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(BBC)   World's rarest dog at risk of extinction. Your dog wants a stake at life   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 83
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2012-10-26 09:43:42 PM  
Strange looking wolf. Still not good news.
/fan of canids
 
2012-10-26 11:08:54 PM  
meh
So species of wolves which will travel longer distance will survive and replace this species.
This is Darwin at his simplest. Niche species will always lose out to generalists. In the long term. Probably.
 
2012-10-26 11:13:09 PM  
Wolves are not dogs.
 
2012-10-26 11:51:12 PM  
That could mean moving male wolves between populations to trigger fresh breeding.

As opposed to the usual once-every-six-months at home with their cousins.
 
2012-10-26 11:52:09 PM  

crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.


Your wolf wants steak?
 
2012-10-26 11:54:16 PM  

crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.


I think the classification changed, and canis familiaris went away., so they're all canis.
 
2012-10-26 11:56:26 PM  

crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.


crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.


However, unlike Farkers of the same species, wolves and dogs can easily breed.
 
2012-10-26 11:59:43 PM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-27 12:00:21 AM  

UsikFark: crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.

crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.

However, unlike Farkers of the same species, wolves and dogs can easily breed.


You'd be surprised what canids can breed with. Somebody cross bred Hyenas with dogs, in order to produce a species of dog with even more sensitive smell capabilities.
 
2012-10-27 12:01:42 AM  
At first I thought it was some floofy pedigreed dog breed, so I thought, whatevs. Now I see it's a wolf, those things are awesome. Yes, I care.
 
2012-10-27 12:03:53 AM  
I was in the Ethiopian Highlands in 2011 and while I dearly wanted to go looking for these wolves, the altitude killed me. I was huffing and puffing up the slopes while donkeys and 80-year-old Ethiopian women sauntered past me.
 
2012-10-27 12:09:41 AM  

simplicimus: You'd be surprised what canids can breed with.


No thanks, I'll stick with humans! Beautiful wolves, though, you can see how sight hounds/Anubis came to be in that region.
 
2012-10-27 12:09:46 AM  

namatad: meh
So species of wolves which will travel longer distance will survive and replace this species.
This is Darwin at his simplest. Niche species will always lose out to generalists. In the long term. Probably.


Exactly! We've got to DO something!!
 
2012-10-27 12:11:12 AM  
FTA : Another major threat to their future comes from habitat loss and fragmentation, which may be accelerated by climate change.

The next ice age that rolls through could wipe them out entirely.
 
2012-10-27 12:11:45 AM  

UsikFark: simplicimus: You'd be surprised what canids can breed with.

No thanks, I'll stick with humans! Beautiful wolves, though, you can see how sight hounds/Anubis came to be in that region.


Speciest!
 
2012-10-27 12:12:48 AM  
So species of wolves which will travel longer distance will survive and replace this species.
This is Darwin at his simplest. Niche species will always lose out to generalists. In the long term. Probably.


And as long as you keep removing the niches, the species will disappear as well. There is no generalist to fill this spot. It's the Ethiopian wolf or a bunch of short, struggling grass and a few happy rodents.
 
2012-10-27 12:15:19 AM  

bugmn99: namatad: meh
So species of wolves which will travel longer distance will survive and replace this species.
This is Darwin at his simplest. Niche species will always lose out to generalists. In the long term. Probably.

Exactly! We've got to DO something!!


Seriously, this is like your last-chance to turn one into a handbag. Why let it slip away?
 
2012-10-27 12:17:15 AM  

whatshisname: So species of wolves which will travel longer distance will survive and replace this species.
This is Darwin at his simplest. Niche species will always lose out to generalists. In the long term. Probably.

And as long as you keep removing the niches, the species will disappear as well. There is no generalist to fill this spot. It's the Ethiopian wolf or a bunch of short, struggling grass and a few happy rodents.


Africa has the nastiest snakes in the world, snakes that will chase you when they feel footsteps. Sorry, Australia.
 
2012-10-27 12:18:10 AM  
Hey it's the Space Coyote..

rpmedia.ask.com
 
2012-10-27 12:20:25 AM  

UsikFark: Africa has the nastiest snakes in the world


Up where this wolf lives - no snakes. Weird-ass gelada baboons with James Brown hairdos, but no snakes.
 
2012-10-27 12:21:04 AM  
Looks like they've had a shiatty decade.

Race to save world's rarest wolf 10 NOVEMBER 2008, SCI/TECH
Vaccine hopes for Ethiopian wolf 11 OCTOBER 2006, SCI/TECH
Rabies ravages rare wolves 27 NOVEMBER 2003, SCI/TECH
 
2012-10-27 12:22:02 AM  

crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.

The name Canis means "dog" in Latin.
Wolves, dogs, and dingoes are subspecies of Canis lupus.


meh
The generic name Canis, properly translated into english would be dog.
If you are talking about the collective which included both wolves and dogs ...
meh

plus give that both are only subspecies, they certainly are close enough to have a collective name //

meh
who cares.
 
Skr
2012-10-27 12:25:00 AM  
Cool looking wolf. The coloring reminds me of a Fox.


/do a barrel roll
 
2012-10-27 12:27:28 AM  

crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.


Dumb farker. Wolves are not domestic dogs.

dumb farker.
 
2012-10-27 12:28:33 AM  
The Egyptian Wetterhoun is having the same problem.

We need to save the Egyptian Wetterhoun too.
 
2012-10-27 12:28:57 AM  
Sorry. Ignorant, not dumb.
 
2012-10-27 12:30:17 AM  

crabsno termites: crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.

Dumb farker. Wolves are not domestic dogs.

dumb farker.


Dumber Farker: Wolves are not domesticated dogs!
 
2012-10-27 12:30:37 AM  

whatshisname: So species of wolves which will travel longer distance will survive and replace this species.
This is Darwin at his simplest. Niche species will always lose out to generalists. In the long term. Probably.

And as long as you keep removing the niches, the species will disappear as well. There is no generalist to fill this spot. It's the Ethiopian wolf or a bunch of short, struggling grass and a few happy rodents.


mhmm
You mean none of the other canis lupus subspecies will ever migrate into that territory ever again???
I am not sure if you understand how darwin works.

meh
Some other canid/felis type predator will fill the niche.
Strangely enough, in order for new species to have room to evolve, old species have to go sooner or later.
 
2012-10-27 12:33:42 AM  
What do you do if you're being chased by Ethiopian wolves?
Run over a drain.
 
2012-10-27 12:35:35 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-27 12:39:01 AM  
Good thing the locals haven't traded recipes with Korea. They'd be found delicious.
 
2012-10-27 12:40:04 AM  

namatad: You mean none of the other canis lupus subspecies will ever migrate into that territory ever again???
I am not sure if you understand how darwin works.



Yeah, I understand it, and I've been there. Unless a farking Hyena or African Hunting Dog evolves to fill the niche, there's nothing coming any time soon. They're the only large predator left up there. Lower down you have Geladas, but they're generalists, omnivores and in no way a replacement for a large predator.
 
2012-10-27 12:40:46 AM  

Linkster: crabsno termites: crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.

Dumb farker. Wolves are not domestic dogs.

dumb farker.

Dumber Farker: Wolves are not domesticated dogs!


You are, of course, grammatically correct. Too many g&t. Point was made, though. An elementary course in Vert Zoo would impart the knowledge.
 
2012-10-27 12:43:53 AM  
On second thought, "domestic" = "domesticated", so fark you.

/G&T great stuff
 
2012-10-27 12:44:02 AM  

crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.


Actually, dogs and wolves are the same genus and species, canis lupus. Dogs have recently been redesignated as the subspecies C. lupus familiaris.

Probably what's going to happen with these animals is the same thing that happened with the Florida panther a few years back: After numerous attempts to save the subspecies, researchers had to give up and save the ecosystem predator instead and bring in the related Felis concolor to strengthen the gene pool, losing the subspecies. The same thing will likely happen here: They'll have to bring in the nearest related subspecies and lose the unique Ethiopian wolf to preserve the local predator. Or else allow it to become extinct in favor of whatever other local canid is dominant.

It happens.
 
2012-10-27 12:49:24 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre:


Move to where the farking food is!
 
2012-10-27 12:49:29 AM  

Gyrfalcon: crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.

Actually, dogs and wolves are the same genus and species, canis lupus. Dogs have recently been redesignated as the subspecies C. lupus familiaris.

Depends on whether you are a "lumper" or a "splitter" - some consider "Lupus" and "Domesticus" different species.

/Mine from the '70's

//old

//lawn, off

 
2012-10-27 12:50:25 AM  
Do you know what you call an Ethiopian with a dog?
...A vegetarian
 
2012-10-27 12:51:27 AM  

Gyrfalcon: The same thing will likely happen here: They'll have to bring in the nearest related subspecies and lose the unique Ethiopian wolf to preserve the local predator. Or else allow it to become extinct in favor of whatever other local canid is dominant.


There is no other wolf species in Africa. Once they're gone , they're gone. And there's no hyena or hunting dog that's going to climb that high.
 
2012-10-27 12:53:24 AM  

whatshisname: Gyrfalcon: The same thing will likely happen here: They'll have to bring in the nearest related subspecies and lose the unique Ethiopian wolf to preserve the local predator. Or else allow it to become extinct in favor of whatever other local canid is dominant.

There is no other wolf species in Africa. Once they're gone , they're gone. And there's no hyena or hunting dog that's going to climb that high.


GS the cape wolf - some interesting reading.
 
2012-10-27 12:55:52 AM  
it's a dog eat dog cliche, i guess

they sound way overspecialized, I'm afraid. what are the odds that one inbred male dropped amongst a bunch of other inbreds on a different mountain won't get unkind stares of the 'ya'll ain't from 'round here' sort and then killed?
 
2012-10-27 12:57:08 AM  

crabsno termites: whatshisname: Gyrfalcon: The same thing will likely happen here: They'll have to bring in the nearest related subspecies and lose the unique Ethiopian wolf to preserve the local predator. Or else allow it to become extinct in favor of whatever other local canid is dominant.

There is no other wolf species in Africa. Once they're gone , they're gone. And there's no hyena or hunting dog that's going to climb that high.

GS the cape wolf - some interesting reading.


About snakes, yes.
 
2012-10-27 12:58:31 AM  

Skr: Cool looking wolf. The coloring reminds me of a Fox.


That critter looks a LOT like the coyotes we have around here. Maybe we should hook 'em up?
 
2012-10-27 01:00:31 AM  

simplicimus: Somebody cross bred Hyenas with dogs, in order to produce a species of dog with even more sensitive smell capabilities.


Are you sure it was a hyena and not an African Wild Dog? Hyenas are about as closely related to dogs as tigers are.
 
2012-10-27 01:02:37 AM  

WordyGrrl: Skr: Cool looking wolf. The coloring reminds me of a Fox.


That critter looks a LOT like the coyotes we have around here. Maybe we should hook 'em up?


really? our coyotes are yellow/brown. 'cept the dogoytes but I stay the heck away from them.
 
2012-10-27 01:04:52 AM  
I don't know from dogs, but that animal has a handsome profile in that first pic in TFA.
 
2012-10-27 01:05:30 AM  
just need to know where to send that 19.00 every month and foxdog will be fine.

/can't wait to receive me silk screened official logo canvas tote
 
2012-10-27 01:07:44 AM  
What's the problem? Just call the EPA and have them handle it. They can introduce Canadian grey timberwolves. Now I know what you're thinking, that would be introducing an invasive species which is an apex predator and quite a bit larger than the wolf native to the area and thus going to eat itself out of house and home.

None of that stopped the introduction of the Canadian grey timberwolf into Yellowstone.

So yeah, toss some coyotes in while you're at it.
 
2012-10-27 01:08:14 AM  

Omahawg: WordyGrrl: Skr: Cool looking wolf. The coloring reminds me of a Fox.


That critter looks a LOT like the coyotes we have around here. Maybe we should hook 'em up?

really? our coyotes are yellow/brown. 'cept the dogoytes but I stay the heck away from them.


The color variation in coyotes is amazin. Have lived in PA, CO, OK, FL, AL, IA, NE, OR, and hunted in many other states, and seen from pale grey to almost black, and every color between. Wonderful thing, adaptation
 
2012-10-27 01:08:31 AM  
They had their chance here and, unless adaptation skills and some genetic luck prevail, enjoyed their stay with +99% of every other member of this ongoing party that left when the food and atmosphere wasn't to their liking. Sounds like most parties I've attended when the mood changed, just on a macroscopic scale.
 
2012-10-27 01:24:39 AM  
Alrighty, then.
 
2012-10-27 01:25:13 AM  

TimeCubeFan: They had their chance here and, unless adaptation skills and some genetic luck prevail, enjoyed their stay with +99% of every other member of this ongoing party that left when the food and atmosphere wasn't to their liking. Sounds like most parties I've attended when the mood changed, just on a macroscopic scale.


Did your mother drink heavily when pregnant?
 
2012-10-27 01:26:48 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Actually, dogs and wolves are the same genus and species, canis lupus. Dogs have recently been redesignated as the subspecies C. lupus familiaris.


runka.com

/Cheep one
//got nothin'
///Drunk
 
2012-10-27 01:30:18 AM  

thursdaypostal: simplicimus: Somebody cross bred Hyenas with dogs, in order to produce a species of dog with even more sensitive smell capabilities.

Are you sure it was a hyena and not an African Wild Dog? Hyenas are about as closely related to dogs as tigers are.


It was neither, it was Jackals http://retrieverman.net/2010/04/21/sulimov-dogs-at-work/
 
2012-10-27 01:31:59 AM  
This is why we need more panda fighting
 
2012-10-27 01:37:47 AM  
They failed to point out how this is my fault because of my lifestyle and choice of motor vehicle.

/raping the planet and all...
 
2012-10-27 01:46:34 AM  

whatshisname: TimeCubeFan: They had their chance here and, unless adaptation skills and some genetic luck prevail, enjoyed their stay with +99% of every other member of this ongoing party that left when the food and atmosphere wasn't to their liking. Sounds like most parties I've attended when the mood changed, just on a macroscopic scale.

Did your mother drink heavily when pregnant?


Well, it is true that more than 99.9% of all species that ever existed are now extinct. I'm not sure how his comment offended you to the point of personal attacks.
 
2012-10-27 01:54:09 AM  

Sherman Potter: hey failed to point out how this is my fault because of my lifestyle and choice of motor vehicle.


I'll be flying on a private jet to copenhagen next week to explain how it is your fault. You should see the huge limo that will drive me to the convention center. It rocks.
 
2012-10-27 01:56:46 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: I'm not sure how his comment offended you to the point of personal attacks.


Possibly because of your complete lack of comprehension as to how species work
 
2012-10-27 01:57:13 AM  

whatshisname: namatad: You mean none of the other canis lupus subspecies will ever migrate into that territory ever again???
I am not sure if you understand how darwin works.


Yeah, I understand it, and I've been there. Unless a farking Hyena or African Hunting Dog evolves to fill the niche, there's nothing coming any time soon. They're the only large predator left up there. Lower down you have Geladas, but they're generalists, omnivores and in no way a replacement for a large predator.


Feral dogs and cats will be along shortly to take care of that rodent problem.
 
2012-10-27 02:00:18 AM  

TimeCubeFan: They had their chance here and, unless adaptation skills and some genetic luck prevail, enjoyed their stay with +99% of every other member of this ongoing party that left when the food and atmosphere wasn't to their liking. Sounds like most parties I've attended when the mood changed, just on a macroscopic scale.


If "DARWINISM" is true, why do FAT fark humans and genetically retarded humans thrive?
 
2012-10-27 02:02:21 AM  

whatshisname: Possibly because of your complete lack of comprehension as to how species work


Um, wow. Okay. All i did was confirm his statement that 99.9% of species are extinct. Are you having irrational anger issues this evening?
 
2012-10-27 02:10:21 AM  

mc_madness: TimeCubeFan: They had their chance here and, unless adaptation skills and some genetic luck prevail, enjoyed their stay with +99% of every other member of this ongoing party that left when the food and atmosphere wasn't to their liking. Sounds like most parties I've attended when the mood changed, just on a macroscopic scale.

If "DARWINISM" is true, why do FAT fark humans and genetically retarded humans thrive?


Meh, 3/10
 
2012-10-27 02:13:26 AM  

mc_madness: TimeCubeFan: They had their chance here and, unless adaptation skills and some genetic luck prevail, enjoyed their stay with +99% of every other member of this ongoing party that left when the food and atmosphere wasn't to their liking. Sounds like most parties I've attended when the mood changed, just on a macroscopic scale.

If "DARWINISM" is true, why do FAT fark humans and genetically retarded humans thrive?


more cushion for the pushin' and easier to talk into that

or

lack of dangerous playground and farm equipment
 
2012-10-27 02:24:21 AM  

mc_madness: If "DARWINISM" is true, why do FAT fark humans and genetically retarded humans thrive?


Because God wants FARK to have an audience.
 
2012-10-27 02:35:39 AM  

mc_madness:

If "DARWINISM" is true, why do FAT fark humans and genetically retarded humans thrive?


Because much like your mom's cooter, "fitness" is a slippery concept.
 
2012-10-27 03:06:58 AM  
How about get off your ass?

news.bbcimg.co.uk
 
2012-10-27 03:27:21 AM  
Once again proving,, The Dog Days Are Over
 
2012-10-27 03:32:45 AM  
Gerald Ford unavailable for comment.
 
2012-10-27 03:43:07 AM  
crypticsatellite

Wolves are not dogs.

Everyone else already chimed in, but yeah...All canids are commonly referred to as 'dogs' when talking in the general sense, so as to distinguish them from other major carnivore families such as bears and weasels and cats. In the sense of the word 'dog' that you probably meant, though - wolves are not domestic dogs, no, but domestic dogs are wolves.

simplicimus

UsikFark: crypticsatellite: Wolves are not dogs.

However, unlike Farkers of the same species, wolves and dogs can easily breed.

You'd be surprised what canids can breed with. Somebody cross bred Hyenas with dogs, in order to produce a species of dog with even more sensitive smell capabilities.


I was gonna ask where in the -hell- you heard that notion from, because hyenas are a completely different family of carnivore more closely related to cats and mongooses, and there is simply no way a successful crossbreeding with canids could ever happen. Hyenas are absolutely not canids at all. Then thursdaypostal mentioned maybe you meant African wild dogs, but that's not really possible either - African wild dogs are in a different genus, Lycaon, that split off from the more wolflike canids a long time ago. They still have collarbones, while all species in Canis have lost theirs, to give an example of the genetic gulf there.

suggiethames is right, though...It was jackals, which are all in the genus Canis. All members of the genus Canis can apparently interbreed and produce healthy offspring, but genetic and behavioral problems start to show up after a few generations if jackals or coyotes are involved, if you keep breeding just the crossbreeds together. Jackals and coyotes are just distinct enough from all of the Canis lupus subspecies to make things difficult. (A coywolf hybrid can breed back into one of the parent species, though, and cause no real problems except to fluster humans trying to classify a population as one or the other for hunting/conservation purposes.)

It's sad news about the Ethiopian wolf...it was only recognized as a true wolf and not a jackal relatively recently, and contrary to some opinions upthread it really isn't likely to be replaced anytime soon. Losing a top predator can spell disaster for an ecosystem, and the Ethiopian Highlands are unique. Grar...
 
2012-10-27 03:59:21 AM  

Omahawg: it's a dog eat dog cliche, i guess

they sound way overspecialized, I'm afraid. what are the odds that one inbred male dropped amongst a bunch of other inbreds on a different mountain won't get unkind stares of the 'ya'll ain't from 'round here' sort and then killed?


Kind of the same thing happened to the Mexican (?) red wolf. Beautiful animal, subspecies of C. lupus, but it was simply unable to compete with coyotes and interbred with them very readily. Even without hunting and habitat loss, the hybridization would have extincted them pretty fast, and there was just no way to stop that. I think they're gone now.
 
2012-10-27 04:11:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Omahawg: it's a dog eat dog cliche, i guess

they sound way overspecialized, I'm afraid. what are the odds that one inbred male dropped amongst a bunch of other inbreds on a different mountain won't get unkind stares of the 'ya'll ain't from 'round here' sort and then killed?

Kind of the same thing happened to the Mexican (?) red wolf. Beautiful animal, subspecies of C. lupus, but it was simply unable to compete with coyotes and interbred with them very readily. Even without hunting and habitat loss, the hybridization would have extincted them pretty fast, and there was just no way to stop that. I think they're gone now.


Wha? I think the red wolves were reintroduced into the east USA a while ago and had mollified people by mainly eating wild rabbits and stuff until they started getting mostly ignored.
 
2012-10-27 04:49:38 AM  

mc_madness: TimeCubeFan: They had their chance here and, unless adaptation skills and some genetic luck prevail, enjoyed their stay with +99% of every other member of this ongoing party that left when the food and atmosphere wasn't to their liking. Sounds like most parties I've attended when the mood changed, just on a macroscopic scale.

If "DARWINISM" is true, why do FAT fark humans and genetically retarded humans thrive?


Society makes life safe for the stupid. It`s the main purpose.

"adapted to life above altitudes of 3,000m, where it preys almost exclusively on high-altitude rodents"

Well that is your problem right there, get out, go see other rodents or die.

At least global warming is not being blamed for this by default. Makes a change.
 
2012-10-27 08:59:27 AM  

namatad: whatshisname: So species of wolves which will travel longer distance will survive and replace this species.
This is Darwin at his simplest. Niche species will always lose out to generalists. In the long term. Probably.

And as long as you keep removing the niches, the species will disappear as well. There is no generalist to fill this spot. It's the Ethiopian wolf or a bunch of short, struggling grass and a few happy rodents.

mhmm
You mean none of the other canis lupus subspecies will ever migrate into that territory ever again???
I am not sure if you understand how darwin works.

meh
Some other canid/felis type predator will fill the niche.
Strangely enough, in order for new species to have room to evolve, old species have to go sooner or later.


In most regions with problems like this, that "other predator" that fills the niche is just humans.
 
2012-10-27 09:08:41 AM  
Yeah, my bad, it was Jackals. Something about their superior sense of smell and canids having "plastic" genes. Took several generations to get a domestic dog out of that mix.
 
2012-10-27 09:08:48 AM  
Glad some of you cleared up that whole Hyena/Dog hybrid misinformation. That statement is the exact reason why the keyboard and Internet need a [citation needed] button.
 
2012-10-27 09:25:19 AM  
I thought the whole domesticated Fox experiment was a fun idea. The scientists succeeded, then ended the project. Could have been a marketable product.
 
2012-10-27 10:25:13 AM  
i309.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-27 10:46:00 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: whatshisname: Possibly because of your complete lack of comprehension as to how species work

Um, wow. Okay. All i did was confirm his statement that 99.9% of species are extinct. Are you having irrational anger issues this evening?


Yes. Sorry. That was uncalled for. My apologies.
 
2012-10-27 11:45:24 AM  
Looks like a red fox.
 
2012-10-27 06:51:52 PM  

whatshisname: Yes. Sorry. That was uncalled for. My apologies.


Cool.
 
2012-10-28 12:50:48 AM  
Huh, I can't believe I'm in before the creepy furry guy that spams pictures of himself as a cartoon wolf everywhere.
 
2012-10-28 11:55:00 AM  
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