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(Slate)   "The Case for Not Voting." Apparently it boils down to being too busy   (slate.com) divider line 103
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2012-10-26 10:11:36 AM  
14 votes:
shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.
2012-10-26 01:03:21 PM  
9 votes:

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


Oh, shut up.

I was extremely politically active for years. Before I could vote legally, I volunteered for political causes. From 18 onward, I voted in every election-- even the little local ones that everyone else ignored-- Because I had the idea that I was making some sort of difference.

And maybe in those little local elections I was making a difference. But in a Presidential election? A national election? I've learned better in the 23 years since I first filled in a ballot.

No matter who you vote for, the SAME PEOPLE will be running the world. The President is a celebrity face chosen by the true powers-that-be, and we cannot vote for or against those powers-that-be. They run the world as they see fit, and placate the rest of us with hollow elections that have ZERO effect on the big picture.

You say it's laziness, arrogance, and entitlement for me not to vote. I say it's pure, 100% childish naivety that motivates you to vote.

Here's what going to happen when the next Presidency begins: NOTHING DIFFERENT. Oh, sure, they'll say they're making changes, providing new possibilities, and pumping hope and sunshine up our asses, but then the bureaucratic process will kick in-- as it's designed to do-- and we'll get the same as we've always gotten from the powerful men in charge of this world: Just enough to keep us arguing with each other, participating in their economic design, and consuming like the complacent slugs our species became about two thousand years ago.

You say I'm an arrogant, lazy, entitled person for making the decision to opt out of the farce that is our election process. I say you're a naive fool who might as well be voting for unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows, for all the good it will do you to vote. Further, I suggest that by participating and swallowing the lie they feed to you, you're in denial about your true effect on the state of the world.

I voted. I cheered for voting. I marched around proud that I "participated" in the process, and what did it get me? A lot of wasted energy. No advancements or improvements to the way of life for anyone. Wars, on schedule. Presidents who, once in office, don't seem to be anything more than middle-ground placeholders who are-- upon sharp evaluation-- no different than the last twenty or thirty men to hold the office. Senators and Representatives who live like kings and spend little time actually doing anything to fix the world because the point of their existence is to argue and stalemate and put on a show for the proles.

You want arrogance, laziness and entitlement? Look in the mirror, sir. You think by driving to a church or school gymnasium, filling out a sheet of paper, and then watching the results (if they're even really counted) as if it's a sports competition and you're cheering for your favorite team makes you better than people who have decided, once and for all, that they won't be suckered by this dog & pony show? That's arrogance, right there. You're proud of doing more to accomplish nothing. Congratulations. Enjoy your well-earned "I Voted" sticker. I hope it makes you feel warm and fuzzy, because that about as much "change" as you'll get from it.

The President, Congress, the Senate-- they're all ultimately powerless to make significant changes. They bow to their masters, just as you do. The only difference is that they get paid handsomely to be the face of the lie, while you get jack-shiat besides that warm, fuzzy feeling from "participating" in the process of maintaining the lie.

You might as well be biatching about people not voting for the winner of American Idol, for as much effect as politicians truly have on the world.

I'll vote again when we can vote the plutocrats and corporate overlords out of power. They're the guys in charge, and they have been since long before either you or I were born. Of course, since they maintain this whole show for the likes of you, and you're not likely to ever admit that you're being manipulated into a false sense of security instead of truly making a difference, the likelihood of the true lords of this planet being removed from power is hovering at about one in a trillion.

Do enjoy the "big finale" to the variety show this November. I hope it gives you a deep feeling of satisfaction. For me, it's yet another pile of horseshiat that was meant to distract me from the way things really are, and for the first time since 1989, I'm not participating. I'm done being suckered.
2012-10-26 12:48:23 PM  
7 votes:
cache0.bigcartel.com
2012-10-26 12:39:22 PM  
6 votes:
cdn.ebaumsworld.com

Add to non-voters those too lazy to think for themselves and instead vote for the nice man in a suit who says he represents Jesus with his plan to render orphans into pig feed.
2012-10-26 10:23:31 AM  
6 votes:

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.

And if anyone thinks they are sending a message by not voting the message is they can't be bothered. If anyone wants to send a message that the choices suck they should turn in a blank ballot.

/will be voting.
2012-10-26 10:20:39 AM  
6 votes:
Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.
2012-10-26 12:50:12 PM  
5 votes:
The My Little Pony Killer : No, you can't complain. You had a chance to voice your opinion, as other voters have, and you decided to ignore it completely.

Opinions can not be adequately expressed by little checkboxes.
2012-10-26 12:43:29 PM  
5 votes:
Permanent mail in voter here. Voted from my easy chair with a beer at my side.

Swing state, voted for Gary Johnson.

Flame away.
2012-10-26 12:38:35 PM  
5 votes:

Aarontology: Happy Hours: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.

Because they'll still biatch and f*cking moan about things


"I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain,' but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote - who did not even leave the house on Election Day - am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created." - George Carlin
2012-10-26 12:34:46 PM  
5 votes:
Meh, the electoral college will do it for me.
2012-10-26 03:18:01 PM  
4 votes:
Let me preface this by addressing everyone that parades war veterans around as vote guilt trips: Go fark yourselves with rusty light sabers. I've spent the last 9 months of my life in this shiathole they call Afghanistan "earning" my right to vote or not. That said... begin manifesto:

I'm not against voting per se, but I am against voting for people I don't actually want in power. And I will never feel bad for staying away because of that. So, unless there is someone on the ballot that I would legitimately like to see in power, I feel no duty to vote. Otherwise, I'm just empowering and lending legitimacy to a systematic and self-propagating turd farm of politicians who do more and more to erode my other rights and freedoms. Even if I vote for a lesser of two evils, I have still become a part of a statistic that now is used as justification for bad policy; "President X has a mandate to bomb the shiat out of Canada because 55% of the population voted for him." I won't be part of that 55%

I am also against encouraging people to vote just for the sake of voting. Intellectually and socially, it pats people on the ass for simply "letting their voice be heard" no matter how out of tune and terrible their voice is. It's like giving everyone on Little Bobby's soccer team a participation trophy, even though they spent the entire game eating grass and chasing butterflies while the other team scored 50 goals, kicked Bobby's puppy, and got to third base with Bobby's mother's too for good measure. The simple act of voting is not noble (nor ignoble); it is not to be commended (or scorned) any more than eating a bowl of froot loops for breakfast. HOW you vote is the measure of your accomplishment of your civic duty.

I guess if someone has taken the time to carefully sift through the layers of horseshiat and actually believes that the D or R nominees are really someone they WANT in power (vice doing it to prevent the other guy from winning), fine. By all means, go and vote for them. But I don't really believe that happens much. I think people, by and large, are peer pressured into voting against the other guy, and branded as "bad citizens" if they even consider not voting (and idiots "wasting their votes" if they go third party - what hypocrisy).

Herding the masses into voting booths, rewarding them with a "good for YOU!" and plastering them with a patronizing patriotic "I Voted Today, assuage my feelings of civic ignorance and insecurity and tell me how awesome I am" sticker is ridiculous. The political practical ramifications are that it pushes massively uninformed people into the arms of the two major political parties and ideologies which are bought and paid for by the highest bidder. Now people are hooked into voting themselves plunder from the treasury, worrying about BIRF CERTIFIKITS!, calling the other guy a Nazi because his tax policy is slightly different, etc.

Suddenly, people have turned civic involvement into the NFL. MY TEAM must win. I voted for the R so EVERYTHING the Rs do is now right, and they must win or America will explode. Never mind that 90% of what your "team" tells you is unfiltered bullshiat designed to dog whistle you with buzz words into pulling the voting lever and opening your wallet on command. The cycle continues, the Party grows and mutates, and wealth and power continue to consolidate thanks to Joseph McVoteypants's Pavlovian obedience to "make his voice heard."

Meanwhile, Bobby's soccer team still sucks yet he's still got his participation trophy. Not even attempting to be subtle, the Ds and Rs are gang-banging his mother and stealing his lunch money. But who cares? The important thing is that his voice was heard. He did his duty, right?

I need a blog.
//it will suck
2012-10-26 12:57:01 PM  
4 votes:

Happy Hours: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.

And if anyone thinks they are sending a message by not voting the message is they can't be bothered. If anyone wants to send a message that the choices suck they should turn in a blank ballot.

/will be voting.


If you want to send a message, vote for a third party candidate. If all the people sitting out the electiong in protest were to do that, it would be a signficant enough percentage of the total vote to send the message, "We're farking tired of your bullshiat". Perhaps then the politician will actually pay attention us for a change.

A blank ballot suggests you aren't intelligent enough to understand how to vote.
2012-10-26 12:34:01 PM  
4 votes:

Aarontology: Happy Hours: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.

Because they'll still biatch and f*cking moan about things


so?

I can biatch and moan about the person I vote for. I can biatch and moan about the person you vote for. And, I can biatch and moan about anyone even though I never voted. There is no entrance fee for biatching. it's not a special club.

I can even biatch and moan about the weather.
2012-10-26 10:26:47 AM  
4 votes:
Perhaps you're uncomfortable, for reasons having to do with privilege and class, arguing that people have an obligation to be informed before they vote.

What shiattery is this?!

Of course you should be informed. Of course there's a huge amount of information, and no, not everybody is going to follow every political analysis and complex tax proposal by every candidate, but Jesus, every single adult has the responsibility to decide what issues matter the most to them, and which candidate aligns most closely with their own views.

If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.
2012-10-26 10:25:07 AM  
4 votes:

Happy Hours: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.


Because they'll still biatch and f*cking moan about things
2012-10-26 01:36:31 PM  
3 votes:

moefuggenbrew: GanjSmokr: If you're serious, you should do research on it.

I'll give you a hint who NOT to vote for it you want legal weed, Romney/Obama.

Yes, seriously.

Basically, I have no candidate to vote for then...? Because one of those two guys is going to win.


Gary Johnson is one of the candidates who would like to bring an end to the war on drugs. I'm not stupid, I know he isn't going to win. I just couldn't bring myself to vote for Romney or Obama because I disagree with both of them on ~50% of the issues, whereas I agree with Gary Johnson (and Ron Paul) on ~95% of the issues.

Find out who you actually agree with on the issues: http://www.isidewith.com

And to those who would call my vote "wasted" I counter that an actual "wasted" vote is one cast for someone you don't agree with. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.
2012-10-26 01:18:39 PM  
3 votes:
Every time I don't feel like voting, I think about the sacrifices people made to give me this privilege:


www.rethinkingschools.org

rone92q.files.wordpress.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

abagond.files.wordpress.com

vanessabyers.typepad.com

www.traviscountydemocrats.org


They thought this right was important enough to protest for, fight for, and die for. Gets me off the couch every time.
2012-10-26 01:02:24 PM  
3 votes:

Mawson of the Antarctic: /people who don't vote worry me, your vote can only do something. If you don't vote you're doing nothing to either solve, change, or voicing your opinion about current affairs.


You're implying that voting is the only way to "solve, change or voice your opinion about current affairs".

This implication is A) patently false and B) its seeming truthfulness is part of the reason I refuse to Vote.
2012-10-26 12:47:49 PM  
3 votes:

rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.




Uhm, you have that backwards.
2012-10-26 12:46:23 PM  
3 votes:
I really don't get people who don't vote, sure in some states (mine for example) Romney is all but guaranteed a win, but there are several very important local races and issues. These local races and issues have a much greater bearing on my quality of life than whoever is in the White House.
2012-10-26 12:46:20 PM  
3 votes:
FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

What if you have made a conscious decision not to vote?

What if you like the idea of voting, but believe that the partisan politics system of this country is basically a crock of shiat and that at the end of the day it doesn't matter who is in office because it's always a politician.

What if, because of partisan politics, you're basically voting for the jackass that you hate the least?

In short

lordargent.com

// roughly half of the people in my state don't vote
2012-10-26 12:41:08 PM  
3 votes:
Unless you're one of the lucky few in swing states, not voting really isn't that big of a deal.

Besides, if you vote, you have not right to complain about politics afterwards since your side won/lost fair and square. Not voting means that you have the moral high ground to biatch as much as you want without lowering yourself to participating in the system.
2012-10-26 12:36:04 PM  
3 votes:

Aarontology: Happy Hours: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.

Because they'll still biatch and f*cking moan about things


That argument is the same as saying you can't complain about anything if the person you voted for is elected.

I will stop biatching and moaning about things as soon as I get to stop paying taxes, voting is irrelevant.
2012-10-26 12:35:59 PM  
3 votes:
There is no case. "I'm too busy" is not a case for not voting; it's a case for you being lazy.
2012-10-26 12:35:20 PM  
3 votes:
I don't vote because I refuse to take part in a morally bankrupt sham.
2012-10-26 12:34:17 PM  
3 votes:
Oh, so you think voting actually matters?

Let me laugh even harder.
2012-10-26 04:50:38 PM  
2 votes:

2headedboy: For some, not voting equals not participating in a sham. The corporate/elite/rich/1-percent control both parties. There is no choice, it's a 1-party system.


Really?

I used to think like that, when I was young and naive. Back in 2000 I saw no difference between Bush & Gore. I didn't trust Bush, and some stuff Lieberman said made me not want to vote for Gore. I did what I consider one of the great errors of my youth, I voted for Nader.

Do you really think Al Gore would have gone on with the "screw the environment, fark the world" agenda Shrub did? Would Al Gore have gone on the same single-minded zealous obsession with terrorism over most of the 2000's? I doubt it, I really do.

Voting for Obama is a vote for protecting the recently enacted healthcare reform, voting to support LBGT rights, and pro-choice. Voting for Romney is voting for saying "just don't get sick or hurt and you'll be okay", telling LBGT they are sinful perverts who don't deserve equal rights because that would destroy America, and essentially declaring eminent domain on uteruses.

Yeah, they are fairly alike on many issues, but those are also issues there is a pretty broad national consensus on, but there are differences, and if you need Obamacare to have health insurance, are LBGT, or are pro-choice you'd have to have extra holes in your head to sit by and let Rmoney get elected.

The Republican party as a whole has spent the last decade on a slide to the far right, to positions that would have been seen as extreme in the '90's. They spew derp like birtherism (and double down when it's debunked), wacky conspiracy theories and and parrot whatever talking points FOX News and AM talk radio tell them to think.

The two parties were much alike maybe 20 years ago, now we've got a centrist Democrat party and a far-right Republican party, and a center-right President Obama and an etch-a-sketch of Romney that is hard to pin down on most issues. He's like Schrodinger's candidate, outside of a few issues his position exists in a state of quantum uncertainty, and as soon as you know it. . .it changes.
2012-10-26 02:56:48 PM  
2 votes:
dl.dropbox.com
2012-10-26 02:02:23 PM  
2 votes:

Honest Bender: GanjSmokr: I don't see how voting 3rd party would be "throwing away" your vote if you weren't going to vote anyway...

...seriously?
I outlined my three voting options: Corporate Whore #1, Corporate Whore #2, and 3rd party trashcan.
I don't vote for the reasons I stated in my previous post. But if I did vote, and voted for 3rd party, it would just be tossing my vote in the trash.


Yes, seriously... you left out the last line of my post:

Throw Gary Johnson a vote. If he gets 5%, things might be more interesting next time around.

Unless you like being limited to the choices of CW1 and CW2 (which it seems you don't), do something to initiate change. If Gary Johnson gets 5% of the vote this time, we could see some change next time around.
2012-10-26 01:57:47 PM  
2 votes:

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


A plutocratic system that's corrupt to the core is just as bad as a dictatorship. Wake up and smell the reality - we don't live in a democracy anymore.
2012-10-26 01:51:46 PM  
2 votes:
Cognitive. Dissonance. No thank you. I'll keep my vote.
2012-10-26 01:42:09 PM  
2 votes:
Californian here. I think that voting doesn't matter in California.

1. It is going Obama no matter what.
2. Last time around, we voted for a high speed rail from San Fransico / Sacrament to LA. What we are getting is a medium speed train (in 30-50 years) from fresno to bakersfield. At 10 times the price. And some BART cars in the bay area. We are not getting what we voted for. Not even close.
3. Many of the people we vote for appoint or are outright frauds. When they get caught, they get a slap on the wrist, and say "sorry". Then back to shenanigans.
4. There is no option to say "Don't fill the position". That would be the true test of a candidates worth. Right now, not marking any candidate goes in the trash.
5. Sometimes a seeming step in the right direction is actually a step in the wrong direction. eg. Prop 8? Gay marriage (2008?). Seemingly the way for more equal protection of rights would be to vote for gay marriage. But by voting for or against gay marriage you are silently reinforcing the stance that government should be involved in marriage. The true way to have equality would be to get government out of marriage entirely. But there was no option for that.
6. Most people are morons (maybe I am also, but too dumb to know). We have a GMO prop this time around. I cannot find one person in my social group that understands anything about genetic modification other than GMO badd grrrrr. Or see example 2, Trains good.
7. Local elections. See example 6. I go to certain meetings, as they effect the job that I do, and when these idiots have proposals or new ideas etc. None of them understand anything. Then when I get up to the podium and explain it to them, they glaze over like I am explaining fusion or ancient egyptian writing. Most of them cant figure out how to use an Ipad. by the way, they voted themselves all Ipads the previous month so that they could work more "efficiently". Calling them tards just gets you thrown out of the meeting.

8. I have come to the conclusion that government isn't meant for me. It is just an evil that I must navigate my way around because I like not living in a cave. Government is for and by people that can barely wipe themselves. if you think I am wrong, just watch daily show or colbert, most of our elected officials know nothing about what they are legislating.

9. should people vote? yes. Does it do anything? no.
2012-10-26 12:59:09 PM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: There is no case. "I'm too busy" is not a case for not voting; it's a case for you being lazy.


Look, it's not that I'm lazy. It's that I just don't care. Who am I supposed to vote for? Am I supposed to vote for the republican who is going to blast me in the ass or the democrat who is blasting my ass? Politics is one big ass blast. I say we pull up our bootstraps, oil up a couple of asses and do a little plowing of our own.

/Not gay sex
2012-10-26 12:58:21 PM  
2 votes:
I never understood the argument some people make in not voting: "The candidates are the same." In this case they are not, they are miles apart. "You always choose the lesser of two evils." No, there is clearly a decent, if not good candidate, and a morally and ethically bankrupt one. "My voice doesn't get heard, the electoral college is a joke." Well, there's still state, local, and community elections. There are also ballot initiatives and the judges and sheriffs of your district. When you abstain from voting in an election, you also give up on the things that directly affect you.

Presidential Elections are not only about the President, in fact, can be more beneficial to vote your representatives both federally and at the state and city levels.

/people who don't vote worry me, your vote can only do something. If you don't vote you're doing nothing to either solve, change, or voicing your opinion about current affairs.
2012-10-26 12:57:20 PM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: shkkmo: I don't vote because I refuse to take part in a morally bankrupt sham.

Yeah, that'll definitely fix the problem.


Nope, but it won't make it worse either.

The other things I do with my life have a much better chance of helping the problem. However, personally my only hope is that the maker community manages to make in home fab units a reality and then the pirate party can truly make a difference.

Until then I don't see much hope in the big picture so I focus on the small one.

/If Ron Paul had won the election, I definitely would have voted because that shiat would be hilarious.
2012-10-26 12:52:56 PM  
2 votes:
Oh c'mon. My first time voting, and I'm waking up early (or just not going to bed) so I can beat the line to the polls before I go to class. 6am voting, yeeeaaahhh.
2012-10-26 12:50:45 PM  
2 votes:
I don't know about you guys but our ballot will have other races other than presidential.

So yea sure my vote wont count for prez, but it will for all the county races...

And there is something to say about reports of the popular vote...
2012-10-26 12:49:53 PM  
2 votes:
Here's a thought:

Abolish political parties. Then we'll see what happens.
2012-10-26 12:49:11 PM  
2 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: every single adult has the responsibility to decide what issues matter the most to them, and which candidate aligns most closely with their own views.


Okay I'll bite with this link to http://www.isidewith.com/. Hope they can keep up with the traffic.
2012-10-26 12:46:59 PM  
2 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: we're the ones saving your stupid asses.


Oh, you hero. Because they couldn't just pretend people voted anyway.
2012-10-26 12:44:02 PM  
2 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.


I guess you only have Constitutionally sacred rights IF you vote.
2012-10-26 12:39:42 PM  
2 votes:

thewulf: God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.

So you vote in the morons and I can't complain?

Oblig


No, you can't complain. You had a chance to voice your opinion, as other voters have, and you decided to ignore it completely. So no, no whining for you.
2012-10-26 12:37:58 PM  
2 votes:
Think you vote matters, just ask an economist.

I still vote and I know it's futile.
2012-10-26 12:37:43 PM  
2 votes:
For all the pro-vote haranguing, and the contempt shown toward those who expend their energy elsewhere, it seems worth noting that there are competing, worthy demands on our time. It's true that the moment we turn our backs, the world, as Alicia Keys says, may burn. But among the many privileges of life in a stable democracy is the knowledge that it probably won't.

You enjoy said privileges because of all the other people who get off their entitled, lazy asses and vote. There's no reason for you not to. Absolutely none, and you can biatch about "haranguing" by pro-voters all you want, we're the ones saving your stupid asses.
2012-10-26 12:35:34 PM  
2 votes:
a stable democracy stays that way in part due to its electorate actively taking part in that democracy.

and really, there are mail-in-ballots, early voting options, and more than enough digested information on the internet that making a decision and voting nowadays is really not hard.

for fark's sake, get out there and VOTE!
2012-10-26 12:33:01 PM  
2 votes:
Happy Hours: If anyone wants to send a message that the choices suck they should turn in a blank ballot.

/will be voting.

That's...not a bad idea actually, can you actually do that?

//Doesn't vote, choices suck
2012-10-27 02:34:33 PM  
1 votes:
MurphyMurphy
Yeah, like posting on the internet. Right?

You could:
Start/join a community radio channel and/or newsletter, to route around the corporate media

Start/join a grassroots and solidarity-based union branch like the IWW rather than 'business unions' that suck power out of the hands of the workers

Start/join a worker-owned/managed cooperative business

Support political prisoners

Support (or join!) people engaging in direct action to stop environmental destruction, such as the Keystone XL blockade in Texas or attempts to interfere with MTR coal mining in Appalachia

Take over a state capitol building

Grow as much of your own food as possible, learn how to cook and preserve it, and spread these skills to your community (maybe on a Freeschool model). Learn other skills that you would ordinarily have to pay someone for to reduce your reliance on a job or government program whose existence you cannot control.

Start/join a Copwatch patrol to document police brutality


whidbey
Not voting should be punishable by some kind of higher taxes or something.

That's cool. Double 'em. Two times zero is still zero.

Mandatory community service.

Tell me again how your team is so different from the fascists?
2012-10-26 10:15:04 PM  
1 votes:
Official Early Voting List

If your state is in this list, you can vote right now up to and including the date in parenthesis (November, October). Don't wait, vote while it's convenient and get it done!

Alaska (N6), Arizona (N2), Arkansas (N5), California (N6), Colorado (N2), DC (N3), Georgia (N2), Hawaii (N3), Idaho (N2), Illinois (N3), Indiana (N5), Iowa (N5), Kansas, (N5), Louisiana (O30), Maine (N6), Maryland (N1), Montana (N5), Nebraska (N5), Nevada (N2), New Jersey (N5), New Mexico (N3), North Carolina (N3), North Dakota (N5), Ohio (N5), South Dakota (N6), Tennessee (N1), Texas (N2), Utah (N2), Vermont (N5), West Virginia (N3), Wisconsin (N2), Wyoming (N5)

If your state isn't in this list, head to this site to see if your early voting date is coming.

If your state doesn't early vote, vote November 6th.

Finally, remember that your vote counts in local and state elections too. Just because your state is "safe" in the presidential election doesn't mean it's not important for your representatives or senators (and local officials/judges!).
Vote everywhere!


/Really, defending not voting?
//Vote
2012-10-26 08:19:45 PM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Oh, shut up.

I was extremely politically active for years. Before I could vote legally, I volunteered for political causes. From 18 onward, I voted in every election-- even the little local ones that everyone else ignored-- Because I had the idea that I was making some sort of difference.

And maybe in those little local elections I was making a difference. But in a Presidential election? A national election? I've learned better in the 23 years since I first filled in a ballot.

No matter who you vote for, the SAME PEOPLE will be running the world. The President is a celebrity face chosen by the true powers-that-be, and we cannot vote for or against those powers-that-be. They run the world as they see fit, and placate the rest of us with hollow elections that have ZERO effect on the big picture.

You say it's laziness, arrogance, and entitlement for me not to vote. I say it's pure, 100% childish naivety that motivates you to vote.

Here's what going to happen when the next Presidency begins: NOTHING DIFFERENT. Oh, sure, they'll say they're making changes, providing new possibilities, and pumping hope and sunshine up our asses, but then the bureaucratic process will kick in-- as it's designed to do-- and we'll get the same as we've always gotten from the powerful men in charge of this world: Just enough to keep us arguing with each other, participating in their economic design, and consuming like the complacent slugs our species became about two thousand years ago.

You say I'm an arrogant, lazy, entitled person for making the decision to opt out of the farce that is our election process. I say you're a naive fool who might as well be voting for unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows, ...


So, do you intend to do anything but biatch biatch biatch?

What will you do with your enlightened perceptions of our true persecution by our betters?

You know... until you are handed a situation that allows you to conveniently vote "yay or nay" against all the corruption and bad things in the world?

You think you have a monopoly on cynicism? Everyone just doesn't understand it the way you do... if only they could see things so clearly for what they were they would know it's all futile.

I admit, there are plenty of days I feel that way but one day you will be dead, and so will I, and since the game is already rigged and over before it began I guess there isn't much point in getting out of bed in the morning.

You have every right to feel the way you do, but you should recognize your nothing but a crybaby. You sound like a 20 year old that just realized the world wasn't what his cute poli sci teacher told him it was.

Maybe one vote doesn't do shiat, but you sure as hell aren't going to change anything lying down. You and yours act like if you don't vote, if you ignore the political process someone will suddenly say "hey guys, voter turnout is low, we should change the way we run this country and totally not just focus on swaying the vote of the X% that still turn out"

Government is corrupt, rigged, dirty and rotten to the core. But those that run it, the evils you espouse as unremovable and unchangeable... all men like you or me. That's all they are. You go on like we are trying to vote against the will of an almighty God.

You are the reason we fail. Why it seems so impossible. Quit biatching about the world and look in a goddamn mirror.

shiat in life didn't work out the way you thought it would?
Let me call the papers, stop the presses!

fark man, from a true cynic let me tell you, you've gone from cynic to full on retard. And you never go full retard.
2012-10-26 07:39:54 PM  
1 votes:

TheAuldTriangle: I early voted for Mitt in a swing state.


Fabulous.

You can go do your little dance in Hell, now.
2012-10-26 05:46:06 PM  
1 votes:

lennavan: Romney wants to increase taxes on the middle class, reduce taxes on the wealthy, ban abortion, take away rights from gays, de-regulate the health insurance industry bringing us back to a time with pre-existing conditions denying coverage bankrupting us, de-regulating businesses and increase military spending by $2 trillion while lowering tax revenue by $5 trillion.

be president. You can't take anything he says at face value. Not a single thing.
2012-10-26 05:31:35 PM  
1 votes:
There are only a handful of issues that are really, really important in the big picture of things, and upon which these 2 candidates are diametrically opposed.

HUGE Issue (top priority, long-term)... The wealth differential between the top few % and the poors is getting far, far worse and is utterly unsustainable in a free society. It is profoundly, fundamentally unAmerican. And one guy thinks it's just fine like that.

HUGE Issue (middle-distance view)... Supreme Court appointees. Probably 2, possibly 3. Bye-bye porn and gay marriage, and quite possibly abortion rights. Hello expanded rights of corporations to own your private information and run your life. And hello again to being denied health coverage due to pre-existing conditions.

HUGE Issue (nearer term)... Do you want a full-on war with Iran? Yes or no? Because that's the decision you need to make, right farking now.


That's it. Make your choices based on those 3 things, if it's all getting too confusing to you.
2012-10-26 05:20:35 PM  
1 votes:

RanDomino: "Direct action" is supporting the Democratic leadership

March forward to a glorious future of permanent 8% (reported) unemployment, 50 million uninsured, and six times as many empty houses as homeless people!


It's not going to change by pretending you're above it all, RanDomino.

than the scary right wing shiat we're seeing out of the Republicans.

Don't worry, we'll be calling the Democrats 'sane' for proposing the same things in 20 years.


They'd get a lot more sh*t passed if there weren't attitudes like yours that help Republican extremists get elected, and frankly, taken seriously.
2012-10-26 05:13:48 PM  
1 votes:

RanDomino: whidbey
Once again, it bears repeating that you have no solutions

Organize with solidarity and take direct action. It's not rocket science.


No, it's a bunch of hot air and words you're posting.

"Direct action" is supporting the Democratic leadership and not making patronizing comments about how they're worse than the scary right wing shiat we're seeing out of the Republicans.
2012-10-26 05:03:12 PM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: No matter who you vote for, the SAME PEOPLE will be running the world. The President is a celebrity face chosen by the true powers-that-be, and we cannot vote for or against those powers-that-be. They run the world as they see fit, and placate the rest of us with hollow elections that have ZERO effect on the big picture.


you think president gore would've nominated alito or roberts to the bench? do you think president gore would've invaded iraq?
2012-10-26 04:33:43 PM  
1 votes:
For some, not voting equals not participating in a sham. The corporate/elite/rich/1-percent control both parties. There is no choice, it's a 1-party system.
2012-10-26 04:25:51 PM  
1 votes:
I'm voting by not voting.

Look, the people who make TV shows realize that in order for a show to succeed it must appeal to the widest possible audience. It can't be too smart, to edgy, too racy, too this-or-that. It has to be middle, average. As a result, the vast majority of what you find on TV is garbage.

This is the same process a candidate employs in order to get elected: appeal to the largest number of people by embracing the largest possible average. As a result, candidates (and the elected officials they become) are equally garbage.

Government by fiat of the lowest common denominator seems dumb to me, and I've no interest in participating in the problem when I could be trying to think of a solution instead.

Voters of America: why do you care? You won't miss my one vote anyway.
2012-10-26 04:18:02 PM  
1 votes:
People have been saying: vote for the third party, it will change things next time. For the past 50 years. Free beer tomorrow.
2012-10-26 03:16:16 PM  
1 votes:

DeathByGeekSquad: I don't vote because I wont' vote for the lesser of two evils, which is what a number of people end up doing. A vote is a single statistic to the politician, they don't say, "Oh, Nancy voted for me, I'm going to listen to her views and act on them!", you're accepting a full package - a package created to garner the most votes. They don't care about you, your beliefs, your disagreement with parts of their plan - only that you voted for them.



There is an awful lot of pouting in this post. Because there is not a candidate that 100% reflects your views, you're going to sit in the corner and cry? Wow. After all of the fighting, protesting and lives lost to ensure everyone can vote, to ensure we're not ruled by a King and that everyone has an equal voice. After years upon years of struggle, it's nice to know Americans are so secure in their right to vote they are okay with just squandering it by crying in the corner.

Nice dude, nice.
2012-10-26 03:14:34 PM  
1 votes:

firefly212: The one thing the 2000 election taught me was that every once in a while, these things really do make a huge difference. Trillions of dollars of spending on destroying governments and rebuilding nations halfway around the world while neglecting our own citizens because of a supposed lack of funding... I voted this year, and I will vote every two years for the rest of my life.

If 538 more Floridians had voted for Gore, who knows what we could have had instead of Iraq.


Guess the Reps were more efficient at ballot stuffing that year.
2012-10-26 02:58:38 PM  
1 votes:
So, let's sum up.

Between the electoral college, gerrymandering, the two-party system that supports both, media companies that have ideological agendas in their reporting, voters who only think 1 or 2 issues are important, parties that appeal to their "base" by spouting off the most inane misinformation/insanity, and a system of primaries that ensures only certain kinds of candidates even end up in the main election, I am still supposed to be pleased that I live in a country where I can "vote," nevermind the lack if real impact it would have in my district and state.

So, if I don't vote I'm supposed to endure the insults of those who do choose to participate in the existing system (whose problems I outlined above) by voting for either Democrats or Republicans when neither party wants to correct the problems. And I'm supposed to endure the ridicule of those who vote for third-party candidates when that just skews election results towards either Republicans or Democrats, rather than accomplishing any real change.

In short, I am supposed to participate in the coming election by going to a poll and voting for the incumbents of the party that dominates my gerrymandered district because they mostly ran unopposed in their primary. I can vote for the opposition party, but since my district is drawn with scientific precision, the opposition party in my district has about $5 in funding an will earn a whopping 17% of the vote. Not only will that not make a difference, the system is set up so that the incumbents don't even have to worry about what a significant portion of their constituents think. Since the party leadership controls, to a great degree, who can even run or get support during primaries, it's not like I can vote in the primaries to get a candidate I like. Unopposed incumbents give me no real choice. And when it comes to the presidential election, I'm supposed to obediently march to the polls and vote for someone, even though my state will go for Romney. It doesn't matter if I am a die-hard Republican because enough Republicans will vote to ensure that Romney gets 100% credit for the state. It doesn't matter if I'm a Democrat because Romney will still get 100% credit for the state. Hell, I could be officially a Libertarian or Green, and it still won't matter because winner takes all. 

I see all those pictures of brave people trying to vote despite roadblocks in their path. I salute those brave souls. But you know what? I don't feel any guilt about not voting on election day, as I haven't for the past 10 years. Because I know, deep down inside, that at least I don't participate in a system that pretends to give people a choice when, in fact, it does nothing of the sort. It's not that Democrats and Republicans are the same (in many ways they are not), it's that they both hold on to political power using the same tools, tools which are designed to reduce the impact of my vote, not enhance it.

So, if you self-righteous "I'm disgusted at you because you don't vote" types want to feel that way, knock yourselves out. But I'll be sitting at home with a smug smile on my face because I'll know that I may not have voted, but at least I did not participate in the facade of representative government and help lend it legitimacy. If you bothered to vote in gerrymandered districts or states that are not swing states, congratulations. You helped lend legitimacy to a system that does not really represent the people. Still feel so smug?

You folks in swing states can at least have some impact, so knock yourselves out. And if you live in a real district, please vote. But for the 75% of us stuck in bullshiat districts and winner-take all states, spare us your sanctimonious "you don't vote because you're stupid" remarks. No, I don't vote because my money and time would be better spent sending a check to a PAC that can buy advertising in a swing state, you ass.
2012-10-26 02:57:55 PM  
1 votes:
The choices aren't good enough to make me wanna
make my name and new address available from the voter registration.
2012-10-26 02:57:40 PM  
1 votes:
I've never voted and in all likelihood, I never will. Why? Because in order for me to vote for someone, we have to share 100% of the same values, ideals, and opinions on EVERYTHING. I'm not about to give my vote to someone simply because I disagree with him or her less than the other guy.
2012-10-26 02:50:44 PM  
1 votes:
Joseph Stalin ... the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
2012-10-26 02:43:45 PM  
1 votes:

Honest Bender: GanjSmokr: Throw Gary Johnson a vote. If he gets 5%, things might be more interesting next time around.

Unless you like being limited to the choices of CW1 and CW2 (which it seems you don't), do something to initiate change. If Gary Johnson gets 5% of the vote this time, we could see some change next time around.

I've just GOT to ask... what's your logic behind this? That if Random Dude gets a paltry number of votes, somehow it'll shake up the whole corrupt system?


If Gary Johnson gets 5% of the popular vote, the Libertarian party will be entitled to matching federal funds (about $90 million) from the Federal Government next presidential election.

Again, unless you enjoy being tied to the 2 choices of (R) guy and (D) guy that are being essentially forced upon you, throw your vote away on Gary Johnson.
2012-10-26 02:13:26 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-10-26 02:04:20 PM


correct horse battery staple: offmymeds: Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.

Amusingly, that's actually the opposite of how parliamentary procedures generally work. By voting, you are agreeing to the terms of the vote, ie that the issue will be settled by the majority. You've agreed to the rules of the game, even if you lose.

To reserve the right to complain or revisit the issue later, you either find proof that the rules weren't followed, or you abstain from voting by declining your ballot.

PS: Not voting is not the same thing as declining your ballot. It's indicating that you don't care enough to show up, even though you were informed well in advance.

PPS: Spoiling your ballot is not the same thing as declining your ballot. Declining it indicates that you find all of the options presented to be unacceptable or you otherwise reject the voting rules. Spoiling your ballot indicates that you don't know how to use a voting machine.

In the grown up world, pouting is usually unsuccessful. If you don't like the rules of the game, you have to play by the rules to change the rules




In a situation where a "game" is fixed, you don't decide the rules, and yet will suffer the same consequences as all, an intelligent person will simply refuse to play the game anymore.
2012-10-26 02:02:09 PM  
1 votes:

IlGreven: Millennium: God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.

The First Amendment says otherwise, but in any event, I'm forced to wonder: would you paint active nonvoters ("I don't vote, and this is why") and passive nonvoters ("Meh; whatever") with the same brush?

I would. If only because most of these people later complain that the government isn't any good. Well, you get the government you voted for...or in this case, not.


If you are an anti-capitalist what is the point of voting for capitalist candidates?
2012-10-26 01:54:24 PM  
1 votes:

offmymeds: Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.


Amusingly, that's actually the opposite of how parliamentary procedures generally work. By voting, you are agreeing to the terms of the vote, ie that the issue will be settled by the majority. You've agreed to the rules of the game, even if you lose.

To reserve the right to complain or revisit the issue later, you either find proof that the rules weren't followed, or you abstain from voting by declining your ballot.

PS: Not voting is not the same thing as declining your ballot. It's indicating that you don't care enough to show up, even though you were informed well in advance.

PPS: Spoiling your ballot is not the same thing as declining your ballot. Declining it indicates that you find all of the options presented to be unacceptable or you otherwise reject the voting rules. Spoiling your ballot indicates that you don't know how to use a voting machine.
2012-10-26 01:47:07 PM  
1 votes:

Honest Bender: I don't vote because it makes no difference who wins. Do I want the Democratic representative to sell my future to the greedy and further strip me of my civil liberties or do I want the Republican representative to do so? Decisions decisions. Or I could throw my vote away on a third party or write-in candidate. My cup runneth over...


I don't see how voting 3rd party would be "throwing away" your vote if you weren't going to vote anyway...

Throw Gary Johnson a vote. If he gets 5%, things might be more interesting next time around.
2012-10-26 01:45:05 PM  
1 votes:
I love all the 'civic duty patriots' around election time...

I wish they cared this farking much the rest of the time - we might not have some pseudo
choice for different sides of the same coin, or a different talking head on the same set of strings.

\Don't break a rib trying to blow yourselves, tools.
2012-10-26 01:44:50 PM  
1 votes:
I don't vote because it makes no difference who wins. Do I want the Democratic representative to sell my future to the greedy and further strip me of my civil liberties or do I want the Republican representative to do so? Decisions decisions. Or I could throw my vote away on a third party or write-in candidate. My cup runneth over...
2012-10-26 01:32:52 PM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Perhaps I should have phrased that as "if you don't vote, nobody should respect your opinion on politics."

If someone misses voting because they had to rush their child to hospital or something, that's one thing, but if they just didn't care about who is governing them? Then fark them.


What if they just don't believe in the efficacy of their single vote? Someone in California has zero chance of influencing the election. On top of that, even if your vote did effect the election, there is no guarantee that your candidate will try or be able to make the changes you want? People like to pretend that voting is a powerful act but if you really think about it, it makes you realize how ineffectual you really are.
2012-10-26 01:24:58 PM  
1 votes:
What the fark are you people biatching about now? We have a mature, stable democracy - and one of the hallmarks of a stable democracy is consistency.

So, no matter who you vote for, you're going to get another Ivy-league lawyer beholden to Wall Street. See? Consistent.

/always at war with Eastasia
2012-10-26 01:23:01 PM  
1 votes:
Hey, who do I vote for if I want legal weed?
2012-10-26 01:20:36 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


Kids are starving in China so eat your vegetables? MOm, is that you?

But, seriously, attitudes like this turn people off to voting. I mean, really? You are disgusted by non-voters? Voting is 'sacred?' Give me a break. Voting is a right and not an obligation, just like owning a gun. But I'm sure you are not disgusted by people who don't own guns. Even for those who do vote, most have less chance of casting a meaningful ballot than winning the lottery. And for those people who don't care either way, I hope they don't vote. That would be a greater threat to democracy in my opinion. Someone casting a ballot for no reason other than to exercise their right is worse than someone who doesn't care staying away from the ballot box. Should we force everyone to vote? Do you not understand the irony in that?
2012-10-26 01:19:15 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.

Actually voting is a constitutionally protected right.

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

OH ya, so please explain to me why I should go vote. Seeing as how I'm in New York and my vote counts for a fraction of what a vote cast in Ohio counts for. Please go on and defend this asinine electoral system where peoples votes make no difference.


You should go vote. Marriage is legal and equal for everyone in NY because some people voted for the people who believe in expanding rights. Your property taxes depend on for whom you vote. Even in NY, your district's representative in the house answers to a relatively small handful of voters, including you. NY has some of the best pro-rated healthcare plans in the country for people who are poor, but don't qualify for medicaid thanks to a handful of state representatives elected by people just like you. The progress NY has made absolutely can be lost if you get complacent and a bunch of jackasses get into office.
2012-10-26 01:14:59 PM  
1 votes:
Listen, you moronic cum stains. It's not about one vote determining the outcome. It's about representation. Every vote closer to 100% turnout means truer representation in government. 100% voter turnout means 100% true representation of the American people in our government. And if no-information voters go out and vote in idiots, then that's pretty representative isn't it?

And you're not just voting for president, idiots. I could make a strong argument that results of local races will have much more effect on your life than president. People need to care a lot more about who their city council member or state senator is than they currently do.

Farking vote, idiots.
2012-10-26 01:14:45 PM  
1 votes:

mekkab: Oh, so you think voting actually matters?

Let me laugh even harder.


If 95% of the eligible voters did get off of their asses and voted, it certainly would.
2012-10-26 01:14:10 PM  
1 votes:

Slartibeerfest: Think you vote matters, just ask an economist.

I still vote and I know it's futile.


Thanks for asking.

Your vote matters.

I have no doubt that at least 538 potential Gore voters in FL in 2000 felt exactly the same way you do today, they stayed home, and figured everything would be the same no matter who was president. We went from projected surpluses to record deficits, had an insane war with no reasonable justification whatsoever that cost us more than a trillion dollars, tortured people, and ignored any intelligence that didn't fit our pro-war stances. Would Gore have done things differently? We won't ever get the chance to know what he would have done because those people, that little tiny handful of people, felt just like you do.
2012-10-26 01:14:04 PM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: No matter who you vote for, the SAME PEOPLE will be running the world. The President is a celebrity face


upload.wikimedia.org
2012-10-26 01:06:24 PM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Yes, because as mentioned above, if you genuinely don't like your choices, you can always spoil your ballot.

I can understand feeling that your vote doesn't matter if you live in a state that with a 99% probability of going a certain way - although I have to say your popular vote vs. electoral college system weirds me out. The thing is, your vote does matter. It gives legitimacy to the whole process. Otherwise you're saying "Eh, someone is going to govern me but I'll let other people decide who that is" and at that point, you might as well have a monarchy.



The other reason to vote, local elections, you my not like the presidential choices, but your vote could make the difference if your town has enough money to build a new school or repave that pothole strewn road you drive down every day and complain about.
2012-10-26 01:05:27 PM  
1 votes:
2012-10-26 01:00:21 PM  
1 votes:

OgreMagi: A blank ballot suggests you aren't intelligent enough to understand how to vote.


A mismarked ballot, perhaps, but a blank one? That's fairly obviously deliberate. It's not as though it can be traced back to you anyway, and it's useful for the people who collect statistics on this sort of thing. It's for that last reason that I encourage people who choose not to vote to at least cast blank ballots.
2012-10-26 12:59:20 PM  
1 votes:

thewulf: Abolish political parties. Then we'll see what happens.


Then someone will win the presidency with something like 2% of votes.

/there are problems with all forms
//not a big fan of spending hundreds of millions to talk about how you'll cut wasteful spending.
2012-10-26 12:51:14 PM  
1 votes:

Obbi: Happy Hours: If anyone wants to send a message that the choices suck they should turn in a blank ballot.

/will be voting.

That's...not a bad idea actually, can you actually do that?

//Doesn't vote, choices suck


If you're putting a piece of paper into a box to be counted later, then yes: that's allowed, and even if it weren't allowed there would be no way to trace the blank ballot back to you. If you feed the ballot into a scanner to be counted immediately, or punching your vote into a screen, then it depends on the system: some will work, some won't.
2012-10-26 12:50:06 PM  
1 votes:
Voting does imply agreement with what some consider a broken system.

If I was considering organizing or participating in a revolution (for example), an 80% voter turnout would dissuade me. A 30% voter turnout would tell me others are just as dissatisfied and jaded as me. A 7% voter turnout would have me in the streets.

/one way of looking at it
2012-10-26 12:48:33 PM  
1 votes:
I can think of a few good reasons not to vote, but every one of them involves active decisions: you deliberately choose not to vote for reasons you can articulate. TFA seems to take a more passive approach: not voting only because there are other priorities, or because of some perceived lack of reason to do so. That's ridiculous.

God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.


The First Amendment says otherwise, but in any event, I'm forced to wonder: would you paint active nonvoters ("I don't vote, and this is why") and passive nonvoters ("Meh; whatever") with the same brush?
2012-10-26 12:46:11 PM  
1 votes:
Do we really feel like we have a choice in something other than how we will be screwed??
2012-10-26 12:44:46 PM  
1 votes:

kumanoki: Three words: National Voting Day three day weekend


FTFY
2012-10-26 12:43:48 PM  
1 votes:

Happy Hours: If anyone wants to send a message that the choices suck they should turn in a blank ballot.


I tried that once. The automated machine spit my ballot out because it was blank. I was pissed.
2012-10-26 12:40:04 PM  
1 votes:
It doesn't matter anymore.

Neither party has our best interest in mind. Politicians are only in it for the money and power. The more they can gobble up, the better.

They don't give the first fark about "we the people".
2012-10-26 12:39:52 PM  
1 votes:
I'll just leave this here.
2012-10-26 12:39:41 PM  
1 votes:

shkkmo: I don't vote because I refuse to take part in a morally bankrupt sham.


So I get you think things are bad and hey, I agree with your assessment of the system. But you do realize what a system where you don't get to vote looks like though, right?
2012-10-26 12:39:19 PM  
1 votes:
If you don't vote, then in my mind, you have no right to complain about anything that happens in the next four years.
2012-10-26 12:39:16 PM  
1 votes:

pute kisses like a man: I can biatch and moan about the person I vote for. I can biatch and moan about the person you vote for. And, I can biatch and moan about anyone even though I never voted. There is no entrance fee for biatching. it's not a special club.

I can even biatch and moan about the weather.


And those you biatch to should tell you to STFU and GBTW. So presuming you're not voting, kindly STFU and GBTW.
2012-10-26 12:39:11 PM  
1 votes:
If a young person says BSAB, then they aren't voting.
If an old person says BSAB, then they are voting Republican.
2012-10-26 12:36:49 PM  
1 votes:

thewulf: God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.

So you vote in the morons and I can't complain?

Oblig


Bah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
2012-10-26 12:36:35 PM  
1 votes:

shkkmo: I don't vote because I refuse to take part in a morally bankrupt sham.


Yeah, that'll definitely fix the problem.
2012-10-26 12:35:14 PM  
1 votes:
Isn't voting part of the reason for the Arab Spring uprising last year?

/you have just as many hours in the day as Einstein, Edison, and other historic greats
//you could take advantage of early voting ala Obama
///slashies rock the vote!
2012-10-26 12:34:04 PM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.


So you vote in the morons and I can't complain?

Oblig
2012-10-26 12:33:49 PM  
1 votes:
The one thing the 2000 election taught me was that every once in a while, these things really do make a huge difference. Trillions of dollars of spending on destroying governments and rebuilding nations halfway around the world while neglecting our own citizens because of a supposed lack of funding... I voted this year, and I will vote every two years for the rest of my life.

If 538 more Floridians had voted for Gore, who knows what we could have had instead of Iraq.
2012-10-26 12:33:09 PM  
1 votes:
Early voted two days ago. Not in a swing state, so it wasn't very satisfying.
2012-10-26 12:31:28 PM  
1 votes:
I'm voting for turd sandwich this time.
 
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