Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly

How can prison rehabilitate in conditions like that? You do realize that's what prison sentences are supposed to do, right?

You still think our prison system is for rehabilitation? How cute.


Well, then, make all prison sentences life sentences, or death sentences. Either call yourself willing to pay for people who commit felonies to be walled off from society for the rest of their lives, or call yourself willing to condone state-sponsored murder. And then watch crime rates skyrocket as thieves who would go to prison for the same amount of time as murderers start murdering because they've got nothing to lose.
 
2012-10-27 01:14:46 PM  

Evenbiggerknickers: you mean it's not like it is on TV?


You're gettin' awful mouthy, prag.
 
2012-10-27 01:15:02 PM  
Keep doing what you're doing, and you'll keep getting what you're getting. Psychologists and social scientists who study this sort of thing for a living could have told them that the policies that have been implemented would lead to increased incarceration, increased recidivism, and a massive waste of taxpayer's money. But why bother to listen to poindexter over there, when "common sense" tells people that the answer to crime is "Lock em up and throw away the key"?
 
2012-10-27 01:15:02 PM  

CruJones: Real question. Why does California, with its lax drug laws, liberal policies, etc lead in overcrowding?

/please do not take my use of the L word to imply I'm a republican. I'm not.


You're from Texas, so same thing. And the laws are set to appease the inland empire crowd. If you ignore SF and LA Commifornia turns pretty damn Red.
 
2012-10-27 01:15:20 PM  

GAT_00: Ah, I see the 'criminals are subhuman' crowd is already here.


They're convicted criminals, FFS.


If you're so fond of them, take one in as a pet project after they parole out. You can find needy single inmates (male and female), just looking for someone to shack up with.


Go ahead, you bleeding hearts. Give it a try. Hell, take in your average convicted dealer and let me know how it works out.
 
2012-10-27 01:15:30 PM  
Lucky those pictures aren't scratch-n-sniff.
 
2012-10-27 01:16:33 PM  
"Land of the Free".
 
2012-10-27 01:17:05 PM  

Ed 'Too Tall' Jones: Neither, actually. It turns out that the rate of prison admissions in the US is pretty comparable to the rest of the Western world. The difference is that punishments in the US tend to be much harsher and sentences for the same crimes tend to be much longer than in the rest of the West. We have more inmates not because we send more away, but because we don't let them out when they're in. Too lazy to get you a cite from my phone but it's easy to look it up.


i.dailymail.co.uk

Let me help.
 
2012-10-27 01:17:10 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: I truly don't farking care. Don't like it? Don't be a crim.


agreed.
 
2012-10-27 01:17:50 PM  

fastfxr: GAT_00: Ah, I see the 'criminals are subhuman' crowd is already here.

They're convicted criminals, FFS.


If you're so fond of them, take one in as a pet project after they parole out. You can find needy single inmates (male and female), just looking for someone to shack up with.


Go ahead, you bleeding hearts. Give it a try. Hell, take in your average convicted dealer and let me know how it works out.


How about you take in the children of people growing up without a parent so they can have a lowered chance of following the same path in life?
 
2012-10-27 01:18:03 PM  
If they hot bunked they'd need far less living space.
 
2012-10-27 01:18:58 PM  

me texan: Looks about the same as my barracks in basic training, except they have more freedoms apparently. Do they deserve better than soldiers in basic training / boot camp?

/not subby


I was gonna say... quarters were tighter than that aboard ship, too.
 
2012-10-27 01:19:24 PM  

NFA: Seeing at all those tattooed gang members who are likely there because they're too violent to be on the streets, DID NOT elicit ANY compassion from me.

In fact my thought is that we need to streamline executions for all known violent gang members. Simply belonging to a violent gang should warrant the death penalty. These groups exist to protect their members when they sell drugs, steal, rob, burglarize, rape, murder, kidnap, hold and sell sex slaves. I say we as a nation stop being a bunch of pussies and begin to systematically wipe out this growing criminal paradigm. If you don't think it's a growing problem in the US, go live in Juarez Mexico and see what our future holds.


Who defines what a violent gang is? How do you positively identify their members? What are the standards to identify these people that will insure you are murdering the correct tattooed gang members "who are likely there because they're too violent to be on the streets"?
 
2012-10-27 01:20:04 PM  
The number of people in here with a "can't do the time don't do the crime" attitude is scary. Both the "fark'm, they're criminals" mentality itself and the life-view that allows you to so easily write-off other human beings. But it's all their fault right? No innocent person ever goes to prison, or if they do it's worth it to make sure no guilty people go free. And I would certainly never end up there, it's only those others who did the wrong things that everybody else can just not do.

I understand certain backward-thinking demographics having that attitude, but if you're here posting on FARK I wouldn't think you'd fall into any of them that squarely. Basically, I thought you were cool man.
 
2012-10-27 01:20:13 PM  
"BEN: You lucky, lucky bastard.
BRIAN: What?
BEN: Proper little jailer's pet, aren't we?
BRIAN: What do you mean?
BEN: You must have slipped him a few shekels, eh?
BRIAN: Slipped him a few shekels? You saw him spit in my face!
BEN: Ohh! What wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face! I sometimes hang
awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face.
BRIAN: Well, it's not exactly friendly, is it? They had me in manacles!
BEN: Manacles! Ooh oooh oh oh. My idea of heaven is to be allowed to be
put in manacles... just for a few hours. They must think the sun shines out o' your arse, sonny.
BRIAN: Oh, lay off me. I've had a hard time!
BEN: You've had a hard time?! I've been here five years! They only hung me
the right way up yesterday! So, don't you come 'rou--
BRIAN: All right. All right.
BEN: They must think you're Lord God Almighty.
BRIAN: What will they do to me?
BEN: Oh, you'll probably get away with crucifixion.
BRIAN: Crucifixion?!
BEN: Yeah, first offence.
BRIAN: Get away with crucifixion?! It's--
BEN: Best thing the Romans ever did for us.
BRIAN: What?!
BEN: Oh, yeah. If we didn't have crucifixion, this country would be in a
right bloody mess.
BRIAN: Guards!
BEN: Nail him up, I say!"
 
2012-10-27 01:20:14 PM  

fastfxr: GAT_00: Ah, I see the 'criminals are subhuman' crowd is already here.

They're convicted criminals, FFS.


If you're so fond of them, take one in as a pet project after they parole out. You can find needy single inmates (male and female), just looking for someone to shack up with.


Go ahead, you bleeding hearts. Give it a try. Hell, take in your average convicted dealer and let me know how it works out.


Fat chance of that. Expressing concern and dema ding something be done is free and boy do people love deals.
 
2012-10-27 01:20:15 PM  

Generation_D: One last thought on that.

What if everyone just quit using? Not nancy reagan just say no, but eff you current system. Quit buying drugs, quit drinking, quit using medical products you have a say in using.

Send the entire messed up substance seller empire a nice message, the current system in America is effed up badly, so the hell with all of you, we're all going to go straight edge from now on.

Except coffee. Jesus H I'd go to prison before giving up coffee.


This isn't philosophy class. Most people with substance abuse problems will not stop using just to "stick it to the man". Yes, people are responsible for their own choices but you're using that as a cop out. In reality, a segment of the population will always find itself on the wrong side of the war on drugs, especially given current socioeconomic policies. That shouldn't disqualify them from being treated like human beings or having people care about them.
 
2012-10-27 01:21:08 PM  
Prison ain't so bad; you can make sangria in the terlet.

img209.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-27 01:21:27 PM  

uber yeti: NFA: Seeing at all those tattooed gang members who are likely there because they're too violent to be on the streets, DID NOT elicit ANY compassion from me.

In fact my thought is that we need to streamline executions for all known violent gang members. Simply belonging to a violent gang should warrant the death penalty. These groups exist to protect their members when they sell drugs, steal, rob, burglarize, rape, murder, kidnap, hold and sell sex slaves. I say we as a nation stop being a bunch of pussies and begin to systematically wipe out this growing criminal paradigm. If you don't think it's a growing problem in the US, go live in Juarez Mexico and see what our future holds.

Who defines what a violent gang is? How do you positively identify their members? What are the standards to identify these people that will insure you are murdering the correct tattooed gang members "who are likely there because they're too violent to be on the streets"?


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-10-27 01:21:57 PM  

CruJones: Real question. Why does California, with its lax drug laws, liberal policies, etc lead in overcrowding?


Lax drug laws? Decriminalizing marijuana is about the only thing they've done. There are still plenty of other drugs you can be arrested for possessing in California.

Oh, yeah, there's also the three strikes laws, which the first offenders to be sentenced under it have only recently been able to be paroles (2009 would be the first year anyone with three strikes in California was eligible for parole). Sure, crime rates are down, but that doesn't eliminate those who are already in prison long-term. 

/And frankly, it's the extension of sentences, mandatory minimums, etc., combined with prosecutors that run for office on a "tough on crime" platform that have gotten us this far.
//And the private prison movement is only going to take us farther.
 
2012-10-27 01:25:39 PM  

coco ebert: me texan: Happy Hours: And last I checked our military is still all volunteer.

Last I checked, so is the decision to rob, stab and kill people.

Lol, that's funny how you think most people are in jail for violent crimes.


It's all good though. The system is set up in such a way that it ensures if you were not a violent person when you were incarcerated, you will be when you get out.

Creating violence; It's the american way.
 
2012-10-27 01:25:46 PM  
free knives for all inmates
 
2012-10-27 01:26:29 PM  

IlGreven: Butthurted: GAT_00: Generation_D: And I'm supposed to care, why exactly

How can prison rehabilitate in conditions like that? You do realize that's what prison sentences are supposed to do, right?

You still think our prison system is for rehabilitation? How cute.

Well, then, make all prison sentences life sentences, or death sentences. Either call yourself willing to pay for people who commit felonies to be walled off from society for the rest of their lives, or call yourself willing to condone state-sponsored murder. And then watch crime rates skyrocket as thieves who would go to prison for the same amount of time as murderers start murdering because they've got nothing to lose.


So... because the court system has taken a punitive view of incarceration...we now make the leap to "make all prison sentences life sentences?????
Even Hockey has a distinction between minor and major penalties and that came from CANADA!!
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2012-10-27 01:26:54 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-10-27 01:28:15 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: The number of people in here with a "can't do the time don't do the crime" attitude is scary. Both the "fark'm, they're criminals" mentality itself and the life-view that allows you to so easily write-off other human beings. But it's all their fault right? No innocent person ever goes to prison, or if they do it's worth it to make sure no guilty people go free. And I would certainly never end up there, it's only those others who did the wrong things that everybody else can just not do.

I understand certain backward-thinking demographics having that attitude, but if you're here posting on FARK I wouldn't think you'd fall into any of them that squarely. Basically, I thought you were cool man.


The mentality of taking pleasure in the suffering of others is alive and well. Humans only need the slightest pretense to put people in the category of "Ok to enjoy their misfortune". If it could be proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that a more compassionate, and less punitive prison system (and it has already been proven well beyond that standards needed for reasonable people by other countries) resulted in less recidivism, less crime overall, and fewer violent crimes in particular, I believe most of these people would still be against it. They enjoy vengeance too much to be deprived of it.
 
2012-10-27 01:28:18 PM  
HA HA!

Americans are even fat in prison...
 
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