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(CBS Los Angeles 2)   Elderly driver takes BMW down aisle in Target, moves from the needle from "Farmer's Market" to "Blues Brothers"   (losangeles.cbslocal.com) divider line 61
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2012-10-27 08:30:50 AM
They got what they deserved, it was a huge Target.
 
2012-10-27 08:37:30 AM
Thought this was a repeat from Florida, but I was wrong.
 
2012-10-27 08:59:12 AM
If they didn't want through-traffic they shouldn't have put that door there.
 
2012-10-27 09:29:34 AM
Did they have a Miss Piggy?
 
2012-10-27 09:35:33 AM
This building cut me off!
 
2012-10-27 09:36:08 AM
They broke my watch!
 
2012-10-27 09:37:39 AM
Baby clothes!
 
2012-10-27 09:44:10 AM
He saw that the new Cadillacs are out early.
 
2012-10-27 09:46:07 AM
They hate Illinois Nazis
 
2012-10-27 09:49:14 AM

Rwa2play: He saw that the new Cadillacs Oldsmobiles are out early.

 

/ftfy :)
 
2012-10-27 09:49:20 AM
The Reddit thread has a bunch more pictures for additional context: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/125mes/just_another_day_at_targe t /
 
2012-10-27 09:54:48 AM
``The cause of the crash was not immediately known. ``

WTF it states in the article that the driver was 72 yr old....isn`t that cause enough
 
2012-10-27 10:00:25 AM
Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration, don't fail me now.
 
2012-10-27 10:02:44 AM
When did alledge become allege? It clearly has (FTFA: Police said the driver was leaving the mall at the time and allege that she...). When I went to school a LONG time ago it was spelled alledge. Now the dictionaries show it as allege. Seriously, when did it change?
 
2012-10-27 10:08:14 AM
Subby got it wrong. It clearly states that the car was a BMV.
 
2012-10-27 10:12:02 AM

Mirandized: When did alledge become allege? It clearly has (FTFA: Police said the driver was leaving the mall at the time and allege that she...). When I went to school a LONG time ago it was spelled alledge. Now the dictionaries show it as allege. Seriously, when did it change?


The same time they added ain't to the dictionary? 

/ain't ain't a word cuz ain't ain't in the ...wait...
 
2012-10-27 10:13:22 AM
When asked for a comment, the driver said...

"It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas".
 
2012-10-27 10:16:18 AM
that poor BWM!
 
2012-10-27 10:19:10 AM
Disco pants and haircuts.
 
2012-10-27 10:19:36 AM
That place had everything!
 
2012-10-27 10:22:48 AM
You probably could drive down a Target isle with a Smart car, but not Walmart. At Walmart the isles are just a bit narrower and two whales have to be greased to pass each other.
 
2012-10-27 10:27:17 AM
Investigators said there were no skid marks.
Didn't check in the passengers' pants 

Always wondered why they called it Target, now I know
 
2012-10-27 10:30:02 AM
The elderly driver was "in no mood to answer questions"? Sorry honey, but you just hurt two people.... start babbling.
 
2012-10-27 10:31:47 AM
Done in one.

Oh, and I love how the driver is in "no mood" to discuss the incident. With two people hurt, one critically, she is going to have a lot of discussion soon whether she wants to or not.

/no skid marks? methinks Granny may lose her license
//really need to have people retake the road test at 65 and then again every couple of years to maintain their license... driving is a privilege, not a right, and if you are slow to react, inattentive, or otherwise dangerous for other commuters/pedestrians, then you need to find some other way to get where you need to go
///with AARP around, doubt retesting will ever happen
 
2012-10-27 10:33:03 AM

tukatz: The elderly driver was "in no mood to answer questions"? Sorry honey, but you just hurt two people.... start babbling.


All you'll get is, "If those young people think they're so fast, why didn't they move out of my way?"
 
2012-10-27 10:33:38 AM
Did he get the band back together?
 
2012-10-27 10:38:43 AM

Anastacya: ///with AARP around, doubt retesting will ever happen


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

Yeah, just try it and they'll invade your town and start putting people in concentration camps.
 
2012-10-27 10:40:06 AM
"You want out of this parking lot?

Okay."

www.filmbuffonline.com
 
2012-10-27 10:40:53 AM

cajunns: WTF it states in the article that the driver was 72 yr old....isn`t that cause enough


There's a lot of variation in health at that age. Many people still have it together at 100%. OTOH some other people can be pretty far gone from the long term consequences of things like heart disease or diabetes, or have Alzheimer's. Others weren't that great at driving to begin with and a little bit of loss of reflexes or eyesight makes them unsafe.

As a society we really need to address the problem posed by aging, no-longer-safe drivers. The problem:
--losing your license pretty much means you're under house arrest in most parts of the U.S., other than in a few big, high-cost-of-living cities on either coast where there's good public transit
--we don't want to make doctors do it because it'll create a perverse incentive for people not to go to the doctor
--family doesn't want to do it because it puts junior family members in the awkward position of having to take Dad/Granddad's license away
--a blanket age ceiling is a poor idea because as previously noted, there's great variation in health as people age. There are going to be many older people who are just fine and many younger people who are not.
--age-based retesting is blatantly discriminatory and the AARP will fight it tooth and nail
 
2012-10-27 10:42:38 AM

cajunns: ``The cause of the crash was not immediately known. ``

WTF it states in the article that the driver was 72 yr old....isn`t that cause enough


They are probably more used to texting teens killing people, so they need a bit of time to sort this one out.
 
2012-10-27 10:43:42 AM
How do they not know if she was impaired at the time.

She missed a stop sign and drove straight into the store. She was obviously impaired, as I have no doubt that was not her intention.

She may not have been drunk, but her physical/mental state clearly impaired her.
 
2012-10-27 10:43:48 AM
I want to die like my grandfather did. Asleep at the wheel. Not like the other 4 people in the car.
 
2012-10-27 10:45:57 AM
does it have SCMODS?
 
2012-10-27 10:48:48 AM
Cleanup in aisle 3... aisle 4... aisle 5... aisle 6... >.>
 
2012-10-27 10:49:52 AM

Mirandized: When did alledge become allege? It clearly has (FTFA: Police said the driver was leaving the mall at the time and allege that she...). When I went to school a LONG time ago it was spelled alledge. Now the dictionaries show it as allege. Seriously, when did it change?


I think you meant to say it was allegedly spelled that way.
 
2012-10-27 10:59:07 AM

aukutsutsu: Subby got it wrong. It clearly states that the car was a BMV.


They could barely identify the remains.
 
2012-10-27 11:03:29 AM

geekbikerskum: cajunns: WTF it states in the article that the driver was 72 yr old....isn`t that cause enough

There's a lot of variation in health at that age. Many people still have it together at 100%. OTOH some other people can be pretty far gone from the long term consequences of things like heart disease or diabetes, or have Alzheimer's. Others weren't that great at driving to begin with and a little bit of loss of reflexes or eyesight makes them unsafe.

As a society we really need to address the problem posed by aging, no-longer-safe drivers. The problem:
--losing your license pretty much means you're under house arrest in most parts of the U.S., other than in a few big, high-cost-of-living cities on either coast where there's good public transit
--we don't want to make doctors do it because it'll create a perverse incentive for people not to go to the doctor
--family doesn't want to do it because it puts junior family members in the awkward position of having to take Dad/Granddad's license away
--a blanket age ceiling is a poor idea because as previously noted, there's great variation in health as people age. There are going to be many older people who are just fine and many younger people who are not.
--age-based retesting is blatantly discriminatory and the AARP will fight it tooth and nail


A few years ago, my Grandma went out to the grocery store to pick up a few things (I cannot remember what those things were, but that is immaterial). She was gone for a couple of hours, but this wasn't especially out of the ordinary for her, so it didn't raise any red flags. Now, by this time Grandma was getting closer to the nastier stages of Alzheimer's and was beyond the normal "senility" diagnosis. Yet, even with that knowledge we still were not panicked.

A few hours later Grandma got home, hung up her car keys, and never drove again. We never did find out why (sadly, she passed away two years ago this coming January), but we suspect that she got lost on her way home. Either she wandered the parking lot for hours trying to find her car (it was a white Dodge Aries; older model that didn't have electronic locks so there was no quick solution such as hitting the panic button), or she couldn't remember how to get back home and either ended up on the bad side of Dayton or somewhere other than the place where she wanted to be.

Grandma was proactive. She knew that she was slowly losing her mind to that horrible disease, and she knew that the operation of a large, steel vehicle could result in an even worse situation than being lost. I only wish that other seniors would be so willing to admit that they are not as young as they used to be and they could become a danger to society.

/echoing my prior post; driving is a privilege, not a right
//mandatory road testing at 65 and every couple of years thereafter
///if they fail the road test they can appeal it after thirty days and attempt again; a second failure will result in the immediate forfeiture of your driving privileges and a family member/friend must pick you up and drive you home
 
2012-10-27 11:05:09 AM
Hanson's Burgers

(Or is it "Pants and burgers?")
 
2012-10-27 11:12:03 AM

geekbikerskum: cajunns: WTF it states in the article that the driver was 72 yr old....isn`t that cause enough

There's a lot of variation in health at that age. Many people still have it together at 100%. OTOH some other people can be pretty far gone from the long term consequences of things like heart disease or diabetes, or have Alzheimer's. Others weren't that great at driving to begin with and a little bit of loss of reflexes or eyesight makes them unsafe.

As a society we really need to address the problem posed by aging, no-longer-safe drivers. The problem:
--losing your license pretty much means you're under house arrest in most parts of the U.S., other than in a few big, high-cost-of-living cities on either coast where there's good public transit
--we don't want to make doctors do it because it'll create a perverse incentive for people not to go to the doctor
--family doesn't want to do it because it puts junior family members in the awkward position of having to take Dad/Granddad's license away
--a blanket age ceiling is a poor idea because as previously noted, there's great variation in health as people age. There are going to be many older people who are just fine and many younger people who are not.
--age-based retesting is blatantly discriminatory and the AARP will fight it tooth and nail


My solution is everyone re-takes the road test every time they renew their license. And do it like the FAA pilot license renewals. If you don't pass, you get more instruction until you do pass. There are a lot of shiatty drivers out there of all ages, and the rules due change over time (lights on in the rain, move over laws, etc).
 
2012-10-27 11:25:38 AM

clear_prop: the rules due change over time (lights on in the rain, move over laws, etc).


And traffic gets worse. One problem faced by many older drivers is the fact that they learned to drive when the roads weren't nearly as badly jammed up as they are today. I know it's gotten worse over my lifetime and I'm in my mid-40s, licensed since the early 80s.
 
2012-10-27 11:27:08 AM
Investigators said there were no skid marks.

Hell, I just about got skid marks just reading the article 

I guess they didn't interview the bystanders or the people injured. Unless everyone shoplifts clean underwear at the mall. What? Should i not do that? Is it wrong?
 
2012-10-27 11:38:50 AM

geekbikerskum: --age-based retesting is blatantly discriminatory and the AARP will fight it tooth and nail


What states do you guys live in? Here in IL you have to retake your driver's test every two years after you turn 75. A couple of my grandparents recently became subject to this.

/could see how that would be hard to implement in places like FL or AZ with all the old fogies down there
 
2012-10-27 11:39:58 AM

geekbikerskum: clear_prop: the rules due change over time (lights on in the rain, move over laws, etc).

And traffic gets worse. One problem faced by many older drivers is the fact that they learned to drive when the roads weren't nearly as badly jammed up as they are today. I know it's gotten worse over my lifetime and I'm in my mid-40s, licensed since the early 80s.


IMHO, merging on to and safely navigating at least 15 miles of interstate should be part of the drivers licencing test. None of this "around the block and parallel park, here is your licence sir" shiat.
 
2012-10-27 11:54:35 AM

Avery614: IMHO, merging on to and safely navigating at least 15 miles of interstate should be part of the drivers licencing test. None of this "around the block and parallel park, here is your licence sir" shiat.


Even worse, when I took my road test in NJ, they didn't have me go out on the road at all. I drove around a closed "test track" where there might have been at most one other car with another license examinee driving around on it: http://goo.gl/maps/dDYQz Drive here, obey the 20mph speed limit, left here, right there, right again, back up for about 100 feet, done. Didn't even have to parallel park; I took my road test during the 9 months in the 80s when it wasn't part of the exam.

For added irony, that test track is located adjacent to one of the most difficult to navigate, worst-congested freeway interchanges in the state. It's known locally as the "Spaghetti Bowl", where NJ23, US46, and I80 all come together.
 
2012-10-27 11:56:27 AM

Avery614:

IMHO, merging on to and safely navigating at least 15 miles of interstate should be part of the drivers licencing test.


That and driving drunk or at least blindfolded. While day trading, taking pictures of your crotch after pulling your pants down at the wheel, or at the very least texting large foreign words.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-27 12:12:18 PM

VRaptor117: The Reddit thread has a bunch more pictures for additional context: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/125mes/just_another_day_at_targe t /


How did she get that far into the store before stopping? That photo doesn't even look vaguely close to the door.
 
2012-10-27 12:18:06 PM
My father in his declining years visited his dentist one morning.

In his 1980 Dodge. All the way to the back wall. Fortunately it was 5am so all he collected was .. well ... a whole lot of the dentist's office. No people were injured in this stunning event.

"The brake was stuck full on" was his version.

"Dad, that pedal is the gas."

"Oh"

We managed to keep hi from driving ever again.
 
2012-10-27 12:22:13 PM

geekbikerskum: Even worse, when I took my road test in NJ, they didn't have me go out on the road at all. I drove around a closed "test track" where there might have been at most one other car with another license examinee driving around on it: http://goo.gl/maps/dDYQz Drive here, obey the 20mph speed limit, left here, right there, right again, back up for about 100 feet, done. Didn't even have to parallel park; I took my road test during the 9 months in the 80s when it wasn't part of the exam.

For added irony, that test track is located adjacent to one of the most difficult to navigate, worst-congested freeway interchanges in the state. It's known locally as the "Spaghetti Bowl", where NJ23, US46, and I80 all come together.


Yeah, I took mine in 1997 and no parallel parking for me either. I just went around the block, 3 point turn and back to the licencing center to cruise around in my 1972 Buick Skylark. Great car for a teenager btw, think I only hit 10 or 12 things in the first few weeks.

BitwiseShift: Avery614:

IMHO, merging on to and safely navigating at least 15 miles of interstate should be part of the drivers licencing test.

That and driving drunk or at least blindfolded. While day trading, taking pictures of your crotch after pulling your pants down at the wheel, or at the very least texting large foreign words.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 425x310]



Don't forget eating breakfast while reading a paper on the passenger seat and, if female, doing your hair and makeup while traveling at least 55mph. Bonus points are awarded if you use a hairdryer.
 
2012-10-27 12:23:55 PM
SmartestClemkadidlefark It's known locally as the "Spaghetti Bowl", where NJ23, US46, and I80 all come together.

They call all those Big Fat Interchanges "Spaghetti Bowls", 'cept in Orange Couny, CA it's "The Orange Crush"
 
2012-10-27 12:47:55 PM

pjc51: VRaptor117: The Reddit thread has a bunch more pictures for additional context: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/125mes/just_another_day_at_targe t /

How did she get that far into the store before stopping? That photo doesn't even look vaguely close to the door.


This is actually my local target. It has two floors and is attached to a pretty big mall. From the photo it looks like she crashed through the rear doors of the store. It was an old entrance which had been painted black and repurposed as emergency exits. Which is why she landed in the mens department.

I could see this happening pretty easily, you wouldn't even need to hit the accelerator. The main parking garage for the mall is right next to these doors and its exit ramp runs perpendicular to these doors. All you need to do is loose your breaks coming out of the garage and you'll be taking a detour through Target.
 
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