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2012-10-26 11:25:14 PM
Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.
 
2012-10-26 11:32:25 PM
There's a difference?
 
2012-10-26 11:35:09 PM

Tarkus: There's a difference?


Hats
 
2012-10-26 11:44:26 PM
I got 5 out of 9. Goddammitsomuch. I had to admit I hoped a little bit that this one would turn out to be from some obscure jackass brushing away flies while talking into a VHS camcorder, 10 time zones away from me. Religion is like anal sex: Feel free to do it all you want with a consenting partner. In private, preferably But don't do it in front of me, don't ask me to pay for your crisco, and for jesusgoddamchrist's sake, don't try and do it TO me, idiot.

"A child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly."
- Charlie Fuqua, Republican candidate for Arkansas State House of Representatives, in his book God's Law: The Only Political Solution


F**k you, Charlie. I'm sorry your dad did bad things to you, but you don't have to take it out on your own children for f**king sake. Schmuck.
 
2012-10-26 11:56:45 PM
Ha ha! I got 4/9 correct.

I guess I really can't tell.

kxs401: Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.


Exonmoble?
 
2012-10-27 12:02:50 AM
I didn't meant to downvote this thread. Someone undo that for me, thanks.
 
2012-10-27 12:05:42 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats


It's always hats
 
2012-10-27 12:13:06 AM

impaler: It's always hats


Or beards. I'd make a shiatty terrorist. I can't grow a beard to save my life.

*shakes tiny fist at Mohawk Indian great-great grandmother*
 
2012-10-27 12:16:12 AM
6/9. Pesky nuance gets you.
 
2012-10-27 12:17:02 AM
8/9. I mistakenly thought the line from Yusuf al-Qaradhawi was too liberal for an Islamic Fundamentalist.
 
2012-10-27 12:17:14 AM
6 of 9.

Some scary stuff.
 
2012-10-27 12:27:46 AM
Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men. Both versions are patriarchal, though, and necessitate controlling women.
 
2012-10-27 12:28:34 AM
I missed two.
 
2012-10-27 12:33:35 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7403584/80295073#c80295073" target="_blank">violentsalvation</a>:</b> <i>I didn't meant to downvote this thread. Someone undo that for me, thanks.</i>

Done.

<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7403584/80295185#c80295185" target="_blank">SilentStrider</a>:</b> <i>6 of 9.

Some scary stuff.</i>

Indeed. I've been asking forever, though, why anyone thinks Christian fundamentalists are any different from the Islamists. I've never gotten an answer other than "Because WE worship the one TRUE God!"
 
2012-10-27 12:40:25 AM
Oh come on, this is impossible.
 
2012-10-27 12:42:13 AM
Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?
 
2012-10-27 12:48:49 AM

markie_farkie: impaler: It's always hats

Or beards. I'd make a shiatty terrorist. I can't grow a beard to save my life.

*shakes tiny fist at Mohawk Indian great-great grandmother*



You can just go to a costume store and buy one you can glue on with spirit gum. Problem solved. You'll be out blowing up busloads of innocent civilians in no time.
 
2012-10-27 12:50:14 AM
It's almost like organized religions of all flavors don't want to acknowledge that the very reason we exist is because we emerged from a female womb, and that perpetuation of life is more profound than anything else we could dream up.
 
2012-10-27 12:52:04 AM

coco ebert: Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men.


Particularly interesting once emphasis is added. Contrast:

Hierarchical Linear Modelling indicated that attitudes towards a 'dangerous' groups domain was significantly related only with RWA, attitudes toward a second 'derogated' groups domain was related only to SDO, and attitudes toward a third, 'dissident' groups, domain was significantly related to both, but powerfully with RWA and weakly with SDO. -- (doi:10.1002/per.614)
 
2012-10-27 12:53:04 AM

Fark Me To Tears: innocent


I seriously doubt they are all innocent. I mean, they're on a farking BUS for chrissake. That has to automatically discount their innocence by a significant amount.
 
2012-10-27 12:55:18 AM

Makh: Ha ha! I got 4/9 correct.

I guess I really can't tell.



I got the same score. I was startled by some of the ones I got wrong. I guess I just don't know my misogynistic religious zealots as well as I should.
 
2012-10-27 01:00:37 AM
i.imgur.com

/oblig
 
2012-10-27 01:16:11 AM
Got this one wrong:

"Woman possesses the weapon of seduction and temptation."

If I hadn't heard most of those quotes before, a coin-toss would have been the most appropriate method of choosing.
 
2012-10-27 01:18:39 AM
They can't even recognize themselves in the mirror though. This is why it amuses the hell out of me to watch American social conservatives flip the hell out about the election of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. "It is an outrage that such a conservative, fundamentalist religious person could be elected to the presidency where he may wish to impose his personal, conservative religious beliefs on his own people!" Indeed.

An American religious fundamentalist has a hell of a lot in common with an Iranian religious fundamentalist. You just have to change the names of some of the magical characters and the name of the magic books. Once that's done, they probably have more in common with each other than either of them do with the majority of the rest of Western Civilization. Yet, who is on the radar of American religious conservatives right now as the biggest threat to Western Civilization and humanity (well, maybe after Obama and Pelosi)?
 
2012-10-27 01:21:35 AM
I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.
 
2012-10-27 01:28:14 AM

jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.


that was my method as well.
 
2012-10-27 01:30:05 AM

jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.


Bravo.
 
2012-10-27 01:37:29 AM
1/9
 
2012-10-27 01:44:33 AM

log_jammin: jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.

that was my method as well.


Good point. I should have gone with that strategy. I was thinking more in terms of the media stereotypes when I made my selections. Apparently, these groups blend together better than I had given them credit for. My bad.
 
2012-10-27 01:49:53 AM
I got 8 out of 9.

coco ebert:
Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men. Both versions are patriarchal, though, and necessitate controlling women.

Depending on what era of Muslim we're are talking about. One of the things that I heard from one of their stories, is that Women are considered more pure than men Morally. A man is expected to be weak, women are supposed to know better. They are supposed to be hid away like treasure.

The problem, however, is that we haven't been THAT different from them even 40 years ago. Women were vastly restricted in jobs. Expected to stay home and take care of their children.
 
2012-10-27 01:52:29 AM

jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.


Actually, the ones that seem to want to "protect" women and children were the ones I knew Islamic.

Big clue is in the Islamic faith, women can get a divorce, if the husband is terrible. On the other hand, a man can gain a wife via rape.-Hence why men insist that women they stay indoors...because the male men are ultimately responsible for their women safety/purity.
 
2012-10-27 02:31:04 AM

log_jammin: jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.

that was my method as well.


I've missed you in these wee hours. Glad to see you again.

/7/10, but it really could have gone either way
 
2012-10-27 02:34:50 AM
7 of 9, rather
 
2012-10-27 02:48:55 AM

dickfreckle: 7 of 9, rather


?

www.startreklibrary.com
 
2012-10-27 02:54:58 AM
5/9

A couple were pretty easy because of verbiage. The rest, not so much.

That said,

Tarkus: There's a difference?

 
2012-10-27 03:00:29 AM
why quibble?

Taleban is relevant noun

paste your desired adjective in front

christian
muslim
texan
baptist

/fundamentalist covers the lot
 
2012-10-27 03:05:37 AM
7/9.

Would have been 8/9. It seemed like the one by Charlie Fuqua sounded more western, but I thought at least one of them had to be a surprise, so I went with the other. Nope.

The only other I guessed wrong on was the last one by Syed Ghaisuddin which sounded more western too.
 
2012-10-27 03:07:56 AM
Wow, just wow.
As a woman, what did I ever do to them? Why can't bygones be bygones?
 
2012-10-27 03:08:55 AM
You don't have to be religious to hate women who don't behave themselves the way you think they should, or to think your own ideology and culture superior. Ever seen a redneck or fattie thread around here?
 
2012-10-27 03:15:25 AM

MissyLissy: Wow, just wow.
As a woman, what did I ever do to them? Why can't bygones be bygones?


Bewitched words from a cunning temptress. Lucifer himself would have you believe he is without sin when alas he is the cause of it.
 
2012-10-27 03:19:02 AM
damn, 6 out of nine.

If this was graded straight, I'd get a D.
 
2012-10-27 03:21:38 AM

MayoSlather: MissyLissy: Wow, just wow.
As a woman, what did I ever do to them? Why can't bygones be bygones?

Bewitched words from a cunning temptress. Lucifer himself would have you believe he is without sin when alas he is the cause of it.


Uh, thank you for calling me a cunning temptress. Might be the first time I've ever had the privilege.:) And wasn't Lucifer a guy angel...so doesn't that negate something or other.
 
2012-10-27 03:24:50 AM

kxs401: Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.


What makes you think they haven't?
 
2012-10-27 03:25:03 AM
Damn it, I was hoping to ace it.
6 out of 9. I should have done better.

I look forward to more holy wars. I think Islam will win Europe, but Christianity will be hard to dethrone in America.
 
2012-10-27 03:25:39 AM

Makh: Ha ha! I got 4/9 correct.

I guess I really can't tell.

kxs401: Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.

Exonmoble?


I got 4/9 also, and I'm married to a muslim woman, I thought I'd have an advantage...
 
2012-10-27 03:27:43 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Damn it, I was hoping to ace it.
6 out of 9. I should have done better.

I look forward to more holy wars. I think Islam will win Europe, but Christianity will be hard to dethrone in America.


Don't be hard on yourself. It was a very difficult test. It makes me wonder if this is what the Federalist papers were warning about Factions caring about their own interests over the welfare of others.
 
2012-10-27 03:29:00 AM
This game wasn't even fun back in the Twelph Century.
I know; let's do it again. It will definitely work this time!

Vote Mitt: Or Else
 
2012-10-27 03:29:36 AM
6 out of 9. Not much difference between the two, but then we already knew that.

Semi-relevant pic:

i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-27 03:34:18 AM

log_jammin: jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.

that was my method as well.


That is so weird... I did the exact same thing. I couldn't begin to tell you why exactly, though.
 
2012-10-27 03:35:19 AM

MissyLissy: MayoSlather: MissyLissy: Wow, just wow.
As a woman, what did I ever do to them? Why can't bygones be bygones?

Bewitched words from a cunning temptress. Lucifer himself would have you believe he is without sin when alas he is the cause of it.

Uh, thank you for calling me a cunning temptress. Might be the first time I've ever had the privilege.:) And wasn't Lucifer a guy angel...so doesn't that negate something or other.


No, because....faith
 
ecl
2012-10-27 03:41:54 AM
6/9
Both sides are bad. So vote Republican.
 
2012-10-27 03:42:46 AM
8/9. Do I know my narrow-minded, hate-infused, power-hungry, control-freaky, fear-laden, bile-spewing misogynists or what?
 
2012-10-27 03:45:29 AM
7/9, but I have to admit, the two I missed were the two I hadn't seen quoted someplace else already.
 
2012-10-27 03:52:46 AM
4/9

Scary part?

I clicked randomly.
 
2012-10-27 03:54:36 AM

abb3w: coco ebert: Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men.

Particularly interesting once emphasis is added. Contrast:

Hierarchical Linear Modelling indicated that attitudes towards a 'dangerous' groups domain was significantly related only with RWA, attitudes toward a second 'derogated' groups domain was related only to SDO, and attitudes toward a third, 'dissident' groups, domain was significantly related to both, but powerfully with RWA and weakly with SDO. -- (doi:10.1002/per.614)


That came to my mind. From wikipedia:

RWA beliefs are activated by social threat or threatening outgroups
SDO beliefs are activated by competition and intergroup inequalities in status and power
RWA is a stronger predictor of prejudice when the outgroup is threatening
When group status is unstable, SDO is associated with higher ingroup bias than when group status is stable


Which seems to conclude that Islamic fundamentalism is more aligned with RWA, while Christian conservatism is more aligned with SDO?

This would make sense: Islamic fundamentalism being more about rigid moralism, belief in authoritarian leaders, and defending against despised outgroups, while christian conservatism is more about maintaining the stability of social hierarchies (with white men at the top, of course) by exploiting intergroup biases.
 
2012-10-27 04:02:03 AM
Eight of nine. If they were afraid of women it was Islamic. If they hated women it was Christian.
 
2012-10-27 04:02:47 AM
Comparing [blacks] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.

KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or preeminent American statesman and philosopher Thomas Jefferson

/everyone is capable of saying stupid shiat
 
2012-10-27 04:08:54 AM

bhcompy: Comparing [blacks] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.

KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or preeminent American statesman and philosopher Thomas Jefferson

/everyone is capable of saying stupid shiat


yet you had to go back over 200 years to make your point.
 
2012-10-27 04:19:03 AM
Holy shiat i got an 8 out of 9. Scary.
 
2012-10-27 04:20:03 AM
8/9, missing just the last one. But I did read this thread first, so I may have gotten a bit of forewarning. Course, I also recognized some of the quotes.
 
2012-10-27 04:21:49 AM

Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.
 
2012-10-27 04:23:15 AM
I do think the Islam quotes actually were MORE respectful of women than the American Fundie ones. They at least consider women strong, dangerous, and worthy of protection, if not equality.
 
2012-10-27 04:24:45 AM
9/0 , mine blew up.
 
2012-10-27 04:31:37 AM
7/9. Not that hard. Islamic fundamentalists tend to blame women for being sexy these days.
 
2012-10-27 04:33:18 AM
Got 9 out of 9. Sigh.

I've been beating my head against a wall for at least 10 years now trying to show some Christians how they're the EXACT same as the people they hate (which they'll never admit. They do it, but they won't call it hate). It's two sides of the same coin. These same people cannot grasp that you can't have democracy and theocracy at the same time.

/Born again evangelical Christian since 1981
 
2012-10-27 04:36:04 AM
if you eliminate religious beliefs and practices on the entire planet do you think you will be left with a world filled with people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent?

having a planet of people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent seems like a worthwhile goal. maybe all you have to do is kill everyone who has religious beliefs and practices then all will be bliss.
 
2012-10-27 04:36:55 AM

intelligent comment below: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.


I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito claims can simultaneously cry about being controlled by such a small number of Semites past and present.

What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.


They do have a particular set of very different skills:

www.iamboredr.com
 
2012-10-27 04:44:02 AM

Alphax: I do think the Islam quotes actually were MORE respectful of women than the American Fundie ones. They at least consider women strong, dangerous, and worthy of protection, if not equality.


In the Islamic society, those in power stay there by maintaining a status quo that depends on keeping women downtrodden.

Republicans only hold power over half of America. Islamic leaders usually have control of much more than half, and they would like to keep it that way.

They aren't simply dismissive as an ignorant American misogynist might be.. they recognize women as a threat to their power and treat it accordingly. With cautious respect and understanding for their potential.
 
2012-10-27 04:46:07 AM

Alphax: I do think the Islam quotes actually were MORE respectful of women than the American Fundie ones


You're confusing respect with fear.
Muslim sure are very thorough. For example they can teach you how to properly beat the shiat out of your wife according to Islam.
 
2012-10-27 04:52:04 AM

iEatPennies: Christians how they're the EXACT same as the people they hate (which they'll never admit. They do it, but they won't call it hate). It's two sides of the same coin.


I wouldn't say they're exactly the same.

Social conservatives are trying to maintain a social order where women are subservient (through ridicule and derision), while radical Islamists are still working to popularize such a social order (through claims of moral superiority to "Western" notions of gender equality, and through fear).

Kinda implies that in the names, actually, "conservative" versus "radical."

Anyway, this current strain of Islamic fundamentalism isn't very old, maybe 60 years? And it's reactionary.
 
2012-10-27 04:53:00 AM
Had no fear:

newsimg.bbc.co.uk
 
2012-10-27 04:58:17 AM

intelligent comment below: bhcompy: Comparing [blacks] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.

KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or preeminent American statesman and philosopher Thomas Jefferson

/everyone is capable of saying stupid shiat


Back then they had no science telling them all the races were equal in everything but skin pigment

So what's your excuse now?


Err, well, science doesn't tell us that today, either, since science(that is biological anthropology) says there aren't any races
 
2012-10-27 04:58:38 AM
7 of 9.

/please post more pics of her
 
2012-10-27 05:00:47 AM

MurphyMurphy: In the Islamic society, those in power stay there by maintaining a status quo that depends on keeping women downtrodden.


I would say that it's the opposite. We have hundreds of years of history of a "white guy is the boss" status quo to harken back to. The cowboy hero saves the little lady in every action flick.

The middle east used to be more progressive, until guys like Qutb came along and said that "Western" progressiveness went against Sharia, and thus Islam, so bring out the burqas.
 
2012-10-27 05:03:10 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope:
Indeed. I've been asking forever, though, why anyone thinks Christian fundamentalists are any different from the Islamists. I've never gotten an answer other than "Because WE worship the one TRUE God!"


I love to point out when my relatives go full Islamophobe on me that Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the same God: The God of Abraham.
 
2012-10-27 05:07:34 AM

KrispyKritter: if you eliminate religious beliefs and practices on the entire planet do you think you will be left with a world filled with people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent?

having a planet of people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent seems like a worthwhile goal. maybe all you have to do is kill everyone who has religious beliefs and practices then all will be bliss.


Well since the majority of the planet is religious, it easier just to kill the non-believers.
 
2012-10-27 05:20:35 AM
markie_farkie:

impaler: It's always hats

Or beards. I'd make a shiatty terrorist. I can't grow a beard to save my life.

*shakes tiny fist at Mohawk Indian great-great grandmother*


If clothes and beards make the man, then uh oh... I had the ZZ-Topp / Ogden Nash beard in my high-school and college years. Then I found out later when my beard was well-streaked with white that I can totally rock a dashiki.

Strangely, I have never had any murderous urges towards those evil harlots with XX chromosomes.
 
2012-10-27 05:24:40 AM

Summoner101: intelligent comment below: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.


I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito claims can simultaneously cry about being controlled by such a small number of Semites past and present.

What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.

They do have a particular set of very different skills:

[www.iamboredr.com image 450x335]


Is that a reversed "monkey steals a peach" stance?
 
2012-10-27 05:24:49 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
sdbv.missouristate.edu
www.allfordmustangs.com
 
2012-10-27 05:31:26 AM

iEatPennies: Got 9 out of 9. Sigh.

I've been beating my head against a wall for at least 10 years now trying to show some Christians how they're the EXACT same as the people they hate (which they'll never admit. They do it, but they won't call it hate). It's two sides of the same coin. These same people cannot grasp that you can't have democracy and theocracy at the same time.

/Born again evangelical Christian since 1981


Wait, if they were EXACTLY the same, you wouldnt have been able to tell them apart in the quiz, no?

(maybe its YOU)
 
2012-10-27 05:47:51 AM

I sound fat: iEatPennies: Got 9 out of 9. Sigh.

I've been beating my head against a wall for at least 10 years now trying to show some Christians how they're the EXACT same as the people they hate (which they'll never admit. They do it, but they won't call it hate). It's two sides of the same coin. These same people cannot grasp that you can't have democracy and theocracy at the same time.

/Born again evangelical Christian since 1981

Wait, if they were EXACTLY the same, you wouldnt have been able to tell them apart in the quiz, no?

(maybe its YOU)


Maybe what is him?

That doesn't even make sense.
 
2012-10-27 05:57:22 AM

iEatPennies: I've been beating my head against a wall for at least 10 years now trying to show some Christians how they're the EXACT same as the people they hate (which they'll never admit. They do it, but they won't call it hate). It's two sides of the same coin. These same people cannot grasp that you can't have democracy and theocracy at the same time.


Actually, some of the uber-right wants to do away with democracy. They say you can't have democracy and liberty at the same time. (But they don't see a conflict between theocracy and liberty, go figure.)

/Born again evangelical Christian since 1981

Why are you siding with them? If you dislike theocracy, shouldn't you become one of the "liberal Christians" that evangelicals despise?
 
2012-10-27 06:00:25 AM

I sound fat: Wait, if they were EXACTLY the same, you wouldnt have been able to tell them apart in the quiz, no?


Because every culture in the world speaks exactly the same. every phrase translated into english will always sound exactly like it came from an speaker of American English.

Or maybe...It's YOU!!!
 
2012-10-27 06:02:25 AM

pciszek: Why are you siding with them? If you dislike theocracy, shouldn't you become one of the "liberal Christians" that evangelicals despise?


How in the world is he siding with them if he's trying to point out their hypocrisy to them?
 
2012-10-27 06:05:36 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Eight of nine. If they were afraid of women it was Islamic. If they hated women it was Christian.


"It is forbidden for a woman to serve as member of Knesset, it's not modest," the rabbi said. "Public exposure contradicts the Jewish principle that 'all the glory of the daughter of a king is internal,'" Aviner added in comments first published on the Kipa website. Link
 
2012-10-27 06:06:59 AM

MisterTweak: "A child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly."
- Charlie Fuqua, Republican candidate for Arkansas State House of Representatives, in his book God's Law: The Only Political Solution


Hey Charlie, Someone has some news FOR YOU.
Jesus Christ: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6
 
2012-10-27 06:10:42 AM

G.I.R.B.: 4/9

Scary part?

I clicked randomly.


Somebody doesn't know how probabilities work.

Incidentally, I got the same score. Some of those really fooled me.
 
2012-10-27 06:13:38 AM

KrispyKritter: if you eliminate religious beliefs and practices on the entire planet do you think you will be left with a world filled with people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent?


No, but at least it would be a good start. No one would bury his daughter up to her shoulders and stone her to death, throw acid on girls on their way to school, or assassinate doctors. No one would be trying to outlaw birth control, or care if gays wanted to get married.
 
2012-10-27 06:16:18 AM
9/9
 
2012-10-27 06:17:16 AM

pciszek: No, but at least it would be a good start. No one would bury his daughter up to her shoulders and stone her to death, throw acid on girls on their way to school, or assassinate doctors. No one would be trying to outlaw birth control, or care if gays wanted to get married.


If you actually had the understanding you were wishing for, you wouldn't blame all religious for the non-religious acts of extremists.
 
2012-10-27 06:18:04 AM

abb3w: coco ebert: Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men.

Particularly interesting once emphasis is added. Contrast:

Hierarchical Linear Modelling indicated that attitudes towards a 'dangerous' groups domain was significantly related only with RWA, attitudes toward a second 'derogated' groups domain was related only to SDO, and attitudes toward a third, 'dissident' groups, domain was significantly related to both, but powerfully with RWA and weakly with SDO. -- (doi:10.1002/per.614)


I'm hung over. Can you translate?
 
2012-10-27 06:25:32 AM

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I am Dyslexic of Brog. Your ass will be laminated.


/obligatory
 
2012-10-27 06:25:32 AM

Kurmudgeon: pciszek: No, but at least it would be a good start. No one would bury his daughter up to her shoulders and stone her to death, throw acid on girls on their way to school, or assassinate doctors. No one would be trying to outlaw birth control, or care if gays wanted to get married.

If you actually had the understanding you were wishing for, you wouldn't blame all religious for the non-religious acts of extremists.


He did what?
 
2012-10-27 06:33:02 AM

pciszek: KrispyKritter: if you eliminate religious beliefs and practices on the entire planet do you think you will be left with a world filled with people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent?

No, but at least it would be a good start. No one would bury his daughter up to her shoulders and stone her to death, throw acid on girls on their way to school, or assassinate doctors. No one would be trying to outlaw birth control, or care if gays wanted to get married.


I hate religious extremists as much as the next guy, but I have to say I'm not sure that statement would hold true.

Knowing our species, I think we are just as likely to come up with new reasons to inflict pain and suffering on others as we are to be peaceful and happy without religion.

I'm agnostic. I just don't know. Not sure I want to know. I can barely understand a believer. I can't on my life imagine what goes on in a fundamentalist's or extremist's head.

But...

I'm also not sold on the idea that religion has caused net evil over good in the world. It is much easier to attribute and quantify negative acts done in the name of religion that it is to quantify the goodness and inspiration that has come out of it. Not to mention the evil acts always stand out more and get more attention.

Religion seems (to me anyways) to be the conduit through which man funnels his will. But it's human will that is the root of the problem.
Atheist movements have also displayed the ability to squelch human compassion in the presence of an overriding ethos.

Want world peace?
Well, like Marley said, when the power of love overcomes the love of power, you will have it.
 
2012-10-27 06:38:06 AM

Tarkus: There's a difference?


Yes. Islamic fundamentalists are powerless over here.
 
2012-10-27 06:41:25 AM

Alphax: He did what?


He blamed all religious for the crimes you have listed in pcizek's post.
If nothing else, it shows the dangers of blaming whole groups for the actions of invidiudals. The individuals hide within the group while the innocent are often punished instead. Then when the innocent are punished, others of their group get militant and the cycle continues.
/wash rinse repeat
.
 
2012-10-27 06:42:47 AM

MurphyMurphy: I hate religious extremists as much as the next guy, but I have to say I'm not sure that statement would hold true.

Knowing our species, I think we are just as likely to come up with new reasons to inflict pain and suffering on others as we are to be peaceful and happy without religion.


I think so too. Many kinds of ideologies, religious or not, have been used for great evil. I'd say the problem with religion is not religion an sich, but mass religion.
 
2012-10-27 06:44:49 AM

Kurmudgeon: Alphax: He did what?

He blamed all religious for the crimes you have listed in pcizek's post.
If nothing else, it shows the dangers of blaming whole groups for the actions of invidiudals. The individuals hide within the group while the innocent are often punished instead. Then when the innocent are punished, others of their group get militant and the cycle continues.
/wash rinse repeat
.


I'm still confused by calling those crimes 'non-religious acts'.
 
2012-10-27 06:45:55 AM

bhcompy: intelligent comment below: bhcompy: Comparing [blacks] by their faculties of memory, reason, and imagination, it appears to me, that in memory they are equal to the whites; in reason much inferior, as I think one could scarcely be found capable of tracing and comprehending the investigations of Euclid; and that in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous.

KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or preeminent American statesman and philosopher Thomas Jefferson

/everyone is capable of saying stupid shiat


Back then they had no science telling them all the races were equal in everything but skin pigment

So what's your excuse now?

Err, well, science doesn't tell us that today, either, since science(that is biological anthropology) says there aren't any races


You just said the same thing. Equal, equivalent, no fundamental distinction other than skin pigment, no meaningful biological (only social/cultural) differences by race...

Anyway, 200 year old quotes aren't doing you any favors. Why are you defending religious bigotry?
 
2012-10-27 06:47:36 AM

MurphyMurphy: pciszek: KrispyKritter: if you eliminate religious beliefs and practices on the entire planet do you think you will be left with a world filled with people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent?

No, but at least it would be a good start. No one would bury his daughter up to her shoulders and stone her to death, throw acid on girls on their way to school, or assassinate doctors. No one would be trying to outlaw birth control, or care if gays wanted to get married.

I hate religious extremists as much as the next guy, but I have to say I'm not sure that statement would hold true.

Knowing our species, I think we are just as likely to come up with new reasons to inflict pain and suffering on others as we are to be peaceful and happy without religion.

I'm agnostic. I just don't know. Not sure I want to know. I can barely understand a believer. I can't on my life imagine what goes on in a fundamentalist's or extremist's head.

But...

I'm also not sold on the idea that religion has caused net evil over good in the world. It is much easier to attribute and quantify negative acts done in the name of religion that it is to quantify the goodness and inspiration that has come out of it. Not to mention the evil acts always stand out more and get more attention.

Religion seems (to me anyways) to be the conduit through which man funnels his will. But it's human will that is the root of the problem.
Atheist movements have also displayed the ability to squelch human compassion in the presence of an overriding ethos.

Want world peace?
Well, like Marley said, when the power of love overcomes the love of power, you will have it.


All human systems eventually fail due to the failings of the human condition. We have the ability to create a world where everyone has a place to live and enough to eat, but not the will. We invariably let a tiny few of the most selfish and sociopathic among us to sequester the majority of the resources/wealth and leave everyone else to squabble over the crumbs. Maybe its natural for us to suffer in the service of our "betters".
 
2012-10-27 06:47:59 AM

Kurmudgeon: Alphax: He did what?

He blamed all religious for the crimes you have listed in pcizek's post.
If nothing else, it shows the dangers of blaming whole groups for the actions of invidiudals. The individuals hide within the group while the innocent are often punished instead. Then when the innocent are punished, others of their group get militant and the cycle continues.
/wash rinse repeat
.


Hiding like the religious leaders and politicians from TFA?
 
2012-10-27 06:55:43 AM

WorldCitizen: An American religious fundamentalist has a hell of a lot in common with an Iranian religious fundamentalist.


With the ( rather odd ) exception of the Fundie near-worship of the State of Israel, I would agree with you. Actually, I wonder how long that will last? (given how the history between Christians and Jews has been in the last 1000 years...)
 
2012-10-27 07:12:11 AM

log_jammin: pciszek: Why are you siding with them? If you dislike theocracy, shouldn't you become one of the "liberal Christians" that evangelicals despise?

How in the world is he siding with them if he's trying to point out their hypocrisy to them?


Self-identifying as an evangelical Christian while opposing the evangelicals' theocratic agenda makes as much sense as a gay organization endorsing Mitt Romney for president.  Link
 
2012-10-27 07:13:14 AM
I was raised to not say a word if I cant say anything nice but... all of these people should be destroyed.

/not religious in the least
//kiss my ass fundies
 
2012-10-27 07:13:21 AM
nmemkha:

All human systems eventually fail due to the failings of the human condition. We have the ability to create a world where everyone has a place to live and enough to eat, but not the will. We invariably let a tiny few of the most selfish and sociopathic among us to sequester the majority of the resources/wealth and leave everyone else to squabble over the crumbs. Maybe its natural for us to suffer in the service of our "betters".

If you want to be truly depressed, know that we can fark up swinging the other way as well. I just got back from visiting Cambodia, and I'm still sorta wound up on the topic, but the Khmer Rouge couldn't make everyone rich, and powerful, but they sure as hell could make everyone was a dirt-poor farmer. And so first they killed the rich, and then they killed the educated, and then they killed anyone associated with the above, and by the time it finally ended, you could denounce *anyone* to The Organization.

But hey, you didn't have to suffer in the service of one's "betters," as they had been buried in mass graves.

Not even going to start in on Myanmar tonight, but yeah, "re-education camps" still exist.
 
2012-10-27 07:18:14 AM

pciszek: Self-identifying as an evangelical Christian while opposing the evangelicals' theocratic agenda makes as much sense as a gay organization endorsing Mitt Romney for president. Link


No. not the same thing at all. A person can be religious and still understand why hypocrisy is bad, and that theocracies cannot be a democracy.
 
2012-10-27 07:24:33 AM

maxheck: [Cambodia] But hey, you didn't have to suffer in the service of one's "betters," as they had been buried in mass graves.


You most certainly did suffer in service of your "betters", unless you were one of those in the mass graves.

/Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
 
2012-10-27 07:28:30 AM

log_jammin: No. not the same thing at all. A person can be religious and still understand why hypocrisy is bad, and that theocracies cannot be a democracy.


Maybe, so long as they aren't one of the batshiat crazy flavors of religious. Hence my statement that someone who opposed the evangelicals' agenda but insisted on self-identifying as a Christian would have to be one of the so-called "liberal Christians" that the evangelicals despise. "Liberal Christian" doesn't necessarily refer to someone who is politically liberal, but is a label that the self-proclaimed "Real Christians" apply to any Christian who believes that the universe is more than 10,000 years old, or that the US Constitution does not establish the US as a Christian Nation, or that Muslims have as much right to build mosques as Christians have to build churches, etc.
 
2012-10-27 07:30:52 AM
Lee Jackson Beauregard:

maxheck: [Cambodia] But hey, you didn't have to suffer in the service of one's "betters," as they had been buried in mass graves.

You most certainly did suffer in service of your "betters", unless you were one of those in the mass graves.

/Meet the new boss, same as the old boss


You may be missing the point. In trying to make sure no one labored under their "betters" something like a third of a country was mass-murdered. The French revolution and their Egalite and Dr. Guillotine had nothing on this. And it was all through sophomoric idealism given power.
 
2012-10-27 07:32:39 AM
Can we just agree both are bad, and need to be eradicated from the face of the earth?

/fundamentalism of any flavor causes far more damage than the impetus they crusade against.
 
2012-10-27 07:34:34 AM

jake_lex: The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.


Actually it makes sense, while any idiot can pick up a Bible and preach, the expectation in Islam is that you go to school before you start spouting off and the schooling is a bit more comprehensive than what passes for schooling for many Bible thumper types.

pciszek: Self-identifying as an evangelical Christian while opposing the evangelicals' theocratic agenda makes as much sense as a gay organization endorsing Mitt Romney for president. Link


Actually the idea that evangelicals are hyper conservative is actually a recent development. Go back 60 years ago, even 50 years ago, and there were many people who identified as evangelical who were among the most liberal Christians around. The movement of evangelicals from being all over the map to being varying flavors of conservative is one of the more overlooked events in recent American history. Likewise the change among Baptists, from pretty broadly spread out to conservative and more conservative is another one. Though it's a little easier to get since a lot of it has to do with the Southern Baptist Convention and its changes during the 50s and 60s and after. Though that doesn't explain it all either, at least you can start there.
 
2012-10-27 07:34:46 AM

pciszek: log_jammin: No. not the same thing at all. A person can be religious and still understand why hypocrisy is bad, and that theocracies cannot be a democracy.

Maybe, so long as they aren't one of the batshiat crazy flavors of religious. Hence my statement that someone who opposed the evangelicals' agenda but insisted on self-identifying as a Christian would have to be one of the so-called "liberal Christians" that the evangelicals despise. "Liberal Christian" doesn't necessarily refer to someone who is politically liberal, but is a label that the self-proclaimed "Real Christians" apply to any Christian who believes that the universe is more than 10,000 years old, or that the US Constitution does not establish the US as a Christian Nation, or that Muslims have as much right to build mosques as Christians have to build churches, etc.


You're just bickering over a label. The important thing is someone that someone is actively pointing out bullshiat in a church somewhere, when they see bullshiat. and that's a good thing no matter what the person calls themselves.
 
2012-10-27 07:39:15 AM

MrSplifferton: Makh: Ha ha! I got 4/9 correct.

I guess I really can't tell.

kxs401: Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.

Exonmoble?

I got 4/9 also, and I'm married to a muslim woman, I thought I'd have an advantage...


I got 6/9 and my ex-husband is Muslim. And just for the record, my ex-husband never tried to indoctrinate me nor I him. I did not have to walk behind him or get his permission to leave the house. I cooked pork (mmmmmm....bacon) but he never ate it. I had dogs and the dogs were not allowered to jump on him (he had to be clean to pray). I could do whatever I wanted and I never needed his permission. The key was respect and understanding. However, I am not naive enough to think that if we were in a different country that the case would have been different. The rules of the land would prevail (if we had moved to Saudi Arabia or something).
 
2012-10-27 07:41:55 AM
BTW there are liberal Baptists still around.

What a liberal Baptist may look like

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-27 07:46:47 AM
Lee Jackson Beauregard:

maxheck: [Cambodia] But hey, you didn't have to suffer in the service of one's "betters," as they had been buried in mass graves.

You most certainly did suffer in service of your "betters", unless you were one of those in the mass graves.

/Meet the new boss, same as the old boss


Maybe I should explain better.

Your "betters" in terms of who had power over your being tortured or killed was pretty much *anyone.* That pretty girl who wouldn't have sex with you? Denounce her. The guy who got a better job than you? Denounce him. And they could do the same to you, and you'd end up in the killing fields yourself. Ta-dah! Class differences are certainly no longer a problem! What a solution!

The whole point of the revolution was that there were no "betters." There were just the more vicious.
 
2012-10-27 07:56:31 AM
4/9... not too surprising. I can't identify with any of these religious loons... not at all.
 
2012-10-27 08:00:12 AM

BronyMedic: Can we just agree both are bad, and need to be eradicated from the face of the earth?


I can't go along with that. Sometimes, the cure is worse than the disease...

www.davidstuff.com
 
2012-10-27 08:03:20 AM
Forbidden Doughnut:

BronyMedic: Can we just agree both are bad, and need to be eradicated from the face of the earth?

I can't go along with that. Sometimes, the cure is worse than the disease...


Don't make me break out my chart as to who really indulges in religious behavior...
 
2012-10-27 08:03:48 AM

Kurmudgeon: The individuals hide within the group while the innocent are often punished instead. Then when the innocent are punished, others of their group get militant and the cycle continues.
/wash rinse repeat
.


It would be nice if group members would address said individuals, then there would be no need for outsiders to feel as if they had to do it, which would prevent the militant response from the group to the outside interference.

log_jammin: The important thing is someone that someone is actively pointing out bullshiat in a church somewhere, when they see bullshiat. and that's a good thing no matter what the person calls themselves.


Well, it's a start.
 
2012-10-27 08:08:41 AM
7 out of 9.

I thought the quotes from Pat Buchanan and Rick Santorum were said by Islamic Fundamentalists.
 
2012-10-27 08:11:26 AM

geek_mars: It would be nice if group members would address said individuals, then there would be no need for outsiders to feel as if they had to do it, which would prevent the militant response from the group to the outside interference.


You want the religious to brawl with the meanies at church or something? Some people just want to spend a nice Sunday morning praying and eating cookies, man.
 
2012-10-27 08:11:52 AM

maxheck: nmemkha:

All human systems eventually fail due to the failings of the human condition. We have the ability to create a world where everyone has a place to live and enough to eat, but not the will. We invariably let a tiny few of the most selfish and sociopathic among us to sequester the majority of the resources/wealth and leave everyone else to squabble over the crumbs. Maybe its natural for us to suffer in the service of our "betters".

If you want to be truly depressed, know that we can fark up swinging the other way as well. I just got back from visiting Cambodia, and I'm still sorta wound up on the topic, but the Khmer Rouge couldn't make everyone rich, and powerful, but they sure as hell could make everyone was a dirt-poor farmer. And so first they killed the rich, and then they killed the educated, and then they killed anyone associated with the above, and by the time it finally ended, you could denounce *anyone* to The Organization.

But hey, you didn't have to suffer in the service of one's "betters," as they had been buried in mass graves.

Not even going to start in on Myanmar tonight, but yeah, "re-education camps" still exist.


I hear the cherries are ripe for picking this year.
 
2012-10-27 08:13:23 AM

maxheck: nmemkha:

All human systems eventually fail due to the failings of the human condition. We have the ability to create a world where everyone has a place to live and enough to eat, but not the will. We invariably let a tiny few of the most selfish and sociopathic among us to sequester the majority of the resources/wealth and leave everyone else to squabble over the crumbs. Maybe its natural for us to suffer in the service of our "betters".

If you want to be truly depressed, know that we can fark up swinging the other way as well. I just got back from visiting Cambodia, and I'm still sorta wound up on the topic, but the Khmer Rouge couldn't make everyone rich, and powerful, but they sure as hell could make everyone was a dirt-poor farmer. And so first they killed the rich, and then they killed the educated, and then they killed anyone associated with the above, and by the time it finally ended, you could denounce *anyone* to The Organization.

But hey, you didn't have to suffer in the service of one's "betters," as they had been buried in mass graves.

Not even going to start in on Myanmar tonight, but yeah, "re-education camps" still exist.


Also, it was no different. A tiny few did leave well off lives at the expense of the rest. The ideology and the implementation were wrong, not just the implementation.
 
2012-10-27 08:14:17 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats


elsasblog.com 
www.gannett-cdn.com
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.
 
2012-10-27 08:14:52 AM
I want to post this on my Facebook so badly, but it's just not worth it. It's the weekend, dammit.
 
2012-10-27 08:15:12 AM

Ilmarinen: G.I.R.B.: 4/9

Scary part?

I clicked randomly.

Somebody doesn't know how probabilities work.

Incidentally, I got the same score. Some of those really fooled me.


Oh, I do know how statistical probabilities work, but these were not true/false questions.

The scary part is that ALL the horribly gender-biased quotes could be easily be attributed to BOTH types of fundies,

I could have clicked one type exclusively for all nine and still gotten a similar score.

/The "Social Conservatives" (Teahadists) scare me more than any one else in the world.
 
2012-10-27 08:18:22 AM

dervish16108: 7 out of 9.

I thought the quotes from Pat Buchanan and Rick Santorum were said by Islamic Fundamentalists.


.....and they're both Catholic too, IIRC. I guess it's nice that the Protestants aren't responsible for ALL of the derp in the Christian West.

/scored 4 out of 9, myself
// it all sounds the same to me, I guess.
 
2012-10-27 08:20:10 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: BronyMedic: Can we just agree both are bad, and need to be eradicated from the face of the earth?

I can't go along with that. Sometimes, the cure is worse than the disease...

[www.davidstuff.com image 226x300]


There we go. There we go! Everytime an atheist talks about wiping out religion some douche has to bring up Stalin as if what he did was so terrible. Let me tell you something buddy, Mao Tse -tung had the best body count evar! So if you're going to talk atheists murdering in the name of their own ego as a devastating argument, except no substitutions!
 
2012-10-27 08:24:11 AM

G.I.R.B.: /The "Social Conservatives" (Teahadists) scare me more than any one else in the world.


blog.mlive.com
Just a parent trying to protect their child's future.
 
2012-10-27 08:24:12 AM
No shiat... I was expecting Mourdock to let an "Allah Akbar!!" fly after he finished "explaining" why pregnancies from rape are a "gift from god".

fark all these regressive, ignorant assholes, who don't know what century they live in.
 
2012-10-27 08:25:12 AM

Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?


Farther Abraham. (no, seriously. Remember Jacob and Esau? One is the patriarch of most of the Islamic world, the other of virtually everything that followed up to Christ.)
 
2012-10-27 08:28:46 AM

smitty04: G.I.R.B.: /The "Social Conservatives" (Teahadists) scare me more than any one else in the world.

[blog.mlive.com image 453x300]
Just a parent trying to protect their child's future.


At least she knows you never go ATM
 
2012-10-27 08:29:10 AM
7/9

I grew up around a lot of Christian fundamentalists, so I did pretty well. I either recognized most of the quotes or could tell the subtle difference between the two sides.

I thought the one about female masturbation was Christian because it still acknowledged women were capable of learning, and missed the first one because I wasn't warmed up yet.
 
2012-10-27 08:36:21 AM
nmemkha:

Also, it was no different. A tiny few did leave well off lives at the expense of the rest. The ideology and the implementation were wrong, not just the implementation.

Class is an easy and pretty much wrong explanation. The guys who herded thousands into the countryside, who tortured, who pulled the triggers to put thousands into mass graves were the same damn dirt-poor rice farmers that they were butchering. We're going to have to agree to disagree here, I think. One thing I learned from speaking with Cambodians was that even now no one knows where the orders came from. It was always from "The Organization." It wasn't Pol Pot living in some palace. It was the local equivalent of the Elks club president or the village hetman. In other words, your class.
 
2012-10-27 08:37:38 AM

middleoftheday: geek_mars: It would be nice if group members would address said individuals, then there would be no need for outsiders to feel as if they had to do it, which would prevent the militant response from the group to the outside interference.

You want the religious to brawl with the meanies at church or something? Some people just want to spend a nice Sunday morning praying and eating cookies, man.


No. I want the silent majority to take the microphone away from the nutbars infesting their ranks. I want sane people to say and show that the crazy among them don't speak for them all and don't truly represent what they want/think/feel. I want a reasonable person to take notice of something farked up that a fellow member of their group did and declare, "Hey man, that's farked up," and help them understand why it is and then say to the folks who had to endure farked up guy's ridiculousness that, "That guy's farked up and the rest of us don't want any part of whatever is wrong with him."

I wasn't advocating a brawl, and I'd never suggest anything that interfered with good people getting cookies.
 
2012-10-27 08:38:23 AM

smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219] 
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.


FIFY
 
2012-10-27 08:45:26 AM

jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219] 
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY


Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million
 
2012-10-27 08:47:39 AM

intelligent comment below: Another day ends in Y so you have to blame the Jews for everything, as usual.


I don't know if your quip about him is true or not, but I never really understood why Ultra-Orthodox Jews get a pass when we start talking about crazy-ass religious people. They're pretty seriously farked up people, they just live in New York instead of Birmingham. I guess just because there aren't as many of them and they keep most of their crazy within the community.

bhcompy: /everyone is capable of saying stupid shiat


I agree. Social conservatives today are, by choice, missing about two and a half centuries worth of knowledge, social and ethical advancement and should be viewed as inferiors with nothing of consequence to say.

/ that was your "point", right?

BronyMedic: Can we just agree both are bad, and need to be eradicated from the face of the earth?

All

religion should be eradicated. Unfortunately, the only way to do that is education, and these types of people actively avoid learning like it's the damn plague. So I don't think they're going anywhere, they'll just change the names of their god and book again and keep acting just as stupid.
 
2012-10-27 08:50:04 AM

smitty04: Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million



Hitler was not an atheist.

Not exactly Christian either, but he clearly believed in God.
 
2012-10-27 08:52:46 AM
I got 7/9 in the quiz.

Though I did recognize at least one fundy Christian quote and recognized some specific doctrinal points on some others. I was really guessing only about four times.
 
2012-10-27 08:53:48 AM
smitty04:

jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219]
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic fervently religious dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million 1.7 million


You just HAD to do it, didn't you?

Just because their god is The State rather than Yaweh or Allah or whatever, don't make the mistake that genocide can be accomplished without religion.

i49.tinypic.com 

Imagine if any one of these dictators had said "Yeah, believe whatever you want. I don't care." Do you think they'd have racked up quite the death toll?
 
2012-10-27 08:56:08 AM

jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219] 

OK, I know, feeding the Troll and all that........

From my understanding, neither Pakistan nor the Taliban are "fully supported" by Liberals or Democrats.

Geopolitical necessity (diplomacy) means that we (The US) must sometimes "do business" with people or organizations that we do not agree with or even find repugnant.


[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban, a conservative, religious political organization with views scarily similar to "Social Conservatives" in the U.S. terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.


Much more accurate IMHO.

/That girl is my definition of a hero, and I sent her all my best thoughts.
 
2012-10-27 09:00:17 AM

milkyshirt: Holy shiat i got an 8 out of 9. Scary.


Pun intended?

/If not, it was God's will
 
2012-10-27 09:11:13 AM

intelligent comment below: What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.


Besides not wanting to take over Planet earth, what's the difference? Jewish fundies are no less scumbags than their christian and muslim brothers. (NSFW language)
 
2012-10-27 09:13:40 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: BronyMedic: Can we just agree both are bad, and need to be eradicated from the face of the earth?

I can't go along with that. Sometimes, the cure is worse than the disease...

[www.davidstuff.com image 226x300]


Wow. You went there that early? You didn't even bother trolling first?
 
2012-10-27 09:14:52 AM
3/9, and I actually tried.
 
2012-10-27 09:15:29 AM

smitty04: Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million


...Aaand your first shot hit your foot.

i560.photobucket.com

Hitler was a good christian by contemporary standards. It's why he hated jews.
 
2012-10-27 09:16:23 AM
8/9
 
2012-10-27 09:17:05 AM
Christian fundamentalists-- the American Taliban tm
 
2012-10-27 09:18:13 AM

smitty04: G.I.R.B.: /The "Social Conservatives" (Teahadists) scare me more than any one else in the world.

[blog.mlive.com image 453x300]
Just a parent trying to protect their child's future.


that is actually a protest at a catholic church.
 
2012-10-27 09:20:02 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Got this one wrong:

"Woman possesses the weapon of seduction and temptation."

If I hadn't heard most of those quotes before, a coin-toss would have been the most appropriate method of choosing.


Maybe because they haven't used it on you.

/I keed.
 
2012-10-27 09:24:52 AM

sdd2000: Christian fundamentalists any North American political fundamental religious group -- the American Taliban (TM)

 

/Fixed
 
2012-10-27 09:39:15 AM
That was easy. Islamic fundamentalists are more eloquent about their hatred and fear.
 
2012-10-27 09:39:27 AM
Same god, same beliefs, same hate. The only reason they aren't best friends is because they are arguing over copyright infringement.
 
2012-10-27 09:40:50 AM

Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?


Or whom?
 
2012-10-27 09:41:40 AM
I believe the correct answer to this would be: Yes.
 
2012-10-27 09:49:18 AM

intelligent comment below: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.


I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito claims can simultaneously cry about being controlled by such a small number of Semites past and present.

What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.


They're certainly the same in their hatred/fear of women.
 
2012-10-27 09:50:07 AM
"[A girl] can read a useful book, prepare her homework, join a charity, and spend her time doing things that are useful to her in this world and the world to come, instead of thinking about satisfying her urges."
- Yusuf al-Qaradhawi, an Egyptian Islamic theologian on the risks of female masturbation in a lecture for Qatar TV


And he was stoned to death later in the day for deigning to suggest that women have the capacity to learn.
 
2012-10-27 09:51:03 AM
Btw, did Fuqua ever walk back his "kill the disobedient kids" tripe?
 
2012-10-27 09:56:03 AM
Simple. The Islamic Fundamentalist tends to talk in a more literate manner as if quoting from the Quran, where as the Christian conservative jibbers it out like Cletus the slack-jawed yokel.
 
2012-10-27 10:02:37 AM

smitty04: jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219] 
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million


1. Hitler - not an atheist. He had special relationships with both Protestant and Catholic churches, to promote what he considered Aryan values. He also incorporated Germanic pagan iconography into Nazi aesthetics.

2. The other four - they made the state a religion where THEY were the gods. Cult of personality, ever hear of it?

3. Saying, "They did it too!" does not make your side less guilty.
 
2012-10-27 10:03:01 AM
8/9. I got the first one wrong, assuming that Islamic fundamentalists wouldn't even consider divorce.
 
2012-10-27 10:04:00 AM

Summoner101: intelligent comment below: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.


I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito claims can simultaneously cry about being controlled by such a small number of Semites past and present.

What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.

They do have a particular set of very different skills:

[www.iamboredr.com image 450x335]


disciplesofalbertoriveron.files.wordpress.com 

knows something about skills
 
2012-10-27 10:08:35 AM
7/9, been saying there is no difference between the two for a while.
 
2012-10-27 10:11:07 AM
 
2012-10-27 10:12:23 AM
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-27 10:13:22 AM
the ladies should prolly throw a bake-sale and buy one of these 

www.shangralafamilyfun.com 

/guys is stupid
//i is am guy
 
2012-10-27 10:16:12 AM

iEatPennies: Had no fear:

[newsimg.bbc.co.uk image 203x190]


I cried so hard when she was killed. They always murder the good ones.
 
2012-10-27 10:19:05 AM

smitty04: jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219] 
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million


I love a good, old fashioned Godwinning. Classic and simple.
 
2012-10-27 10:19:43 AM
I often point out that Islam and Christianity are not very different, much to the annoyance of my Christian friends. But in the big scheme of things, if you've learned about a lot of religions, they are practicably the same.

If the only plants you know are Oak and Maple trees, you'll never believe me telling you about daisies, ferns, or maize.
 
2012-10-27 10:41:45 AM
5/9. In other words, I failed. No surprise there, it's hard to tell the difference.
 
2012-10-27 10:45:56 AM
Meh fundies are crazy. Who knew?
 
2012-10-27 10:47:51 AM

maxheck: nmemkha:

Also, it was no different. A tiny few did leave well off lives at the expense of the rest. The ideology and the implementation were wrong, not just the implementation.

Class is an easy and pretty much wrong explanation. The guys who herded thousands into the countryside, who tortured, who pulled the triggers to put thousands into mass graves were the same damn dirt-poor rice farmers that they were butchering. We're going to have to agree to disagree here, I think. One thing I learned from speaking with Cambodians was that even now no one knows where the orders came from. It was always from "The Organization." It wasn't Pol Pot living in some palace. It was the local equivalent of the Elks club president or the village hetman. In other words, your class.


Whether the "class" is based on income disparity, race, ideological dogma, or sunspots does not change the relevant facts. Invariably, a small number of people wind up controlling the majority of the resources. This pattern has reoccurred in every system we've devised throughout history, from governance to organized religion.
 
2012-10-27 10:53:58 AM
Both Christian Fundamentalists and Islamists are equally bad,
so let Islamists murder American Diplomats!
 
2012-10-27 10:59:26 AM

bhcompy: KKK Grand Wizard David Duke or preeminent American statesman and philosopher Thomas Jefferson

/everyone is capable of saying stupid shiat


Thomas Jefferson was a racist dick. is this news? he raped his female slave (since she was his property, consent is off the table) and he was a nasty, vindictive politician who invented the concept of the modern smear campaign by secretly financing a libel filled newspaper campaign accusing george washington of royal pretensions (and paid for it by stealing from the same federal government he was opposed to.)

/oh and a hypocrit because he then bought the lousianna purchase, even though it was opposed to all of his politics before that
 
2012-10-27 11:08:21 AM
potato/9

Religion is retarded.

/potato=8
 
2012-10-27 11:17:29 AM

sendtodave: Which seems to conclude that Islamic fundamentalism is more aligned with RWA, while Christian conservatism is more aligned with SDO?


Possibly. It may be more about where their attitudes on women come from. Christian fundies tend to have some of the highest RWA scores in the west. High-SDO is uncorrelated with religiosity, but the double-high types may be associated with for the worst of fundamentalism.
 
2012-10-27 11:19:06 AM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?


Another day ends in Y so you have to blame the Jews for everything, as usual.



Blame? Which Jews?

And both Christianity and Islam are the bastard children of Judaism, aren't they?
 
2012-10-27 11:22:38 AM
9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.
 
2012-10-27 11:23:48 AM

NannyStatePark: You don't have to be religious to hate women who don't behave themselves the way you think they should, or to think your own ideology and culture superior. Ever seen a redneck or fattie thread around here?


Anecdote: the only man I've ever been close with who turned out to be a completely controlling, misogynistic, abusive asshole was a staunchly Atheist Native American.

/I tend to steer clear of zealots of any breed, only have passing anecdotes involving those
 
2012-10-27 11:24:14 AM

SurfaceTension: I'm hung over. Can you translate?


There's two types of proto-fascist bastards -- the ones who think people should line up and march, and the ones who won't march behind anyone else. (The overlap think everyone should march behind them.) The follower type are prejudiced against groups they fear, the leader types are prejudiced against groups they scorn, and both are prejudiced against groups who disagree with them -- followers more than leaders.

See Altemeyer's book for some more details.
 
2012-10-27 11:29:38 AM

maxheck: smitty04:

jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219]
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic fervently religious dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million 1.7 million

You just HAD to do it, didn't you?

Just because their god is The State rather than Yaweh or Allah or whatever, don't make the mistake that genocide can be accomplished without religion.

[i49.tinypic.com image 640x1188] 

Imagine if any one of these dictators had said "Yeah, believe whatever you want. I don't care." Do you think they'd have racked up quite the death toll?


Isn't that cute! You're trying to rewrite history by expanding the connotation of religion. Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists. They're all yours, find a better way to deal with it.
 
2012-10-27 11:29:59 AM

intelligent comment below: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pretty much. not cool to render Judaism's fundies invisible.


I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito



I find it interesting that your position is so pathetically weak that you feel compelled to lie out of sheer desperation. Wouldn't it be better to just keep quiet?


intelligent comment below: What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.


LOL!

I see SOMEONE didn't read the article, which was written by a Jewish woman, no less.
 
2012-10-27 11:31:37 AM

thamike: Amos Quito: Someone feels left out.


/From who did Fundie Christianity and Fundie Islam pick up their misogyny?

Or whom?



Yeah, that too.
 
2012-10-27 11:48:48 AM

chuggernaught: Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists.


Dictators tend to crush anyone who gets in their way. It doesn't mean they did it in the name of Atheism. Also Hitler never considered himself an atheist and associated it with Jewish materialism.
 
2012-10-27 11:54:14 AM

smitty04: G.I.R.B.: /The "Social Conservatives" (Teahadists) scare me more than any one else in the world.

[blog.mlive.com image 453x300]
Just a parent trying to protect their child's future.


Unfortunately for her, the leadership of her political party thinks she should shut up, make a sammich, and stop popping out more and more babies. How exactly are you disproving the article with your posts?
 
2012-10-27 12:03:56 PM
I got 7 of 9 correct. Generally the Islamist ones were slightly more intelligent. That's how I could tell.

MurphyMurphy: Want world peace?
Well, like Marley said, when the power of love overcomes the love of power, you will have it.


I like that.
 
2012-10-27 12:08:43 PM

pion: Generally the Islamist ones were slightly more intelligent. That's how I could tell.


Oh snap.
 
2012-10-27 12:12:42 PM

fluffy2097: 9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.


Um... No. Find me the most recent example of a woman shot in the face by a Christian just for wanting the right to attend school.

I'm waiting...
 
2012-10-27 12:41:35 PM

coco ebert: Just based on those quotes, it seems as though Islamists lean towards viewing women as potentially too powerful- they are dangerous because of their sexual prowess and seductive power whereas as Christianists view women as powerless- weak and stupider than men. Both versions are patriarchal, though, and necessitate controlling women.


Once upon a time, women were revered as amazingly powerful creatures because of their ability to "spontaneously generate" live human babies. But then someone figured out that only happened to women who'd had sex with a man, leading to a new belief that men were actually the creators of babies and women were merely the vessels for the seed. That's a pretty huge cultural shift toward patriarchy and the thinking behind it.
 
2012-10-27 12:51:51 PM
chuggernaught:


Isn't that cute! You're trying to rewrite history by expanding the connotation of religion. Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists. They're all yours, find a better way to deal with it.

And you completely missed the point and went straight for the "no true scotsman" because you can't imagine millions of people worshiping a nebulous deity named "Juche" or "The Fatherland" or "Communism" rather than one named "Jehova." History would disagree with you on what constitutes a religion.

It's nice that you got in a "us vs. them" bit in there though. I do believe that was listed in my chart.
 
2012-10-27 01:13:58 PM
5/9, but looking back at the quotes it becomes apparent that the Islamic Fundies are more poetic than the Christian Fundies. Maybe that's just a result of being translated.
 
2012-10-27 01:16:42 PM

middleoftheday: log_jammin: jake_lex: I got 7 out of 9. How did I guess? The ones that were more elegantly phrased I guessed were Islamic.

that was my method as well.

That is so weird... I did the exact same thing. I couldn't begin to tell you why exactly, though.


Could be either translation, or a long literary tradition of poetry in the Middle East.
 
2012-10-27 01:22:28 PM
8 out of 9. There all nuts but, I can tell a pistachio from a macadamia.
 
2012-10-27 02:03:42 PM

chuggernaught: maxheck: smitty04:

jcooli09: smitty04: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tarkus: There's a difference?

Hats

[elsasblog.com image 300x219]
[www.gannett-cdn.com image 560x421]
Malala's hometown in the lush Swat Valley became the center of Taliban violence in Pakistan after the group pushed its way into power in 2007. Staunch opponents of female education, the Taliban a conservative, religious political organization terrorized students and teachers, bombed hundreds of schools and forced many others to close their doors to girls because of the risk.

FIFY

Throughout history, there have been many mass-murderers. None are as infamous as these four Atheistic fervently religious dictators:

(Here are the casualty figures of the genocides that occurred in Germany, Cambodia, Russia, and China.)

1. Adolf Hitler - around 11 million

2. Joseph Stalin - anywhere from 20 to 100 million

3. Chairman Mao Zedong - 50 to 70 million

4. Pol Pot - around 1 million 1.7 million

You just HAD to do it, didn't you?

Just because their god is The State rather than Yaweh or Allah or whatever, don't make the mistake that genocide can be accomplished without religion.

[i49.tinypic.com image 640x1188] 

Imagine if any one of these dictators had said "Yeah, believe whatever you want. I don't care." Do you think they'd have racked up quite the death toll?

Isn't that cute! You're trying to rewrite history by expanding the connotation of religion. Sorry buddy, Stalin and Mao were fervent atheists that crushed relgion under their iron fists. They're all yours, find a better way to deal with it.


As Bertrand Russell said in 1921:

There is, however, another aspect of Bolshevism from which I differ more fundamentally. Bolshevism is not merely a political doctrine; it is also a religion, with elaborate dogmas and inspired scriptures. When Lenin wishes to prove some proposition, he does so, if possible, by quoting texts from Marx and Engels. A full-fledged Communist is not merely a man who believes that land and capital should be held in common, and their produce distributed as nearly equally as possible. He is a man who entertains a number of elaborate and dogmatic beliefs-such as philosophic materialism, for example-which may be true, but are not, to a scientific temper, capable of being known to be true with any certainty. This habit, of militant certainty about objectively doubtful matters, is one from which, since the Renaissance, the world has been gradually emerging, into that temper of constructive and fruitful scepticism which constitutes the scientific outlook. I believe the scientific outlook to be immeasurably important to the human race. If a more just economic system were only attainable by closing men's minds against free inquiry, and plunging them back into the intellectual prison of the middle ages, I should consider the price too high. The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism

If you think that non religious freethinkers want anything to do with that, you cannot be too bright.
 
2012-10-27 02:09:17 PM
It is only a matter of time until the Christians actually embrace Muslims, "because at least they believe in God". As more and more people decide that they either don't believe in God or religion simply isn't worth it, the Christians will have to expand their net to keep being a force in American culture.

Just as they are now accepting Mormons and decided years ago to throw their political weight in with the Catholics, a few years from now they age going to look for more allies.

I can't wait till they have to explain to their church members that they were wrong all this time about Islam
 
2012-10-27 02:17:17 PM

Mr. Breeze: fluffy2097: 9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.

Um... No. Find me the most recent example of a woman shot in the face by a Christian just for wanting the right to attend school.

I'm waiting...


You know how I know you didn't RTFA?

I'll shut you down anyways though. Look at all these religious folks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States
 
2012-10-27 02:19:55 PM
Women voting for social conservatives should have their pulses checked.
 
2012-10-27 02:22:12 PM

KrispyKritter: if you eliminate religious beliefs and practices on the entire planet do you think you will be left with a world filled with people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent?

having a planet of people who are kind, fair, respectful, understanding and non-violent seems like a worthwhile goal. maybe all you have to do is kill everyone who has religious beliefs and practices then all will be bliss.


Ha ha ha...you're funny.

/People are assholes.
 
2012-10-27 02:28:37 PM

verbaltoxin: 1. Hitler - not an atheist. He had special relationships with both Protestant and Catholic churches, to promote what he considered Aryan values. He also incorporated Germanic pagan iconography into Nazi aesthetics.

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." --Hitler, Mein Kampf


As do all atheists.
 
2012-10-27 02:36:22 PM

milkyshirt: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 450x494]
[sdbv.missouristate.edu image 500x608]
[www.allfordmustangs.com image 320x500]


,..stop beating around the bush and tell us how you did!
 
2012-10-27 02:40:55 PM

spongeboob: It is only a matter of time until the Christians actually embrace Muslims, "because at least they believe in God". As more and more people decide that they either don't believe in God or religion simply isn't worth it, the Christians will have to expand their net to keep being a force in American culture.

Just as they are now accepting Mormons and decided years ago to throw their political weight in with the Catholics, a few years from now they age going to look for more allies.

I can't wait till they have to explain to their church members that they were wrong all this time about Islam


Christians will continue to have power in the United States as long as both the Republicans and Democrats continue to kowtow to them (especially the cowardly way the Democrats did at the DNC, a way that rules out my ever voting for Ted Strickland again.)
 
2012-10-27 03:19:15 PM

abb3w: 8/9. I mistakenly thought the line from Yusuf al-Qaradhawi was too liberal for an Islamic Fundamentalist.


Same score and the same one tripped me up.
 
2012-10-27 03:19:35 PM

fluffy2097: Mr. Breeze: fluffy2097: 9 out of 9

The Muslims all treat their women with SOME level of respect and reverence, you can see that faint inkling of 'we really do think this is in your best interests'.

The Christians just flat out hate women.

Um... No. Find me the most recent example of a woman shot in the face by a Christian just for wanting the right to attend school.

I'm waiting...

You know how I know you didn't RTFA?

I'll shut you down anyways though. Look at all these religious folks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_States


You said Muslims all treat their women with some level of respect.

I gave an example that was extremely to the contrary.

How are you shutting me down again?
 
2012-10-27 03:26:32 PM

edmo: I often point out that Islam and Christianity are not very different, much to the annoyance of my Christian friends. But in the big scheme of things, if you've learned about a lot of religions, they are practicably the same.


Everyone wants to be a snowflake.

The fundie side of my family got all hot and bothered when I posted pics of the insides of mosques after my trip to Turkey.
"Weren't you scared?" they asked. "Why in the world would I be scared?!"
They really didn't like it when I said, "They're pretty much just like you, except they sing from a loudspeaker rather than ring bells."

Part of me wonders what they expected and the dominant part will accept willful ignorance to preserve my sanity and respect for my kin.
 
2012-10-27 03:30:54 PM
Fundamentalists from Abrahamic religions tend to have similarities - and none of them should ever hold political power.
 
2012-10-27 04:21:26 PM

beta_plus: Both Christian Fundamentalists and Islamists are equally bad,
so let Islamists murder American Diplomats!


I think you may be having a stroke.
 
2012-10-27 04:25:09 PM

MisterTweak: I got 5 out of 9. Goddammitsomuch. I had to admit I hoped a little bit that this one would turn out to be from some obscure jackass brushing away flies while talking into a VHS camcorder, 10 time zones away from me. Religion is like anal sex: Feel free to do it all you want with a consenting partner. In private, preferably But don't do it in front of me, don't ask me to pay for your crisco, and for jesusgoddamchrist's sake, don't try and do it TO me, idiot.

"A child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly."
- Charlie Fuqua, Republican candidate for Arkansas State House of Representatives, in his book God's Law: The Only Political Solution

F**k you, Charlie. I'm sorry your dad did bad things to you, but you don't have to take it out on your own children for f**king sake. Schmuck.


i was thinking honor killings and got it wrong.
 
2012-10-27 04:30:59 PM

Amos Quito:
intelligent comment below: What's even more bizarre is to claim Jewish fundamentalists are in any way similar to fundamentalist Christians and Muslims.


LOL!

I see SOMEONE didn't read the article, which was written by a Jewish woman, no less.


So was "The Social Significance of the Modern Drama", but I'm betting you didn't read that either.

It's irrelevant anyway. Whether Fundamentalist Judaism is a good code or ethics of not, I have yet to meet to meet a Jew who believes that everyone needs to live by the same rules as he or she does.

That's the difference between them and the two religions being discussed, and it's a significant one.
 
2012-10-27 04:43:29 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: I see SOMEONE didn't read the article, which was written by a Jewish woman, no less.


Ah yes, a Jew wrote it. Sounds legit

Just like your posts quoting Jews who disagree with Zionism and that proves that Zionism is the worst evil and Hitler did a good thing.

Those Jews only had themselves to blame for the Holocaust (your words)

Don't forget your argument that Jews supported Hitler AND Stalin

More ignorant trash spewing from your pathetic mouth. You're such a coward you hide behind the internet to show what a pathetic waste of oxygen you are


He's just here to balance out Tatsuma. Nature has an equilibrium.
 
2012-10-27 05:04:17 PM

intelligent comment below: Uncle Tractor: Besides not wanting to take over Planet earth, what's the difference? Jewish fundies are no less scumbags than their christian and muslim brothers. (NSFW language)

Oh great a youtube video.


Three, actually, and buckets more if you follow the links.

9/11 Truthers have branched into other areas of expertise

Not sure what that's supposed to mean.
 
2012-10-27 05:23:46 PM

kxs401: Imagine what they could do to us if they teamed up.


Like in Libya?
 
2012-10-27 05:35:25 PM
beta_plus (farkied: Farkied in red. Ought to be brown.): Both Christian Fundamentalists and Islamists are equally bad,
so let Islamists murder American Diplomatsbomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!


FTFY
 
2012-10-27 06:49:12 PM

WhyteRaven74: BTW there are liberal Baptists still around.
What a liberal Baptist may look like

[jesse jackson image]


That's... well...
...

Maybe it's okay if liberal baptists go extinct after all.
 
2012-10-27 07:56:23 PM
zealots and bigots in all of the Abrahamic religions are zealots and bigots
 
2012-10-27 07:58:21 PM
6 out of 9.
 
2012-10-27 08:06:09 PM

MrEricSir: Women voting for social conservatives should have their pulses sanity checked.

 
2012-10-27 08:34:52 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: I find it interesting that your position is so pathetically weak that you feel compelled to lie out of sheer desperation. Wouldn't it be better to just keep quiet?


Do you have multiple personality disorder?



No, you're just a liar. Plain and simple.


intelligent comment below: Do you think the internet forgets your past words?



It must, otherwise you'd be able to post exact quotes - in context, and with links. But you cant. FAIL


intelligent comment below:
You can't champion the cause of white European superiority

When? Where? Exact quotes with links? No? Then I guess you're a liar, ICB.


intelligent comment below: talk about blacks having "bad culture" that causes their violence and ignorance



Unlike you, who believes that they are an "inferior subspecies", right ICB?


intelligent comment below: and every day of every week come on Fark when a topic can be warped into a tirade about those evil Jews who control the world.



When? Where? Exact quotes with links? No? Then I guess you're a liar, right ICB.


intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: I see SOMEONE didn't read the article, which was written by a Jewish woman, no less.


Ah yes, a Jew wrote it. Sounds legit



Um, yeah. A Jewish woman did write it. A Jewish woman named Becky Sharper, in fact. You can read it all here - if you can read, ICB

.The Ultra-Orthodox: Old World Misogyny in the New World

Then you can go back to lying - pretending I said things that I didn't say.

intelligent comment below: Those Jews only had themselves to blame for the Holocaust (your words)



My words, eh? But you can't dig up a quote on that, can you? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're Jewish - is that right, ICB.

I'm also going to guess that as a Jew, you're somewhat of an anomaly, and that other Jews that you THINK you are "helping" with your dishonest diatribes and outright LIES aren't terribly appreciative of your efforts - because you make THEM look bad.

Do you understand, ICB?


intelligent comment below: More ignorant trash spewing from your pathetic mouth. You're such a coward you hide behind the internet to show what a pathetic waste of oxygen you are



Go ahead, threaten me, intelligent comment below. You KNOW you want to.
 
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2012-10-27 11:27:15 PM

intelligent comment below: More derp thoughts

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http://www.fark.com/comments/6588780/Palestine-formally-requests-stat e hood-from-UN-Article-to-left-determining-who-this-is-bad-for-to-right? cpp=1

On the history of Israel


Israel is the bastard child of a scheme hatched to swipe the land back in the late 1800's when it was still under Ottoman rule.

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Claim most Jews (with no proof) do not support Zionism and how it has been bad for them

Initially most Jews vehemently opposed the idea of Political Zionism, and continued to do so right up until WWII, and many Jews continue to oppose it to this day, because they can see that no good will come from it - especially not for Jews.

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Jews want to exterminate Arabs

with the racist entity that has been brutally oppressing them and driving them into ever shrinking corners of existence for the past six decades, so I guess Israel's only choice is to kill them all.

Which was pretty much the plan from the get-go, wasn't it?

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And passing off their homeland as insignificant and worthless to want to go back to

Why in the ancient "homeland" where only a tiny percentage of Jews live, and where the vast majority of Jews worldwide havent set foot for hundreds and hundreds of years.

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Jewish conspiracy to discredit everyone who dares say anything bad about them


Oh yes, there is definitely a world press conspiracy to make Israel look bad.

mycatbirdseat.com

Just ask Helen.

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back to comparing Jews to Nazis

The sympathies that were generated as a result of the Holocaust were quickly squandered as the world witnessed what the "victim" became once it donned the jackboots.

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Hoping for the next Holocaust to teach them a final lesson

Israel has become a pariah. The only reason that it is tolerated at all is because of the powerful political, monetary and media influence its supporters wield in diaspora - especially in the US. That intelligent comment below: More derp thoughts

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http://www.fark.com/comments/6588780/Palestine-formally-requests-stat e hood-from-UN-Article-to-left-determining-who-this-is-bad-for-to-right? cpp=1

On the history of Israel


Israel is the bastard child of a scheme hatched to swipe the land back in the late 1800's when it was still under Ottoman rule.

------------------

Claim most Jews (with no proof) do not support Zionism and how it has been bad for them

Initially most Jews vehemently opposed the idea of Political Zionism, and continued to do so right up until WWII, and many Jews continue to oppose it to this day, because they can see that no good will come from it - especially not for Jews.

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Jews want to exterminate Arabs

with the racist entity that has been brutally oppressing them and driving them into ever shrinking corners of existence for the past six decades, so I guess Israel's only choice is to kill them all.

Which was pretty much the plan from the get-go, wasn't it?

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And passing off their homeland as insignificant and worthless to want to go back to

Why in the ancient "homeland" where only a tiny percentage of Jews live, and where the vast majority of Jews worldwide havent set foot for hundreds and hundreds of years.

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Jewish conspiracy to discredit everyone who dares say anything bad about them


Oh yes, there is definitely a world press conspiracy to make Israel look bad.

mycatbirdseat.com

Just ask Helen.

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back to comparing Jews to Nazis

The sympathies that were generated as a result of the Holocaust were quickly squandered as the world witnessed what the "victim" became once it donned the jackboots.

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Hoping for the next Holocaust to teach them a final lesson

Israel has become a pariah. The only reason that it is tolerated at all is because of the powerful political, monetary and media influence its supporters wield in diaspora - especially in the US. That tolerance is wea ...


Shame? For the shiatrolls of Fark... I think not. There will be no concessions and no admissions.

 
2012-10-27 11:29:20 PM
Why is it "fundamentalist" when describing an Islamic extremist, but "conservative" when describing a Christian extremist?
 
2012-10-28 12:55:02 AM

Alicious: Same score and the same one tripped me up.


...so, you didn't think an Islamist would be in favor of women reading books, either?

/Yes, I've some prejudices
//I try to keep modifying them based on empirical evidence
///Yourself?

Diagonal: 9/9


[Profile check...] "Professor of Philosophy." Huh. So, that's actually good for something after all.

assets0.ordienetworks.com


So, if you don't mind a bit of ignorant poking, what's your stance on the Is-Ought problem?
Or, if you'd prefer, your stance on the Commutativity of Logical Inclusive Disjunction?
 
2012-10-28 02:29:23 AM

abb3w: Alicious: Same score and the same one tripped me up.

...so, you didn't think an Islamist would be in favor of women reading books, either?

/Yes, I've some prejudices
//I try to keep modifying them based on empirical evidence
///Yourself?


Islam actually supports women to be educated. The Q'uran encourages both men and women to seek knowledge.

I had a World Religions professor who had spent quite a bit of time studying Islam. I learned a lot from him about it. Americans have trouble understanding the difference in cultural traditions of the populations who converted to Islam and what Islam actually says. FGM is an example of that.
 
2012-10-28 09:49:41 AM
t3.gstatic.com

Amos Quito 
 
2012-10-28 11:19:35 AM
Most of those things said are stupid, but what's wrong with the first one? All children, not just daughters, should be raised to have good manners. Nobody likes it when children won't behave
 
2012-10-28 12:07:49 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: but what's wrong with the first one?


I'm thinking context factors into that a bit.
 
2012-10-28 03:00:18 PM
9 out of 9.

It was easy.
 
2012-10-28 03:19:38 PM

intelligent comment below: More derp thoughts


I would add Amos Quito claiming that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is legit, the 9/11 conspiracy and the ones who are behind it (take a guess) but overall you covered all the basics. Even added some new stuff i wasn't aware of. The guy sure is a prolific anti-semite shiatstain.

it's all in details here.
 
2012-10-28 03:49:27 PM

Alicious: I had a World Religions professor who had spent quite a bit of time studying Islam. I learned a lot from him about it. Americans have trouble understanding the difference in cultural traditions of the populations who converted to Islam and what Islam actually says. FGM is an example of that.


Is a society's religion what the people in that society say it is, or what your professor says it is? I claim that for those Islamic societies who believe that Allah has commanded them to mutilate women's genitals, FGM is part of their religion. For those shiatstains in Afghanistan and Pakistan who try to maim or kill girls who go to school, preventing women from learning is part of their religion. Bombing the olympics and abortion clinics is part of Eric Rudholf's religion. Allowing children to die in unimaginable suffering rather than seek medical treatment is a part of some parents' religion. Is it so surprising that some of us hate religion in all its forms?
 
2012-10-28 04:01:00 PM

pciszek:

Is a society's religion what the people in that society say it is, or what your professor says it is? I claim that for those Islamic societies who believe that Allah has commanded them to mutilate women's genitals, FGM is part of their religion. For those shiatstains in Afghanistan and Pakistan who try to maim or kill girls who go to school, preventing women from learning is part of their religion. Bombing the olympics and abortion clinics is part of Eric Rudholf's religion. Allowing children to die in unimaginable suffering rather than seek medical treatment is a part of some parents' religion. Is it so surprising that some of us hate religion in all its forms?


You illustrate my professor's point perfectly.

FGM originates as an African tradition. It predates Islam.

Preventing women and girls from learning is cultural, not religious. Many of the cultures in those areas have distinct and separate roles for men and women in their culture. Those also predate Islam.

Bombing abortion clinics and the Olympics are not part of the Christian religion. Neither is withholding medical treatment. The Bible does not encourage either.

You can hate religion all you want. I think doing so is nonprodutive and prefer to focus my energies on changing cultural attitudes.
 
2012-10-28 04:17:52 PM
Howdy intelligent comment below!

Sorry I couldn't reply last night - I was out. Had a WONDERFUL evening, and I hope you did too!

When we last spoke, you made several claims WRT what I supposedly said, and I called you a liar. You then went on to make a long list of out-of-context quotes and took the liberty of attaching your little labels of "WHAT THEY REALLY MEAN" in the hopes of distracting us from the fact that you are INDEED a shameless apologist and a spineless liar.

Let's see how you did.

First, your lying accusations (from upthread):

1. "I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito claims can simultaneously cry about being controlled by such a small number of Semites past and present."

Do you show examples of me "preaching white power and European dominance" below? We shall see.


2. "You can't champion the cause of white European superiority, talk about blacks having "bad culture" that causes their violence and ignorance, and every day of every week come on Fark when a topic can be warped into a tirade about those evil Jews who control the world."

Do you provide examples of my writing about "European superiority", "black culture" or that "Jews control the world", or are you lying again? We shall see.


3. "Just like your posts quoting Jews who disagree with Zionism and that proves that Zionism is the worst evil and Hitler did a good thing."

Do I say that "Zionism is the worst evil and Hitler did a good thing", as you claim? We shall see.


4. "Those Jews only had themselves to blame for the Holocaust (your words)"

My words, ICB? MY WORDS? Or are you lying again? We shall see.


5. "Don't forget your argument that Jews supported Hitler AND Stalin"

Will ICB back this up with quotes, or is he stretching the "truth" in the name of defending his Zionist Creed?


Now watch as intelligent comment below does his famous limbo routine. How low can you go, ICB?



intelligent comment below: Here you are blaming Jews for killing JFK


AQ Quote
: And there was this ONE president that was DETERMINED that Israel would NOT get nuclear weapons.

He demanded that the Israelis open Dimona - their nuclear facility - for inspections.

njtoday.net

Unfortunately, he had an accident.

But that's okay, because the guy who replaced him was VERY pro-Zionist.


/Sure glad that Israel is our ally

http://www.fark.com/comments/7270278/Israel-begins-to-Cheney-ize-a-wa r -with-Iran-It-will-last-a-month-only-kill-500-Israelis?cpp=1



Jews killed JFK? Is that what you inferred from what I wrote? Interesting insight into your psycology, ICB.


ICB:

------------------

And calling Israel Izzy

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And demanding sanctions on Israel for worrying about Iran getting wmd's threatening to start WWIII


AQ quote Barry needs to grow some balls and throw down sanctions on Israel NOW.

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Oooh! I called Israel "Izzy" (have a kleenex) AND failed to pledge fealty to the paranoid mad-dog Zionist Regime? Off with my head?

Next:

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ICB: And agreeing that they setup Clinton with Lewenski to control him

Some other Farker: Obama needs a couple of months before he can grow any balls. The last time a President started pushing Israel to quit acting like a genocidal monster Lucianne Goldberg unleashed the Lewinsky "scandal". Clinton shut up about Israel.

AQ quote: "Indeed."


"Indeed" was the only word I wrote in that quote, ICB. Out of context and irrelevant, as usual.

Have you proven any of your charges (1-5 above) yet? No? Well, let's carry on, shall we?

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ICB flings some poo: And claiming that Jews had it coming with the Holocaust

AQ Quote: The first 50 years of the 20th Century is an interesting study once you get beyond the sanitized soundbites of "Nazis bad, Allies good, Jews innocent victims".

There was a LOT of political skulduggery that went on behind the scenes that most people are unaware of, and the mere mention of these things is certain to bring out troops of poo-flinging monkeys.


So the only thing you "proved" is that you're a poo-flinging monkey, ICB.


ICB: ----------------------

By blaming Jewish bankers

AQ quote: You want the names of the countries, or the names of their central bankers?


So now we see that ICB believes that all central bankers are Jews. That sounds anti-Semitic, ICB.


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ICB: And trying to finally weasle your way out of it, and claim that Jews just call people Nazi's when they don't like what they say

AQ quote: Second if someone DID blame "Jews" for the Holocaust, that would not make them a "nazi" (Unless you define "nazi" as "anyone who says things that Jews don't like).

Weasel my way out of what? Your lies and misrepresentations? And YOU DO call anyone who dares criticize Jews, Zionists, or the Zionist regime a "Nazi", don't you intelligent comment below?


MOVING ON TO YOUR NEXT POST:

intelligent comment below: And here is another topic

http://www.fark.com/comments/7191436/Miss-Holocaust-Survivor-beauty-p a geant-held-in-Israel?cpp=1

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ICB: Blacks Palestinians should be thankful for slavery Zionist occupation FTFY.

Context added: liam76 The fact is that according to the UN HDI Palestenians, under Israel, did better than many of their arab neighbors.

AQ to liam76: Yeah, well, on the whole, it seems that the descendants of black slaves brought to the US have fared far better than their relatives who remained in Africa. No?

As you can see, liam76 and the poo-flinging troops were trying to defend Izzy's brutal 60 year occupation of the Palestinian people, claiming that THEY should be grateful. My statement called them on their bullshiat.

Sucks to be you, intelligent comment below.


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ICB: Palestinian refugee camps are

concentration camps


I used that phrase nowhere in the link you cited. Guess you're lying again, intelligent comment below.

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ICB: Blame Israel for the war of independence Zionist Invasion FTFY

AQ quote: thanks to the invasion of the interloping European Jews.

AQ quote IN CONTEXT:

Amos Quito:
Your implication seems to be that the Palestinians are better of thanks to their brutal occupation under the Israelis.

Sounds like you're saying the Pallies should be grateful for the "comforts" with which the Zionist boot-heel has blessed them. No?



Tatterdemalian: I'll say it if he won't: the Palestinians are provably better off under an Israeli democracy than under an Islamic theocracy.


Amos Quito: Okay then, prove it.

And remember, we're not just talking about the small number of Palestinians that live in "Israel proper", but those that live in Gaza, the West Bank and the various concentration refugee camps that they were forced to flee to thanks to the invasion of the interloping European Jews.


Looks a little different when you're deprived of your Selective Zionist Editing, doesn't it, intelligent comment below?

LOL!


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ICB: Jews ZIONISTS are just as bad as Nazis (also strange to read in the face of you claiming it's Jews who call other people Nazis) FTFY.

AQ quote: I seem to recall that the Nazis sought to enforce the dominance of a single ethnic group over others, to expand their territory in the name of "living space" and manifest destiny, and rationalized their doing so by claiming that out-group members were inferior, subversive, of dubious loyalty, and that they posed a threat to state security.

They uprooted, isolated and concentrated the targeted groups, depriving them of liberty, property, means of livelihood and of life itself, all in the name of "security" and the betterment of the Reich.

Any of this sound familiar?


Spot-on accurate, intelligent comment below. Don't you just HATE it when people have the NERVE to call you racist, supremacist ZIONISTS for what you are? There's a way to fix that: Stop acting like Nazis, and people will stop comparing you to Nazis. Is that so hard to understand?

-----------------

ICB again relies on Selective Zionist Editing as he flails miserably: Trivializing the plight of holocaust victims


AQ as quoted by ICB: Yeah, but we're only supposed to cry about the Jews that Hitler hit, right?

"Poor Us! Whore Us!"


AQ quote IN CONTEXT (minus ICB's careful and deceptive editing):

Amos Quito: They uprooted, isolated and concentrated the targeted groups, depriving them of liberty, property, means of livelihood and of life itself, all in the name of "security" and the betterment of the Reich.

Any of this sound familiar?


Porous Horace:The US? Mongolians? Islamists? Lots of people have done that.

Amos Quito: Yeah, but we're only supposed to cry about the Jews that Hitler hit, right?

Porous Horace: Btw, are you happy now that people are playing with you? Who's a good little shiat, eh? Who's a good little shiat? Want a cookie? They're halal!

cdn1.spiegel.de

Amos Quito: "Poor Us! Whore Us!"

Innat right, Porous Horace



ICB finishes his Selective Zionist Editing session by saying: Do you want to keep getting biatch slapped like the inbred trash that you really are? Or are you finally going to run away after losing another debate?

What was that, pathetic liar?

Isn't it funny that you and those of your ilk can NEVER win an argument on facts. You MUST rely on lying, misrepresentation, SELECTIVE, OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTING, and appealing to the baser instincts of emotional melodrama - and even then YOU FAIL.

I stand by every word I wrote - IN CONTEXT (and minus you lying little tag lines implying that they mean something other than what they do).

If you want to talk FACTS (you don't, because you'll lose, and you know it) feel free to point out where I have been factually incorrect in anything I have written, and we'll discuss it.

But you have shown that all you're capable of doing is lying, misquoting / misrepresenting others, and then crying like whiny little ethnocentric racist supremacist BIATCH that you are.

LULZ!


Oh, and one more little ICB quote:

intelligent comment below: You're a pathetic angry drunk

Yeah my "dishonest diatribes" projection much?

OUTRIGHT LIES. boy you're really off your meds now

I make them look bad? LOL do you even know who I am?



Okay, I'll bite: WHO ARE YOU, intelligent comment below? From your posts, I'd say that you're a nobody Zionist zealot, a racist Jewish Supremacist who clearly sees the ugly, reprehensible movement that he is a part of, yet chooses to actively work to defend it because he puts his Zionist ideology above everything - including the best interests of the planet, humanity, or even his fellow Jews.

Is that about right? intelligent comment below?


Finally from the top of this post, let's see how you did in your "honesty test". Did you prove your accusations?

1. "I find it strange how people who preach white power and White European dominance over every other living creature like Amos Quito claims can simultaneously cry about being controlled by such a small number of Semites past and present."

Do you show examples of me "preaching white power and European dominance" below? We shall see.

ICB FAIL


2. "You can't champion the cause of white European superiority, talk about blacks having "bad culture" that causes their violence and ignorance, and every day of every week come on Fark when a topic can be warped into a tirade about those evil Jews who control the world."

Do you provide examples of my writing about "European superiority", "black culture" or that "Jews control the world", or are you lying again? We shall see.

ICB FAIL


3. "Just like your posts quoting Jews who disagree with Zionism and that proves that Zionism is the worst evil and Hitler did a good thing."

Do I say that "Zionism is the worst evil and Hitler did a good thing", as you claim? We shall see.


ICB FAIL


4. "Those Jews only had themselves to blame for the Holocaust (your words)"

My words, ICB? MY WORDS? Or are you lying again? We shall see.


ICB lies. FAIL


5. "Don't forget your argument that Jews supported Hitler AND Stalin"

Will ICB back this up with quotes, or is he stretching the "truth" in the name of defending his Zionist Creed?

ICB lies. FAIL


Well, I guess we're done here intelligent comment below.

Thanks for your efforts, however pathetic, to defend the indefensible.

You have yourself a nice day, mmmmkay?

;-)
 
2012-10-28 05:04:54 PM
Well, we've just seen that the ONLY way intelligent comment below can argue is through out-of-context quoting, misrepresentation, and outright lies.

Is TappingTheVein of a higher character? Or will he holds true to the modus operandi of Spineless Zionist Apologists?

Let's find out:


TappingTheVein: intelligent comment below: More derp thoughts

I would add Amos Quito claiming that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is legit

[...] it's all in details here.


So, I claim that "the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is legit"???

Let's have a look at what I actually said:



TappingTheVein: What do you think about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ? truth or lie ?

Amos Quito: Lie, of course.

We know that it is a lie because whoever wrote "The Protocols" (lol) loosely paraphrased a few lines from another work by some guy named Maurice Joly, who had in turn plagiarized another author named Eugene Sue.

So because of this paraphrasing, we know that the whole thing can and should be tossed out the window BURNT, don't we, TappingTheVein?


[Emphasis and links in original]

True to the Zionist Apologist form, TappingTheVein is every bit the liar as his buddy intelligent comment below has shown himself to be.

Maybe you guys should get a room so that you can lie side-by-side, day and night, without fear of being disturbed?

/Cozy
 
2012-10-28 05:16:32 PM

Amos Quito: So, I claim that "the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is legit"???

Let's have a look at what I actually said:


Yes, you sure did.

And the explanation of your "method" as usual: You never say it, that's the genius of it. You only hint at it, only ask innocent questions. you just said, in your extremely sophisticated method, *cough*, that the proof for the Protocols being a forgery is insubstantial, the claims about it being a forgery is questionable. Just like you blamed 'the jews', i'm sorry, 'the Zionists' for the assassination of JFK.

Amos Quito:
True to the Zionist Apologist form, TappingTheVein is every bit the liar as his buddy intelligent comment below has shown himself to be.

Maybe you guys should get a room so that you can lie side-by-side, day and night, without fear of being disturbed?


Do you say that with a straight face when your anti-semitic drivel is detailed all over this thread ?

What a pathetic anti-semitic sack of shiat.
 
2012-10-28 05:23:08 PM

Alicious: You illustrate my professor's point perfectly.

FGM originates as an African tradition. It predates Islam.


You say FGM is not part of their people's religion, but the people doing it say it is. Whom should I accept as an authority their religion, the people practicing it, or some American guy who isn't a member of their religion OR their culture?
 
2012-10-28 06:03:23 PM

intelligent comment below: Amos Quito: You have yourself a nice day, mmmmkay?


Nice try but your attempt to weasel your way out of your own past posts sadly falls flat on your face, just like you in life.



As I said, there is nothing in those posts that is inaccurate, or that I would "deny", your pathetic attempts to twist their meaning via your out-of-context Selective Zionist Spin Quoting, misrepresentations and outright lies notwithstanding.


intelligent comment below: In every topic when faced with your past statements you claim ignorance and people just misunderstood you. You are a sad worthless little man



No, you don't like what I say, but you can't argue against it with fact, so you lie. Lie lie lie lie, naively assuming that you won't get called out. You'd think that you'd have learned by now, but then again, folks of your ilk are not terribly adept at learning from their mistakes, are they? Witness TappingTheVein following in your footsteps that lead to the edge and off into the abyss.

Tisk tisk.

intelligent comment below: Even in the face of your own words you still cannot admit defeat. So sad.


What defeat? You told a pack of lies in this thread that I listed at both the top AND bottom of my L-O-N-G post above. Then in your pathetic attempt to COVER for those lies, you made a long list of out of context quotes prefaced by "explanations" implying that they "mean" something other than what they say. Your insertion of the word JEW to replace the word ZIONIST at every opportunity shows how pathetically desperate you are.

As usual, the Zionist position CANNOT be defended on its "virtues", so you MUST depend on lies, deception, subterfuge, misdirection and misrepresentation at EVERY turn if you hope to win ANY points at all.

Have you ever considered whether your bigoted, racist, ethnocentric "cause" is really worthy of defending, intelligent comment below? I mean, it seems like a LOT of work to be putting into a project that is FAIL by design.

Don't you think?
 
2012-10-28 06:03:47 PM

pciszek:

You say FGM is not part of their people's religion, but the people doing it say it is. Whom should I accept as an authority their religion, the people practicing it, or some American guy who isn't a member of their religion OR their culture?


You could actually read the book that the religion is based upon - the Q'uran. Or you could research their cultural history. Or do both and compare and contrast. Also, if you talk to the people who practice FGM, they don't claim that it is part of their religion but rather it is tradition. Surprisingly enough, it is mainly older women that defend the tradition of FGM.

My professor wasn't an American. You certainly do jump to conclusions easily.
 
2012-10-28 07:36:36 PM

Amos Quito: No, you don't like what I say, but you can't argue against it with fact, so you lie. Lie lie lie lie, naively assuming that you won't get called out. You'd think that you'd have learned by now, but then again, folks of your ilk are not terribly adept at learning from their mistakes, are they? Witness TappingTheVein following in your footsteps that lead to the edge and off into the abyss.


Projection is an understatement. he probably thinks this is as ingenious as his posting technique of anti-semitic bullshiat.

Too bad things do not vanish from the good old internet and all his antisemitic insanity, conspiracy theories and infantile pathetic attempts to squirm his way out of his posts is present in all its anti-semitic glory.
 
2012-10-28 09:51:10 PM

TappingTheVein: Amos Quito: No, you don't like what I say, but you can't argue against it with fact, so you lie. Lie lie lie lie, naively assuming that you won't get called out. You'd think that you'd have learned by now, but then again, folks of your ilk are not terribly adept at learning from their mistakes, are they? Witness TappingTheVein following in your footsteps that lead to the edge and off into the abyss.

Projection is an understatement. he probably thinks this is as ingenious as his posting technique of anti-semitic bullshiat.



I'm afraid I just don't follow you, Fapping-In-Vain.

I mean, you asked me straight out "What do you think about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ? truth or lie ?", and I gave you a straightforward answer: "

Lie, of course.".

I even went so far as to describe the long-accepted proof that the Protocols are a forgery, and even cited evidence of that proof.

The fact that you cannot accept the answer and explanation I offered (which is identical to the standard Protocols narrative), but that I MUST be speaking in "anti-Semitic code-talk" make me wonder whether you are a delusional paranoid - an affliction that seems to be unusually prevalent among the poo-flinging Zionist Apologist crowd - at least here on Fark.

Which leads me to ponder: Does devotion to Zionism somehow bring out latent delusional paranoid tendencies in people? Or are the delusionally paranoid attracted to Zionism for some strange reason? I think that this topic is worthy of investigation by researchers in the field of psychiatry. Don't you agree, Fapping-In-Vain?

TappingTheVein: Too bad things do not vanish from the good old internet and all his antisemitic insanity, conspiracy theories and infantile pathetic attempts to squirm his way out of his posts is present in all its anti-semitic glory.



Of course you do not truly understand that the posts you link to do NOT support the wild-eyed conclusions that you embrace - but if you did, you wouldn't be a delusional paranoid, would you?

And what of your repeated accusations of "anti-Semitism"? You know, I re-read every post I made in that thread, and I'll be damned if I can find a single statement that I MADE that could possibly be construed as "anti-Semitic" (except perhaps by the mentally infirm). I am decidedly anti-Zionist, however, and that may well be your launch-pad from reality - as you seem (like many of your fellow travelers) unable to differentiate Political Zionism from one's Jewish ethnicity.

Ironically, as you repeatedly accuse me of anti-Semitism, you yourself expressed a loathing disdain for Jews that don't share your Zionist ideals - saying that they are "ten times worse" than anti-Semites.

Yes, you are an odd character, Fapping-In-Vain - a self-described "atheist Jew" who lives in Israel, and who is wholeheartedly devoted to Political Zionism. But how do you justify that? I mean, as an atheist you certainly don't subscribe to the "God gave this land to us" fairytale that MOST Jews try to use to "justify" their aggressive colonization of Palestine, right? I mean, if there is no God, there can be no promise, and no "chosen people" for god to favour above all others, right?

So how DO you reconcile your rabid devotion to a political movement that was founded to hack out, by hook or by crook, a land SPECIFICALLY intended to be populated by ONE group of people from anywhere and EVERYWHERE on the planet that shared ONE thing: Common genetic heritage traced back to Abraham, Issac and Jacob (AKA Israel)?

Religious Jews who are staunch Zionists MAY be able to use their quirky religious beliefs to "justify" their devotion to this inherently bigoted society, but atheists like you? Well frankly, it appears that you're nothing more than a racist - and of the worst stripe.

Or it could just be a manifestation of the delusional paranoia?

Please feel free to explain.
 
2012-10-29 03:30:15 AM

thamike: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: but what's wrong with the first one?

I'm thinking context factors into that a bit.


Good point
 
2012-10-29 04:47:17 AM

Amos Quito: I mean, you asked me straight out "What do you think about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ? truth or lie ?", and I gave you a straightforward answer: "Lie, of course.".

I even went so far as to describe the long-accepted proof that the Protocols are a forgery, and even cited evidence of that proof.

The fact that you cannot accept the answer and explanation I offered (which is identical to the standard Protocols narrative), but that I MUST be speaking in "anti-Semitic code-talk" make me wonder whether you are a delusional paranoid - an affliction that seems to be unusually prevalent among the poo-flinging Zionist Apologist crowd - at least here on Fark.


And the explanation of your "method" as usual: You never say it, that's the genius of it. You only hint at it, only ask innocent questions. you just said, in your extremely sophisticated method, *cough*, that the proof for the Protocols being a forgery is insubstantial, the claims about it being a forgery is questionable.

As evident by his own given link you can see the elaborate genius of it, Sophisticated mix of sarcasm, doubt and retardation, if you will. Amos Quito thinks he can express his doubt that the Protocols are a forgery but since he didn't out right say it he's in the clear. He never said it, you see.

Amos Quito: but that I MUST be speaking in "anti-Semitic code-talk"


What code talk ? it obvious to a brick wall. When you present the assassination of JFK as a zionist plot the Amos Quito(tm) way of course, your meaning is not exactly shrouded in mystery.

Amos Quito: Of course you do not truly understand that the posts you link to do NOT support the wild-eyed conclusions that you embrace - but if you did, you wouldn't be a delusional paranoid, would you?


So was it your evil twin who blamed the jews for the Holocaust ? WWII and WWI ? Kennedy assassination ? 9/11 ? or claimed that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are legit ?

You just stumbled into this thread by mistake to bring the Jews to the mix ?just couldn't help yourself.

Amos Quito: And what of your repeated accusations of "anti-Semitism"? You know, I re-read every post I made in that thread, and I'll be damned if I can find a single statement that I MADE that could possibly be construed as "anti-Semitic"


Because in your delusional retarded little mind since you only hinted and 'asked questions here' you never MADE anything. An insult to any sentient being's intelligence.

Amos Quito: Ironically, as you repeatedly accuse me of anti-Semitism, you yourself expressed a loathing disdain for Jews that don't share your Zionist ideals - saying that they are "ten times worse" than anti-Semites.


And some more projections. I said the insane cult of Neturei Karta are ten times worse. You of course adore them because like you they pray for the eradication of Israel. There is a reason every other jewish community shuns them.

Amos Quito: Yes, you are an odd character, Fapping-In-Vain - a self-described "atheist Jew" who lives in Israel, and who is wholeheartedly devoted to Political Zionism. But how do you justify that? I mean, as an atheist you certainly don't subscribe to the "God gave this land to us" fairytale that MOST Jews try to use to "justify" their aggressive colonization of Palestine, right? I mean, if there is no God, there can be no promise, and no "chosen people" for god to favour above all others, right?


Not just an anti-semite turd but an ignorant farktard as well. judaism is a nationality as well as a religion, most israelis are not orthodox but secular, the early settlers were atheist eastern Europeans, jews lived in the region as well, the authority was the British Mandate, there was no 'Palestine' nation or country etc and so on.

Amos Quito: So how DO you reconcile your rabid devotion to a political movement that was founded to hack out, by hook or by crook, a land SPECIFICALLY intended to be populated by ONE group of people from anywhere and EVERYWHERE on the planet that shared ONE thing: Common genetic heritage traced back to Abraham, Issac and Jacob (AKA Israel)?


Yes because we all know all jews live in Israel and everyone living in Israel is a jew, including the 20% Muslim Israelis, the christians, Druze, Bedouin etc.

Amos Quito: Religious Jews who are staunch Zionists MAY be able to use their quirky religious beliefs to "justify" their devotion to this inherently bigoted society, but atheists like you? Well frankly, it appears that you're nothing more than a racist - and of the worst stripe.


So projecting is your new favorite defense mechanism ? well, whatever you think works i guess.
 
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