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(Slate)   Who said it: a Christian conservative, or an Islamic fundamentalist?   (slate.com) divider line 51
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2012-10-27 12:27:46 AM  
9 votes:
Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men. Both versions are patriarchal, though, and necessitate controlling women.
2012-10-27 01:21:35 AM  
7 votes:
I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.
2012-10-26 11:32:25 PM  
7 votes:
There's a difference?
2012-10-27 10:12:23 AM  
5 votes:
i46.tinypic.com
2012-10-26 11:44:26 PM  
5 votes:
I got 5 out of 9. Goddammitsomuch. I had to admit I hoped a little bit that this one would turn out to be from some obscure jackass brushing away flies while talking into a VHS camcorder, 10 time zones away from me. Religion is like anal sex: Feel free to do it all you want with a consenting partner. In private, preferably But don't do it in front of me, don't ask me to pay for your crisco, and for jesusgoddamchrist's sake, don't try and do it TO me, idiot.

"A child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly."
- Charlie Fuqua, Republican candidate for Arkansas State House of Representatives, in his book God's Law: The Only Political Solution


F**k you, Charlie. I'm sorry your dad did bad things to you, but you don't have to take it out on your own children for f**king sake. Schmuck.
2012-10-27 04:02:03 AM  
4 votes:
Eight of nine. If they were afraid of women it was Islamic. If they hated women it was Christian.
2012-10-27 03:29:36 AM  
4 votes:
6 out of 9. Not much difference between the two, but then we already knew that.

Semi-relevant pic:

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2012-10-27 01:00:37 AM  
4 votes:
i.imgur.com

/oblig
2012-10-26 11:25:14 PM  
4 votes:
Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.
2012-10-27 01:18:39 AM  
3 votes:
They can't even recognize themselves in the mirror though. This is why it amuses the hell out of me to watch American social conservatives flip the hell out about the election of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. "It is an outrage that such a conservative, fundamentalist religious person could be elected to the presidency where he may wish to impose his personal, conservative religious beliefs on his own people!" Indeed.

An American religious fundamentalist has a hell of a lot in common with an Iranian religious fundamentalist. You just have to change the names of some of the magical characters and the name of the magic books. Once that's done, they probably have more in common with each other than either of them do with the majority of the rest of Western Civilization. Yet, who is on the radar of American religious conservatives right now as the biggest threat to Western Civilization and humanity (well, maybe after Obama and Pelosi)?
2012-10-26 11:35:09 PM  
3 votes:

Tarkus: There's a difference?


Hats
2012-10-27 12:51:51 PM  
2 votes:
chuggernaught:


Isn't that cute! You're trying to rewrite history by expanding the connotation of religion. Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists. They're all yours, find a better way to deal with it.

And you completely missed the point and went straight for the "no true scotsman" because you can't imagine millions of people worshiping a nebulous deity named "Juche" or "The Fatherland" or "Communism" rather than one named "Jehova." History would disagree with you on what constitutes a religion.

It's nice that you got in a "us vs. them" bit in there though. I do believe that was listed in my chart.
2012-10-27 04:08:54 AM  
2 votes:

bhcompy: Comparing [blacks] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.

KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or preeminent American statesman and philosopher Thomas Jefferson

/everyone is capable of saying stupid shiat


yet you had to go back over 200 years to make your point.
2012-10-27 03:27:43 AM  
2 votes:

God-is-a-Taco: Damn it, I was hoping to ace it.
6 out of 9. I should have done better.

I look forward to more holy wars. I think Islam will win Europe, but Christianity will be hard to dethrone in America.


Don't be hard on yourself. It was a very difficult test. It makes me wonder if this is what the Federalist papers were warning about Factions caring about their own interests over the welfare of others.
2012-10-27 03:08:55 AM  
2 votes:
You don't have to be religious to hate women who don't behave themselves the way you think they should, or to think your own ideology and culture superior. Ever seen a redneck or fattie thread around here?
2012-10-27 01:52:29 AM  
2 votes:

jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.


Actually, the ones that seem to want to "protect" women and children were the ones I knew Islamic.

Big clue is in the Islamic faith, women can get a divorce, if the husband is terrible. On the other hand, a man can gain a wife via rape.-Hence why men insist that women they stay indoors...because the male men are ultimately responsible for their women safety/purity.
2012-10-27 01:49:53 AM  
2 votes:
I got 8 out of 9.

coco ebert:
Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men. Both versions are patriarchal, though, and necessitate controlling women.

Depending on what era of Muslim we're are talking about. One of the things that I heard from one of their stories, is that Women are considered more pure than men Morally. A man is expected to be weak, women are supposed to know better. They are supposed to be hid away like treasure.

The problem, however, is that we haven't been THAT different from them even 40 years ago. Women were vastly restricted in jobs. Expected to stay home and take care of their children.
2012-10-27 01:16:11 AM  
2 votes:
Got this one wrong:

"Woman possesses the weapon of seduction and temptation."

If I hadn't heard most of those quotes before, a coin-toss would have been the most appropriate method of choosing.
2012-10-27 12:40:25 AM  
2 votes:
Oh come on, this is impossible.
2012-10-29 04:47:17 AM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: I mean, you asked me straight out "What do you think about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ? truth or lie ?", and I gave you a straightforward answer: "Lie, of course.".

I even went so far as to describe the long-accepted proof that the Protocols are a forgery, and even cited evidence of that proof.

The fact that you cannot accept the answer and explanation I offered (which is identical to the standard Protocols narrative), but that I MUST be speaking in "anti-Semitic code-talk" make me wonder whether you are a delusional paranoid - an affliction that seems to be unusually prevalent among the poo-flinging Zionist Apologist crowd - at least here on Fark.


And the explanation of your "method" as usual: You never say it, that's the genius of it. You only hint at it, only ask innocent questions. you just said, in your extremely sophisticated method, *cough*, that the proof for the Protocols being a forgery is insubstantial, the claims about it being a forgery is questionable.

As evident by his own given link you can see the elaborate genius of it, Sophisticated mix of sarcasm, doubt and retardation, if you will. Amos Quito thinks he can express his doubt that the Protocols are a forgery but since he didn't out right say it he's in the clear. He never said it, you see.

Amos Quito: but that I MUST be speaking in "anti-Semitic code-talk"


What code talk ? it obvious to a brick wall. When you present the assassination of JFK as a zionist plot the Amos Quito(tm) way of course, your meaning is not exactly shrouded in mystery.

Amos Quito: Of course you do not truly understand that the posts you link to do NOT support the wild-eyed conclusions that you embrace - but if you did, you wouldn't be a delusional paranoid, would you?


So was it your evil twin who blamed the jews for the Holocaust ? WWII and WWI ? Kennedy assassination ? 9/11 ? or claimed that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are legit ?

You just stumbled into this thread by mistake to bring the Jews to the mix ?just couldn't help yourself.

Amos Quito: And what of your repeated accusations of "anti-Semitism"? You know, I re-read every post I made in that thread, and I'll be damned if I can find a single statement that I MADE that could possibly be construed as "anti-Semitic"


Because in your delusional retarded little mind since you only hinted and 'asked questions here' you never MADE anything. An insult to any sentient being's intelligence.

Amos Quito: Ironically, as you repeatedly accuse me of anti-Semitism, you yourself expressed a loathing disdain for Jews that don't share your Zionist ideals - saying that they are "ten times worse" than anti-Semites.


And some more projections. I said the insane cult of Neturei Karta are ten times worse. You of course adore them because like you they pray for the eradication of Israel. There is a reason every other jewish community shuns them.

Amos Quito: Yes, you are an odd character, Fapping-In-Vain - a self-described "atheist Jew" who lives in Israel, and who is wholeheartedly devoted to Political Zionism. But how do you justify that? I mean, as an atheist you certainly don't subscribe to the "God gave this land to us" fairytale that MOST Jews try to use to "justify" their aggressive colonization of Palestine, right? I mean, if there is no God, there can be no promise, and no "chosen people" for god to favour above all others, right?


Not just an anti-semite turd but an ignorant farktard as well. judaism is a nationality as well as a religion, most israelis are not orthodox but secular, the early settlers were atheist eastern Europeans, jews lived in the region as well, the authority was the British Mandate, there was no 'Palestine' nation or country etc and so on.

Amos Quito: So how DO you reconcile your rabid devotion to a political movement that was founded to hack out, by hook or by crook, a land SPECIFICALLY intended to be populated by ONE group of people from anywhere and EVERYWHERE on the planet that shared ONE thing: Common genetic heritage traced back to Abraham, Issac and Jacob (AKA Israel)?


Yes because we all know all jews live in Israel and everyone living in Israel is a jew, including the 20% Muslim Israelis, the christians, Druze, Bedouin etc.

Amos Quito: Religious Jews who are staunch Zionists MAY be able to use their quirky religious beliefs to "justify" their devotion to this inherently bigoted society, but atheists like you? Well frankly, it appears that you're nothing more than a racist - and of the worst stripe.


So projecting is your new favorite defense mechanism ? well, whatever you think works i guess.
2012-10-28 07:36:36 PM  
1 votes:

Amos Quito: No, you don't like what I say, but you can't argue against it with fact, so you lie. Lie lie lie lie, naively assuming that you won't get called out. You'd think that you'd have learned by now, but then again, folks of your ilk are not terribly adept at learning from their mistakes, are they? Witness TappingTheVein following in your footsteps that lead to the edge and off into the abyss.


Projection is an understatement. he probably thinks this is as ingenious as his posting technique of anti-semitic bullshiat.

Too bad things do not vanish from the good old internet and all his antisemitic insanity, conspiracy theories and infantile pathetic attempts to squirm his way out of his posts is present in all its anti-semitic glory.
2012-10-27 03:30:54 PM  
1 votes:
Fundamentalists from Abrahamic religions tend to have similarities - and none of them should ever hold political power.
2012-10-27 02:17:17 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Breeze: fluffy2097: 9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.

Um... No. Find me the most recent example of a woman shot in the face by a Christian just for wanting the right to attend school.

I'm waiting...


You know how I know you didn't RTFA?

I'll shut you down anyways though. Look at all these religious folks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States
2012-10-27 02:03:42 PM  
1 votes:

chuggernaught: maxheck: smitty04:

jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

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Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic fervently religious dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million 1.7 million

You just HAD to do it, didn't you?

Just because their god is The State rather than Yaweh or Allah or whatever, don't make the mistake that genocide can be accomplished without religion.

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Imagine if any one of these dictators had said "Yeah, believe whatever you want. I don't care." Do you think they'd have racked up quite the death toll?

Isn't that cute! You're trying to rewrite history by expanding the connotation of religion. Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists. They're all yours, find a better way to deal with it.


As Bertrand Russell said in 1921:

There is, however, another aspect of Bolshevism from which I differ more fundamentally. Bolshevism is not merely a political doctrine; it is also a religion, with elaborate dogmas and inspired scriptures. When Lenin wishes to prove some proposition, he does so, if possible, by quoting texts from Marx and Engels. A full-fledged Communist is not merely a man who believes that land and capital should be held in common, and their produce distributed as nearly equally as possible. He is a man who entertains a number of elaborate and dogmatic beliefs-such as philosophic materialism, for example-which may be true, but are not, to a scientific temper, capable of being known to be true with any certainty. This habit, of militant certainty about objectively doubtful matters, is one from which, since the Renaissance, the world has been gradually emerging, into that temper of constructive and fruitful scepticism which constitutes the scientific outlook. I believe the scientific outlook to be immeasurably important to the human race. If a more just economic system were only attainable by closing men's minds against free inquiry, and plunging them back into the intellectual prison of the middle ages, I should consider the price too high. The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism

If you think that non religious freethinkers want anything to do with that, you cannot be too bright.
2012-10-27 12:41:35 PM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men. Both versions are patriarchal, though, and necessitate controlling women.


Once upon a time, women were revered as amazingly powerful creatures because of their ability to "spontaneously generate" live human babies. But then someone figured out that only happened to women who'd had sex with a man, leading to a new belief that men were actually the creators of babies and women were merely the vessels for the seed. That's a pretty huge cultural shift toward patriarchy and the thinking behind it.
2012-10-27 11:22:38 AM  
1 votes:
9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.
2012-10-27 09:56:03 AM  
1 votes:
Simple. The Islamic Fundamentalist tends to talk in a more literate manner as if quoting from the Quran, where as the Christian conservative jibbers it out like Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.
2012-10-27 09:39:27 AM  
1 votes:
Same god, same beliefs, same hate. The only reason they aren't best friends is because they are arguing over copyright infringement.
2012-10-27 09:13:40 AM  
1 votes:

Forbidden Doughnut: BronyMedic: Can we just agree both are bad, and need to be eradicated from the face of the earth?

I can't go along with that. Sometimes, the cure is worse than the disease...

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Wow. You went there that early? You didn't even bother trolling first?
2012-10-27 09:11:13 AM  
1 votes:

intelligent comment below: What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.


Besides not wanting to take over Planet earth, what's the difference? Jewish fundies are no less scumbags than their christian and muslim brothers. (NSFW language)
2012-10-27 07:34:46 AM  
1 votes:

pciszek: log_jammin: No. not the same thing at all. A person can be religious and still understand why hypocrisy is bad, and that theocracies cannot be a democracy.

Maybe, so long as they aren't one of the batshiat crazy flavors of religious. Hence my statement that someone who opposed the evangelicals' agenda but insisted on self-identifying as a Christian would have to be one of the so-called "liberal Christians" that the evangelicals despise. "Liberal Christian" doesn't necessarily refer to someone who is politically liberal, but is a label that the self-proclaimed "Real Christians" apply to any Christian who believes that the universe is more than 10,000 years old, or that the US Constitution does not establish the US as a Christian Nation, or that Muslims have as much right to build mosques as Christians have to build churches, etc.


You're just bickering over a label. The important thing is someone that someone is actively pointing out bullshiat in a church somewhere, when they see bullshiat. and that's a good thing no matter what the person calls themselves.
2012-10-27 07:32:39 AM  
1 votes:
Can we just agree both are bad, and need to be eradicated from the face of the earth?

/fundamentalism of any flavor causes far more damage than the impetus they crusade against.
2012-10-27 06:38:06 AM  
1 votes:

Tarkus: There's a difference?


Yes. Islamic fundamentalists are powerless over here.
2012-10-27 06:06:59 AM  
1 votes:

MisterTweak: "A child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly."
- Charlie Fuqua, Republican candidate for Arkansas State House of Representatives, in his book God's Law: The Only Political Solution


Hey Charlie, Someone has some news FOR YOU.
Jesus Christ: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6
2012-10-27 06:05:36 AM  
1 votes:

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Eight of nine. If they were afraid of women it was Islamic. If they hated women it was Christian.


"It is forbidden for a woman to serve as member of Knesset, it's not modest," the rabbi said. "Public exposure contradicts the Jewish principle that 'all the glory of the daughter of a king is internal,'" Aviner added in comments first published on the Kipa website. Link
2012-10-27 06:02:25 AM  
1 votes:

pciszek: Why are you siding with them? If you dislike theocracy, shouldn't you become one of the "liberal Christians" that evangelicals despise?


How in the world is he siding with them if he's trying to point out their hypocrisy to them?
2012-10-27 06:00:25 AM  
1 votes:

I sound fat: Wait, if they were EXACTLY the same, you wouldnt have been able to tell them apart in the quiz, no?


Because every culture in the world speaks exactly the same. every phrase translated into english will always sound exactly like it came from an speaker of American English.

Or maybe...It's YOU!!!
2012-10-27 05:57:22 AM  
1 votes:

iEatPennies: I've been beating my head against a wall for at least 10 years now trying to show some Christians how they're the EXACT same as the people they hate (which they'll never admit. They do it, but they won't call it hate). It's two sides of the same coin. These same people cannot grasp that you can't have democracy and theocracy at the same time.


Actually, some of the uber-right wants to do away with democracy. They say you can't have democracy and liberty at the same time. (But they don't see a conflict between theocracy and liberty, go figure.)

/Born again evangelical Christian since 1981

Why are you siding with them? If you dislike theocracy, shouldn't you become one of the "liberal Christians" that evangelicals despise?
2012-10-27 04:33:18 AM  
1 votes:
Got 9 out of 9. Sigh.

I've been beating my head against a wall for at least 10 years now trying to show some Christians how they're the EXACT same as the people they hate (which they'll never admit. They do it, but they won't call it hate). It's two sides of the same coin. These same people cannot grasp that you can't have democracy and theocracy at the same time.

/Born again evangelical Christian since 1981
2012-10-27 03:29:00 AM  
1 votes:
This game wasn't even fun back in the Twelph Century.
I know; let's do it again. It will definitely work this time!

Vote Mitt: Or Else
2012-10-27 03:24:50 AM  
1 votes:

kxs401: Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.


What makes you think they haven't?
2012-10-27 02:54:58 AM  
1 votes:
5/9

A couple were pretty easy because of verbiage. The rest, not so much.

That said,

Tarkus: There's a difference?

2012-10-27 02:48:55 AM  
1 votes:

dickfreckle: 7 of 9, rather


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2012-10-27 02:34:50 AM  
1 votes:
7 of 9, rather
2012-10-27 02:31:04 AM  
1 votes:

log_jammin: jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.

that was my method as well.


I've missed you in these wee hours. Glad to see you again.

/7/10, but it really could have gone either way
2012-10-27 01:30:05 AM  
1 votes:

jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.


Bravo.
2012-10-27 12:52:04 AM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men.


Particularly interesting once emphasis is added. Contrast:

Hierarchical Linear Modelling indicated that attitudes towards a 'dangerous' groups domain was significantly related only with RWA, attitudes toward a second 'derogated' groups domain was related only to SDO, and attitudes toward a third, 'dissident' groups, domain was significantly related to both, but powerfully with RWA and weakly with SDO. -- (doi:10.1002/per.614)
2012-10-27 12:50:14 AM  
1 votes:
It's almost like organized religions of all flavors don't want to acknowledge that the very reason we exist is because we emerged from a female womb, and that perpetuation of life is more profound than anything else we could dream up.
2012-10-27 12:33:35 AM  
1 votes:
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7403584/80295073#c80295073" target="_blank">violentsalvation</a>:</b> <i>I didn't meant to downvote this thread. Someone undo that for me, thanks.</i>

Done.

<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7403584/80295185#c80295185" target="_blank">SilentStrider</a>:</b> <i>6 of 9.

Some scary stuff.</i>

Indeed. I've been asking forever, though, why anyone thinks Christian fundamentalists are any different from the Islamists. I've never gotten an answer other than "Because WE worship the one TRUE God!"
2012-10-27 12:17:02 AM  
1 votes:
8/9. I mistakenly thought the line from Yusuf al-Qaradhawi was too liberal for an Islamic Fundamentalist.
2012-10-26 11:56:45 PM  
1 votes:
Ha ha! I got 4/9 correct.

I guess I really can't tell.

kxs401: Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.


Exonmoble?
 
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