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(The New York Times)   American music establishment types angered that Billboard now de-emphasizes FM radio in favor of online listening, making Gangnam Style the nation's #1 rap song for past three weeks. "They cannot make people who live hip-hop believe Psy is rap"   (nytimes.com) divider line 129
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2012-10-27 07:38:04 AM  
People who live hip-hop?

1993 called. They want their culture back.

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2012-10-27 08:03:59 AM  
Gangnam Style is better than 90% of the crap out there right now. It's a fun, satirical song.
 
2012-10-27 08:38:35 AM  
"We'll talk about this more later but first here's nine commercials from local car dealers with the dealers' kids doing the voice-over, a 'live action broadcast' from the Saturday morning DJ at the local supermarket telling us all about the CRAZY deals on gourds, a canned weather forecast recorded sixteen hours ago, some local news read verbatim from the near-bankrupt local paper and our Wacky Birthday Wheel Spin of the Hour to win backstage passes to meet Gerardo! After that, we'll talk about why FM radio just isn't relevant anymore then play a song from our Clear Channel approved list!"
 
2012-10-27 09:23:54 AM  
Psy sounds more like music than rap.
 
2012-10-27 10:03:58 AM  
Korean music is pretty awesome. I present No Brain (or, what happens when Easterners are exposed to The Clash and decide to do that):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNY2KOh37Q&feature=BFa&list=FLaCH71H5 Q 72XSkUpnYkgkeg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5TpGlZ8yZo&feature=BFa&list=FLaCH71H5 Q 72XSkUpnYkgkeg
 
2012-10-27 10:08:54 AM  
FTA: There was a time when radio programmers - and the record labels who lobbied them - largely defined the charts, using surveys of their listeners and their gut instincts to select hits.

Hmmm... it's as if they were cheating the system. This is a stain on the otherwise reputable music industry!


FTA: "Trust me when I tell you hip-hop does not consider Psy rap," said Ebro Darden, the program director at Hot 97

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2012-10-27 10:08:56 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "We'll talk about this more later but first here's nine commercials from local car dealers with the dealers' kids doing the voice-over, a 'live action broadcast' from the Saturday morning DJ at the local supermarket telling us all about the CRAZY deals on gourds, a canned weather forecast recorded sixteen hours ago, some local news read verbatim from the near-bankrupt local paper and our Wacky Birthday Wheel Spin of the Hour to win backstage passes to meet Gerardo! After that, we'll talk about why FM radio just isn't relevant anymore then play a song from our Clear Channel approved list!"


Don't forget interrupts every 3 minutes to tell everyone how they play 50 minutes of uninterrupted music.

To be fair, the radio isn't so bad during student time (7pm to 6am). It's housewife and the rushes where they just loop the same 15 songs every 45 minutes. From 10 am to 4pm, The Buzz down here in Houston plays all the hit songs from when I was in high school (late 90's).
 
2012-10-27 10:13:37 AM  

zvoidx: FTA: There was a time when radio programmers - and the record labels who lobbied them - largely defined the charts, using surveys of their listeners and their gut instincts to select hits.

Hmmm... it's as if they were cheating the system. This is a stain on the otherwise reputable music industry!


por-img.cimcontent.net: Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
 
2012-10-27 10:15:19 AM  
I GOT A TREE ON MAH HOUSE!
 
2012-10-27 10:20:51 AM  
People listen to FM?
 
2012-10-27 10:36:58 AM  
I look forward to Gangnam Style eventually going the fark away, especially the parodies.
 
2012-10-27 10:40:08 AM  
I always enjoy it when people get all uppity and think they can define what is or is not music, or what is or is not a certain genre of music. As if either of those two things, especially the former, is an objective concept. PSY's music is whatever you want it to be. Want it to be pop? It's pop. Want it to be rap/hip-hop? It's rap/hip-hop?

Quit with the pissing contests and just enjoy it.
 
2012-10-27 10:41:17 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I always enjoy it when people get all uppity and think they can define what is or is not music, or what is or is not a certain genre of music. As if either of those two things, especially the former, is an objective concept. PSY's music is whatever you want it to be. Want it to be pop? It's pop. Want it to be rap/hip-hop? It's rap/hip-hop? .

Quit with the pissing contests and just listen.

 
2012-10-27 10:41:53 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: I look forward to Gangnam Style eventually going the fark away, especially the parodies.


In that case, I look forward to the next big internet thing being ten times worse and lasting ten times longer.

/The best thing about the internet is that you CAN IGNORE THINGS.
 
2012-10-27 10:42:15 AM  
And an industry that would rather sue its customers than change its business model is shocked to see the power falling out of its hands.
 
2012-10-27 10:45:27 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Old school rap artist.
 
2012-10-27 10:51:38 AM  
Psy is more legitimate than when people were declaring Eminem one of the best rappers ever.
 
2012-10-27 10:54:51 AM  
Payola just called. It's hand is coming up from the grave trying to grab your attention.
It's got a fist full of dollars.
 
2012-10-27 10:56:55 AM  

skinink: Psy is more legitimate than when people were declaring Eminem one of the best rappers ever.


Based on music sales, he is.
 
2012-10-27 11:00:47 AM  
Since Clear Channel took the majority holding of the FM spectrum the whole thing has gotten stuck in a death spiral.

When a commercial block expands to 4 minutes or more (as I noticed before I got my first iPod) people aren't going to stick around. So advertisers want a cheaper rate in case their ad is in the middle to end of that block. So they have to play more ads, and advertisers want a cheaper rate.

The real secret to increasing revenue from broadcast advertising is to REDUCE the number of ads. If you can make advertisers compete for the now scarce resource then advertising might work once again instead of just driving people away.

And this advice applies to you farking website designers who think it's clever to slide an ad the instant someone scrolls to continue reading an article. I have better sites to read.
 
2012-10-27 11:11:01 AM  
Hey, is this the thread where misinformed people make broad generalizations about how the radio/muisc industry works, and then complain about Nickelback?
 
2012-10-27 11:11:19 AM  

Psycoholic_Slag: skinink: Psy is more legitimate than when people were declaring Eminem one of the best rappers ever.

Based on music sales, he is.


Based on beer sales, Bud Light is the greatest beer of all time.
 
2012-10-27 11:12:08 AM  

SVenus: It's got a fist full of dollars.


i830.photobucket.com

Will require a few dollars more.
 
2012-10-27 11:12:10 AM  

23FPB23: Hey, is this the thread where misinformed people make broad generalizations about how the radio/muisc industry works, and then complain about Nickelback?


No, Eminem seems to be the scapegoat here.
 
2012-10-27 11:13:04 AM  
Remember, these are commercial issues, not music issues. Rap / Hip-Hop are, to the industry, fetishized genre music, like Country or boy band music. It has a set structure and milieu -- the cursing, the misogyny, the token antiestablishmentarianism (fark the cops and pass the weed), the uniforms (standard rapper gear is as industry-driven as Country's cowboy hats and boots). It's marketing.

Gangnam Style fits within that fetishized genre, mostly as a parody of it, but Psy does not belong to the (American) industry that wants to control the genre. So they're upset. They want you to keep consuming stuff produced by the 'outsider' artists who are actually inside their market.

The US has the most powerful and effective music industry, which is why other countries get a TON of US pop music but the US market gets very little foreign music. The internet is farking that up, and the music industry here hates and fears that. Go figure.
 
2012-10-27 11:25:12 AM  
Meesa Gungan Style!
 
2012-10-27 11:25:56 AM  

RandomAxe: Remember, these are commercial issues, not music issues. Rap / Hip-Hop are, to the industry, fetishized genre music, like Country or boy band music. It has a set structure and milieu -- the cursing, the misogyny, the token antiestablishmentarianism (fark the cops and pass the weed), the uniforms (standard rapper gear is as industry-driven as Country's cowboy hats and boots). It's marketing.

Gangnam Style fits within that fetishized genre, mostly as a parody of it, but Psy does not belong to the (American) industry that wants to control the genre. So they're upset. They want you to keep consuming stuff produced by the 'outsider' artists who are actually inside their market.

The US has the most powerful and effective music industry, which is why other countries get a TON of US pop music but the US market gets very little foreign music. The internet is farking that up, and the music industry here hates and fears that. Go figure.


Couldn't have said it better myself. Outside of the compression*, the internet has been a boon for music lovers.

*For most places, of course- Pandora, Slacker, iHeartRadio, etc. There are other what (er, well)-established places to legally stream and buy high-quality music.
 
2012-10-27 11:35:28 AM  

delathi: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 350x350]

Old school rap artist.


I'd rap it.
 
2012-10-27 11:38:22 AM  
Other than occasionally turning on the local news station to get a traffic report, I haven't voluntarily listened to radio in years. However, at my job I sit between two people in their late fifties. One has the local Clear Channel "classic rock" station on while the other has on the local Clear Channel "classic R&B" station. Both stations seem to have about a ten-song playlist, although the R&B station is SLIGHTLY more varied. I once pointed out to the classic rock guy that in the six hours we'd been there the station had played Boston's "More Than A Feeling" FOUR TIMES. He looked at me sort of blankly. "Really?"

It's background noise, nothing more. Those who really enjoy music have their iPods and/or Pandora.
 
2012-10-27 11:40:22 AM  
 
2012-10-27 11:47:05 AM  

RandomAxe: and the music industry here hates and fears that. Go figure.


I bought a car a little over a year ago. Came with free SiriusXM for six months. I hadn't had Sirius before, and enjoyed many of the stations... for a week. By the end, I was listening to NFL, and that was about it. Many of the music stations played a small set of songs, something I didn't expect. When the subscription ran out, I didn't re-up. Got notes and the rest for cheaper and cheaper six month intro rates, with the full price to follow. I still haven't re-upped. Wife got a new car three months back, with a year subscription to Sirius. I took it recently, flipped over to the stations, still couldn't find anything I liked that I hadn't already heard five times during the day.

Expecting satellite music to play unique streams is like expecting the SyFy network to play science fiction or the The Learning Channel to show stuff about learning.
Somebody likes that crap, but it's not me.
 
2012-10-27 11:49:34 AM  

Marisyana: Other than occasionally turning on the local news station to get a traffic report, I haven't voluntarily listened to radio in years. However, at my job I sit between two people in their late fifties. One has the local Clear Channel "classic rock" station on while the other has on the local Clear Channel "classic R&B" station. Both stations seem to have about a ten-song playlist, although the R&B station is SLIGHTLY more varied. I once pointed out to the classic rock guy that in the six hours we'd been there the station had played Boston's "More Than A Feeling" FOUR TIMES. He looked at me sort of blankly. "Really?"

It's background noise, nothing more. Those who really enjoy music have their iPods and/or Pandora.


CC doesn't own Classic Rock or Urban in Richmond. The Urban is Radio One, and the Classic Rockers are owned by Saga, Cox, and a newspaper.
 
2012-10-27 11:52:00 AM  
FM radio should be de-emphasized. It's been going downhill since Clear Channel started expanding in '96, and has turned just plain disgusting since Bain Capital bought them in '08.

Marisyana: It's background noise, nothing more. Those who really enjoy music have their iPods and/or Pandora.


This. Slacker has some pretty good channels, too - I've been finding more "similar but different" stuff thanks to Slacker than I ever did on Pandora.
 
2012-10-27 11:55:52 AM  

alwaysjaded: Don't forget interrupts every 3 minutes to tell everyone how they play 50 minutes of uninterrupted music.

To be fair, the radio isn't so bad during student time (7pm to 6am). It's housewife and the rushes where they just loop the same 15 songs every 45 minutes. From 10 am to 4pm, The Buzz down here in Houston plays all the hit songs from when I was in high school (late 90's).



TEN PAST THE HOUR, WEINER AND THE BUTT PLAYIN THE BESSSSSSSSST OF THE 90S, 50 MINUTES OF UNINTERRUPTED HITS 20 PAST THE HOUR, UH OH, YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT KHLOE DID THIS TIME, COMIN' UP, DIRTY AT THIRTY, WE PHONE PRANK YOUR FRIENDS AND GET DIRRRRRTY 20 TO THE HOUR YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT LADY GAGA WORE LAST NIGHT COMIN' UP, WEINER AND THE BUTT WITH THE PHRASE THAT PAYS, COMIN' UP, STORMY SHOWERS WITH WEATHER AND CAMERON DOLLAR WITH THE MARKET RECAP AND TRAFFIC NEWS, IT IS BUMPER TO BUMPER ON THE 17 AVOID SURFACE STREETS 10 TO THE HOUR, YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT HONEY BOO BOO SAID LAST NIGHT CALLER 9 WITH THE PHRASE THAT PAYS YOU WIN $100 YOU'RE LISTENING TO WEINER AND THE BUTT
 
kab
2012-10-27 12:04:27 PM  

Mentat: Gangnam Style is better than 90% of the crap out there right now.


You either have a terribly narrow listening scope, or music is simply doomed.
 
2012-10-27 12:05:34 PM  

SVenus: RandomAxe: and the music industry here hates and fears that. Go figure.

I bought a car a little over a year ago. Came with free SiriusXM for six months. I hadn't had Sirius before, and enjoyed many of the stations... for a week. By the end, I was listening to NFL, and that was about it. Many of the music stations played a small set of songs, something I didn't expect.


This, just got a new car and I get three free months of satellite radio. I can't believe how small the setlist is on these stations. The 90s station has an entire decade of music to choose from, yet I've heard them play "Nookie" by Limp Bizkit three times.
 
2012-10-27 12:06:46 PM  

malaktaus: Psycoholic_Slag: skinink: Psy is more legitimate than when people were declaring Eminem one of the best rappers ever.

Based on music sales, he is.

Based on beer sales, Bud Light is the greatest beer of all time.


Why isn't it? Because it's not to YOUR liking? More people like Bud LIght than any other kind of beer. It must be pretty damn good. If YOUR beer was the best beer ever, wouldn't more people like and buy it?
 
kab
2012-10-27 12:08:06 PM  

clkeagle: FM radio should be de-emphasized. It's been going downhill since Clear Channel started expanding in '96, and has turned just plain disgusting since Bain Capital bought them in '08.


It's been downhill since LOOONG before that. I'm a bit shocked that it's even a discussion point at all, given that the only customer base that finds it appealing are folks who like being told what to listen to.

Sitting through hours of commercials to hopefully hear a shortened version of a tune you might like has simply never ever been appealing.
 
2012-10-27 12:08:14 PM  

rickythepenguin: TEN PAST THE HOUR, WEINER AND THE BUTT PLAYIN THE BESSSSSSSSST OF THE 90S, 50 MINUTES OF UNINTERRUPTED HITS 20 PAST THE HOUR, UH OH, YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT KHLOE DID THIS TIME, COMIN' UP, DIRTY AT THIRTY, WE PHONE PRANK YOUR FRIENDS AND GET DIRRRRRTY 20 TO THE HOUR YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT LADY GAGA WORE LAST NIGHT COMIN' UP, WEINER AND THE BUTT WITH THE PHRASE THAT PAYS, COMIN' UP, STORMY SHOWERS WITH WEATHER AND CAMERON DOLLAR WITH THE MARKET RECAP AND TRAFFIC NEWS, IT IS BUMPER TO BUMPER ON THE 17 AVOID SURFACE STREETS 10 TO THE HOUR, YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE WHAT HONEY BOO BOO SAID LAST NIGHT CALLER 9 WITH THE PHRASE THAT PAYS YOU WIN $100 YOU'RE LISTENING TO WEINER AND THE BUTT


You're like a one-man Sklar Brothers routine.
 
kab
2012-10-27 12:09:25 PM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: This, just got a new car and I get three free months of satellite radio. I can't believe how small the setlist is on these stations. The 90s station has an entire decade of music to choose from, yet I've heard them play "Nookie" by Limp Bizkit three times.


Not to mention that the sound quality is farking abysmal.
 
2012-10-27 12:12:21 PM  

SVenus: RandomAxe: and the music industry here hates and fears that. Go figure.

I bought a car a little over a year ago. Came with free SiriusXM for six months. I hadn't had Sirius before, and enjoyed many of the stations... for a week. By the end, I was listening to NFL, and that was about it. Many of the music stations played a small set of songs, something I didn't expect. When the subscription ran out, I didn't re-up. Got notes and the rest for cheaper and cheaper six month intro rates, with the full price to follow. I still haven't re-upped. Wife got a new car three months back, with a year subscription to Sirius. I took it recently, flipped over to the stations, still couldn't find anything I liked that I hadn't already heard five times during the day.

Expecting satellite music to play unique streams is like expecting the SyFy network to play science fiction or the The Learning Channel to show stuff about learning.
Somebody likes that crap, but it's not me.


When I had xm I loved Special X. A Dr Demento type thing. They also had some great old timey radio show programs. One of the alt stations had weekly shows like 6 Degrees of Rock tying songs together through shared players, producer, etc. They also had a great punk show. But as a whole I agree with you that trying to find hours of listenable music on any one channel wasn't happening.
 
2012-10-27 12:12:27 PM  
Of course people who live hip-hop don't like it. Rap isn't hip-hop.

/people still make hip-hop music?
 
kab
2012-10-27 12:14:16 PM  

jaylectricity: malaktaus: Psycoholic_Slag: skinink: Psy is more legitimate than when people were declaring Eminem one of the best rappers ever.

Based on music sales, he is.

Based on beer sales, Bud Light is the greatest beer of all time.

Why isn't it? Because it's not to YOUR liking? More people like Bud LIght than any other kind of beer. It must be pretty damn good. If YOUR beer was the best beer ever, wouldn't more people like and buy it?


Someone doesn't know how marketing works.

Avatar and Titanic are now 2 of the best movies ever made.
 
2012-10-27 12:14:25 PM  

jaylectricity: malaktaus: Psycoholic_Slag: skinink: Psy is more legitimate than when people were declaring Eminem one of the best rappers ever.

Based on music sales, he is.

Based on beer sales, Bud Light is the greatest beer of all time.

Why isn't it? Because it's not to YOUR liking? More people like Bud LIght than any other kind of beer. It must be pretty damn good. If YOUR beer was the best beer ever, wouldn't more people like and buy it?


Yes, by the same logic, everyone wants to drive a Ford Focus or Civic instead of a top end Mercedes or Porsche. Market forces, how do they work?

The truth is, most people will buy what they are marketed.
 
2012-10-27 12:17:02 PM  

SVenus: Payola just called. It's hand is coming up from the grave trying to grab your attention.
It's got a fist full of dollars.


This.

How else could you explain so-called "artists" like "P!nk" and "Ke$ha" getting so much airplay. Sony could use its declining fortunes on better things, like rebuilding their image in consumer electronics.
 
2012-10-27 12:19:09 PM  

kab: Handsome B. Wonderful: This, just got a new car and I get three free months of satellite radio. I can't believe how small the setlist is on these stations. The 90s station has an entire decade of music to choose from, yet I've heard them play "Nookie" by Limp Bizkit three times.

Not to mention that the sound quality is farking abysmal.


That too, is it even in stereo? It sounds like low quality MP3s.
 
2012-10-27 12:20:47 PM  

iaazathot: jaylectricity: malaktaus: Psycoholic_Slag: skinink: Psy is more legitimate than when people were declaring Eminem one of the best rappers ever.

Based on music sales, he is.

Based on beer sales, Bud Light is the greatest beer of all time.

Why isn't it? Because it's not to YOUR liking? More people like Bud LIght than any other kind of beer. It must be pretty damn good. If YOUR beer was the best beer ever, wouldn't more people like and buy it?

Yes, by the same logic, everyone wants to drive a Ford Focus or Civic instead of a top end Mercedes or Porsche. Market forces, how do they work?


Yes, 'cuz it's not about what people like, it's about what they actually buy. In radio and TV land, it's not about what they like, it's about what they watch or listen to. The people who hate Rush Limbaugh and Honey Boo-Boo and still watch are just as much to blame for its ratings as those who love Rush Limbaugh and Honey Boo-Boo.
 
2012-10-27 12:21:21 PM  
So much attention for a sub par type of music. get some talent.
 
2012-10-27 12:23:11 PM  

RandomAxe: Gangnam Style fits within that fetishized genre, mostly as a parody of it, but Psy does not belong to the (American) industry that wants to control the genre. So they're upset. They want you to keep consuming stuff produced by the 'outsider' artists who are actually inside their market.

The US has the most powerful and effective music industry, which is why other countries get a TON of US pop music but the US market gets very little foreign music. The internet is farking that up, and the music industry here hates and fears that. Go figure.


This explains 1996 and the Macarena. "Gangham Style" is just that phenomon, 16 years later.
 
2012-10-27 12:24:14 PM  
American music establishment types angered that Billboard now de-emphasizes FM radio in favor of online listening, making Gangnam Style the nation's #1 rap song for past three weeks. "They cannot make people who live hip-hop believe Psy is rap" thinks it is still considered useful for some stupid reason.

fixed the headline for you.
 
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