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2012-10-26 01:19:28 PM  
Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.
 
2012-10-26 01:24:50 PM  

yanceylebeef: It's a brilliant piece of writing


Indeed... +1 for finding this!
 
2012-10-26 01:31:57 PM  
Every time you say "I oppose a woman's right to abortion, even in cases of rape," what you're also saying is "I believe that a man who rapes a woman has more of a right to control a woman's body and life than that woman does."

Someone engrave that onto a plaque and then have it bronzed.
 
2012-10-26 01:36:12 PM  

Chariset: Every time you say "I oppose a woman's right to abortion, even in cases of rape," what you're also saying is "I believe that a man who rapes a woman has more of a right to control a woman's body and life than that woman does."

Someone engrave that onto a plaque and then have it bronzed.


Too late, I think it's already part of the GOP platform.
 
2012-10-26 01:46:06 PM  

markie_farkie: yanceylebeef: It's a brilliant piece of writing

Indeed... +1 for finding this!


This.
 
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2012-10-26 01:48:02 PM  

markie_farkie: Indeed... +1 for finding this!


It's a blog worth reading, for sure.
 
2012-10-26 01:48:20 PM  
Funny thing about this is that since it is a political writing it is specifically protected by SCOTUS. In other areas it could be grounds for obscenity charges (ie sex toys ban in a few southern states or child porn charges against someone who draws pictures of children)
 
2012-10-26 01:58:47 PM  

cman: Funny thing about this is that since it is a political writing it is specifically protected by SCOTUS. In other areas it could be grounds for obscenity charges (ie sex toys ban in a few southern states or child porn charges against someone who draws pictures of children)


No. Just no.

"Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."
 
2012-10-26 02:21:56 PM  

Vodka Zombie: cman: Funny thing about this is that since it is a political writing it is specifically protected by SCOTUS. In other areas it could be grounds for obscenity charges (ie sex toys ban in a few southern states or child porn charges against someone who draws pictures of children)

No. Just no.

"Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."


There was a woman in Florida who flashed her tits to protest the fact that women cannot flash their tits in public. She was charged and convicted of indecency under state law. She appealed to federal court, and they vacated her conviction since her statement was political in nature, it was acceptable for her to flash her tits.
 
2012-10-26 02:25:40 PM  

cman: Vodka Zombie: cman: Funny thing about this is that since it is a political writing it is specifically protected by SCOTUS. In other areas it could be grounds for obscenity charges (ie sex toys ban in a few southern states or child porn charges against someone who draws pictures of children)

No. Just no.

"Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."

There was a woman in Florida who flashed her tits to protest the fact that women cannot flash their tits in public. She was charged and convicted of indecency under state law. She appealed to federal court, and they vacated her conviction since her statement was political in nature, it was acceptable for her to flash her tits.


That's not specifically analogous.
 
2012-10-26 02:29:55 PM  

cman: "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."


I don't want to see any obsecenity involving a BJ and a bear.
 
2012-10-26 02:30:14 PM  

Rincewind53: cman: Vodka Zombie: cman: Funny thing about this is that since it is a political writing it is specifically protected by SCOTUS. In other areas it could be grounds for obscenity charges (ie sex toys ban in a few southern states or child porn charges against someone who draws pictures of children)

No. Just no.

"Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."

There was a woman in Florida who flashed her tits to protest the fact that women cannot flash their tits in public. She was charged and convicted of indecency under state law. She appealed to federal court, and they vacated her conviction since her statement was political in nature, it was acceptable for her to flash her tits.

That's not specifically analogous.


Remember that guy who wrote that book about being a pedophile? He was convicted of obscenity. Since this is a political statement, the author cannot be charged with obscenity even though in many parts of the US it would be considered obscene.

/Analogous? FFS dude I am part of the lewd folk. I beseech thou to use words that a 5 year old could understand.
 
2012-10-26 02:31:16 PM  

Rincewind53: There was a woman in Florida who flashed her tits to protest the fact that women cannot flash their tits in public. She was charged and convicted of indecency under state law. She appealed to federal court, and they vacated her conviction since her statement was political in nature, it was acceptable for her to flash her tits.

That's not specifically analogous.


Yes, but involved flashing tits, which is always relevant.

Oh, and, good find, subby.
 
2012-10-26 02:32:30 PM  

RminusQ: cman: "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."

I don't want to see any obsecenity involving a BJ and a bear.


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2012-10-26 02:33:01 PM  

yanceylebeef: Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.


If you're considering voting Republican and you know someone who has been raped, this should be required reading. Like, forced to read kind of thing.
 
2012-10-26 02:35:19 PM  

ox45tallboy: RminusQ: cman: "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."

I don't want to see any obsecenity involving a BJ and a bear.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x298]
"I was young! I needed the money!"


lulz
 
2012-10-26 02:37:15 PM  

cman:
Remember that guy who wrote that book about being a pedophile? He was convicted of obscenity. Since this is a political statement, the author cannot be charged with obscenity even though in many parts of the US it would be considered obscene.

/Analogous? FFS dude I am part of the lewd folk. I beseech thou to use words that a 5 year old could understand.


Public indecency laws are a different animal than obscenity laws. The letter, if written seriously, would almost certainly not fall under obscenity. But you're right, the fact that it was political makes it 99% immune. I just disagreed with you that it would fit the obscenity test, because it's not sexually explicit.

I don't really think analogous is that complicated a word. It's also the best word to use since you're talking about the law.
 
2012-10-26 02:39:33 PM  

Rincewind53: cman:
Remember that guy who wrote that book about being a pedophile? He was convicted of obscenity. Since this is a political statement, the author cannot be charged with obscenity even though in many parts of the US it would be considered obscene.

/Analogous? FFS dude I am part of the lewd folk. I beseech thou to use words that a 5 year old could understand.

Public indecency laws are a different animal than obscenity laws. The letter, if written seriously, would almost certainly not fall under obscenity. But you're right, the fact that it was political makes it 99% immune. I just disagreed with you that it would fit the obscenity test, because it's not sexually explicit.

I don't really think analogous is that complicated a word. It's also the best word to use since you're talking about the law.


No probs

Also, I was being snarky when I said my PS. Whenever you see me using a word in an obsolete sense (i.e. thou, lewd) it should be an indication that I am just busting someones balls.
 
2012-10-26 02:45:27 PM  
So, the Republicans and the Taliban have more in common than they thought? Who knew?
 
2012-10-26 02:46:29 PM  

PacManDreaming: So, the Republicans and the Taliban have more in common than they thought? Who knew?


Pretty much everyone but Republicans.
 
2012-10-26 02:46:52 PM  

Rincewind53: cman:
Remember that guy who wrote that book about being a pedophile? He was convicted of obscenity. Since this is a political statement, the author cannot be charged with obscenity even though in many parts of the US it would be considered obscene.

/Analogous? FFS dude I am part of the lewd folk. I beseech thou to use words that a 5 year old could understand.

Public indecency laws are a different animal than obscenity laws. The letter, if written seriously, would almost certainly not fall under obscenity. But you're right, the fact that it was political makes it 99% immune. I just disagreed with you that it would fit the obscenity test, because it's not sexually explicit.

I don't really think analogous is that complicated a word. It's also the best word to use since you're talking about the law.


Don't worry, cman is stunningly incorrect in his evaluation as to whether that essay would fail the Miller test. In literally (correct usage) every sense it is not "obscene" as per Miller v. California.
 
2012-10-26 02:48:10 PM  
Fact is, although I am in favor of women having the choice of abortion (at the same time I am favor of things like more birth control available and comprehensive sex education, which are proven to REDUCE the number of abortions), I can see how people like Richard Mourdock are more intellectually consistent with their thinking than other "pro-life" people.

See, if you believe that a woman should only be allowed to have an abortion in the case of rape or incest or to save the life of the mother, then you are making choices about certain babies (I know, embryos/fetuses, but hear me out here). You are saying that a rape baby doesn't have the same right to life as the one conceived on the first date in the back seat of a '93 Grand Prix after too many Zimas. You're saying that it is okay to kill that baby, but it is not okay to kill the baby that was conceived by the husband who you found out two weeks later was cheating on you for the past year and has run away with his mistress and taken all the money with him. That baby needs to stay, and you must put it first, put its needs above your own, and "do the right thing". You can kill the baby conceived by the intellectually disabled 16-year-old and her molesting uncle, but you cannot kill the baby conceived by the 14-year-old girl with her 15-year-old boyfriend who were never told what a condom was or how to get them. That girl must not be allowed to continue on with her life, must drop out of school, must take care of the kid, and don't even think about college.

I can understand Mourdock's point, even though I don't agree with it. However, I cannot understand the point of the majority of the people in the pro-life movement that want to make exceptions for cases of rape. If that baby shouldn't be born, then why must the other ones in the cases I described above?

I do not feel comfortable telling a woman that she must keep her rape baby. Therefore, since I have placed that value on a fetus - any fetus at all, I cannot raise that value for some fetuses, and keep it down there for others. In order to be intellectually consistent, I must either be in favor of choices for all circumstances, or choices for none. Therefore, as a man, I believe that women need the right to make their own choices. The rape fetus is no better or worse than any other fetus in any other circumstance.
 
2012-10-26 02:54:11 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Don't worry, cman is stunningly incorrect in his evaluation as to whether that essay would fail the Miller test. In literally (correct usage) every sense it is not "obscene" as per Miller v. California.


I like Justice Stewart's characterization in Jacobellis v. Ohio better than his in Miller v. California, since he kind of lost the bumper sticker quotability (even though he was more right in Miller.)

In other words, to misquote Potter Stewart, "I know it when I see it... and the article ain't it."
 
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2012-10-26 02:56:14 PM  

yanceylebeef: Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.


No, it's pretty much like press conference.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-26 03:00:44 PM  

cman: Funny thing about this is that since it is a political writing it is specifically protected by SCOTUS. In other areas it could be grounds for obscenity charges (ie sex toys ban in a few southern states or child porn charges against someone who draws pictures of children)


That's a good thing I guess. Can you imagine candidates for national office being arrested because their positions are obscene?
 
2012-10-26 03:02:11 PM  

GAT_00: If you're considering voting Republican and you know someone who has been raped, this should be required reading. Like, forced to read kind of thing.


Like, held down and read to you whether you like it not. And then maybe humiliated in front of all your Conservative friends for reading such a liberal article. "You're such a reader! I bet you liked reading that!" And then get kicked out of your Conservative social cliques for having read a liberal article, even though you didn't have any choice.

And then you're no longer just a Conservative. You've been exposed. You're no longer ideologically pure. All of your Conservative friends will be going out and taking entitlements away from poor and sick people, and having fun laying off workers and union-busting, but you're home stuck taking care of the liberal idea in your head. It doesn't matter that you never asked for it, it's now yours. God must have wanted you to hear it. And it's yours for the rest of your life.
 
2012-10-26 03:04:55 PM  

vpb: That's a good thing I guess. Can you imagine candidates for national office being arrested because their positions are obscene?


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"It's not obscene... it's a beautiful thing!"

 
2012-10-26 03:05:21 PM  

vpb: yanceylebeef: Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.

No, it's pretty much like press conference.


I've read this a couple of times, and I still can't figure out what you mean.
 
2012-10-26 03:13:58 PM  

RminusQ: cman: "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."

I don't want to see any obsecenity involving a BJ and a bear.


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"Slow down, now. Let's hear the man out."
 
2012-10-26 03:18:05 PM  

yanceylebeef: vpb: yanceylebeef: Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.

No, it's pretty much like press conference.

I've read this a couple of times, and I still can't figure out what you mean.


emily-jaye.com
"Am I right, guys? Isn't it more fun when she struggles? Yeah, you with the tie, you look like you raped a few girls back in college, right?"



/I can't figure out what he meant by "press conference" either, unless he's referring to its language and content relative to the recent "butt chugging" press conference, but this article just isn't very funny. It's too true to be funny.
 
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2012-10-26 03:22:38 PM  

yanceylebeef: vpb: yanceylebeef: Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.

No, it's pretty much like press conference.

I've read this a couple of times, and I still can't figure out what you mean.


Have you been paying attention to any controversies relating to things Republicans candidates have said lately? Ones that might be related to this thread?

Link

Link
 
2012-10-26 03:26:21 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: RminusQ: cman: "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."

I don't want to see any obsecenity involving a BJ and a bear.

[i595.photobucket.com image 229x172]
"Slow down, now. Let's hear the man out."


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2012-10-26 03:28:05 PM  

cman: Funny thing about this is that since it is a political writing it is specifically protected by SCOTUS. In other areas it could be grounds for obscenity charges (ie sex toys ban in a few southern states or child porn charges against someone who draws pictures of children)


Nah. Of course you're correct that it is political in nature, but it doesn't even come close to violating the Miller test. For one, its not written in a way to make you horny (what is legally called the "prurient" interest), nor does it specifically describe or represent sexual or excretory activity in any but the most superficial detail (thus avoiding what Chief Justice Burger called "patently offensive" status). It has to violate all 3 prongs of the Miller test to be legally obscene.

/not a lawyer
 
2012-10-26 03:30:27 PM  

ox45tallboy: I do not feel comfortable telling a woman that she must keep her rape baby. Therefore, since I have placed that value on a fetus - any fetus at all, I cannot raise that value for some fetuses, and keep it down there for others. In order to be intellectually consistent, I must either be in favor of choices for all circumstances, or choices for none. Therefore, as a man, I believe that women need the right to make their own choices. The rape fetus is no better or worse than any other fetus in any other circumstance.



You said "rape" twice.
 
2012-10-26 03:31:34 PM  

yanceylebeef: Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.


I'd say game over.
 
2012-10-26 03:33:11 PM  

Vodka Zombie: It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."


i.imgur.com

R.I.P. BJ and the Bear

 
2012-10-26 03:33:54 PM  

vpb: Have you been paying attention to any controversies relating to things Republicans candidates have said lately? Ones that might be related to this thread?


Hey, I myself didn't understand comparing the article to a press conference. I'm aware that Republicans have said some idiotic things lately regarding rape, and that some have held press conferences to attempt to deal with the fallout generated by their insensitive comments, but none of these press conferences seemed to me to be as graphic and direct and "in your face" as the article. I agree with the point of the article, and I see that for the most part the press conferences served only to dig an even deeper hole for the politician, but I'm missing the comparison.

I must be missing something.
 
2012-10-26 03:36:07 PM  

Somacandra: You said "rape" twice.


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"Day ain't over yet."

 
2012-10-26 03:38:43 PM  

ox45tallboy: Doctor Funkenstein: RminusQ: cman: "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me. I'd tell you about it, but since it's not political and protected by SCOTUS, I don't want to face cman's strange definition of what obscenity is. Too bad, though. It involves green onions and a picture of BJ and the Bear."

I don't want to see any obsecenity involving a BJ and a bear.

[i595.photobucket.com image 229x172]
"Slow down, now. Let's hear the man out."

[www.greenguidespain.com image 468x361]
"¡Bienvenidos todos a Tijuana! ¡Aquí, en vivo, presentante Señor Yogi y Señorita Honey Boo Boo!"


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/or as close as Google Translate will bring that
 
2012-10-26 03:44:54 PM  

vpb: yanceylebeef: vpb: yanceylebeef: Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.

No, it's pretty much like press conference.

I've read this a couple of times, and I still can't figure out what you mean.

Have you been paying attention to any controversies relating to things Republicans candidates have said lately? Ones that might be related to this thread?

Link

Link


I've been paying very close attention to the idiotic things the GOP has been saying on the subject of Rape Rape. I'm really not trying to be obtuse, I just don't understand what you mean. Are you comparing the press conferences to this piece of satire?
Help a brother out.
 
2012-10-26 03:44:54 PM  

yanceylebeef: Subby here, Scalzi warns people who may have been through or had family members go through an assault that they should just skip this. It's a brilliant piece of writing, but very tough to get through.


It should be read on the floor of the Congress. When Grayson's back, he will do it also.
 
2012-10-26 03:46:36 PM  
Is it being a Totalfarker that gets you the greenlight, or the fact that you submitted it a day later?
 
2012-10-26 03:49:25 PM  

SavageWombat: Is it being a Totalfarker that gets you the greenlight, or the fact that you submitted it a day later?


Being a TotalFarker doesn't help. I just lost an awesome submission about a NFL player's contract negotiations including a case of beer.
 
2012-10-26 03:51:03 PM  

ox45tallboy: I just lost an awesome submission about a NFL player's contract negotiations including a case of beer.


You got beat out, there was a Cooley thread yesterday.
 
2012-10-26 03:51:17 PM  
It must be nice to be able to mock someone else's religious beliefs w/o fear of imprisonment.

media2.wwlp.com

khq.images.worldnow.com


/b-b-b-but he wasn't allowed to post on the internet!
//liberals "technically correct is the best type of correct"
 
2012-10-26 03:55:33 PM  
That link's a keeper.
 
2012-10-26 03:55:55 PM  
Ouch. Wow.

That hurt to read. Feelings were felt. Unhappy feelings.
 
2012-10-26 03:55:57 PM  

YOUR BLOG DOES NOT SUCK!!!!

 
2012-10-26 03:57:08 PM  
It kind of takes away from satire when you have to have to preface it with a warning that it may shock or offend.
 
2012-10-26 03:57:21 PM  

SavageWombat: Is it being a Totalfarker that gets you the greenlight, or the fact that you submitted it a day later?


Neither one, I suspect. Right time, right place seems to be the greelight rule for me.
 
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