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(Daily Mail)   Out Of Sight, Out Of Mind: Uncompromising pictures from inside America's overcrowded prison system show the cramped lives lived by more than two million inmates   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 463
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2012-10-27 02:23:28 PM
A lot of Americans seem to have an abuser/abused relationship with their own government (which I suppose is to be expected when a government makes war on its own people). Some people really, really need to believe that there is a good reason why so many of their own citizens are punished so severely. I suppose it's a lot easier to identify with the abuser and think that as long as you mindlessly obey a set of arbitrary rules (e.g don't smoke pot) they'll leave you alone.

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"There's a perfectly good reason why that's not me and it's him. The right people always win, I'm sure of it."

/hot
 
2012-10-27 02:25:36 PM
Look at all the Mexicans. I wonder how many of them are illegals. If we got rid of them that would be more than sufficient to reduce inmate numbers to acceptable levels for the space they have. It'd help out our Department Of Corrections budget problems too, since it costs about 48 thousand dollars a year to house these guys.
 
2012-10-27 02:26:43 PM
End the drug war.
 
2012-10-27 02:29:05 PM
Last time I saw a prison overcrowding story on Fark, I came up with this solution:
1. Change criminal laws so that anyone convicted of theft or any kind of violent crime gets the death penalty.
2. Apply these laws retroactively to those currently incarcerated.
Any jurisdiction that applies this simple solution will quickly solve the problem of prison overcrowding and become a much nicer place to live.
 
2012-10-27 02:30:09 PM

omgwtfetc: A lot of Americans seem to have an abuser/abused relationship with their own government (which I suppose is to be expected when a government makes war on its own people). Some people really, really need to believe that there is a good reason why so many of their own citizens are punished so severely. I suppose it's a lot easier to identify with the abuser and think that as long as you mindlessly obey a set of arbitrary rules (e.g don't smoke pot) they'll leave you alone.

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x420]

"There's a perfectly good reason why that's not me and it's him. The right people always win, I'm sure of it."

/hot


I think I love you.
No, wait, that's Louis CK that I love.
Yes, this 26-year-old young woman would be all over those cynical old man balls like honey on a hot buiscut.

/sshh
 
2012-10-27 02:30:38 PM

Happy Hours: One thing nobody here has asked is why we incarcerate so many more people than any other nation in the world.

Are people in the US that much more likely to be criminals?

Does every other country not punish crime that should be punished?

Anyone?


A lot of other countries execute criminals for crimes that are not capital offenses in the US. Rape, drugs, even corruption. Their prisoners are not afforded the same luxuries that US prisoners get. That's a hell of a lot more incentive to not be a criminal.

/Yeah, I know not all other countries are like that
 
2012-10-27 02:32:15 PM

mike0023: Last time I saw a prison overcrowding story on Fark, I came up with this solution:
1. Change criminal laws so that anyone convicted of theft or any kind of violent crime gets the death penalty.
2. Apply these laws retroactively to those currently incarcerated.
Any jurisdiction that applies this simple solution will quickly solve the problem of prison overcrowding and become a much nicer place to live.


LOL, yeah, a society that engages in mass executions for minor crimes would be such a nice place to live.
 
2012-10-27 02:33:45 PM
WAAAAAAH, I JOINED A GANG AND ROBBED PEOPLE, ASSAULTED PEOPLE, AND SOLD DRUGS OF MY OWN FREE WILL AND NOW THEY WON'T LET ME LEAVE THIS PRISON! WAAAAAAH

zero
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2012-10-27 02:34:33 PM

omgwtfetc: mike0023: Last time I saw a prison overcrowding story on Fark, I came up with this solution:
1. Change criminal laws so that anyone convicted of theft or any kind of violent crime gets the death penalty.
2. Apply these laws retroactively to those currently incarcerated.
Any jurisdiction that applies this simple solution will quickly solve the problem of prison overcrowding and become a much nicer place to live.

LOL, yeah, a society that engages in mass executions for minor crimes would be such a nice place to live.


Better than a society that refuses to execute anyone, no matter how bad their crime.
 
2012-10-27 02:37:27 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: zero
farks
given


and that is why you fail.
 
2012-10-27 02:37:53 PM

mike0023: omgwtfetc: mike0023: Last time I saw a prison overcrowding story on Fark, I came up with this solution:
1. Change criminal laws so that anyone convicted of theft or any kind of violent crime gets the death penalty.
2. Apply these laws retroactively to those currently incarcerated.
Any jurisdiction that applies this simple solution will quickly solve the problem of prison overcrowding and become a much nicer place to live.

LOL, yeah, a society that engages in mass executions for minor crimes would be such a nice place to live.

Better than a society that refuses to execute anyone, no matter how bad their crime.


Do you honestly believe that? I'm trying very hard not to Godwin this, but can you picture what a society that engages in mass executions of minor criminals would look like? Do you really think it would be "nice"?
 
2012-10-27 02:38:49 PM
I get the feeling that a lot of people posting in here actually believe that the West Memphis Three were innocent.
 
2012-10-27 02:39:15 PM

mike0023: LOL, yeah, a society that engages in mass executions for minor crimes would be such a nice place to live.

Better than a society that refuses to execute anyone, no matter how bad their crime.


There are several such societies, such as Denmark, where people are happier than they are in the USA, according to every study that has been done.
 
2012-10-27 02:40:44 PM

Silly Jesus: [i963.photobucket.com image 201x152]


You dog, you!
 
2012-10-27 02:45:29 PM

tonguedepressor: An island that has farming, a big field where supplies and new inmates can be parachuted onto, no guards, no boats and one big ol heaping helping dose of Darwinism.


Even though I mostly think we should try to rehabilitate prisoners for real, I would watch that show... I'm a bad person sometimes.
 
2012-10-27 02:46:35 PM

charmbomb: omgwtfetc: A lot of Americans seem to have an abuser/abused relationship with their own government (which I suppose is to be expected when a government makes war on its own people). Some people really, really need to believe that there is a good reason why so many of their own citizens are punished so severely. I suppose it's a lot easier to identify with the abuser and think that as long as you mindlessly obey a set of arbitrary rules (e.g don't smoke pot) they'll leave you alone.

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x420]

"There's a perfectly good reason why that's not me and it's him. The right people always win, I'm sure of it."

/hot

I think I love you.
No, wait, that's Louis CK that I love.
Yes, this 26-year-old young woman would be all over those cynical old man balls like honey on a hot buiscut.

/sshh


You just like him because he remembers going to the movies when it cost three dollars and there was smoking on airplanes. Not to mention the old man smell.
 
2012-10-27 02:47:39 PM

PsiChick: A nation that locks up more of its citizens than any other 'civilized' nation. Nope, nothing to see here! We're all done here! Yay not thinking!


I would venture to say that our violent crime rate is a little higher than other countries as well. Please note that the comment that I replied to referred to violent crimes...not to our farking ridiculous drug 'crimes'.
 
2012-10-27 02:47:40 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I truly don't farking care. Don't like it? Don't be a crim.



Yeah but ramraiding is so much fun
 
2012-10-27 02:48:09 PM
If you want to know where all the manufacturing jobs went, they're all done by prisoners now. Prisoners in the US make everything imaginable. Furniture, appliances, weapons, ammo, everything.
 
2012-10-27 02:48:20 PM
For those of you who have evolved beyond the "Everybody who gets sent to prison is guilty" mindset, consider 2 things:

*Some of the posters in this thread will serve on juries

*Some American prisons won't even admit journalists because the conditions are worse than those depicted in TFA
 
2012-10-27 02:49:01 PM

tonguedepressor: An island that has farming, a big field where supplies and new inmates can be parachuted onto, no guards, no boats and one big ol heaping helping dose of Darwinism.


vikchav.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-27 02:49:03 PM

mike0023: Last time I saw a prison overcrowding story on Fark, I came up with this solution:
1. Change criminal laws so that anyone convicted of theft or any kind of violent crime gets the death penalty.
2. Apply these laws retroactively to those currently incarcerated.
Any jurisdiction that applies this simple solution will quickly solve the problem of prison overcrowding and become a much nicer place to live.


1. Supreme Court rulings over the years, including Kennedy v. Louisiana just four years ago, have made the death penalty unconstitutional for almost any crime without a dead victim.
2. Ex post facto laws are explicitly unconstitutional.

I'm pointing out the obvious but my real point is that everyone's fantasy solution will be neutered in the process of political compromise with people who totally disagree with it.
 
2012-10-27 02:51:50 PM
 
2012-10-27 02:53:56 PM
This isn't a liberal or conservative only viewpoint. It's the fact that we as a society allow the government to keep forcing new laws and new laws and new laws down our throat. Then when we get popped, the rest shout out "stop breaking the law asshole" until they themselves get popped, and all of a sudden they were a victim; and new people will cry out "stop breaking the law asshole".

Point of fact is, every year politicians pass dozens and dozens of new laws to restrict our freedom. And zero to give it back. We have no one to blame but ourselves. But because we're all disgusting idiots who vote based on what letter is beside their name instead of what we feel they'll actually vote on, we allow it.

Enjoy your user-made society.
 
2012-10-27 02:54:06 PM

pciszek: mike0023: LOL, yeah, a society that engages in mass executions for minor crimes would be such a nice place to live.

Better than a society that refuses to execute anyone, no matter how bad their crime.

There are several such societies, such as Denmark, where people are happier than they are in the USA, according to every study that has been done.


My "common sense" tells me that you are wrong, and is immune to your so called "facts" and "evidence".
 
2012-10-27 02:56:12 PM

Nem Wan: mike0023: Last time I saw a prison overcrowding story on Fark, I came up with this solution:
1. Change criminal laws so that anyone convicted of theft or any kind of violent crime gets the death penalty.
2. Apply these laws retroactively to those currently incarcerated.
Any jurisdiction that applies this simple solution will quickly solve the problem of prison overcrowding and become a much nicer place to live.

1. Supreme Court rulings over the years, including Kennedy v. Louisiana just four years ago, have made the death penalty unconstitutional for almost any crime without a dead victim.
2. Ex post facto laws are explicitly unconstitutional.


As to your point #1, Supreme Court rulings are not set in stone, all it would take to change things are a couple of right-thinking justices. As to your point #2, if (when?) enough people see prison overcrowding as a problem, the constitution can be amended.
 
2012-10-27 02:57:43 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Oh boo fuking whoo. Quit being a gang member, (as most of those pictures show) or murdering, or molesting, or whatever dumb shiat you did to get in there in the first place. It's prison, it's not supposed to be comfortable or a good time.


Again I say, if they weren't in a gang or a violent person when they went in they most likely will be when they get out. Then they'll go ahead and move to the shadier part of your town. Don't let that shiat get you down though, the status quo is obviously working as evidenced by the U.S. having the highest incarceration rate in the Western World.

If tomorrow all the things were gone I'd worked for all my life,
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife,
I'd thank my lucky stars to be living here today,
'Cause the flag still stands for freedom
And they can't take that away.

 
2012-10-27 02:59:17 PM
CSB time:

I once spent a week in Marine transient berthing at naval station Philadelphia, when I checked in I wondered why all the doors were heavy steel with holes where they had used torches to cut locks out, my "room" was a 6x8 cell with no lock on the heavy steel door and a bungie cord holding it shut. I asked wtf was up and was told that it used to be the brig, but the Inspector General had ruled it unsafe for prisoners so they transferred them out, removed the locks and made it Marine berthing. So the place was unsafe for prisoners but just dandy for Marines, that told me exactly where the powers that be had us on the food chain...
 
2012-10-27 03:00:05 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: WAAAAAAH, I JOINED A GANG AND ROBBED PEOPLE, ASSAULTED PEOPLE, AND SOLD DRUGS OF MY OWN FREE WILL AND NOW THEY WON'T LET ME LEAVE THIS PRISON! WAAAAAAH

zero
farks
given


Stupid kid steals a car, get sent up to do hard time in one of our criminal factories. Serves his time, is released, breaks into your apartment, rapes your girlfriend in front of you, and kills you both. Doesn't give a fark. He learned some things in the joint you see, and one of them was that human life has no value at all. But you're ok with that.
 
2012-10-27 03:00:32 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: PsiChick: A nation that locks up more of its citizens than any other 'civilized' nation. Nope, nothing to see here! We're all done here! Yay not thinking!

I would venture to say that our violent crime rate is a little higher than other countries as well. Please note that the comment that I replied to referred to violent crimes...not to our farking ridiculous drug 'crimes'.


...And that's not weird either because..?

/Prison is the symptom, not the problem.
 
2012-10-27 03:01:26 PM

jim32rr: me texan: Happy Hours: And last I checked our military is still all volunteer.

Last I checked, so is the decision to rob, stab and kill people.

Exactly, fark em.


At least one of the pictures was from a county jail. Most jail inmates haven't been convicted of a crime and are awaiting trial.

And some people are jailed or imprisoned for growing marijuana, which isn't something that should be criminalized to the extent it is.
 
2012-10-27 03:01:41 PM

mike0023: Nem Wan: mike0023: Last time I saw a prison overcrowding story on Fark, I came up with this solution:
1. Change criminal laws so that anyone convicted of theft or any kind of violent crime gets the death penalty.
2. Apply these laws retroactively to those currently incarcerated.
Any jurisdiction that applies this simple solution will quickly solve the problem of prison overcrowding and become a much nicer place to live.

1. Supreme Court rulings over the years, including Kennedy v. Louisiana just four years ago, have made the death penalty unconstitutional for almost any crime without a dead victim.
2. Ex post facto laws are explicitly unconstitutional.

As to your point #1, Supreme Court rulings are not set in stone, all it would take to change things are a couple of right-thinking justices. As to your point #2, if (when?) enough people see prison overcrowding as a problem, the constitution can be amended.


You are a moron.
 
2012-10-27 03:03:03 PM
Today I learned that many Americans like to pay taxes for only 2 things:
1 Wars (already knew that one)
2 Prisoners

/also learned the similarity between those peoples' brains and US prisons: not enough cells
 
2012-10-27 03:03:22 PM

omgwtfetc: A lot of Americans seem to have an abuser/abused relationship with their own government (which I suppose is to be expected when a government makes war on its own people). Some people really, really need to believe that there is a good reason why so many of their own citizens are punished so severely. I suppose it's a lot easier to identify with the abuser and think that as long as you mindlessly obey a set of arbitrary rules (e.g don't smoke pot) they'll leave you alone.

[assets.rollingstone.com image 306x420]

"There's a perfectly good reason why that's not me and it's him. The right people always win, I'm sure of it."

/hot


The Just-World Fallacy
 
2012-10-27 03:03:24 PM
Has anyone noticed that this seems to be a stealth form of eugenics? Just take a bunch of "undesirable" men and forcibly remove them from the female population when they are most likely to father children.

Which might at least be understandable if the only people affected were violent criminals, but it does seem more than a little creepy when you start locking up people for smoking pot.
 
2012-10-27 03:04:12 PM
Man, I wish the Office of Justice stats were more easily sharable from here.

FY 2010 Prisoners entering Federal prison
Offense type N
Violent offenses 2,851
Property offenses 8,144
Drug offenses 24,508
Public-order offenses 5,906
Weapon offenses 8,336
Immigration offenses 21,520
Missing/Unknown 707
Total 71,972

It's not murderers and rapists filling the prison system - it's immigration and drugs. What with crack being exponentially a longer prison sentence than cocaine (I think 17 years vs 1 year, but I can't remember. They just changed it) it's pretty obviously slanted to be a money machine to trap brown and black people.
 
2012-10-27 03:05:06 PM
I thought I'd let everybody get their rants off their chests before I pointed something out:
overcrowded prisons are both a sign of social malaise and a potential source of social problems - problems that blow back on society as a whole. There's a lot more to it than "Oh, the poor prisoners are being mistreated, and my heart bleeds".
If they were the only people affected by this, it would be one thing - but that isn't the case, and there's little point in discussing it as if it were.
 
2012-10-27 03:06:32 PM

mike0023: Better than a society that refuses to execute anyone, no matter how bad their crime.


The concept of liberty requires that government power is limited to use that achieves a legitimate purpose and that government have a limited purpose. Once we agree there are limits it's a matter of where those limits are. If you had said, "better than a society that refuses to draw and quarter anyone, no matter how bad their crime," you would be referring to power that government is no longer granted. It's just as easy to imagine society functioning without lethal injection as it does without drawing and quartering.

Philosophically, capital punishment just seems basically incompatible with a society that's not based on a personality cult or totalitarian conformity. The fact the death penalty is so delayed and inconsistent in the U.S. is because opponents of it have made it difficult, and those opponents are never going away. We should just give up on the death penalty. It's a lot easier for capital punishment opponents to mess up a capital punishment system than it is for capital punishment supporters to mess up a non-capital punishment system. What would happen without capital punishment, vigilante revenge murders? Go to prison. Next!
 
2012-10-27 03:06:56 PM

Repo Man: The_Original_Roxtar: WAAAAAAH, I JOINED A GANG AND ROBBED PEOPLE, ASSAULTED PEOPLE, AND SOLD DRUGS OF MY OWN FREE WILL AND NOW THEY WON'T LET ME LEAVE THIS PRISON! WAAAAAAH

zero
farks
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Stupid kid steals a car, get sent up to do hard time in one of our criminal factories. Serves his time, is released, breaks into your apartment, rapes your girlfriend in front of you, and kills you both. Doesn't give a fark. He learned some things in the joint you see, and one of them was that human life has no value at all. But you're ok with that.


So you're saying being stupid shouldn't be a crime? I hope your car never gets stolen. What a stupid argument.
 
2012-10-27 03:08:22 PM

GriffXX: Man, I wish the Office of Justice stats were more easily sharable from here.

FY 2010 Prisoners entering Federal prison
Offense type N
Violent offenses 2,851
Property offenses 8,144
Drug offenses 24,508
Public-order offenses 5,906
Weapon offenses 8,336
Immigration offenses 21,520
Missing/Unknown 707
Total 71,972

It's not murderers and rapists filling the prison system - it's immigration and drugs. What with crack being exponentially a longer prison sentence than cocaine (I think 17 years vs 1 year, but I can't remember. They just changed it) it's pretty obviously slanted to be a money machine to trap brown and black people.


And I'm sure popular culture has done nothing to dissuade said black people from the actions that cause them to end up in jail. Stop glamorizing gang/thug behavior and watch the prisons empty out.
 
2012-10-27 03:09:41 PM
Wow, there are some truly awful people in this thread.
 
2012-10-27 03:09:55 PM

Fade2black: Repo Man: The_Original_Roxtar: WAAAAAAH, I JOINED A GANG AND ROBBED PEOPLE, ASSAULTED PEOPLE, AND SOLD DRUGS OF MY OWN FREE WILL AND NOW THEY WON'T LET ME LEAVE THIS PRISON! WAAAAAAH

zero
farks
given

Stupid kid steals a car, get sent up to do hard time in one of our criminal factories. Serves his time, is released, breaks into your apartment, rapes your girlfriend in front of you, and kills you both. Doesn't give a fark. He learned some things in the joint you see, and one of them was that human life has no value at all. But you're ok with that.

So you're saying being stupid shouldn't be a crime? I hope your car never gets stolen. What a stupid argument.


Point --------------->

You ---------------->
 
2012-10-27 03:10:08 PM
Most of them in there probably want to be in there -- no bills, no rent, sit around playing cards and working out all day? Yeah you have to dodge some prison rape from time to time but most of them don't look TOO upset to be there.

Feck' em all is what I say.

Want to cut down on the prison population? Make prison tough - want dinner? then you are going to work 8 hours doing some sort of menial labor. I will agree that making "marijuana" legal would probably be a smart move... personally I've never smoked and never care to. If you are caught driving or operating heavy machinery while high... you get locked in a hole to rot, but if you are smart about your use, what do I care?

Anyone caught stealing gets a hand chopped off - anyone who's guilty of assault gets their ass beat publicly. Guilty of murder? get an automatic appeal - guilty again? Hang you at noon. Punish these assholes quick/fast/harshly and move on. Sitting around shooting the shiat with their prison buddies on my dime sure isn't rehabilitating them.

Why should we worry about the quality of prisoners life after they go through the system? If you commit a felony, you should have a felony on your record. Also, never underestimate the power of social based shame punishments - i.e. you steal, you lose your hand. After just one generation we would see a dramatic improvement in our levels of crime.

When your punishment system is a revolving door of free food, free medical care, and all the workout time you can handle... is it any wonder people "don't mind" going to prison.
 
2012-10-27 03:10:23 PM
So we've got the violent revenge fetishists, the "fark em, they're criminals" morons, the authoritarian badge lickers..

..and a very, very tiny minority who sees something wrong here. A lot of you sh*tfu*ckers need to have your heads examined.
 
2012-10-27 03:12:24 PM

Eddie Ate Dynamite: I understand certain backward-thinking demographics having that attitude, but if you're here posting on FARK I wouldn't think you'd fall into any of them that squarely. Basically, I thought you were cool man.


Not that it would be very reassuring, but this thread looks a lot better after you've checked out the comments under TFA.
 
2012-10-27 03:13:53 PM
And I messed that up. Point is, a lot of you asshats make me irrationally angry that we inhabit the same planet, and now I'm going to go do something productive with the rest of my day. I hope you get what's coming to you.

/fark you very much james for linking me to this thread
//:)
 
2012-10-27 03:14:06 PM

SnoopDOhDubbaGee: *Some American prisons won't even admit journalists because the conditions are worse than those depicted in TFA


Oh, like Corcoran State Prison in California, where the guards held "Gladiator Days" pitting members of different gangs against each other, and then shooting them both? Link I guess that's one way to solve overcrowding.

/I served in the Army with an ex-prison guard. Most sadistic person I ever met
 
2012-10-27 03:14:55 PM

Nem Wan: The concept of liberty...


I don't know about concepts. I do know that my proposed solution will (1) rapidly reduce prison overcrowding, (2) remove violent criminals and thieves from our midst, (3) discourage other potential violent criminals and thieves. In my opinion, that would make our society better.
 
2012-10-27 03:15:36 PM

accelerus: Anyone caught stealing gets a hand chopped off - anyone who's guilty of assault gets their ass beat publicly. Guilty of murder? get an automatic appeal - guilty again? Hang you at noon. Punish these assholes quick/fast/harshly and move on.


This brilliant idea has never before been tried by any society!
 
2012-10-27 03:16:05 PM
Who gives a crap about these guys. If they are not getting arse farked every day in jail then they should be happy.

Ohhhh they should be arse farked everyday.
 
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