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(WebMD)   Steroid shots found to actually raise the risk of fractures, just like when Barry Bonds took steroid shots and it fractured his chances of making it into the Hall of Fame   (webmd.com) divider line 41
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2012-10-27 08:08:09 AM  
Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.
 
2012-10-27 09:24:14 AM  

mysticcat: Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.

 
2012-10-27 10:26:58 AM  
So that's why A-Rod fractured his hand!!
 
2012-10-27 10:32:04 AM  

mysticcat: Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.


It took three federal grand juries to indict him on anything relating to that, and that was just for perjury. And he still has yet to be tried on that point. So if you have evidence that federal prosecutors don't, by all means bring it to their attention.
 
2012-10-27 10:44:11 AM  
Oh snap! Seems especially appropriate for this headline.
 
2012-10-27 11:09:33 AM  

mysticcat: Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.


And this is a long-known potential side effect of corticosteroids.
 
2012-10-27 11:40:02 AM  

IlGreven: mysticcat: Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.

It took three federal grand juries to indict him on anything relating to that, and that was just for perjury. And he still has yet to be tried on that point. So if you have evidence that federal prosecutors don't, by all means bring it to their attention.


1. Bonds added significant muscle mass in a very short period of time, and then suddenly went from good, but not great home run hitter to record setter.

2. He was playing at a time when everyone else was 'roided to the gills.

3. He was connected to BALCO, which was in business solely for the purpose of providing PEDs and masking agents to athletes.

Stick your head in the sand if you want, but there's enough evidence to draw a reasonably sound conclusion, if not a criminal conviction. OJ was found innocent of murdering his wife, too. Does anybody really think he didn't do it?
 
2012-10-27 12:36:36 PM  
The truth is, if you have any hopes of being a professional athlete you'd be a fool *not* to take steroids.
 
2012-10-27 01:15:52 PM  
Obvious tag out with microfractures and ligament damage from its many years of juicing.
 
2012-10-27 01:28:22 PM  

Darwin's Prophet: mysticcat: Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.

And this is a long-known potential side effect of corticosteroids.


The interesting thing here is that it's evidence that MDs may not be the gods they sometimes appear to think they are. Medications administered by intramuscular injection tend to diffuse themselves throughout the body, so exactly why wouldn't your epidural? How dumb would you have to be for that not to occur to you?
 
2012-10-27 01:29:10 PM  
The key to doing steroids and people not caring about it is to become a very good player but not the greatest. Also smile a lot and be really nice to the media and be considered a good guy.

It's totally cool that David Ortiz did them because we like that guy and he didn't break any records. Even though he went from a marginal player his first 5 years to a monster, keep giving that guy 15m a year and let him play until he wants to retire. He's Big Papi and he has that great smile.

Bonds though - you gotta go buddy. Doesn't matter that you won 3 MVPs before you started using, steroids totally made you the player you were. Lets also shut you out of baseball even after leading the majors in OBP your last full 6 seasons because you're washed up.

Remember, only Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, A-Rod, and Palmiero did steroids under Jose Canseco's supervision. These are the corrupt guys of the sport and should continue to get all the blame for PED use in baseball. Because they were the best and not always likable guys.

Note that this does not apply to you NFL players, do all the stuff you want and no one will care either way.
 
2012-10-27 01:33:35 PM  
is not amused.
nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-27 01:33:57 PM  
Doesn't even matter what he did or didn't take, you don't get to be the best baseball player of all time because of drugs.
 
2012-10-27 01:36:11 PM  
and yet A-Roid will be a first ballot hall of famer
 
2012-10-27 01:36:17 PM  
I am not convinced that steroids used by professional athletes do anything more than allow them to heal more quickly and exercise to better effect (i.e. exercise longer with shorter recovery time) which might be termed improved endurance. This allows athletes to recover more rapidly from injury and to add muscle mass, through exercise, at a faster than normal rate.

I know of no evidence that steroids improve eyesight, reaction time, eye-hand coordination, agility, or athleticism.

My objection to steroid use by athletes is based on the negative side effects. I do not object to them being used to help in the healing process or, in moderation, to increase endurance to aid physical training, any more than I object to the use of sun screen to avoid sunburn, icing down an arm after pitching a game, or inhaling oxygen on the sidelines after a hard run.
 
2012-10-27 01:46:28 PM  

red5ish: I am not convinced that steroids used by professional athletes do anything more than allow them to heal more quickly and exercise to better effect (i.e. exercise longer with shorter recovery time) which might be termed improved endurance. This allows athletes to recover more rapidly from injury and to add muscle mass, through exercise, at a faster than normal rate.

I know of no evidence that steroids improve eyesight, reaction time, eye-hand coordination, agility, or athleticism.

My objection to steroid use by athletes is based on the negative side effects. I do not object to them being used to help in the healing process or, in moderation, to increase endurance to aid physical training, any more than I object to the use of sun screen to avoid sunburn, icing down an arm after pitching a game, or inhaling oxygen on the sidelines after a hard run.


They do increase athleticism. They increase strength abnormally, beyond where genetics would otherwise let it go. For an event where strength is important, this is obviously an unfair advantage. Ask Ben Johnson or Marion Jones whether steroids can make you faster.
 
2012-10-27 01:46:51 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Doesn't even matter what he did or didn't take, you don't get to be the best baseball player of all time because of drugs.


You're right. Willie Mays didn't need or take any drugs.
 
2012-10-27 02:16:47 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: They do increase athleticism. They increase strength abnormally, beyond where genetics would otherwise let it go. For an event where strength is important, this is obviously an unfair advantage. Ask Ben Johnson or Marion Jones whether steroids can make you faster.


They allow the user to increase muscle mass more quickly through exercise but do not increase athleticism. The musculature of the athletes you gave as examples is well within normal range. The only time you see "beyond where genetics would otherwise let it go" is in body builders. Steroids do not make muscles that are faster.

I agree that in sports where strength is important there is the possibility of abuse, which is why I said I don't object to steroid use "in moderation". My personal objection to steroid use is to the bad side effects, and the pressure young athletes might feel to use steroids to be competitive.

There is a widely held view that using steroids results in some sort of magical improvement in performance and that is a view not supported by facts. Even the athletes who use steroids may believe this and there is a placebo effect in play.
 
2012-10-27 02:22:23 PM  

mysticcat: Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.


www.wisdomportal.com

Recognize this iconic image? Kirk Gibson's Amazing HR?

Yeah, Kirk Gibson was on stanozolol at the time. An anabaolic steroid. The same steroid that got Ben Johnson's Olympic record 100m gold medal revoked.

Gibson was a proven juicer, this iconic image is of a roider, hitting a PED enhanced HR - yet people still feel good about his HR, and sweep his PED use under the rug - because they -liked- Gibson.

But you dont see people going around like douches putting asterisks next to his name, or the dodgers for that matter.
 
2012-10-27 02:24:06 PM  
IlGreven
It took three federal grand juries to indict him on anything relating to that, and that was just for perjury. And he still has yet to be tried on that point. So if you have evidence that federal prosecutors don't, by all means bring it to their attention.

Bonds has been convicted in the court of public opinion, which is not always wrong. He won't be fined, he won't go to the big house because of it, but it does make him a pariah, which is income limiting.
 
2012-10-27 03:11:31 PM  

Dear Jerk: Bonds has been convicted in the court of public opinion, which is not always wrong. He won't be fined, he won't go to the big house because of it, but it does make him a pariah, which is income limiting.


Because Bonds is black and unfriendly to sports reporters and had the temerity to break sacred records he has been abused by the press and the public. We can see in this "post-racial" America how successful black men are fairly treated by public opinion, which apparently has the questionable status of being "not always wrong" or, to put it another way, is almost never right.
 
2012-10-27 03:32:24 PM  

red5ish: I am not convinced that steroids used by professional athletes do anything more than allow them to heal more quickly and exercise to better effect (i.e. exercise longer with shorter recovery time) which might be termed improved endurance. This allows athletes to recover more rapidly from injury and to add muscle mass, through exercise, at a faster than normal rate.

I know of no evidence that steroids improve eyesight, reaction time, eye-hand coordination, agility, or athleticism.

My objection to steroid use by athletes is based on the negative side effects. I do not object to them being used to help in the healing process or, in moderation, to increase endurance to aid physical training, any more than I object to the use of sun screen to avoid sunburn, icing down an arm after pitching a game, or inhaling oxygen on the sidelines after a hard run.


Yeah there are.
 
2012-10-27 03:35:49 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah there are.


No, there aren't. Link
 
2012-10-27 03:42:21 PM  
First they're tainted with fungal meningitis and now they can increase spinal fractures. I'm very,very happy medicaid denied payment for those shots for my fiance.
 
2012-10-27 04:03:57 PM  

red5ish: Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah there are.

No, there aren't. Link


From the first bloody sentence,

Anabolic androgenic steroids are synthetic derivatives of the male hormone testosterone that are taken to build muscle, enhance performance, and improve appearance.

It would also help your case if you found something more current than a 20 year old gym class hand out
 
2012-10-27 04:19:35 PM  

red5ish: Because Bonds is black and unfriendly to sports reporters and had the temerity to break sacred records he has been abused by the press and the public. We can see in this "post-racial" America how successful black men are fairly treated by public opinion, which apparently has the questionable status of being "not always wrong" or, to put it another way, is almost never right.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

I'm white? 

Bonds (sans juice) was a phenomenal athlete. Hand eye coordination and raw twitch muscle speed is not increased by steroids. He was great, but not "great enough" in his mind. The fact that he refused to talk to the press and was generally thought of as a douche has nothing to do with his pariah status, right?

encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Apparently I am black.
 
2012-10-27 04:34:46 PM  

cato113: red5ish: Fark_Guy_Rob: Yeah there are.

No, there aren't. Link

From the first bloody sentence,

Anabolic androgenic steroids are synthetic derivatives of the male hormone testosterone that are taken to build muscle, enhance performance, and improve appearance.

It would also help your case if you found something more current than a 20 year old gym class hand out


While I appreciate your taking the time to read the first sentence of the linked to 20-year old gym class handout you stopped short of reading the section titled Can Steroids Improve Athletic Performance.

There are many studies on the web about anabolic-androgenic steroids. Pretty much all of them agree that they aid in increasing muscle mass (while listing a slew of ill-effects).
 
2012-10-27 04:43:04 PM  

mjbok: The fact that he refused to talk to the press and was generally thought of as a douche has nothing to do with his pariah status, right?


Did you not notice that I mentioned his bad press relations?

red5ish: Because Bonds is black and unfriendly to sports reporters and had the temerity to break sacred records he has been abused by the press and the public.


I wouldn't have mentioned Bonds' race at all if I thought his generally being a douche fully explained the insane degree of animosity and hatred directed at him, but it doesn't. If you don't recognize that there is a racist element underlying the vitriol then you are willfully ignoring something that is pretty damned obvious.
 
2012-10-27 04:49:16 PM  

red5ish: forgotmydamnusername: They do increase athleticism. They increase strength abnormally, beyond where genetics would otherwise let it go. For an event where strength is important, this is obviously an unfair advantage. Ask Ben Johnson or Marion Jones whether steroids can make you faster.

They allow the user to increase muscle mass more quickly through exercise but do not increase athleticism. The musculature of the athletes you gave as examples is well within normal range. The only time you see "beyond where genetics would otherwise let it go" is in body builders. Steroids do not make muscles that are faster.

I agree that in sports where strength is important there is the possibility of abuse, which is why I said I don't object to steroid use "in moderation". My personal objection to steroid use is to the bad side effects, and the pressure young athletes might feel to use steroids to be competitive.

There is a widely held view that using steroids results in some sort of magical improvement in performance and that is a view not supported by facts. Even the athletes who use steroids may believe this and there is a placebo effect in play.


What you're claiming is not borne out by experience or common sense. They used to make the same claims you make about steroid use in the '50s and '60s. Only it was about weight lifting, without the steroids. They shut up when people that regularly lifted started exhibiting noticeably improved performance.
 
2012-10-27 04:54:51 PM  

red5ish: I wouldn't have mentioned Bonds' race at all if I thought his generally being a douche fully explained the insane degree of animosity and hatred directed at him, but it doesn't. If you don't recognize that there is a racist element underlying the vitriol then you are willfully ignoring something that is pretty damned obvious.


I'm not naive to think that race plays absolutely no part in it, but it is (at worst) a small factor in the equation. You made it it the biggest factor. The fact that he's been called an asshole, a locker room cancer, and he has done questionable things in his personal life might be bigger parts than his race in the court of public opinion. Look at other athletes that have done questionable things, take Jordan for example. Even despite the fact that he's kind of a dick, he's got charisma and talks to the press and he has gotten little heat for many of the things he did.

You brought up the fact about a black man breaking a cherished record, ignoring the obvious issue that the record was held by a black man.

Armstrong is a great recent example. You can't get more white than him and he is being raked over the coals of public opinion. Maybe, just maybe, that race is so important to you says more about you than those that judge him.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:20 PM  
This is so well known in the medical community. Tomorrow's headline: IV's increase risk of infections.
 
2012-10-27 05:19:24 PM  

mjbok: Maybe, just maybe, that race is so important to you says more about you than those that judge him.


If it appears that I feel that being black is the biggest contributor to people hating Bonds that was not my intention; I have expressed myself poorly. I believe Bonds was the target of unprecedented media bashing because he was unfriendly to the media and because he broke really big records. Bonds was singled out by the media to be the example and prime recipient of scathing media attention surrounding steroids. You can hold up Armstrong and McGuire as examples but there is no comparison to the amount of trashing and hate that was directed at Bonds. Go into any baseball thread and bring up McGuire or any other known steroids user and you will get people making negative comments. Bring up Bonds and the crazy hate is unbelievable.
 
2012-10-27 05:33:58 PM  

ISO15693: mysticcat: Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.

[www.wisdomportal.com image 666x490]

Recognize this iconic image? Kirk Gibson's Amazing HR?

Yeah, Kirk Gibson was on stanozolol at the time. An anabaolic steroid. The same steroid that got Ben Johnson's Olympic record 100m gold medal revoked.

Gibson was a proven juicer, this iconic image is of a roider, hitting a PED enhanced HR - yet people still feel good about his HR, and sweep his PED use under the rug - because they -liked- Gibson.

But you dont see people going around like douches putting asterisks next to his name, or the dodgers for that matter.


You sound like a bitter A's fan.
 
2012-10-27 06:21:44 PM  

red5ish: If it appears that I feel that being black is the biggest contributor to people hating Bonds that was not my intention


Fair enough, that was my read on what you said, it might not have been what you meant.

red5ish: I believe Bonds was the target of unprecedented media bashing because he was unfriendly to the media and because he broke really big records. Bonds was singled out by the media to be the example and prime recipient of scathing media attention surrounding steroids. You can hold up Armstrong and McGuire as examples but there is no comparison to the amount of trashing and hate that was directed at Bonds


The thing is you're not starting from the same point in those other examples. Bonds was fairly universally hated long before the steroids stuff came out. Armstrong was not, neither was McGuire. In fact for Armstrong to be where he is now, it shows how fall he's fallen. I can not remember a time where Bonds was not reviled (outside of the area where he played, and somewhat even there) and so this just piled on the hate people already had.

Like I said above he was a phenomenal natural athlete. His ability to "see the ball" was unreal. The roids just made his connections go a lot further.
 
2012-10-27 06:54:11 PM  
Pujols, Arod, McGwire - all broke down

They tested the nature and glory of God and they all LOST. ahahahhahahahhahha
 
182
2012-10-27 07:41:38 PM  

ISO15693: mysticcat: Barry Bonds* took anabolic steroids, not corticosteroids. Big difference.

[www.wisdomportal.com image 666x490]

Recognize this iconic image? Kirk Gibson's Amazing HR?

Yeah, Kirk Gibson was on stanozolol at the time. An anabaolic steroid. The same steroid that got Ben Johnson's Olympic record 100m gold medal revoked.

Gibson was a proven juicer, this iconic image is of a roider, hitting a PED enhanced HR - yet people still feel good about his HR, and sweep his PED use under the rug - because they -liked- Gibson.

But you dont see people going around like douches putting asterisks next to his name, or the dodgers for that matter.


MOTHERfarkING THIS!!!

/big fan of gibson
//doesn't give a shiat if they all took steriods
 
2012-10-27 08:49:08 PM  
The extreme animosity toward Bonds had nothing to do with him being black. It had to do with him being an asshole and to a greater extent, farking with 714. Just like Lance Armstrong farked with 5.

/and don't overlook perjury. Bonds lied to Congress, Armstrong was getting government money. They're not going to get away with that. They're not bankers.
 
2012-10-27 10:45:43 PM  

182: MOTHERfarkING THIS!!!

/big fan of gibson
//doesn't give a shiat if they all took steriods


The asterisk is about the record, not the name. Anyway, I guess the key is to not be a douche-bag, roided up or not.
 
2012-10-28 12:32:54 AM  

red5ish: I am not convinced that steroids used by professional athletes do anything more than allow them to heal more quickly and exercise to better effect


Shrunken balls is a 'better effect'?
 
2012-10-28 04:43:23 AM  
www.americanmemorabilia.com

Dear Juicers:

Fark. You.

Signed;

The Minnesota Twins.

/Google it, read the Mitchell Report and then realize in the "Steroid" era.... the lowest payroll team, who played in an NFL arena, had the support level of a farm team during baseball's "Golden Era" (1970s) and refused to die (still do)...

...won TWO World Series as the only "clean" team in baseball. If you're ever going to point a finger at the "good guys" in any sport, it should be directed their way. The fact they beat (statistically) the two GREATEST teams in history without any "clear gel applied to buttocks" makes it EVEN MORE amazing.

J.P. Morgan is a Yankees fan.

God is a Twins fan.
 
Skr
2012-10-28 05:50:13 AM  
Honestly most takes I see on doping methods involve the risk that while you have new strength, your body really can't handle the added stress. A body built to carry a certain amount of weight is going to buckle under extreme strain even with improved healing and oxygenation.

Jedekai: [Kirby Picture]



I remember watching the 91 series. I really started to love baseball after that. Real shame what happened to Puckett and the person it twisted him into. Medical screening and a knowledge of family issues could have prevented so much. Was rather sad when he passed away.
 
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