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(National Enquirer)   Mitt Romney's says he's anti-abortion, but at least he's not an extremist like Akin or Mourdock right? Well, unless you count the time he was a bishop in MA and tried to force a mother of four to continue a life-threating pregnancy   (nationalenquirer.com) divider line 160
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2012-10-26 10:54:23 AM
and before you say "consider the source", the NY Times had the same story last year, just no interviews with the woman involved
 
2012-10-26 10:56:42 AM
"Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.
 
2012-10-26 10:58:20 AM

Aarontology: "Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.


I really hate that lie. These farks aren't pro-life at all. They're anti-choice. You can't be pro-life while being pro-war, pro-death penalty and demanding we smash the safety net.
 
2012-10-26 10:59:19 AM
The content of this website is not available in your area.

That's racist :(

Does the headline sum it up enough that I don't have to read the story?
 
2012-10-26 11:01:55 AM

GAT_00: Aarontology: "Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.

I really hate that lie. These farks aren't pro-life at all. They're anti-choice. You can't be pro-life while being pro-war, pro-death penalty and demanding we smash the safety net.


The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.
 
2012-10-26 11:02:35 AM

GAT_00: Aarontology: "Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.

I really hate that lie. These farks aren't pro-life at all. They're anti-choice. You can't be pro-life while being pro-war, pro-death penalty and demanding we smash the safety net.


Yeah, me too. They're not even anti-choice or even anti-abortion.

They're flat out anti-woman. If they were "pro-life" or anti abortion or something, they'd support measures that lead to reduced abortions like comprehensive sex education, easy access to birth control, and education.

But that doesn't help keep women in line.
 
2012-10-26 11:03:34 AM

Slaxl: The content of this website is not available in your area.

That's racist :(

Does the headline sum it up enough that I don't have to read the story?


In other news, the National Enquirer isn't allowed in the UK. Murdoch probably had it banned so he could corner the market with The Sun.



GOP presidential candidate MITT ROMNEY is hiding TWO shocking pregnancy scandals from the public.

A Massachusetts woman has charged that the former governor pressured her to ignore her doctors' advice to terminate her pregnancy after she suffered a life-threatening complication - and another woman claims Romney tried to bully her into giving her son up for adoption by threatening her with excommunication from the Mormon Church.

Incredibly, when he was running for public office in the '90s, Romney presented himself as a pro-choice candidate. These days, he says he believes abortion should only be legal in cases of rape, incest or when the mother's life is in jeopardy.

BUT as a bishop in the Mormon Church in the 1980s, Romney's views were far more rigid and coldhearted, charges Carrel Hilton Sheldon, a woman who was a member of his "ward" (congregation).

In 1983, Carrel, already a mother of four, was in her eighth week of pregnancy when she developed a potentially lethal blood clot. She was

given an overdose of the blood thinner Heparin, which caused severe internal bleeding and extensive damage to her kidneys. On the verge of needing a transplant, doctors recommended she terminate the pregnancy to save her life.

In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview, Carrel's husband, 68-year-old Garret Sheldon, says that as his wife lay in her hospital bed with her life "in peril," Romney visited repeatedly to badger her into carrying the child to term.

Romney's behavior prompted his church superior, Harvard-trained physician Dr. Gordon Williams, to intercede.

"Even HE believed my wife should terminate her pregnancy!" recalled Garret. "He said to Mitt, 'Hey, this is threatening her life - back down!'"

Carrel later wrote an article about the devastating experience, recalling that Romney - whom she did not originally identify by name - heartlessly told her: "As your bishop, my concern is with the child."

Author Ron Scott also wrote about the incident in his book "Mitt Romney: An Inside Look at the Man and His Politics." Scott says that after Romney was unable to persuade Carrel to continue her pregnancy, he went to her parents' house to make his case.

"I have never been so upset about anything in my life," Phil Hilton, Carrel's father, told Scott, adding that he ordered the young bishop out of his home and was prepared to "throw (Romney) off the porch if he paused for even a second."

In another case the following year, Peggie Hayes had a run-in with Romney that changed the way she viewed both him and the Mormon Church forever.

A former baby sitter for Mitt and Ann Romney's five sons, the now- 52-year-old woman says the GOP candidate had been a father figure and mentor to her during her teen years.

"The relationship we had developed made me feel that I could always rely on him during times of adversity," Peggie told The ENQUIRER in an exclusive interview. "I grew to trust that Mitt would always be there to support me through the toughest of times."

But that all changed in 1984, when Peggie says the young bishop completely shattered what she'd always believed was an "unbreakable bond" between them.

At the age of 24, Peggie - who was divorced and raising a 3-year-old daughter alone - learned she was pregnant again. Unwed and scared, she leaned on Mitt and Ann for moral support.

But shortly after the birth of her son, Dane, Romney visited Peggie at her home and told her that, because she was raising the newborn without the help of his biological father, the church expected her to give up the baby "so that he could be adopted by a Mormon couple in 'good standing.' "

"And if I chose not to give my son up for adoption," Peggie continued, "Mitt essentially threatened me by saying I would be excommunicated by the church."

Peggie refused to give up her son, who's now an electrician living in Salt Lake City. And although she wasn't excommunicated, she never saw or spoke to Romney again.

"His staunch conservative actions proved to me that his loyalty to the Mormon Church will always take precedence over innocent people's lives," she declared.

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By the way, I have seen the story about him begging a woman to kill herself with a pregnancy for Jesus in other locations. The Enquirer didn't make this up.
 
2012-10-26 11:06:07 AM

Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: "Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.

I really hate that lie. These farks aren't pro-life at all. They're anti-choice. You can't be pro-life while being pro-war, pro-death penalty and demanding we smash the safety net.

Yeah, me too. They're not even anti-choice or even anti-abortion.

They're flat out anti-woman. If they were "pro-life" or anti abortion or something, they'd support measures that lead to reduced abortions like comprehensive sex education, easy access to birth control, and education.

But that doesn't help keep women in line.


Well, the churches can't keep them in line that way. You're right, it's all about control. There is no better method of reducing teen pregnancy and abortions than education and contraceptive availability.
 
2012-10-26 11:14:29 AM
Look, we already knew he was a horrible person. Old news. Nothing to see here.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-26 11:16:48 AM

Aarontology: "Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.


He means people, not livestock.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-26 11:17:41 AM
Someone needs to bop that Bishop.
 
2012-10-26 11:18:44 AM

vpb: He means people, not livestock.


or appliances.
 
2012-10-26 11:23:37 AM

GAT_00: Aarontology: GAT_00: Aarontology: "Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.

I really hate that lie. These farks aren't pro-life at all. They're anti-choice. You can't be pro-life while being pro-war, pro-death penalty and demanding we smash the safety net.

Yeah, me too. They're not even anti-choice or even anti-abortion.

They're flat out anti-woman. If they were "pro-life" or anti abortion or something, they'd support measures that lead to reduced abortions like comprehensive sex education, easy access to birth control, and education.

But that doesn't help keep women in line.

Well, the churches can't keep them in line that way. You're right, it's all about control. There is no better method of reducing teen pregnancy and abortions than education and contraceptive availability.


worth noting that man of the Catholic Churches doctrines against contraception and abortion came about during the first Vatican Council in 1870. This was time whenthe Pope was being stripped of most of his earthly autority during the Italian unification, and was openly trying to become the dominant world religion by outbreeding everyone else (much like "quiverful" movewment folks like the Duggars are trying to do today)
 
2012-10-26 11:29:47 AM

Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.


Actually, Catholics should look into it too. Like most of the pro-life folks out there, there's an upsetting number of Catholics that also believe that "pro-life" stops at the labia.
 
2012-10-26 11:30:35 AM

GAT_00: You're right, it's all about control. There is no better method of reducing teen pregnancy and abortions than education and contraceptive availability.


Which really shows you what the priorities are.

The best way to stop an abortion is to prevent pregnancy.
 
2012-10-26 11:31:17 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

Actually, Catholics should look into it too. Like most of the pro-life folks out there, there's an upsetting number of Catholics that also believe that "pro-life" stops at the labia.


Did he actually say the Catholic Church is pro-social justice?

i575.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-26 11:33:48 AM

GAT_00: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

Actually, Catholics should look into it too. Like most of the pro-life folks out there, there's an upsetting number of Catholics that also believe that "pro-life" stops at the labia.

Did he actually say the Catholic Church is pro-social justice?

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]


Sounds like you didn't give your $5 to the St. Vincent de Paul shelter in Youngstown yet.
 
2012-10-26 11:45:35 AM
Oh boy!! That's rich. What a disgusting human being MItt is turning out to be.
 
2012-10-26 11:57:34 AM
Wow.
 
2012-10-26 12:06:29 PM
But I was told that he's "Moderate Mitt" in the general election
 
2012-10-26 12:20:36 PM

GAT_00: Slaxl: The content of this website is not available in your area.

That's racist :(

Does the headline sum it up enough that I don't have to read the story?

In other news, the National Enquirer isn't allowed in the UK. Murdoch probably had it banned so he could corner the market with The Sun.



Thanks.

I wonder if Mitt's changed, it'll be impossible to know for sure, because now he's a politician everything he says is a lie.
 
2012-10-26 12:24:20 PM

GAT_00: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

Actually, Catholics should look into it too. Like most of the pro-life folks out there, there's an upsetting number of Catholics that also believe that "pro-life" stops at the labia.

Did he actually say the Catholic Church is pro-social justice?

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]


Would you care to debate the issue directly, or would you rather continue to respond only through others because you have me on "ignore"? Look, if you're still upset because I challenged you to back up an outright lie you were saying about me, I'm sorry you got upset. Happy?
 
2012-10-26 12:29:26 PM
"Pro-life, as long as it's not a life that gets blown up in our upcoming Mideast Tour happening as soon as I get elected"
 
2012-10-26 12:36:11 PM

Nabb1: GAT_00: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

Actually, Catholics should look into it too. Like most of the pro-life folks out there, there's an upsetting number of Catholics that also believe that "pro-life" stops at the labia.

Did he actually say the Catholic Church is pro-social justice?

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]

Would you care to debate the issue directly, or would you rather continue to respond only through others because you have me on "ignore"? Look, if you're still upset because I challenged you to back up an outright lie you were saying about me, I'm sorry you got upset. Happy?


I'm assuming you're talking to GAT_00 and not me. I'm pretty well versed in the works of Dorothy Day, Msgr. George Higgins, Father Gustavo Gutierrez, Cardinal Bernardin, Cardinal Oscar Romero, etc., so I have a pretty good read on Catholic Social Justice Thought.

Also, I've seen Sister Act, like, a dozen times.
 
2012-10-26 12:37:49 PM
Do we have a source that's not renowned for their Bat Boy expose?
 
2012-10-26 12:38:15 PM

GAT_00: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

Actually, Catholics should look into it too. Like most of the pro-life folks out there, there's an upsetting number of Catholics that also believe that "pro-life" stops at the labia.

Did he actually say the Catholic Church is pro-social justice?

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]


in fact it has a long history of that, that's sadly been swallowed by the single-issue crap on abortion. Look up Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker movement as an example. Or consider this statement from the same Papal letter that coined the Term "Culture of Life" explaining what that really meant (and quoting an older document going back to Vatican II):

"The Second Vatican Council, in a passage which retains all its relevance today, forcefully condemned a number of crimes and attacks against human life. Thirty years later, taking up the words of the Council and with the same forcefulness I repeat that condemnation in the name of the whole Church, certain that I am interpreting the genuine sentiment of every upright conscience: "Whatever is opposed to life itself, such as any type of murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia, or wilful self-destruction, whatever violates the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, torments inflicted on body or mind, attempts to coerce the will itself; whatever insults human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children; as well as disgraceful working conditions, where people are treated as mere instruments of gain rather than as free and responsible persons; all these things and others like them are infamies indeed. They poison human society, and they do more harm to those who practise them than to those who suffer from the injury. Moreover, they are a supreme dishonour to the Creator".5
 
2012-10-26 12:42:35 PM
'Bishop' = euphamism for 'prick' has never been more appropriate.
 
2012-10-26 12:42:54 PM

Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.


Heh. inigo_montoya.jpg on that one, given the whole "actively encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa" thing and the intentional suppression of education throughout the third world.

Admittedly, you shouldn't be sad, 'cause two out of three ain't bad.

//I know it's already been said, but you deserve to be mocked for the entire thread for that one.
 
2012-10-26 12:42:56 PM

raerae1980: Oh boy!! That's rich. What a disgusting human being MItt is turning out to behas always been.

 
2012-10-26 12:43:32 PM
This is perhaps the least important thing to be discussing a week and a half away from the election
 
2012-10-26 12:44:12 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: GAT_00: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

Actually, Catholics should look into it too. Like most of the pro-life folks out there, there's an upsetting number of Catholics that also believe that "pro-life" stops at the labia.

Did he actually say the Catholic Church is pro-social justice?

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]

Would you care to debate the issue directly, or would you rather continue to respond only through others because you have me on "ignore"? Look, if you're still upset because I challenged you to back up an outright lie you were saying about me, I'm sorry you got upset. Happy?

I'm assuming you're talking to GAT_00 and not me. I'm pretty well versed in the works of Dorothy Day, Msgr. George Higgins, Father Gustavo Gutierrez, Cardinal Bernardin, Cardinal Oscar Romero, etc., so I have a pretty good read on Catholic Social Justice Thought.

Also, I've seen Sister Act, like, a dozen times.


Yes, I am speaking to GAT_00, for whatever it's worth You could fill a library with books about all the things he doesn't know about Catholicism - and in fact, they have. Not that the Church isn't in part to blame for that perception for letting the obsession with the abortion issue overshadow many others. John Paul II often focused on it in his public appearances. I know when I saw him years and years ago on a US tour, that was the focus of his speech.
 
2012-10-26 12:46:17 PM
Mitt is too big an asshole to be allowed to be president.
 
2012-10-26 12:46:22 PM

Jim_Callahan: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

Heh. inigo_montoya.jpg on that one, given the whole "actively encouraging the spread of AIDS in Africa" thing and the intentional suppression of education throughout the third world.

Admittedly, you shouldn't be sad, 'cause two out of three ain't bad.

//I know it's already been said, but you deserve to be mocked for the entire thread for that one.


Really? Mocked for pointing out that the Catholic Church has at times taken a pretty strong stance on a number of social justice issues? I guess, but to people than know anything at all you just look ignorant. But go ahead and take your swings, chuckles, if that's what you need to do to feel better about yourself. You'll just look stupid to me, but it wouldn't be the first time.
 
2012-10-26 12:46:38 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Look, we already knew he was a horrible person. Old news. Nothing to see here.


Yet according to randomjsa in the thread just below this one, it is really Obama who is the monster* and "makes Romney look like a saint". We're just too dumb to know it around here.

*citations not included
 
2012-10-26 12:46:38 PM

qorkfiend: Do we have a source that's not renowned for their Bat Boy expose?

The Mormon Church opposes abortion, except in cases of rape and incest or when the life of the mother is in danger. As a Mormon bishop in the 1980s in his hometown of Belmont, Mass., Mr. Romney tried to talk a congregant, a married mother of four, out of having an abortion after doctors advised her to terminate her pregnancy because of a potentially lethal blood clot.


New York Times, earlier this year.
 
2012-10-26 12:47:23 PM

Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.


Oddly enough, the Catholic "pro-life" folks are generally the only "pro-life" people I have any respect for precisely because of that; even though I vehemently disagree with them on the abortion issue.

At least they're consistent.


On topic, if this is all true, Romney is a far more despicable human being than I gave him credit for.
 
2012-10-26 12:49:23 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Look, we already knew he was a horrible person. Old news. Nothing to see here.


Well apparently, half the country wants this sociopath to have access to the US Thermonuclear Launch Codes. These are the people who need to know this.
 
2012-10-26 12:49:46 PM
Where does the systematic cover-up of kiddie diddling fit in on the Catholic church stances list?
 
2012-10-26 12:50:27 PM

TV's Vinnie: Well apparently, half the country wants this sociopath to have access to the US Thermonuclear Launch Codes. These are the people who need to know this.


And their minds are already made up. Anything else is simply a conspiracy by the liberals.
 
2012-10-26 12:51:10 PM

Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.


No thanks. I'm not interested in joining an organization that shields child molesters. God bless if you can live with it. I won't.
 
2012-10-26 12:52:32 PM

Aarontology: "Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.


Pro life in the womb or in a brain dead coma.
 
2012-10-26 12:52:45 PM

Nabb1: Yes, I am speaking to GAT_00, for whatever it's worth You could fill a library with books about all the things he doesn't know about Catholicism - and in fact, they have. Not that the Church isn't in part to blame for that perception for letting the obsession with the abortion issue overshadow many others. John Paul II often focused on it in his public appearances. I know when I saw him years and years ago on a US tour, that was the focus of his speech.


Personally, I have always felt that the focus on the anti-abortion message is off putting. It is, however, the kind of thing that people rally around because the next items on the Catholic Social Justice Menu require real work, sacrifice and not just lip service. I mean, it's easy for people to, say, vote against a pro-choice politician, but spending an hour in a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter is pretty tough. Abortion is an "ethereal" issue that other people have to deal with; poverty is a "material" issue that is omnipresent.

The irony is that if more attention were paid to the other Social Justice issues (poverty, education, health care, workers rights, etc.), the need for abortions would trail off.
 
2012-10-26 12:53:00 PM

The Why Not Guy: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

No thanks. I'm not interested in joining an organization that shields child molesters. God bless if you can live with it. I won't.


The failures and crimes of Church leaders on that is unforgivable, but should not erode from the messages on those issues.
 
2012-10-26 12:53:35 PM
SURPRISE!
 
2012-10-26 12:55:26 PM

LarryDan43: Aarontology: "Pro-Life."

Just not a woman's life.

Pro life in the womb or in a brain dead coma.


Pro-birth, not pro-life. Pro-life wouldn't support capital punishment, endless war and gutting social services.
 
2012-10-26 12:56:06 PM
Unless one of the candidates gets caught with a dead hooker, none of this matters.

The election will be decided by "undecided voters" (i.e., morons) - people who are more likely to make their choice based on hair style than policy.
 
2012-10-26 12:56:38 PM

Epoch_Zero: qorkfiend: Do we have a source that's not renowned for their Bat Boy expose?

The Mormon Church opposes abortion, except in cases of rape and incest or when the life of the mother is in danger. As a Mormon bishop in the 1980s in his hometown of Belmont, Mass., Mr. Romney tried to talk a congregant, a married mother of four, out of having an abortion after doctors advised her to terminate her pregnancy because of a potentially lethal blood clot.

New York Times, earlier this year.


Thank you, Doctor.
 
2012-10-26 12:56:44 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: Yes, I am speaking to GAT_00, for whatever it's worth You could fill a library with books about all the things he doesn't know about Catholicism - and in fact, they have. Not that the Church isn't in part to blame for that perception for letting the obsession with the abortion issue overshadow many others. John Paul II often focused on it in his public appearances. I know when I saw him years and years ago on a US tour, that was the focus of his speech.

Personally, I have always felt that the focus on the anti-abortion message is off putting. It is, however, the kind of thing that people rally around because the next items on the Catholic Social Justice Menu require real work, sacrifice and not just lip service. I mean, it's easy for people to, say, vote against a pro-choice politician, but spending an hour in a soup kitchen or a homeless shelter is pretty tough. Abortion is an "ethereal" issue that other people have to deal with; poverty is a "material" issue that is omnipresent.

The irony is that if more attention were paid to the other Social Justice issues (poverty, education, health care, workers rights, etc.), the need for abortions would trail off.


Exactly. It's one thing to "fight abortion" once every few years by going to the voting booth (and, BTW, I think that's pretty futile in most cases because no matter which side of the debate you're on, you need to realize the Court will likely never overturn Roe. The Planned Parenthood v. Casey decision pretty much put the issue to bed no matter what the scary politician says), but getting up close and personal with real poverty and taking an actual part in assisting people is real work.
 
2012-10-26 12:57:17 PM
Mitt Romney cares about 2 things: himself and power over everyone else. That's it. He's a selfish blowhard who needs to be stopped. All he does is continually prove that every minute he's awake.
 
2012-10-26 12:58:28 PM

Nabb1: The Why Not Guy: Nabb1: The Catholic Church is pro-life, anti-war, anti-death penalty and pro-social justice. So, you should look into it.

No thanks. I'm not interested in joining an organization that shields child molesters. God bless if you can live with it. I won't.

The failures and crimes of Church leaders on that is unforgivable, but should not erode from the messages on those issues.


Covering up and protecting child molesters absolutely erodes your moral credibility. Why do you think people should ignore their actions in favor of their words?
 
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