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2012-10-27 01:14:04 AM  
FTFA: "People have a right to take action to defend their own person, to defend their dwelling and to defend other people. The force that they use must be reasonable and must fit the circumstances, it must be considered in relation to the threat that they're facing," Det Insp Hitch said.

With all due respect, this is bullsh*t. The homeowners were 83 and 76. If you invade the home of an old couple like that, you deserve anything they can do to you. In this case, it was a knife wound. Too bad it wasn't a shotgun blast to the face.

I don't like it when law enforcement takes it upon themselves to publicly second-guess the actions of the victims of home invasions. When someone breaks into your house, they get what they get. All bets are off at that point. It's hypocritical for police to say anything considering the way they handle even the slightest hint of a threat to themselves.
 
2012-10-27 02:44:13 AM  
This is why it is a good idea to live in Texas, instead of Cali or such.

Downside to Texas: Insane property taxes!
Upside to Texas: Dead burglars, but you have to bury them somewhere. Grr.
 
2012-10-27 02:49:23 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "People have a right to take action to defend their own person, to defend their dwelling and to defend other people. The force that they use must be reasonable and must fit the circumstances, it must be considered in relation to the threat that they're facing," Det Insp Hitch said.

With all due respect, this is bullsh*t. The homeowners were 83 and 76. If you invade the home of an old couple like that, you deserve anything they can do to you. In this case, it was a knife wound. Too bad it wasn't a shotgun blast to the face.

I don't like it when law enforcement takes it upon themselves to publicly second-guess the actions of the victims of home invasions. When someone breaks into your house, they get what they get. All bets are off at that point. It's hypocritical for police to say anything considering the way they handle even the slightest hint of a threat to themselves.


Any state that asserts that deadly force is not "reasonable" force to use against a demonstrably criminal home invader is corrupt and should be overthrown.
 
2012-10-27 02:50:35 AM  
He said he confronted the intruder and told him he had a knife, but the man tried to push past him and ran onto the blade.

As the only sentence describing the confrontation, this is just confusing.
He ran "onto the blade"? Did the guy just hold the knife out and the dude tried to limbo under it and lose? 

I guess you can't go into detail when you're already selling the story as a kung fu hero tale.
 
2012-10-27 02:51:46 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: With all due respect, this is bullsh*t. The homeowners were 83 and 76. If you invade the home of an old couple like that, you deserve anything they can do to you. In this case, it was a knife wound. Too bad it wasn't a shotgun blast to the face.

I don't like it when law enforcement takes it upon themselves to publicly second-guess the actions of the victims of home invasions. When someone breaks into your house, they get what they get. All bets are off at that point. It's hypocritical for police to say anything considering the way they handle even the slightest hint of a threat to themselves.


^THIS^


but also the irony of how these boilerplate statements come from the same Law enforcement agencies, (I'm thinking in the US, I've got no idea what its like where this happened), that use SWAT teams to serve no-knock warrants, will kill you dog and if you're say.... a legally armed veteran or citizen you too... all while spinning it to make it sound like a good thing.

whoops wrong address?
think you mean whoops look what I've found here on the floor all of a sudden....

/sad reality really.
 
2012-10-27 02:52:54 AM  
Gotta love the police response. Don't be too mean to criminals! We're worried that someone might hurt a criminal while they commit crimes against you. Don't do anything that might hurt their feelings. Repeat, be very gentle to criminals who break into your home. Seriously we mean it.

/I love "elderly guy beats down young criminal punk" stories.
 
2012-10-27 02:55:02 AM  
"Our advice is that people should avoid confronting anybody it's not my advice that people should arm themselves and confront anyone in a house," Detective Inspector for Brisbane West Robert Hitch said.
"People have a right to take action to defend their own person, to defend their dwelling and to defend other people. The force that they use must be reasonable and must fit the circumstances, it must be considered in relation to the threat that they're facing," Det Insp Hitch said.


So basically, 80+ year old seniors with a little bit of skill and enough sense to defense themselves are being 2nd guessed about the amount of force they used by their a well armed force of men who couldn't even stop/prevent such an event from continuing on to begin with.
 
2012-10-27 02:58:31 AM  
Grammar in the headline.. It hurts my head.
 
2012-10-27 03:01:02 AM  

a P-Plater??

 
2012-10-27 03:01:31 AM  
He kept a lounge room for security?

Sounds unwieldy.
 
2012-10-27 03:01:51 AM  
FTA: "Police have warned homeowners that while they have a right to defend themselves from intruders only "reasonable" force should be used."

Remember that next time you're coming off your doughnut-induced sugar rush and taser a protestor because he won't move when you tell him to. Remember that next time you and the rest of your goon squad put 10 bullets into some guy who was just reaching for his wallet.

farking pigs.
 
2012-10-27 03:02:26 AM  
DNRTFA, but imagining some asshole running into a giant knife wielding korean war survivor who grew up on the streets (what side? He says ours but you never know) with two whirling balisongs.
 
2012-10-27 03:06:33 AM  
FTFA: Police have warned homeowners that while they have a right to defend themselves from intruders only "reasonable" force should be used.

Police have warned potential burglars that if they decide to break the law then they have forfeited their rights and if they get badly hurt or killed in the process of burglary, then farking hallelujah, you farking piece of shiat. Have a nice day.

FTFY.
 
2012-10-27 03:09:21 AM  
GOOD ON THAT MAN for not taking shiat. How the police here love to make it clear that you are advised to stay seated while your house is robbed. I would happily kill someone doing that in my home, even if i went to jail. Id do it to raise awareness even.

Its a shame the old man had to say he ran into the blade to protect himself from prosecution.
 
2012-10-27 03:39:49 AM  
As my old karate instructor used to say "If you kill them, there's only one police report."
 
2012-10-27 03:40:15 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "People have a right to take action to defend their own person, to defend their dwelling and to defend other people. The force that they use must be reasonable and must fit the circumstances, it must be considered in relation to the threat that they're facing," Det Insp Hitch said.

With all due respect, this is bullsh*t. The homeowners were 83 and 76. If you invade the home of an old couple like that, you deserve anything they can do to you. In this case, it was a knife wound. Too bad it wasn't a shotgun blast to the face.

I don't like it when law enforcement takes it upon themselves to publicly second-guess the actions of the victims of home invasions. When someone breaks into your house, they get what they get. All bets are off at that point. It's hypocritical for police to say anything considering the way they handle even the slightest hint of a threat to themselves.


Very well said. I think it rocks that the old boy Farked him up!
 
2012-10-27 04:03:17 AM  

Buffet: Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "People have a right to take action to defend their own person, to defend their dwelling and to defend other people. The force that they use must be reasonable and must fit the circumstances, it must be considered in relation to the threat that they're facing," Det Insp Hitch said.

With all due respect, this is bullsh*t. The homeowners were 83 and 76. If you invade the home of an old couple like that, you deserve anything they can do to you. In this case, it was a knife wound. Too bad it wasn't a shotgun blast to the face.

I don't like it when law enforcement takes it upon themselves to publicly second-guess the actions of the victims of home invasions. When someone breaks into your house, they get what they get. All bets are off at that point. It's hypocritical for police to say anything considering the way they handle even the slightest hint of a threat to themselves.

Very well said. I think it rocks that the old boy Farked him up!


Damn straight!

I'm not going to make any claims about being some martial arts master or total badass who doesn't take shiat from anybody. But I'll be damned if I ever sit cowering in fear in my own home, waiting to see if someone that just broke in actually poses a threat to the safety of my children. I doubt that's an unusual response from *any* parent. You'd better bet those motherly instincts are going into overdrive. At the bare minimum I'd try to use enough force to render the criminal unconscious.

/Don't want to give the impression I think only parents have the right to defend their family from a home invasion. I think everyone should be able to do whatever's necessary to protect themselves.
 
2012-10-27 04:05:16 AM  

Gyrfalcon: As my old karate instructor used to say "If you kill them, there's only one police report."


Words of wisdom. This is why our friends in law enforcement are taught the art of the double tap. It's today's version of the old pirates "dead men tell no tales".

I've watched a lot of movies based on people who lived their lives in NJ & NY. I've learned to always have two properly dug holes covered and ready, disposable plastic drop cloths are your friends and to buy two bottles of Drano every time you food shop. lye, not lyme. An everyday object like the full size MagLite flashlight can double as a lethal weaponself defense that is perfectly reasonable to have in your home and Cadillac. "Be prepared".
 
2012-10-27 04:14:08 AM  

KrispyKritter: An everyday object like the full size MagLite flashlight can double as a lethal weaponself defense that is perfectly reasonable to have in your home and Cadillac. "Be prepared".


"Tactical" flashlights are clumsy and awkward, just my humble opinion. I keep a meat tenderizer under the front seat of my car. (The solid one piece metal hammer shaped thingy, with rubberized non slip grip, you can find in any grocery store.)
 
2012-10-27 04:38:04 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I keep a meat tenderizer


I keep one of those in my nightstand. Presumably for the same purpose.

/For pounding meat, of course.
 
2012-10-27 06:26:04 AM  

bmihura: This is why it is a good idea to live in Texas, instead of Cali or such.


West Virginia is also a castle doctrine state. Say what you want but don't go thru that front door uninvited.
/or the window.
//or the back door.
 
2012-10-27 06:27:08 AM  

GungFu: FTFA: Police have warned homeowners that while they have a right to defend themselves from intruders only "reasonable" force should be used.

Police have warned potential burglars that if they decide to break the law then they have forfeited their rights and if they get badly hurt or killed in the process of burglary, then farking hallelujah, you farking piece of shiat. Have a nice day.

FTFY.


I have the theory that if they weren't breaking they wouldn't have been injured. Simple really.

F22raptom: GOOD ON THAT MAN for not taking shiat. How the police here love to make it clear that you are advised to stay seated while your house is robbed. I would happily kill someone doing that in my home, even if i went to jail. Id do it to raise awareness even.

Its a shame the old man had to say he ran into the blade to protect himself from prosecution.


That amused me. I wonder how many times he fell onto the knife?
Slippery floors, etc.
 
2012-10-27 06:55:45 AM  
Yeah, Farkers just love us old folks - when we cut, shoot, or beat somebody.
The rest of the time they want to cut Social Security off and stick us on an ice flow.
 
2012-10-27 07:26:18 AM  
Dear sh*tbag criminal,

How do you think he GOT that old?

Dumbass.

Sincerely.
 
2012-10-27 07:56:04 AM  

Dimensio: Any state that asserts that deadly force is not "reasonable" force to use against a demonstrably criminal home invader is corrupt and should be overthrown.


We like it this way. This guy has no issues as he is 80+ so the force used was appropriate. On the other hand, if some shortarse broke into my house when me and 6 mates are watching rugby - I don't have free reign to cut him open. I wouldn't need to, because 7 guys can handle it without life threatening force. The object is to protect ourselves and our property - not to be judge, jury and executioner.
 
2012-10-27 07:59:20 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "People have a right to take action to defend their own person, to defend their dwelling and to defend other people. The force that they use must be reasonable and must fit the circumstances, it must be considered in relation to the threat that they're facing," Det Insp Hitch said.

With all due respect, this is bullsh*t. The homeowners were 83 and 76. If you invade the home of an old couple like that, you deserve anything they can do to you. In this case, it was a knife wound. Too bad it wasn't a shotgun blast to the face.

I don't like it when law enforcement takes it upon themselves to publicly second-guess the actions of the victims of home invasions. When someone breaks into your house, they get what they get. All bets are off at that point. It's hypocritical for police to say anything considering the way they handle even the slightest hint of a threat to themselves.


I'm inclined to agree. It seems to me that the person more likely to use unreasonable force is the intruder, not the homeowner. Especially with shiat like bath salts and just plain crazy sociopaths roaming around. I don't think we need the police to protect us from ourselves in these cases.
 
2012-10-27 08:38:32 AM  

casual disregard: It seems to me that the person more likely to use unreasonable force is the intruder, not the homeowner. Especially with shiat like bath salts and just plain crazy sociopaths roaming around. I don't think we need the police to protect us from ourselves in these cases.


This.
Nothing shows a culmination of bad life decisions more clearly than breaking into someone elses home.
At that point the weight of the law shouldn't be on homeowners to justify their actions.
 
2012-10-27 10:23:48 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: He said he confronted the intruder and told him he had a knife, but the man tried to push past him and ran onto the blade.

As the only sentence describing the confrontation, this is just confusing.
He ran "onto the blade"? Did the guy just hold the knife out and the dude tried to limbo under it and lose? 

I guess you can't go into detail when you're already selling the story as a kung fu hero tale.


Actually, it makes sense. The criminal probably assumed the guy was bluffing and simply tried to run him down.
 
2012-10-27 10:29:09 AM  
The older you are the more likely you are to have earned a black belt. You might be out of practice but they don't have expiration dates and doing exercise doesn't generally make you less healthy.
 
2012-10-27 02:46:24 PM  
Well considering that he didn't use his martial arts skills to subdue the burglar, what's the point of mentioning them in the article?
 
2012-10-27 02:56:49 PM  

zzrhardy: Dimensio: Any state that asserts that deadly force is not "reasonable" force to use against a demonstrably criminal home invader is corrupt and should be overthrown.

We like it this way. This guy has no issues as he is 80+ so the force used was appropriate. On the other hand, if some shortarse broke into my house when me and 6 mates are watching rugby - I don't have free reign to cut him open. I wouldn't need to, because 7 guys can handle it without life threatening force. The object is to protect ourselves and our property - not to be judge, jury and executioner.


Allowing a government entity to determine, after the fact, whether force used to subdue an intruder was "reasonable" despite the investigators not being present at the scene is unreasonable. Any government that does not recognize "deadly force" as "reasonable" against a criminal home invader is corrupt. That you "like" the condition of a corrupt government does not alter the corruption.
 
2012-10-27 05:05:31 PM  

bunner: Dear sh*tbag criminal,

How do you think he GOT that old?

Dumbass.

Sincerely.


I'm always so sorry when I check these the next day.

+1 and a cookie.
 
2012-10-27 06:19:25 PM  
Is this another sumbass starting shiat with a Ghurka story? too lazy to RTFA
 
2012-10-28 07:05:48 AM  
Look, if they didn't want to spend their lives in a cold sub-cellar being chained to a wall and used for strange scientific experiments, well, they shouldn't have broken in to my house.
'Scuse me, gotta stock up on lime. And air freshener.
 
2012-10-28 08:30:25 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "People have a right to take action to defend their own person, to defend their dwelling and to defend other people. The force that they use must be reasonable and must fit the circumstances, it must be considered in relation to the threat that they're facing," Det Insp Hitch said.

With all due respect, this is bullsh*t. The homeowners were 83 and 76. If you invade the home of an old couple like that, you deserve anything they can do to you. In this case, it was a knife wound. Too bad it wasn't a shotgun blast to the face.

I don't like it when law enforcement takes it upon themselves to publicly second-guess the actions of the victims of home invasions. When someone breaks into your house, they get what they get. All bets are off at that point. It's hypocritical for police to say anything considering the way they handle even the slightest hint of a threat to themselves.


I think you're reading too much into it. The officer was recounting the law. What he said could very well mean that a 83 and 76 year old would be justified in shooting the invader dead whereas a younger couple confronting a 13-year old might not be.
 
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