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2012-10-27 09:20:02 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Got this one wrong:

"Woman possesses the weapon of seduction and temptation."

If I hadn't heard most of those quotes before, a coin-toss would have been the most appropriate method of choosing.


Maybe because they haven't used it on you.

/I keed.
 
2012-10-27 09:24:52 AM  

sdd2000: Christian fundamentalists any North American political fundamental religious group -- the American Taliban (TM)

 

/Fixed
 
2012-10-27 09:39:15 AM  
That was easy. Islamic fundamentalists are more eloquent about their hatred and fear.
 
2012-10-27 09:39:27 AM  
Same god, same beliefs, same hate. The only reason they aren't best friends is because they are arguing over copyright infringement.
 
2012-10-27 09:40:50 AM  

Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?


Or whom?
 
2012-10-27 09:41:40 AM  
I believe the correct answer to this would be: Yes.
 
2012-10-27 09:49:18 AM  

intelligent comment below: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.


I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito claims can simultaneously cry about being controlled by such a small number of Semites past and present.

What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.


They're certainly the same in their hatred/fear of women.
 
2012-10-27 09:50:07 AM  
"[A girl] can read a useful book, prepare her homework, join a charity, and spend her time doing things that are useful to her in this world and the world to come, instead of thinking about satisfying her urges."
- Yusuf al-Qaradhawi, an Egyptian Islamic theologian on the risks of female masturbation in a lecture for Qatar TV


And he was stoned to death later in the day for deigning to suggest that women have the capacity to learn.
 
2012-10-27 09:51:03 AM  
Btw, did Fuqua ever walk back his "kill the disobedient kids" tripe?
 
2012-10-27 09:56:03 AM  
Simple. The Islamic Fundamentalist tends to talk in a more literate manner as if quoting from the Quran, where as the Christian conservative jibbers it out like Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.
 
2012-10-27 10:02:37 AM  

smitty04: jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

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Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million


1. Hitler - not an atheist. He had special relationships with both Protestant and Catholic churches, to promote what he considered Aryan values. He also incorporated Germanic pagan iconography into Nazi aesthetics.

2. The other four - they made the state a religion where THEY were the gods. Cult of personality, ever hear of it?

3. Saying, "They did it too!" does not make your side less guilty.
 
2012-10-27 10:03:01 AM  
8/9. I got the first one wrong, assuming that Islamic fundamentalists wouldn't even consider divorce.
 
2012-10-27 10:04:00 AM  

Summoner101: intelligent comment below: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.


I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito claims can simultaneously cry about being controlled by such a small number of Semites past and present.

What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.

They do have a particular set of very different skills:

[www.iamboredr.com image 450x335]


disciplesofalbertoriveron.files.wordpress.com 

knows something about skills
 
2012-10-27 10:08:35 AM  
7/9, been saying there is no difference between the two for a while.
 
2012-10-27 10:11:07 AM  
 
2012-10-27 10:12:23 AM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-27 10:13:22 AM  
the ladies should prolly throw a bake-sale and buy one of these 

www.shangralafamilyfun.com 

/guys is stupid
//i is am guy
 
2012-10-27 10:16:12 AM  

iEatPennies: Had no fear:

[newsimg.bbc.co.uk image 203x190]


I cried so hard when she was killed. They always murder the good ones.
 
2012-10-27 10:19:05 AM  

smitty04: jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219] 
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million


I love a good, old fashioned Godwinning. Classic and simple.
 
2012-10-27 10:19:43 AM  
I often point out that Islam and Christianity are not very different, much to the annoyance of my Christian friends. But in the big scheme of things, if you've learned about a lot of religions, they are practicably the same.

If the only plants you know are Oak and Maple trees, you'll never believe me telling you about daisies, ferns, or maize.
 
2012-10-27 10:41:45 AM  
5/9. In other words, I failed. No surprise there, it's hard to tell the difference.
 
2012-10-27 10:45:56 AM  
Meh fundies are crazy. Who knew?
 
2012-10-27 10:47:51 AM  

maxheck: nmemkha:

Also, it was no different. A tiny few did leave well off lives at the expense of the rest. The ideology and the implementation were wrong, not just the implementation.

Class is an easy and pretty much wrong explanation. The guys who herded thousands into the countryside, who tortured, who pulled the triggers to put thousands into mass graves were the same damn dirt-poor rice farmers that they were butchering. We're going to have to agree to disagree here, I think. One thing I learned from speaking with Cambodians was that even now no one knows where the orders came from. It was always from "The Organization." It wasn't Pol Pot living in some palace. It was the local equivalent of the Elks club president or the village hetman. In other words, your class.


Whether the "class" is based on income disparity, race, ideological dogma, or sunspots does not change the relevant facts. Invariably, a small number of people wind up controlling the majority of the resources. This pattern has reoccurred in every system we've devised throughout history, from governance to organized religion.
 
2012-10-27 10:53:58 AM  
Both Christian Fundamentalists and Islamists are equally bad,
so let Islamists murder American Diplomats!
 
2012-10-27 10:59:26 AM  

bhcompy: KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or preeminent American statesman and philosopher Thomas Jefferson

/everyone is capable of saying stupid shiat


Thomas Jefferson was a racist dick. is this news? he raped his female slave (since she was his property, consent is off the table) and he was a nasty, vindictive politician who invented the concept of the modern smear campaign by secretly financing a libel filled newspaper campaign accusing george washington of royal pretensions (and paid for it by stealing from the same federal government he was opposed to.)

/oh and a hypocrit because he then bought the lousianna purchase, even though it was opposed to all of his politics before that
 
2012-10-27 11:08:21 AM  
potato/9

Religion is retarded.

/potato=8
 
2012-10-27 11:17:29 AM  

sendtodave: Which seems to conclude that Islamic fundamentalism is more aligned with RWA, while Christian conservatism is more aligned with SDO?


Possibly. It may be more about where their attitudes on women come from. Christian fundies tend to have some of the highest RWA scores in the west. High-SDO is uncorrelated with religiosity, but the double-high types may be associated with for the worst of fundamentalism.
 
2012-10-27 11:19:06 AM  

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?


Another day ends in Y so you have to blame the Jews for everything, as usual.



Blame? Which Jews?

And both Christianity and Islam are the bastard children of Judaism, aren't they?
 
2012-10-27 11:22:38 AM  
9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.
 
2012-10-27 11:23:48 AM  

NannyStatePark: You don't have to be religious to hate women who don't behave themselves the way you think they should, or to think your own ideology and culture superior. Ever seen a redneck or fattie thread around here?


Anecdote: the only man I've ever been close with who turned out to be a completely controlling, misogynistic, abusive asshole was a staunchly Atheist Native American.

/I tend to steer clear of zealots of any breed, only have passing anecdotes involving those
 
2012-10-27 11:24:14 AM  

SurfaceTension: I'm hung over. Can you translate?


There's two types of proto-fascist bastards -- the ones who think people should line up and march, and the ones who won't march behind anyone else. (The overlap think everyone should march behind them.) The follower type are prejudiced against groups they fear, the leader types are prejudiced against groups they scorn, and both are prejudiced against groups who disagree with them -- followers more than leaders.

See Altemeyer's book for some more details.
 
2012-10-27 11:29:38 AM  

maxheck: smitty04:

jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219]
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic fervently religious dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million 1.7 million

You just HAD to do it, didn't you?

Just because their god is The State rather than Yaweh or Allah or whatever, don't make the mistake that genocide can be accomplished without religion.

[i49.tinypic.com image 640x1188] 

Imagine if any one of these dictators had said "Yeah, believe whatever you want. I don't care." Do you think they'd have racked up quite the death toll?


Isn't that cute! You're trying to rewrite history by expanding the connotation of religion. Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists. They're all yours, find a better way to deal with it.
 
2012-10-27 11:29:59 AM  

intelligent comment below: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.


I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito



I find it interesting that your position is so pathetically weak that you feel compelled to lie out of sheer desperation. Wouldn't it be better to just keep quiet?


intelligent comment below: What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.


LOL!

I see SOMEONE didn't read the article, which was written by a Jewish woman, no less.
 
2012-10-27 11:31:37 AM  

thamike: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

Or whom?



Yeah, that too.
 
2012-10-27 11:48:48 AM  

chuggernaught: Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists.


Dictators tend to crush anyone who gets in their way. It doesn't mean they did it in the name of Atheism. Also Hitler never considered himself an atheist and associated it with Jewish materialism.
 
2012-10-27 11:54:14 AM  

smitty04: G.I.R.B.: /The "Social Conservatives" (Teahadists) scare me more than any one else in the world.

[blog.mlive.com image 453x300]
Just a parent trying to protect their child's future.


Unfortunately for her, the leadership of her political party thinks she should shut up, make a sammich, and stop popping out more and more babies. How exactly are you disproving the article with your posts?
 
2012-10-27 12:03:56 PM  
I got 7 of 9 correct. Generally the Islamist ones were slightly more intelligent. That's how I could tell.

MurphyMurphy: Want world peace?
Well, like Marley said, when the power of love overcomes the love of power, you will have it.


I like that.
 
2012-10-27 12:08:43 PM  

pion: Generally the Islamist ones were slightly more intelligent. That's how I could tell.


Oh snap.
 
2012-10-27 12:12:42 PM  

fluffy2097: 9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.


Um... No. Find me the most recent example of a woman shot in the face by a Christian just for wanting the right to attend school.

I'm waiting...
 
2012-10-27 12:41:35 PM  

coco ebert: Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men. Both versions are patriarchal, though, and necessitate controlling women.


Once upon a time, women were revered as amazingly powerful creatures because of their ability to "spontaneously generate" live human babies. But then someone figured out that only happened to women who'd had sex with a man, leading to a new belief that men were actually the creators of babies and women were merely the vessels for the seed. That's a pretty huge cultural shift toward patriarchy and the thinking behind it.
 
2012-10-27 12:51:51 PM  
chuggernaught:


Isn't that cute! You're trying to rewrite history by expanding the connotation of religion. Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists. They're all yours, find a better way to deal with it.

And you completely missed the point and went straight for the "no true scotsman" because you can't imagine millions of people worshiping a nebulous deity named "Juche" or "The Fatherland" or "Communism" rather than one named "Jehova." History would disagree with you on what constitutes a religion.

It's nice that you got in a "us vs. them" bit in there though. I do believe that was listed in my chart.
 
2012-10-27 01:13:58 PM  
5/9, but looking back at the quotes it becomes apparent that the Islamic Fundies are more poetic than the Christian Fundies. Maybe that's just a result of being translated.
 
2012-10-27 01:16:42 PM  

middleoftheday: log_jammin: jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.

that was my method as well.

That is so weird... I did the exact same thing. I couldn't begin to tell you why exactly, though.


Could be either translation, or a long literary tradition of poetry in the Middle East.
 
2012-10-27 01:22:28 PM  
8 out of 9. There all nuts but, I can tell a pistachio from a macadamia.
 
2012-10-27 02:03:42 PM  

chuggernaught: maxheck: smitty04:

jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219]
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic fervently religious dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million 1.7 million

You just HAD to do it, didn't you?

Just because their god is The State rather than Yaweh or Allah or whatever, don't make the mistake that genocide can be accomplished without religion.

[i49.tinypic.com image 640x1188] 

Imagine if any one of these dictators had said "Yeah, believe whatever you want. I don't care." Do you think they'd have racked up quite the death toll?

Isn't that cute! You're trying to rewrite history by expanding the connotation of religion. Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists. They're all yours, find a better way to deal with it.


As Bertrand Russell said in 1921:

There is, however, another aspect of Bolshevism from which I differ more fundamentally. Bolshevism is not merely a political doctrine; it is also a religion, with elaborate dogmas and inspired scriptures. When Lenin wishes to prove some proposition, he does so, if possible, by quoting texts from Marx and Engels. A full-fledged Communist is not merely a man who believes that land and capital should be held in common, and their produce distributed as nearly equally as possible. He is a man who entertains a number of elaborate and dogmatic beliefs-such as philosophic materialism, for example-which may be true, but are not, to a scientific temper, capable of being known to be true with any certainty. This habit, of militant certainty about objectively doubtful matters, is one from which, since the Renaissance, the world has been gradually emerging, into that temper of constructive and fruitful scepticism which constitutes the scientific outlook. I believe the scientific outlook to be immeasurably important to the human race. If a more just economic system were only attainable by closing men's minds against free inquiry, and plunging them back into the intellectual prison of the middle ages, I should consider the price too high. The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism

If you think that non religious freethinkers want anything to do with that, you cannot be too bright.
 
2012-10-27 02:09:17 PM  
It is only a matter of time until the Christians actually embrace Muslims, "because at least they believe in God". As more and more people decide that they either don't believe in God or religion simply isn't worth it, the Christians will have to expand their net to keep being a force in American culture.

Just as they are now accepting Mormons and decided years ago to throw their political weight in with the Catholics, a few years from now they age going to look for more allies.

I can't wait till they have to explain to their church members that they were wrong all this time about Islam
 
2012-10-27 02:17:17 PM  

Mr. Breeze: fluffy2097: 9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.

Um... No. Find me the most recent example of a woman shot in the face by a Christian just for wanting the right to attend school.

I'm waiting...


You know how I know you didn't RTFA?

I'll shut you down anyways though. Look at all these religious folks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States
 
2012-10-27 02:19:55 PM  
Women voting for social conservatives should have their pulses checked.
 
2012-10-27 02:22:12 PM  

KrispyKritter: if you eliminate religious beliefs and practices on the entire planet do you think you will be left with a world filled with people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent?

having a planet of people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent seems like a worthwhile goal. maybe all you have to do is kill everyone who has religious beliefs and practices then all will be bliss.


Ha ha ha...you're funny.

/People are assholes.
 
2012-10-27 02:28:37 PM  

verbaltoxin: 1. Hitler - not an atheist. He had special relationships with both Protestant and Catholic churches, to promote what he considered Aryan values. He also incorporated Germanic pagan iconography into Nazi aesthetics.

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." --Hitler, Mein Kampf


As do all atheists.
 
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