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2012-10-27 01:32:22 AM  
FTFA: "You worry that a story like this will make people think there is something dangerous about the flu vaccine, and that is definitely not the case. This is an abundance of caution."

You seem to forget what kinds of stupid there are out there when dealing with A) Vaccines; B) Big Pharma; C) Government recalls or D) All of the above
 
2012-10-27 01:55:50 AM  
Neat.
 
2012-10-27 02:06:53 AM  
Flu shots come in smooth and chunky?

/who knew?
 
2012-10-27 04:20:45 AM  

the_sidewinder: FTFA: "You worry that a story like this will make people think there is something dangerous about the flu vaccine, and that is definitely not the case. This is an abundance of caution."

You seem to forget what kinds of stupid there are out there when dealing with A) Vaccines; B) Big Pharma; C) Government recalls or D) All of the above


I interpreted that as stepping around any liability.
 
2012-10-27 05:15:57 AM  
Deregulation, defending of regulatory agencies, and self oversight lead to this type of incident. Profit driven industries cannot regulate themselves.

Elections have consequences. Remember next time you pro-business idiots want to trade dollars today for innocent lives tomorrow.
 
2012-10-27 05:17:37 AM  
Seems like they don't know what the particles are yet. I'm always comforted when people with advanced lab equipment say that!
 
2012-10-27 05:22:57 AM  

the_sidewinder: FTFA: "You worry that a story like this will make people think there is something dangerous about the flu vaccine, and that is definitely not the case. This is an abundance of caution."

You seem to forget what kinds of stupid there are out there when dealing with A) Vaccines; B) Big Pharma; C) Government recalls or D) All of the above


Not forgetting what happens when Big Pharma owns the health industry.
 
2012-10-27 05:24:10 AM  
Im not sayin its aliens....
 
2012-10-27 05:31:58 AM  
Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu? People that can't fight a flu safely, sure by all means. But healthy adults? I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.

Seems like everyone is doing it now.
Did the flu get super evil?
Or is this just how the lizard people get the H.A.R.P. activated radio transmitters into all of us.?

I'm down for the normal vaccinations, keeping up on tetanus, stuff like that. But why the orgy for flu vaccines?

/I remember a few years ago my at the time roomate and gf went and got flu shots.
//Two weeks later one got the flu and then shortly after the both of us did.
///I said "wtf, you got flu shots right?"... "oh, this was probably just a different strain"
 
2012-10-27 05:35:51 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu? People that can't fight a flu safely, sure by all means. But healthy adults? I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.

Seems like everyone is doing it now.
Did the flu get super evil?
Or is this just how the lizard people get the H.A.R.P. activated radio transmitters into all of us.?

I'm down for the normal vaccinations, keeping up on tetanus, stuff like that. But why the orgy for flu vaccines?

/I remember a few years ago my at the time roomate and gf went and got flu shots.
//Two weeks later one got the flu and then shortly after the both of us did.
///I said "wtf, you got flu shots right?"... "oh, this was probably just a different strain"


I have a really good immune system, and haven't had the flu for years and years and years. But I get a flu shot every year because a lot of the people I work with are old and frail and have low resistance to getting sick. Even though I don't get the flu, it's still possible to be a carrier, so I still have to be careful.
 
2012-10-27 05:39:12 AM  
I realized last night that the flu shot clinic in my neighbourhood was held last week. Now I don't feel so bad about missing it.
 
2012-10-27 05:40:03 AM  

nmemkha: Deregulation, defending of regulatory agencies, and self oversight lead to this type of incident. Profit driven industries cannot regulate themselves.

Elections have consequences. Remember next time you pro-business idiots want to trade dollars today for innocent lives tomorrow.


Surely! And if we give one more billion to stop poverty, 'twill surely be done, amirite?
 
2012-10-27 05:40:59 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu? People that can't fight a flu safely, sure by all means. But healthy adults? I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.

Seems like everyone is doing it now.
Did the flu get super evil?
Or is this just how the lizard people get the H.A.R.P. activated radio transmitters into all of us.?

I'm down for the normal vaccinations, keeping up on tetanus, stuff like that. But why the orgy for flu vaccines?

/I remember a few years ago my at the time roomate and gf went and got flu shots.
//Two weeks later one got the flu and then shortly after the both of us did.
///I said "wtf, you got flu shots right?"... "oh, this was probably just a different strain"


You are aware that influenza can kill healthy people right? And that the more people that are immune to it, the less chance there is of spreading it to someone with a weakened immune system?
 
2012-10-27 05:43:41 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu?


Nope. I've never had a flu shot. Partially because I don't like needles, and partially because my immune system is functioning as it should so I'd rather let it fend for itself. Also in the back of my mind I know there's a real possibility, slim though it may be, that the vaccine will actually give me the flu.

I can understand elderly people, those with compromised immune systems, or even those that work in the health care industry getting flu vaccines, though. That makes sense to me.
 
2012-10-27 05:51:43 AM  

Yes this is dog: You are aware that influenza can kill healthy people right? And that the more people that are immune to it, the less chance there is of spreading it to someone with a weakened immune system?


It's possible but extremely rare. And the thing about the flu virus is it's constantly mutating. There's no way to vaccinate against every strain, and logistically it doesn't make sense for most people to get the shot. It's best to save the finite supply of vaccines for those that have compromised immune systems and those that have regular contact with compromised individuals, like health care workers.

Sure, if there's plenty to go around I say let anyone who wants it receive that vaccine. But if supplies are short, as is often the case, save the limited supply for those that really need it.
 
2012-10-27 06:04:00 AM  

NannyStatePark: Seems like they don't know what the particles are yet. I'm always comforted when people with advanced lab equipment say that!


Hell yeah, whats wrong with you science? You should have a big ass miracle oven that you can just put shiat in and a computer will tell you everything you haven't discovered.

fark process!
 
2012-10-27 06:06:03 AM  
I self medicate and I'm antisocial, so I'm cool

/only cockroaches and recluses
 
2012-10-27 06:07:17 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu? People that can't fight a flu safely, sure by all means. But healthy adults? I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.

Seems like everyone is doing it now.
Did the flu get super evil?
Or is this just how the lizard people get the H.A.R.P. activated radio transmitters into all of us.?

I'm down for the normal vaccinations, keeping up on tetanus, stuff like that. But why the orgy for flu vaccines?

/I remember a few years ago my at the time roomate and gf went and got flu shots.
//Two weeks later one got the flu and then shortly after the both of us did.
///I said "wtf, you got flu shots right?"... "oh, this was probably just a different strain"


Nope I'm with you.
I got a flu shot years ago, and spent thanksgiving with the flu, the escalated to pneumonia.
I'll take my chances with washing my hands, and not living my life like Monk. Screw it, things happen, take your vitamins, eat your veggies, rinse with whiskey or wine.
 
2012-10-27 06:08:26 AM  

Neondistraction: MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu?

Nope. I've never had a flu shot. Partially because I don't like needles, and partially because my immune system is functioning as it should so I'd rather let it fend for itself. Also in the back of my mind I know there's a real possibility, slim though it may be, that the vaccine will actually give me the flu.

I can understand elderly people, those with compromised immune systems, or even those that work in the health care industry getting flu vaccines, though. That makes sense to me.



Just be aware that the world isn't always that simple.

There is a reason that you need a new flu shot every year- the viruses that cause influenza mutate constantly. Viruses love to swap genetic material, and do so with great abandon. The net result- last years flu shot is pretty much ineffective against the newest strains this year. The virus strains are so different that your immune system doesn't recognize the new strain.

Where to such promiscuous viruses hang out? Birds are a common pick-up joint in the virus world. Birds are vulnerable to many of the same viruses that plague humans, and they tend to live in crowded conditions. This is why so many strains of new flu bugs are thought to originate in areas where people and birds live close together-Chinese poultry farmers being the obvious example.

But viruses second favorite hangout joint is you. So lets say this years hot new flu virus sets up shop in your mucous membranes. You may get the flu, might have the sniffles for a few days, or maybe even get no symptoms at all. But those viruses along with a whole assortment of other viruses, are doing the nasty. The net result? After a few days, you are the proud host of new viral strains.

Most of them are harmless. And just about all the rest are close enough to viruses that you have immunity to that your immune system will recognize them and wipe them out. But viruses play a numbers game- give them several trillionchances to breed, and the odds are good that sooner or later at least one new strain will develop that humans have no built up immunity to, and have some serious ability to cause harm.

This is where the vaccine comes in. The more viruses your immune system has been sensitized to, the less chances the viruses have to mingle. Think of it as more chaperone at the high school dance-every time some virus puts the move on another, a 250lb history teacher knocks them senseless.

So by not being immunized to this years flu, you are essentially helping create next years flu bug. Chances are it will be about as serious as this years. But again, viruses play the numbers game. Sooner or later a virus will show up with the ability to transmit through the air, really mess with a persons lungs, and cause havoc. The last time was the "Spanish Flu" that wiped out millions.
 
2012-10-27 06:09:50 AM  

Antagonism: NannyStatePark: Seems like they don't know what the particles are yet. I'm always comforted when people with advanced lab equipment say that!

Hell yeah, whats wrong with you science? You should have a big ass miracle oven that you can just put shiat in and a computer will tell you everything you haven't discovered.

fark process!


Actually, mass spectrometry is pretty awesome. So are electron microscopes.
 
2012-10-27 06:10:53 AM  
NannyStatePark:

Seems like they don't know what the particles are yet. I'm always comforted when people with advanced lab equipment say that!

Uh, yeah.

I get one as a matter of course when they're given away free by the health dept. or covered by my plan. I got this year's already.

Am I turning green-&-purple polka-dotted or is it the light in here? And why do I crave a kerosene enema?
 
2012-10-27 06:24:36 AM  

mr_a: There is a reason that you need a new flu shot every year- the viruses that cause influenza mutate constantly. Viruses love to swap genetic material, and do so with great abandon.


+1 interesting post

So why is it that regular flu shots are prevalent now vs historically?

Is it population density giving rise to more mutations thus more dangerous viruses? Technology has finally gotten to the point where it's feasible?

Your argument makes all the sense in the world and I'm inclined to believe it at face value. I might even get a flu shot now that I've given it a 2nd thought

However, with exception to those that obviously should get vaccinated. (the weaker and those that work with them)
... part of me thinks this is just the new way pharma has decided to make $$ and things can't possibly be significantly worse than they were in the 80's when we all just bought chicken soup and took our chances on getting it.
 
2012-10-27 06:25:28 AM  

MurphyMurphy: I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.


It can be more than a couple of days if you actually catch influenza (vs. some other random virus). I had the real thing about 12 years ago and it kicked my ass for more than a week. I could barely walk from my bed to the bathroom.
 
2012-10-27 06:29:10 AM  
The chunks don't concern me too much, but that green fluorescence glow is quite disturbing.
 
2012-10-27 06:29:44 AM  
You people that had the flu after getting a flu shot probably didn't actually have the flu. That's why they call it flu-like symptoms rather than the actual flu. Influenza is serious shiat. You had something else.
 
2012-10-27 06:32:26 AM  

Neondistraction: Yes this is dog: You are aware that influenza can kill healthy people right? And that the more people that are immune to it, the less chance there is of spreading it to someone with a weakened immune system?

It's possible but extremely rare. And the thing about the flu virus is it's constantly mutating. There's no way to vaccinate against every strain, and logistically it doesn't make sense for most people to get the shot. It's best to save the finite supply of vaccines for those that have compromised immune systems and those that have regular contact with compromised individuals, like health care workers.

Sure, if there's plenty to go around I say let anyone who wants it receive that vaccine. But if supplies are short, as is often the case, save the limited supply for those that really need it.


I agree fully that it should be rationed based on need when supplies are short. But in regards to it mutating, a vaccine for one strand will often help with immunization to other strands, and the immunization/resistance will stay with a person several years. If you are getting the shot each year, then you are very well protected from the virus, and because of which, are tremendously less likely of spreading it to anyone else, like someone with a weakened immune system who just didn't happen to get the vaccine them self.
 
2012-10-27 06:39:29 AM  

Ivo Shandor: MurphyMurphy: I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.

It can be more than a couple of days if you actually catch influenza (vs. some other random virus). I had the real thing about 12 years ago and it kicked my ass for more than a week. I could barely walk from my bed to the bathroom.


I've been floored with it a few times, usually the worst only lasts a couple days for me. Dad is the same way.

Mom and Sis? They seem to get a whole week long affair with it.

There was that one time I thought I had the flu for 2 solid weeks, but that turned out to be stage 3 Hodgkin's. Lol, I won't make that mistake again!

/glad to be around to lol about it today
 
2012-10-27 06:39:48 AM  
I have a really rotten cold just in time for the long weekend, so I'm getting a kick etc
 
2012-10-27 06:45:23 AM  

mr_a: Neondistraction:[...]
There is a reason that you need a new flu shot every year- the viruses that cause influenza mutate constantly. Viruses love to swap genetic material, and do so with great abandon. The net result- last years flu shot is pretty much ineffective against the newest strains this year.[...]

The one problem I've read is that this year's flu shot may be pretty much ineffective against the newest strains this year, for much the same reason.


Production of the vaccine takes time, so pharmaceutical companies have to guess as which strains are going to show up in the upcoming flu season so they can make vaccines for it. By the time the vaccines are available for the annual vaccine manufacturer blow-out sale, it may be the case that some other collection of flu strains is spreading through the population instead. I'd be interested in seeing some peer-reviewed studies showing how good they are at these guesses, or even just how much of an effect the current yearly flu-vaccine campaigns actually have on flu season. (I'd be surprised if at least the latter wasn't out there somewhere, if anyone has any links let me know...)

 
2012-10-27 06:58:18 AM  

bigstoopidbruce: nmemkha: Deregulation, defending of regulatory agencies, and self oversight lead to this type of incident. Profit driven industries cannot regulate themselves.

Elections have consequences. Remember next time you pro-business idiots want to trade dollars today for innocent lives tomorrow.

Surely! And if we give one more billion to stop poverty, 'twill surely be done, amirite?


Not just a clever name, huh?
 
2012-10-27 07:02:56 AM  

MurphyMurphy: mr_a: There is a reason that you need a new flu shot every year- the viruses that cause influenza mutate constantly. Viruses love to swap genetic material, and do so with great abandon.

+1 interesting post

So why is it that regular flu shots are prevalent now vs historically?

Is it population density giving rise to more mutations thus more dangerous viruses? Technology has finally gotten to the point where it's feasible?

Murph-not really sure-I am not a Doctor, just read a bit.

Certainly the rise of air travel has helped spread viruses. Not only do they coop people up for hours in a relatively close environment, but they also transplant people to places with new virus strains for which they are not immune. Also-iincreased population and travel in places where humans and birds share space (Hong Kong and China are often mentioned) helps out the viruses.

We also have more people walking around with compromised immune systems. People routinely survive diseases with weakened immune (think cancer) that previously would have killed them. Also more old people-more sensitive to pneumonia- handing around

The phenomenon we are talking about is called herd immunity-google away. Basically it says than when some percentage of the population is immune to a virus, that virus can no longer mutate fast enough to stay ahead of the herd's combined immune systems. I have seen all sorts of numbers for this percentage, but 70% seems to stick in my mind.

 
2012-10-27 07:06:19 AM  

nmemkha: Deregulation, defending of regulatory agencies, and self oversight lead to this type of incident. Profit driven industries cannot regulate themselves.

Elections have consequences. Remember next time you pro-business idiots want to trade dollars today for innocent lives tomorrow.


newsflash, both dems and GOP are owned by big business. Where do you think they get all those campaign funds?
 
2012-10-27 07:08:20 AM  

Epicanis: mr_a: Neondistraction:[...]
There is a reason that you need a new flu shot every year- the viruses that cause influenza mutate constantly. Viruses love to swap genetic material, and do so with great abandon. The net result- last years flu shot is pretty much ineffective against the newest strains this year.[...]
The one problem I've read is that this year's flu shot may be pretty much ineffective against the newest strains this year, for much the same reason.
Production of the vaccine takes time, so pharmaceutical companies have to guess as which strains are going to show up in the upcoming flu season so they can make vaccines for it. By the time the vaccines are available for the annual vaccine manufacturer blow-out sale, it may be the case that some other collection of flu strains is spreading through the population instead. I'd be interested in seeing some peer-reviewed studies showing how good they are at these guesses, or even just how much of an effect the current yearly flu-vaccine campaigns actually have on flu season. (I'd be surprised if at least the latter wasn't out there somewhere, if anyone has any links let me know...)


There was an excellent article in The Economist about this whole subject-maybe a year go-sorry, don't have a link.

My recollection from that article was that pharma companies were usually pretty good at predicting the strain, but occasionally have a few misses. Don't forget that the flu season in the Southern Hemisphere is 6 months reversed from the North, which sort of helps with the guessing game.

The point you make is exactly why the CDC wants everyone vaccinated. It slows down the mutation of viruses, giving them less chance of "outrunning" the current years vaccine.
 
2012-10-27 07:20:01 AM  

nmemkha: Deregulation, defending of regulatory agencies, and self oversight lead to this type of incident. Profit driven industries cannot regulate themselves.

Elections have consequences. Remember next time you pro-business idiots want to trade dollars today for innocent lives tomorrow.


So you're anti-business? As in socialist? Let's just have the government run all the industries, because that's worked so well everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism has plenty of faults, but it's the only one that's worked so far.
 
2012-10-27 07:21:32 AM  

Sass-O-Rev: I have a really good immune system, and haven't had the flu for years and years and years. But I get a flu shot every year because a lot of the people I work with are old and frail and have low resistance to getting sick.


That's no way to get a promotion.
 
2012-10-27 07:44:19 AM  

lunkhed: Not forgetting what happens when Big Pharma owns the health industry.


Woohoo! We have our first one!

Please, Regale us with your NaturalNews and Infowars links.
 
2012-10-27 07:48:01 AM  

Basily Gourt: nmemkha: Deregulation, defending of regulatory agencies, and self oversight lead to this type of incident. Profit driven industries cannot regulate themselves.

Elections have consequences. Remember next time you pro-business idiots want to trade dollars today for innocent lives tomorrow.

So you're anti-business? As in socialist? Let's just have the government run all the industries, because that's worked so well everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism has plenty of faults, but it's the only one that's worked so far.


Roight. If you don't believe in Randian dog-eat-dog Devil-take-the-hindmost capitalism you must be some sort of Stalinist who wants to take everyone's money and give it to the welfare queens.
 
2012-10-27 07:49:42 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu? People that can't fight a flu safely, sure by all means. But healthy adults? I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.

Seems like everyone is doing it now.
Did the flu get super evil?
Or is this just how the lizard people get the H.A.R.P. activated radio transmitters into all of us.?

I'm down for the normal vaccinations, keeping up on tetanus, stuff like that. But why the orgy for flu vaccines?

/I remember a few years ago my at the time roomate and gf went and got flu shots.
//Two weeks later one got the flu and then shortly after the both of us did.
///I said "wtf, you got flu shots right?"... "oh, this was probably just a different strain"


I don't get the flu shot and I don't get one for my six year old son. His doctor told me that as long as he's healthy (no comprimised immune system ) he shouldn't need to get them.
/ not anti-vaccine
 
2012-10-27 08:03:48 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Basily Gourt: nmemkha: Deregulation, defending of regulatory agencies, and self oversight lead to this type of incident. Profit driven industries cannot regulate themselves.

Elections have consequences. Remember next time you pro-business idiots want to trade dollars today for innocent lives tomorrow.

So you're anti-business? As in socialist? Let's just have the government run all the industries, because that's worked so well everywhere it's been tried.

Capitalism has plenty of faults, but it's the only one that's worked so far.

Roight. If you don't believe in Randian dog-eat-dog Devil-take-the-hindmost capitalism you must be some sort of Stalinist who wants to take everyone's money and give it to the welfare queens.


Let me re-quote nmemkha "you pro-business idiots want to trade dollars today for innocent lives tomorrow" 

Are you two having a "who's the bigger idiot" contest?
 
2012-10-27 08:08:46 AM  

bill4935: Sass-O-Rev: I have a really good immune system, and haven't had the flu for years and years and years. But I get a flu shot every year because a lot of the people I work with are old and frail and have low resistance to getting sick.

That's no way to get a promotion.


Now this is the kind of creative thinking from Fark that I can support!
 
2012-10-27 08:18:42 AM  
Sounds like a job for Rainbow Six
 
2012-10-27 08:40:41 AM  

MurphyMurphy: mr_a: There is a reason that you need a new flu shot every year- the viruses that cause influenza mutate constantly. Viruses love to swap genetic material, and do so with great abandon.

+1 interesting post

So why is it that regular flu shots are prevalent now vs historically?

Is it population density giving rise to more mutations thus more dangerous viruses? Technology has finally gotten to the point where it's feasible?

Your argument makes all the sense in the world and I'm inclined to believe it at face value. I might even get a flu shot now that I've given it a 2nd thought

However, with exception to those that obviously should get vaccinated. (the weaker and those that work with them)
... part of me thinks this is just the new way pharma has decided to make $$ and things can't possibly be significantly worse than they were in the 80's when we all just bought chicken soup and took our chances on getting it.


I have never had a flu shot
/still waiting to see if I will ever contract the flu
 
2012-10-27 08:41:19 AM  

MurphyMurphy:
However, with exception to those that obviously should get vaccinated. (the weaker and those that work with them)
... part of me thinks this is just the new way pharma has decided to make $$ and things can't possibly be significantly worse than they were in the 80's when we all just bought chicken soup and took our chances on getting it.


The concern in recent years has been due to some very rapid changes in social (and thus physical) mobility around the world, combined with the emergence of flu strains that transmit through the air and can kill.

In particular, the flu, in its "normal" seasonal infections, causes a mortality curve that looks like a U: High (or higher) death rates among the very young and the very old, but people in their 20-40s have almost no deaths. Several years ago, the H1N1 virus made a splash because of how easily it transmitted and how quickly people were being overcome by it. Plus, it had a mortality curve that looked like a W: High rates amongst the very young, the very old, and a spike in the deaths of those in the 20-40s. Those sorts of rates are seen from flu epidemics, such as the Spanish Flu from the start of the 20th century.

So, it's definitely not pharma cashing it. There's a very real demand for it.

PBS had a 1 hour special on the H1N1 flu back in 2008. It was called "Anatomy of a Pandemic." It's highly worth your time to watch.
 
2012-10-27 09:18:26 AM  

Sass-O-Rev: MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu? People that can't fight a flu safely, sure by all means. But healthy adults? I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.

Seems like everyone is doing it now.
Did the flu get super evil?
Or is this just how the lizard people get the H.A.R.P. activated radio transmitters into all of us.?

I'm down for the normal vaccinations, keeping up on tetanus, stuff like that. But why the orgy for flu vaccines?

/I remember a few years ago my at the time roomate and gf went and got flu shots.
//Two weeks later one got the flu and then shortly after the both of us did.
///I said "wtf, you got flu shots right?"... "oh, this was probably just a different strain"

I have a really good immune system, and haven't had the flu for years and years and years. But I get a flu shot every year because a lot of the people I work with are old and frail and have low resistance to getting sick. Even though I don't get the flu, it's still possible to be a carrier, so I still have to be careful.


THIS

/I'm a Plumbing and Heating guy, so my immune system is probably on par with Mike Rowe's. ( I GIVE rusty nails Tetanus)
//I get my flu AND pneumonia shots every year so I don't carry it to any of my clients, many are elderly/frail/immune-depressed. (I often work with local charities)
///If I get some "flu-like" symptoms after the shots......oh well............small price to pay and my immune system will now recognize the flu and kill it quickly
 
2012-10-27 09:34:29 AM  

Neondistraction: MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu?

Nope. I've never had a flu shot. Partially because I don't like needles, and partially because my immune system is functioning as it should so I'd rather let it fend for itself. Also in the back of my mind I know there's a real possibility, slim though it may be, that the vaccine will actually give me the flu.


The flu shot is a killed virus so it can't give you the flu. It's theoretically possible with the nasal spray, which is attenuated but not killed.
 
2012-10-27 09:44:52 AM  

G.I.R.B.: //I get my flu AND pneumonia shots every year so I don't carry it to any of my clients, many are elderly/frail/immune-depressed. (I often work with local charities)


You know you only need a max of 2 pneumonia shots in a lifetime, if you are 65 or older, or otherwise immune compromised, right?
 
2012-10-27 09:55:31 AM  

Broktun: G.I.R.B.: //I get my flu AND pneumonia shots every year so I don't carry it to any of my clients, many are elderly/frail/immune-depressed. (I often work with local charities)

You know you only need a max of 2 pneumonia shots in a lifetime, if you are 65 or older, or otherwise immune compromised, right?


You are correct.

I still do it anyway, my wife died from pneumonia complications.
 
2012-10-27 09:57:53 AM  

MurphyMurphy: Am I the only one that doesn't get immunized for the flu? People that can't fight a flu safely, sure by all means. But healthy adults? I'd rather get sick for a couple days vs getting shots I probably don't need.

Seems like everyone is doing it now.
Did the flu get super evil?
Or is this just how the lizard people get the H.A.R.P. activated radio transmitters into all of us.?

I'm down for the normal vaccinations, keeping up on tetanus, stuff like that. But why the orgy for flu vaccines?

/I remember a few years ago my at the time roomate and gf went and got flu shots.
//Two weeks later one got the flu and then shortly after the both of us did.
///I said "wtf, you got flu shots right?"... "oh, this was probably just a different strain"


I don't get it, neither does my wife. But it's been years since I've had any type of cold. Hell, even when I smoked I didn't get sick often. Usually a fever, last a day and I'm fine.
 
2012-10-27 10:11:06 AM  

DrunkenInsomniac: Sounds like a job for Rainbow Six


This.

Reading the book now.
Love it!!!!
 
2012-10-27 10:32:39 AM  
Won't someone think of the stockholders.

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