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(Daily Mail)   Want to eat like a caveman? Go easy on red meat and load up on veggies... and don't forget to pick up some Cocoa Pebbles cereal, too - part of this good breakfast   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 70
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2012-10-27 02:09:19 AM  
"Om nom nom nom nom....."
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2012-10-27 02:22:37 AM  
Want to eat like a caveman? Go easy on red meat and load up on veggies, study reveals

"The study, published in November, pretty much says what ever other study published on the subject has said."

/old news, etc
 
2012-10-27 02:26:21 AM  
Want to eat like a caveman?

No.
 
2012-10-27 02:40:32 AM  
hunter-gatherers didn't just hunt, but also gathered? huh.
 
2012-10-27 02:52:11 AM  

log_jammin: hunter-gatherers didn't just hunt, but also gathered? huh.


They actually studied farmers.
 
2012-10-27 05:08:49 AM  
Want to eat like a caveman?

NO

They lived to be 20...if they were lucky, vegemitter

Actually a large part of the diet was eating carrion....carnivore leftovers...which explains why there's nothing like a ribeye that's been "aged' for 80 days
 
2012-10-27 06:47:31 AM  
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2012-10-27 08:43:34 AM  

acanuck: Want to eat like a caveman?

NO

They lived to be 20...if they were lucky, vegemitter

Actually a large part of the diet was eating carrion....carnivore leftovers...which explains why there's nothing like a ribeye that's been "aged' for 80 days


Is not amused
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2012-10-27 09:04:24 AM  
do this. now quick do the OPPOSITE! now quick do the other thing again! no wait DO something entirely different!!

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2012-10-27 09:14:17 AM  
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bad fred, eat more veggies!!!
 
2012-10-27 09:16:03 AM  
We invent fire to cook steak and some people would rather chew on veggies? Jeez.

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/even your dog knows better
 
2012-10-27 09:18:04 AM  
So wait. If I eat mostly carbs I'll be insulin resistant, mostly fats I'll have heart disease, and apparently too much protein leads to 'nitrogen poisoning' according to TFA.
 
2012-10-27 09:23:20 AM  
Beware any article that has the word "perhaps".
 
2012-10-27 09:29:47 AM  
Don't forget spelt bread. As a bonus, it's really delicious.
 
2012-10-27 09:29:59 AM  

amquelbettamin: So wait. If I eat mostly carbs I'll be insulin resistant, mostly fats I'll have heart disease, and apparently too much protein leads to 'nitrogen poisoning' according to TFA.


Weird, almost as if some sort of balance is key for an omnivore. Still the nitrogen poisoning thing is a bit overblown as your liver can apparently quickly adapt to help out in that dept, though the discussion of this article elsewhere did lead me to the fascinating phenomenon of "rabbit starvation", where people can starve and develop intense hunger and cravings for fat if they subsist entirely on lean meats
 
2012-10-27 09:32:13 AM  
Really, no one caught that at the end? The comparison was to the first farmers, 12,000 years ago? How the fark is a farmer 12,000 years ago a caveman? And then it mentions Inuits and tosses away the fact that they do (still today) eat a majority animal based diet with....well they eat a lot of fat too! As if Cavemen didn't also eat the fat of the animals they killed. Fat is where the flavor is and observation of indigenous cultures has shown over and over again that when humans take game they eat the fat preferentially (and usually the offal too despite recently developed food aversions to offal in Western culture).....on account of it tasting better. Fat is where the flavor is. Red meat, devoid of fat isn't translated into a particularly yummy experience by our brains.

Very few people actually enjoy non-marbled, super lean meat. The brain is hardwired to like fatty and sweet things. If your wiring is different you are an anomaly. Congrats, your brain is a little different. But, for most humans fat was and still is consumed preferentially in hunter-gatherer diets. Inuits are not special because they eat fat. They just have more access to it because where they live the animals carry more fat. But, humans all over the globe throughout our eons of evolution have loved them some tasty animals. Because animal flesh is generally a nice mix of fat and protein.
 
2012-10-27 09:34:33 AM  

amquelbettamin: So wait. If I eat mostly carbs I'll be insulin resistant, mostly fats I'll have heart disease, and apparently too much protein leads to 'nitrogen poisoning' according to TFA.


Then why isn't Anthony Bourdain dead?
 
2012-10-27 09:38:49 AM  
I'm definitely heavy on red meat and preserved foods (frozen etc.). Probably too much sodium as well.

I'd like to introduce more vegetables into my diet, but they are by and large farking disgusting. I can eat green onions and various peppers in moderation. That's about it. Help?
 
2012-10-27 09:39:05 AM  
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Sure, I like eggs.
 
2012-10-27 09:39:40 AM  
"That was surprising because only 45 per cent of present-day human diets come from protein of any type."
- If you're a pencilneck sissy whimp!
 
2012-10-27 09:47:40 AM  
Thank you, Science!!

/Vegetarian
//Fark you Farkers who trolled me in a previous bacon thread
///Fark you!!!!
////Extras slashie
 
2012-10-27 09:53:08 AM  

casual disregard: I'm definitely heavy on red meat and preserved foods (frozen etc.). Probably too much sodium as well.

I'd like to introduce more vegetables into my diet, but they are by and large farking disgusting. I can eat green onions and various peppers in moderation. That's about it. Help?


eat a carrot
 
2012-10-27 10:00:04 AM  

casual disregard: I'd like to introduce more vegetables into my diet, but they are by and large farking disgusting. I can eat green onions and various peppers in moderation. That's about it. Help?


Take any vegetable, cut into bite size pieces, put in a bowl and cover with olive oil or coconut oil, sprinkle with salt, and then roast on a cookie sheet at 450*F until golden brown. Don't crowd the pan, let them breathe. I swear this makes everything mouthwatering good - even brussel sprouts (cut in half). Onions, carrots, peppers, eggplant, broccoli, and parsnips all work really well.
 
2012-10-27 10:06:04 AM  
Want to eat like a caveman? Eat whatever you can get unless you know it is poisonous.
 
2012-10-27 10:06:10 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I swear this makes everything mouthwatering good


It truly does. Mmmmmmm now I want some roasted brussel sprouts and carrots.
 
2012-10-27 10:15:32 AM  

casual disregard: I'm definitely heavy on red meat and preserved foods (frozen etc.). Probably too much sodium as well.

I'd like to introduce more vegetables into my diet, but they are by and large farking disgusting. I can eat green onions and various peppers in moderation. That's about it. Help?


Is it the texture or flavour? I reckon keep it simple and add vegies slowly. Butter is your friend.
I recommend frozen corn kernals. Put 1/2 - 1 cup in a mug, dob of butter on it, cover it clingfilm with small hole, microwave one minute. Serve. Is tasty.
In my bachelor days i would add this to a lazy oven meal of chicken and wedges.
The frozen wedges probably another good veggie for you - potato that tastes good, especially the beer batter ones.
 
2012-10-27 10:25:55 AM  
The study is silly. If salmon are in abundance grizzly bears will eat the fat, skin and organs and leave the protein rich flesh for the birds. Just because cavemen didn't eat as much protein as is commonly portrayed doesn't mean they didn't get most of their nutrients from eating animals. It seems like the problem is that they are using the modern human concept of eating meat which usually means eating lean muscle tissue with the fat trimmed off.

I would like to see an explanation of how cavemen were able to find enough wild growing, abundant and widespread enough vegetation that they were able to make it a large part of their diets. Given how widespread humans were even in our caveman days you can be sure there were some groups that ate more or less vegetation and more of less meat depending on their environment. But you don't just walk out and find a field of carrots and sweet potatoes growing in the wilderness, fruits are in season for a few weeks at a time, most vegetation cannot be digested by humans so might come across an occasionally edible root, berry or herb but nothing that would actually sustain even an individual, never mind a whole family or group.
 
2012-10-27 10:31:10 AM  

Magorn: amquelbettamin: So wait. If I eat mostly carbs I'll be insulin resistant, mostly fats I'll have heart disease, and apparently too much protein leads to 'nitrogen poisoning' according to TFA.

Weird, almost as if some sort of balance is key for an omnivore. Still the nitrogen poisoning thing is a bit overblown as your liver can apparently quickly adapt to help out in that dept, though the discussion of this article elsewhere did lead me to the fascinating phenomenon of "rabbit starvation", where people can starve and develop intense hunger and cravings for fat if they subsist entirely on lean meats


There are a couple of essential fatty acids people cannot make themselves. Miss either one too long and the insulation of your nerves gets crappy and so on from recycling them into the related compounds the body builds from them (which is why they're essential, duh).
 
2012-10-27 10:32:38 AM  
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2012-10-27 10:34:16 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: casual disregard: I'd like to introduce more vegetables into my diet, but they are by and large farking disgusting. I can eat green onions and various peppers in moderation. That's about it. Help?

Take any vegetable, cut into bite size pieces, put in a bowl and cover with olive oil or coconut oil, sprinkle with salt, and then roast on a cookie sheet at 450*F until golden brown. Don't crowd the pan, let them breathe. I swear this makes everything mouthwatering good - even brussel sprouts (cut in half). Onions, carrots, peppers, eggplant, broccoli, and parsnips all work really well.


Notice that they have to be covered in fat before they can be considered good. And coconut oil is almost entirely saturated fat (which is good for you) but which is supposedly so bad for you and is given as the reason why you should eat veggies and not meat in the first place.
 
2012-10-27 10:44:28 AM  
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Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Don't forget spelt bread. As a bonus, it's really delicious.


Annnd... spelt.
 
2012-10-27 10:44:46 AM  

acanuck: Want to eat like a caveman?

NO

They lived to be 20...if they were lucky, vegemitter

Actually a large part of the diet was eating carrion....carnivore leftovers...which explains why there's nothing like a ribeye that's been "aged' for 80 days


From what understand, the short lifespan on hunter-gatherers is a myth: if they didn't die young from some infectious disease as child, they lived almost as long as people do today, and much longer than agricultural folks did before modern medicine. Don't forget: life expectancy is an average.
 
2012-10-27 10:49:09 AM  
Our pre-egrarian ancestors not only ate a LOT of animal (fat and meat and marrow) but they also had to chase it for miles. We didn't chase corn out of Africa and across the globe.
 
2012-10-27 10:50:59 AM  

macil22: Notice that they have to be covered in fat before they can be considered good.


The fat isn't really what makes it good. What the fat does is create a sort of mini-pressure cooker around the vegetable. It allows the inside of the vegetable to get hot enough to caramelize the sugars in the vegetable without turning the outside into carbon.

It's similar to why french fries taste better fried than baked. Baked can actually have more fat than properly fried french fries, but the fat keeps enough pressure around the potato to create tasty golden brown deliciousness.
 
2012-10-27 10:59:35 AM  
The comparison of hunter-gatherer homo sapiens to ourselves is just a bad comparison. We don't have their lifestyle, so we can't compare our diet to theirs. They ate high protein, high fat food but they used far more energy in their pursuit of each meal than we do.

A comparative sedentary lifestyle would allow for a more vegi-centric diet. This is why mankind has produced thing like vegans. Your weekly trip to Wholefoods doesn't require 6,000 calories.
 
2012-10-27 11:11:17 AM  
Makes sense. The source of red meat has the ability to avoid being sourced as red meat, while the source for plants doesn't really.
 
2012-10-27 11:17:43 AM  

macil22: The study is silly. If salmon are in abundance grizzly bears will eat the fat, skin and organs and leave the protein rich flesh for the birds. Just because cavemen didn't eat as much protein as is commonly portrayed doesn't mean they didn't get most of their nutrients from eating animals. It seems like the problem is that they are using the modern human concept of eating meat which usually means eating lean muscle tissue with the fat trimmed off.

I would like to see an explanation of how cavemen were able to find enough wild growing, abundant and widespread enough vegetation that they were able to make it a large part of their diets. Given how widespread humans were even in our caveman days you can be sure there were some groups that ate more or less vegetation and more of less meat depending on their environment. But you don't just walk out and find a field of carrots and sweet potatoes growing in the wilderness, fruits are in season for a few weeks at a time, most vegetation cannot be digested by humans so might come across an occasionally edible root, berry or herb but nothing that would actually sustain even an individual, never mind a whole family or group.


The answer is that they ate seasonally. Some things do store, but still, when berries are in season, you do like bears and gorge on berries.

And so far as fields of one plant: you obviously haven't spent much time outdoors. Hike around anywhere reasonable hospitable and you'll see ponds of watercress or hillsides of berry bushes or a wild grape vine, not to mention all the plants we can eat but don't because we found better stuff.
 
2012-10-27 11:17:59 AM  

MechaDupek: The comparison of hunter-gatherer homo sapiens to ourselves is just a bad comparison. We don't have their lifestyle, so we can't compare our diet to theirs. They ate high protein, high fat food but they used far more energy in their pursuit of each meal than we do.

A comparative sedentary lifestyle would allow for a more vegi-centric diet. This is why mankind has produced thing like vegans. Your weekly trip to Wholefoods doesn't require 6,000 calories.


Whoa, whoa, here. I'm sure our ancestors used vegetables in their daily diet quite often.

Mostly as bait.
 
2012-10-27 11:24:02 AM  
What did cavemen eat in the wild? Seriously, our guts aren't built to process grass. And if you pay attention, most of the old world veggies at the grocery store are variants on brassica, all of which are the product of selective breeding.

I'd have to agree that red meat probably wasn't a big part of the diet. Probably a lot more smaller animals, fish and fowl, with the occasional herd animal or carrion. Cows had to be domesticated somewhere and then radiated throughout the old world.
 
2012-10-27 11:25:17 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: [ufandshands.org image 400x320]


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2012-10-27 11:35:54 AM  

wildcardjack: What did cavemen eat in the wild?


I have a book on edible wild plants. It's really amazing what you can eat. Lots of leaves are edible, and so are a lot of roots, which are more calorie dense. Pretty much every part of a cattail (those big plants that look like poop) is edible, and those grow all around lakes. Mushrooms too. Chicken of the forest can be huge and would provide a lot of sustenance.
 
2012-10-27 11:41:59 AM  

casual disregard: I'm definitely heavy on red meat and preserved foods (frozen etc.). Probably too much sodium as well.

I'd like to introduce more vegetables into my diet, but they are by and large farking disgusting. I can eat green onions and various peppers in moderation. That's about it. Help?


You might be cloraphyl intolerant. My dietician diagnosed Me with that about a year ago.

If you can eat veggies that aren't green like carrots and beets that could be an indicator. Cloraphyl is what makes veggies green and is why I can eat veggies that aren't green.

My son is the same way, and I tried really hard to get him to eat green veggies.
 
2012-10-27 11:53:22 AM  

onyxruby: casual disregard: I'm definitely heavy on red meat and preserved foods (frozen etc.). Probably too much sodium as well.

I'd like to introduce more vegetables into my diet, but they are by and large farking disgusting. I can eat green onions and various peppers in moderation. That's about it. Help?

You might be cloraphyl intolerant. My dietician diagnosed Me with that about a year ago.

If you can eat veggies that aren't green like carrots and beets that could be an indicator. Cloraphyl is what makes veggies green and is why I can eat veggies that aren't green.

My son is the same way, and I tried really hard to get him to eat green veggies.


Hmm I may have had this. Would retch and barf if I tried to eat any green vegie. Over time i got used to green vegies, first by disguising their flavour in stirfry sauces etc. Took ~15 years. Now isnt so bad.
 
2012-10-27 12:15:22 PM  
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2012-10-27 12:25:12 PM  

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Give peas a chance.
 
2012-10-27 12:27:40 PM  
I don't know what you vegan pussies are talking about so here's a picture of the BA-K-47, the bacon based assault rifle.


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2012-10-27 12:28:54 PM  

amquelbettamin: So wait. If I eat mostly carbs I'll be insulin resistant, mostly fats I'll have heart disease, and apparently too much protein leads to 'nitrogen poisoning' according to TFA.


Don't worry so much about fat. Eat it with your protein and you'll be fine. The only fats you should avoid are trans-fats, anything that says hydrogenated, and rancid vegetable oils.


/grass-fed beef ftw
 
2012-10-27 12:52:22 PM  

El Dudereno: amquelbettamin: So wait. If I eat mostly carbs I'll be insulin resistant, mostly fats I'll have heart disease, and apparently too much protein leads to 'nitrogen poisoning' according to TFA.

Don't worry so much about fat. Eat it with your protein and you'll be fine. The only fats you should avoid are trans-fats, anything that says hydrogenated, and rancid vegetable oils.


/grass-fed beef ftw


Always good to hear from an expert. what are the results of your study aside from this?
 
2012-10-27 12:59:40 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: I don't know what you vegan pussies are talking about so here's a picture of the BA-K-47, the bacon based assault rifle.
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THAT makes more sense than arguing about what ancient peoples ate, and how we would all be saved if only we ate a certain way too.

All you "foodies" do know that your obsession with every bite you put in your mouth used to be called "eating disorders," right?
 
2012-10-27 01:02:26 PM  

MadCat221: Makes sense. The source of red meat has the ability to avoid being sourced as red meat, while the source for plants doesn't really.


Most plants have some sort of toxin in them that makes them inedible at best, poisonous at worst. Carnivores have to work harder for their dinner, but at least it's safer to eat than what herbivores have to put up with.
 
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