If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Slate)   "The Case for Not Voting." Apparently it boils down to being too busy   (slate.com) divider line 474
    More: Asinine, Lena Dunham, false choice, Biden  
•       •       •

6662 clicks; posted to Main » on 26 Oct 2012 at 12:29 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



474 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-10-26 05:34:03 PM
Mr_Fabulous
HUGE Issue (top priority, long-term)... The wealth differential between the top few % and the poors is getting far, far worse and is utterly unsustainable in a free society. It is profoundly, fundamentally unAmerican. And one guy thinks it's just fine like that.

Ah, so Obama is proposing a top marginal tax rate of something at least a little more reasonable, like 80%, yes?

HUGE Issue (nearer term)... Do you want a full-on war with Iran? Yes or no? Because that's the decision you need to make, right farking now.

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Obama and Romney taking turns sucking Israel's dick.
 
2012-10-26 05:37:26 PM

RanDomino: Which undercut the possibility of single-payer, the only remotely humane option (but we can't offend those precious insurance corporations, now can we?)


Do you think that there's any chance AT ALL that the US Congress would support a single-payer system anytime in the next 20 years? There isn't. President Obama tried to get the "public option" included, which at least was Government provided insurance that anybody could buy, but Republicans blocked it.

What exists in the ACA is what could be dragged, kicking and screaming, from Congress. It's imperfect, it's watered down, but it's way better than what we had before and it's the first step towards something better.

Progressive ideals are far better served by voting for Obama, who holds those ideals even if they get tempered by political realities sometimes, than to not vote, vote for Romney, or flush your vote down the toilet with a vote for a third-party candidate who has a snowballs chance in a nuclear blast of even getting a single electoral vote.

I'm a progressive myself, I'd love for the US to have single-payer healthcare and a tax code that helps fix income inequality, but that is tempered with realism and knowing the political reality. That means voting Democratic, supporting the most progressive candidates in the Democrat primaries, and reminding my elected officials that the Democratic party still has a leftist element to it.
 
2012-10-26 05:39:43 PM

Deucednuisance: Perhaps you should exercise your franchise and vote in some folks who can Get Shiat Done?


Can't be done. The system is corrupt from start to finish. It's systemic.
 
2012-10-26 05:39:47 PM

RanDomino: Mr_Fabulous
HUGE Issue (top priority, long-term)... The wealth differential between the top few % and the poors is getting far, far worse and is utterly unsustainable in a free society. It is profoundly, fundamentally unAmerican. And one guy thinks it's just fine like that.

Ah, so Obama is proposing a top marginal tax rate of something at least a little more reasonable, like 80%, yes?

HUGE Issue (nearer term)... Do you want a full-on war with Iran? Yes or no? Because that's the decision you need to make, right farking now.

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Obama and Romney taking turns sucking Israel's dick.



Your concern is noted.

On your first point... yeah, a problem 32 years in the making isn't going to go away in the next 4. But one guy is going to make it worse, and the other probably isn't.

On your second point... I stand by what I said. One of those guys is going to take us to war with Iran, and the other probably will not.

Whine all you want, but I'm right.
 
2012-10-26 05:39:54 PM

RanDomino: whidbey
It's not going to change by pretending you're above it all, RanDomino.

No, but it IS going to change if we start doing more of that shiat OURSELVES rather than relying on a government and economic system that hates us.


You act as if it's impossible to do that while supporting a major political party.

The difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Democrats say to their radicals "Shut up! You're making us look bad (to the GOP base)!" and the Republicans say to their radicals "Crank it up, if it's between you and us they'll pick us every time!"

Yes, because both sides are the same. We know you think that.

Too bad it isn't really true.

Or shall I point to Obama's unilateral removal of Single Payer from the table before it was even demanded by the Republicans? Even if he knew it had no chance, you keep the outrageous demand as a bargaining chip. Obama's not stupid. He knows this. Now tell me, what other possible reason could he have for doing this, hmm?

Because we live in a right-wing country and that was the best deal he--or anyone-- was going to get. I know, that's so unthinkably simple to you.

Or how Obama wanted to keep the troops in Iraq, but the Iraqi government refused to grant them legal immunity?

The extrajudicial, unpunished, and unapologetic killing of a 15 year old US citizen in a drone strike last year? "He should have had a more responsible father."


All that shiat happened because people voted for Bush and his aggressive military policy.
Twice. And your holier/hipper than thou attitude helped elect that, just as you're helping to elect it --again.

God damn, this just keeps getting easier and easier. If this wasn't so effortless I wouldn't even bother with blind fanatics like you.

Dude, you are SO the fanatic here. I wouldn't be talking.
 
2012-10-26 05:41:40 PM

FarkedOver: I can understand not voting from an anti-capitalist standpoint. Your vote is going toward a candidate that wants to maintain the same old capitalist system. On the other hand, writing someone in or voting third party has its merits.

The socialist organization that I am a member of has decided to endorse voting for Jill Stein, but not her platform.

Voting for democrats and republicans is feeding the corrupt system.

/Remember, the lesser of two evils is still evil.


Go back to Russia, commie.
 
2012-10-26 05:42:54 PM

Silverstaff: What exists in the ACA is what could be dragged, kicking and screaming, from Congress. It's imperfect, it's watered down, but it's way better than what we had before and it's the first step towards something better.


It's like the Civil Rights Act of 1957. Deeply flawed, widely reviled and ultimately dumped. But it was an important foot in the door, and is taught in every U.S. history class in America today.
 
2012-10-26 05:46:06 PM

lennavan: Romney wants to increase taxes on the middle class, reduce taxes on the wealthy, ban abortion, take away rights from gays, de-regulate the health insurance industry bringing us back to a time with pre-existing conditions denying coverage bankrupting us, de-regulating businesses and increase military spending by $2 trillion while lowering tax revenue by $5 trillion.

be president. You can't take anything he says at face value. Not a single thing.
 
2012-10-26 05:46:09 PM

Honest Bender: Paelian: at least I did not participate in the facade of representative government and help lend it legitimacy.

Once upon a time in my youth, when I knew everything (as we all do in our teenage years), I tried to imagine what the perfect form of government would be.

I came to the conclusion that there are exactly two forms of government that would work well:

1. Pure democracy. None of that republican nonesense. And I use these terms in the literal sense, not in reference to our political parties. The only catch to such a system is that everyone who votes must be completely and thoroughly educated on the topic they are to vote on. And I mean it. No biased reporting, no spin or half truths. 100% knowledgeable on the topic at hand.

2. A pure dictatorship. You put one person in charge of the entire populace. They have their delegates for handling the menial day to day stuff but policy is left completely up to the dictator. The catch is that the dictator has to be 100% benevolent. They have to have the people's interests in mind and ONLY the people's interests in mind. This person doesn't have to be perfect but as long as they listen to the people and make well informed decisions it should work out (more or less).

I think we can all agree that both 1 and 2 are so improbable as to be considered impossible to achieve.


What about a third type? I call it a direct representative democracy but I've heard 'fluid democracy' and 'dynamic democracy' used as well.

To put the idea simply:

You can either participate in each vote directly, or you can delegate your vote to someone you think is more informed and has your interests at heart. This delegation is revokable at any time.

Of course, this one is also impossible, but possibly less so...
 
2012-10-26 06:05:47 PM

whidbey:

They'd get a lot more sh*t passed if there weren't attitudes like yours that help Republican extremists get elected, and frankly, taken seriously.


Like when they had the Presidency, House, and Senate?
 
2012-10-26 06:08:19 PM
Silverstaff
Do you think that there's any chance AT ALL that the US Congress would support a single-payer system anytime in the next 20 years? There isn't. President Obama tried to get the "public option" included, which at least was Government provided insurance that anybody could buy, but Republicans blocked it.

As everyone knew they would. So why not just shoot for the moon? Maybe they would have accepted Public Option if they were told they had to choose between that and Single Payer.

it's the first step towards something better.

I've seen many people assert that, and none give any kind of argument.

Progressive ideals are far better served by voting for Obama, who holds those ideals even if they get tempered by political realities sometimes, than to not vote, vote for Romney, or flush your vote down the toilet with a vote for a third-party candidate who has a snowballs chance in a nuclear blast of even getting a single electoral vote.

Vote, sure. If it makes you feel good. Just don't believe in it. Real change has never come solely through the ballot box. If you aren't organizing and acting in other ways, shut the fark up because your opinion is worthless.

and reminding my elected officials that the Democratic party still has a leftist element to it.

They will pay you lip service and ignore you. If you're lucky they may set up a ruse that allows you to blame those darn Republicans.


whidbey
You act as if it's impossible to do that while supporting a major political party.

The Democrats are in the business of portraying themselves as allied with radicals, and then selling them out. I witnessed it first-hand in Wisconsin. fark the Democrats.

Because we live in a right-wing country and that was the best deal he--or anyone-- was going to get.

Thanks for agreeing with my fundamental point that it's impossible to get anything more than barely sufficient within politics.

All that shiat happened because people voted for Bush and his aggressive military policy.

Those gosh darn The People. It's all THEIR fault!


Mr_Fabulous
It's like the Civil Rights Act of 1957. Deeply flawed, widely reviled and ultimately dumped. But it was an important foot in the door

To what? Black people are hardly better off economically than they were then. I'm sure you'll agree there are no negative connotations to the word "ghetto" here in bizarroworld.

Again, the government made a half-ass 'reform' that undermined grassroots activism because it threatened to succeed.
 
2012-10-26 06:08:50 PM

AllUpInYa: whidbey:

They'd get a lot more sh*t passed if there weren't attitudes like yours that help Republican extremists get elected, and frankly, taken seriously.

Like when they had the Presidency, House, and Senate?


Blanket statement, much?

If you really want to have a discussion about the past 4 years, maybe you should take the time to learn about them. Just a tip.
 
2012-10-26 06:11:05 PM
AllUpInYa
Like when they had the Presidency, House, and Senate?

But but but old people were yelling :(
 
2012-10-26 06:11:25 PM

RanDomino: whidbey
You act as if it's impossible to do that while supporting a major political party.

The Democrats are in the business of portraying themselves as allied with radicals, and then selling them out. I witnessed it first-hand in Wisconsin. fark the Democrats.


Bullsh*t. The entire debacle in WI was because of Scott Walker and the Republican party. Don't even be lying about it.

Because we live in a right-wing country and that was the best deal he--or anyone-- was going to get.

Thanks for agreeing with my fundamental point that it's impossible to get anything more than barely sufficient within politics.


I haven't agreed with anything you've said here.

All that shiat happened because people voted for Bush and his aggressive military policy.

Those gosh darn The People. It's all THEIR fault!


You've shown quite the history of not being able to grasp how apathetic the American people are. Not surprised you still don't get it.
 
2012-10-26 06:16:05 PM
whidbey
Bullsh*t. The entire debacle in WI was because of Scott Walker and the Republican party. Don't even be lying about it.

We took over the farking capitol building before the Democrats wrenched control. If it hadn't been for them driving it into electoral bullshiat and sucking out all the energy, we might have won.

You can't argue with results: The Democrats FAILED. Blame the Republicans all you like, but the fact remains that even if the Democrats are on our side, THEY CAN'T SAVE US.

You've shown quite the history of not being able to grasp how apathetic the American people are. Not surprised you still don't get it.

MUST... BLAME... OTHERS... HRRGH... DEMOCRATS... PERFECT...
 
2012-10-26 06:18:06 PM
Illusion of Choice!
New is same! No change!
Empty Suit!

BLARGH
 
xcv
2012-10-26 06:18:50 PM
Congress was able to make
 
xcv
2012-10-26 06:20:26 PM
/wrong thread. Damn add comment button.
 
2012-10-26 06:21:55 PM

RanDomino: You've shown quite the history of not being able to grasp how apathetic the American people are. Not surprised you still don't get it.

MUST... BLAME... OTHERS... HRRGH... DEMOCRATS... PERFECT...


I wonder. Could you possibly even more disingenuous in this exchange?

You can't argue with results: The Democrats FAILED. Blame the Republicans all you like, but the fact remains that even if the Democrats are on our side, THEY CAN'T SAVE US.

Obama isn't trying to get rid of unions.

What world do you live in half the time, RanDomino?
 
2012-10-26 07:15:31 PM

whidbey: What world do you live in half the time, RanDomino?


You know those Conservatives who think everything is a Liberal conspiracy? That the media, unions, teachers, and basically everyone except Real Americans are evil Libs out to ruin America?

RanDomino is experiencing the left-wing version of that, thinking everyone (except them) is part of some big corporate conspiracy and it's all the same, none meet his standards of being good and pure enough to work for The People. Democrats aren't liberal enough. Because we don't have single payer RIGHT NOW it's not good enough, and we still have police and a military we're an oppressive warmongering police state. . .

When I was young and naive, I thought like he did, that it was all the same, that there was no difference between Republicans and Democrats, that it was all a shell game. It's false sophistry, it's that sort of fake wisdom you get when you're in college and think you know so much you've started to see it all. Fake wisdom blended with the honest care for your fellow man that underlies progressivism creates this apathetic chimera that generates no actual progress.

Maybe at one point both parties were so similiar that there was some truth to that, at least a kernel of truth, but nowadays the right has gone far-right, and the only way to put the breaks on that national rightward slide is for the center and left to stand together and pull. . .the levers on ballot boxes.

One vote at a time, one election at a time. Progress will come. It will be slow, painful, awkward, but inevitable.

If there really were some vast conspiracy, they'd want people to not vote, to opt out of the system and assume the fix was in. It's a lot easier to rig the system when nobody is watching closely and not a lot of people are voting. An informed, active electorate is much more troublesome than an apathetic, passive one (no matter why they are passive, and if you're not voting, you're passive)
 
2012-10-26 07:17:49 PM

Silverstaff: Maybe at one point both parties were so similiar that there was some truth to that, at least a kernel of truth, but nowadays the right has gone far-right, and the only way to put the breaks on that national rightward slide is for the center and left to stand together and pull. . .the levers on ballot boxes.

 
2012-10-26 07:23:40 PM

GanjSmokr: SweetSaws: The candidate i want, Gary Johnson (L), has been sued off the ballot by the Republicans in my state. So why would I waste my time voting when I refuse to vote for Obama or Romney, and can't vote for the candidate i want?

Which state is that? Last I checked, Gary Johnson was on 48 state ballots with OK having nobody but O/R (with no write ins) and MI allows a write in of GJ.


Michigan. Oh wow, i didn't realize i could write him in. They sure have not done a good job advertising that fact. Now i'll vote!
 
2012-10-26 07:27:50 PM

SweetSaws: Michigan. Oh wow, i didn't realize i could write him in. They sure have not done a good job advertising that fact. Now i'll vote!


You hit the nail on the head as to why 3rd party candidates are a joke.

They can't even market themselves in a fashion that they're taken serously.
 
2012-10-26 07:38:52 PM
I early voted for Mitt in a swing state.
 
2012-10-26 07:39:54 PM

TheAuldTriangle: I early voted for Mitt in a swing state.


Fabulous.

You can go do your little dance in Hell, now.
 
2012-10-26 07:41:12 PM
I'll vote as soon as I no longer have to pick the lesser of two evils. As it is I'd just write myself in for every single elected position and that's a vote wasted. We haven't had an honorable president in more than a hundred years and I'd be surprised if there had been a single honorable person in any elected office in this country in the past 50. The system, its members, and its results, are absolutely disgusting and I'll not have anything to do with it.

Put another way, I think participating in our electoral system is as pathetic and irrelevant as participating in American Idol's electoral process. Screw merits, who's making the noise that I want to hear?

/Never vote for someone who actually wants the job.
 
2012-10-26 07:43:46 PM

Mr. Ekshun: I'll vote as soon as I no longer have to pick the lesser of two evils


Actually, not voting is all is a vote for the greater evil. Not that I[d expect you to understand that or anything, since this isn't your first time you've been confronted, or from the sound of it, the last.
 
2012-10-26 07:51:45 PM
I_Hate_Iowa: Listen, you moronic cum stains. It's not about one vote determining the outcome. It's about representation. Every vote closer to 100% turnout means truer representation in government. 100% voter turnout means 100% true representation of the American people in our government. And if no-information voters go out and vote in idiots, then that's pretty representative isn't it?

And you're not just voting for president, idiots. I could make a strong argument that results of local races will have much more effect on your life than president. People need to care a lot more about who their city council member or state senator is than they currently do.

Farking vote, idiots.


This is why I dont vote. People like you outnumber informed people 50-1 and determine who runs our country. You are the best description of the situation our country is in, how it got there, and why it's only going to get worse
 
2012-10-26 07:53:45 PM

Gdalescrboz: This is why I dont vot


I honestly don't know why anyone would brag about being that stupid.

Sorry, Well, not really/
 
2012-10-26 07:56:12 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.


First, guarantee that all or any voting is not rigged. THEN you may climb back upon your high horse.
 
2012-10-26 07:56:15 PM

Honest Bender: ProfessorOhki: If you don't vote at all, you're still tossing it in the trash; same net.

Yes. That's exactly the point I was trying to make. That the difference between voting and not voting is the same as leaving a piece of trash in the trash can vs. picking it up and selecting a different trash can to put it in.

But apparently I have a civic duty to select which trash can my trash should be put into. Regardless of the fact that it's all going to the landfill.


No. It's the difference between leaving a piece of trash on the ground and picking it up and putting it in a can. At least with the can, someone might notice that the can's been more full than usual lately. I wouldn't say you have a civic duty, but if you might as well complain in a way that leaves a record.
 
2012-10-26 08:00:19 PM

WordyGrrl: wildcardjack: I'm in Texas. Is that enough of an excuse to stay home?

No, get out there and vote! Too many people seem to think Texas votes 99% Republican, but that's not the case. It's been edging closer to 50/50. In the 2008 general election, McCain got 55.45%, while Obama got 43.68%. The US Senatorial race went 54.82% Republican to 42.83% Dem. And there are plenty of areas in Texas that are solidly Democratic.

Texan Democrats DO have the power to close those gaps and turn Texas purple (or blue) if they'd just get out there and vote instead of staying home and whining that "Oh, Texas is a red state so my vote doesn't count."  Go out there and kick some elephant ass!


I'm thinking about the horror that is Ohio this month and I don't know if I want Texas to become a swing state.
 
2012-10-26 08:04:17 PM
I'd tell you all how I feel about voting, but I can't until Wednesday when my column runs.

Sorry.
 
2012-10-26 08:11:51 PM
Actually, the number cause of bankruptcy is not having a good paying job. Obama sure as hell has not addressed that.
 
2012-10-26 08:19:45 PM

ZeroCorpse: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Oh, shut up.

I was extremely politically active for years. Before I could vote legally, I volunteered for political causes. From 18 onward, I voted in every election-- even the little local ones that everyone else ignored-- Because I had the idea that I was making some sort of difference.

And maybe in those little local elections I was making a difference. But in a Presidential election? A national election? I've learned better in the 23 years since I first filled in a ballot.

No matter who you vote for, the SAME PEOPLE will be running the world. The President is a celebrity face chosen by the true powers-that-be, and we cannot vote for or against those powers-that-be. They run the world as they see fit, and placate the rest of us with hollow elections that have ZERO effect on the big picture.

You say it's laziness, arrogance, and entitlement for me not to vote. I say it's pure, 100% childish naivety that motivates you to vote.

Here's what going to happen when the next Presidency begins: NOTHING DIFFERENT. Oh, sure, they'll say they're making changes, providing new possibilities, and pumping hope and sunshine up our asses, but then the bureaucratic process will kick in-- as it's designed to do-- and we'll get the same as we've always gotten from the powerful men in charge of this world: Just enough to keep us arguing with each other, participating in their economic design, and consuming like the complacent slugs our species became about two thousand years ago.

You say I'm an arrogant, lazy, entitled person for making the decision to opt out of the farce that is our election process. I say you're a naive fool who might as well be voting for unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows, ...


So, do you intend to do anything but biatch biatch biatch?

What will you do with your enlightened perceptions of our true persecution by our betters?

You know... until you are handed a situation that allows you to conveniently vote "yay or nay" against all the corruption and bad things in the world?

You think you have a monopoly on cynicism? Everyone just doesn't understand it the way you do... if only they could see things so clearly for what they were they would know it's all futile.

I admit, there are plenty of days I feel that way but one day you will be dead, and so will I, and since the game is already rigged and over before it began I guess there isn't much point in getting out of bed in the morning.

You have every right to feel the way you do, but you should recognize your nothing but a crybaby. You sound like a 20 year old that just realized the world wasn't what his cute poli sci teacher told him it was.

Maybe one vote doesn't do shiat, but you sure as hell aren't going to change anything lying down. You and yours act like if you don't vote, if you ignore the political process someone will suddenly say "hey guys, voter turnout is low, we should change the way we run this country and totally not just focus on swaying the vote of the X% that still turn out"

Government is corrupt, rigged, dirty and rotten to the core. But those that run it, the evils you espouse as unremovable and unchangeable... all men like you or me. That's all they are. You go on like we are trying to vote against the will of an almighty God.

You are the reason we fail. Why it seems so impossible. Quit biatching about the world and look in a goddamn mirror.

shiat in life didn't work out the way you thought it would?
Let me call the papers, stop the presses!

fark man, from a true cynic let me tell you, you've gone from cynic to full on retard. And you never go full retard.
 
2012-10-26 08:34:30 PM
Reason.com: The Case for Not Voting:

In his 1851 book Social Statics, the English radical Herbert Spencer neatly describes the rhetorical jujitsu surrounding voting, consent, and complaint, then demolishes the argument.

Say a man votes and his candidate wins. The voter is then "understood to have assented" to the acts of his representative.

But what if he voted for the other guy? Well, then, the argument goes, "by taking part in such an election, he tacitly agreed to abide by the decision of the majority."

And what if he abstained? "Why then he cannot justly complain...seeing that he made no protest."

Spencer tidily sums up: "Curiously enough, it seems that he gave his consent in whatever way he acted-whether he said yes, whether he said no, or whether he remained neuter! A rather awkward doctrine this."
 
2012-10-26 08:36:01 PM

Niveras: Spencer tidily sums up: "Curiously enough, it seems that he gave his consent in whatever way he acted-whether he said yes, whether he said no, or whether he remained neuter! A rather awkward doctrine this."


Well, somebody was a bit confused as to what constitutes citizen responsibility. Maybe it was all that "snuff" they used to get off on back then.
 
2012-10-26 08:47:08 PM

wildcardjack: WordyGrrl: wildcardjack: I'm in Texas. Is that enough of an excuse to stay home?

No, get out there and vote! Too many people seem to think Texas votes 99% Republican, but that's not the case. It's been edging closer to 50/50. In the 2008 general election, McCain got 55.45%, while Obama got 43.68%. The US Senatorial race went 54.82% Republican to 42.83% Dem. And there are plenty of areas in Texas that are solidly Democratic.

Texan Democrats DO have the power to close those gaps and turn Texas purple (or blue) if they'd just get out there and vote instead of staying home and whining that "Oh, Texas is a red state so my vote doesn't count."  Go out there and kick some elephant ass!

I'm thinking about the horror that is Ohio this month and I don't know if I want Texas to become a swing state.


Just let the calls go to voicemail and cancel your cable. Explore the wonder that is Hulu, Netflix, and the World Wide Web. There are even websites that will let you watch "Honey Boo Boo" and other fine television moments for free and without commercials.

/Someday when I get time, I'd like to compile a "Honey Boo Boo/Walking Dead" mashup promo.
 
2012-10-26 08:58:39 PM
A challenger appears: What If I don't want to vote for any of the candidates?

If both of the big 2 suck so bad that you don't even consider 1 the "lesser evil" just vote for a 3rd party person that you are essentially throwing away your vote on so you can essentially skip the POTUS but still actually vote on like you governor, senators, congressman, state rep etc.
 
2012-10-26 09:12:56 PM

mekkab: Oh, so you think voting actually matters?

Let me laugh even harder.


The tea party seems to think it does. 2010 was a big change from 2008. An organized left could do the same to the makup of the democratic party.
 
2012-10-26 09:15:44 PM

Oldiron_79: A challenger appears: What If I don't want to vote for any of the candidates?

If both of the big 2 suck so bad that you don't even consider 1 the "lesser evil" just vote for a 3rd party person that you are essentially throwing away your vote on so you can essentially skip the POTUS but still actually vote on like you governor, senators, congressman, state rep etc.


I understand the "throwing away the vote" mindset that makes people vote for the big 2.

But after this many decades of repeated failure (the big 2 can't fix the debt nor economy), can we not vote for a third party that can?
 
2012-10-26 09:23:01 PM

Niveras: Spencer tidily sums up: "Curiously enough, it seems that he gave his consent in whatever way he acted-whether he said yes, whether he said no, or whether he remained neuter! A rather awkward doctrine this."


Curiously enough, Spencer was unable to look up from his micro-inspection of one man's actions and acknowledge the macro-mechanics of the election itself. Which is, that it's constituted solely by those individual votes.

Interesting that the man who coined the term 'survival of the fittest' would have all serious regard for his philosophies die with him.

But what more can one expect from a libertarian blowhard? So full of his own purist b.s. he could never see the impracticality because he refused to acknowledge how the world actually worked.

He was the 19th century version of the same brand of idiots that thought the repeal of Glass-Steagall was a good idea.
Unfortunate he didn't live to see the Great Depression (the fruition of the brand of governing and economic philosophy he subscribed to).

I agree with his agnosticism... however I have a funny feeling that where we differ is that while I simply don't know if there is a God, I'm confident Spencer simply didn't know anything at all.
 
2012-10-26 09:23:18 PM
bmihura: Oldiron_79: A challenger appears: What If I don't want to vote for any of the candidates?

If both of the big 2 suck so bad that you don't even consider 1 the "lesser evil" just vote for a 3rd party person that you are essentially throwing away your vote on so you can essentially skip the POTUS but still actually vote on like you governor, senators, congressman, state rep etc.

I understand the "throwing away the vote" mindset that makes people vote for the big 2.

But after this many decades of repeated failure (the big 2 can't fix the debt nor economy), can we not vote for a third party that can?


the problem is you need minimum 4 parties for there to be more than 2.

If you have 3, the third will either get almost all his votes splitting the Republican vote (like Perot in '92 and '96) or get almost all their votes splitting the Democrats (like Wallace in '68) it would pretty much be impossible for 1 3rd party to split evenly from the Dems and Repubs
 
2012-10-26 09:40:14 PM
Considering how much the average American understand regarding civics, the candidates and their platforms; it's not such a bad thing.
 
2012-10-26 10:08:04 PM
One of these guys is worse than other one and anyone who has a chance to do something about that but doesn't care is a stupid asshole.
 
2012-10-26 10:15:04 PM
Official Early Voting List

If your state is in this list, you can vote right now up to and including the date in parenthesis (November, October). Don't wait, vote while it's convenient and get it done!

Alaska (N6), Arizona (N2), Arkansas (N5), California (N6), Colorado (N2), DC (N3), Georgia (N2), Hawaii (N3), Idaho (N2), Illinois (N3), Indiana (N5), Iowa (N5), Kansas, (N5), Louisiana (O30), Maine (N6), Maryland (N1), Montana (N5), Nebraska (N5), Nevada (N2), New Jersey (N5), New Mexico (N3), North Carolina (N3), North Dakota (N5), Ohio (N5), South Dakota (N6), Tennessee (N1), Texas (N2), Utah (N2), Vermont (N5), West Virginia (N3), Wisconsin (N2), Wyoming (N5)

If your state isn't in this list, head to this site to see if your early voting date is coming.

If your state doesn't early vote, vote November 6th.

Finally, remember that your vote counts in local and state elections too. Just because your state is "safe" in the presidential election doesn't mean it's not important for your representatives or senators (and local officials/judges!).
Vote everywhere!


/Really, defending not voting?
//Vote
 
2012-10-26 10:23:11 PM
I'm lucky in that I work 11a to 7p, get back in town around 7:30, and the polls (a mile from my house) close at 8. No lines, I'm in and out in less than 5 minutes. Could hardly be easier.
 
2012-10-26 10:34:48 PM
Citizen#1 to citizen#2: You know the two worst things regarding politics is ignorance and apathy; so what do you think we should do about it?

Citizen#2: I dont know and I dont care.
 
2012-10-26 10:36:16 PM
here in australia, voting is mandatory and minor parties actually hold the balance of power in parliament.

the result is a more involved and informed* electorate where fringe issues on all sides actually get a hearing, not just the gong of big business.


*this is not to say we don't have our idiots and passive resistors, but when you're getting 98% turnout and 95% countable ballots, involvement isn't debatable. and never overlook people's need to not feel stupid - even if they're only becoming marginally informed
 
2012-10-26 10:51:02 PM

AmbassadorBooze: 7. Local elections. See example 6. I go to certain meetings, as they effect the job that I do, and when these idiots have proposals or new ideas etc. None of them understand anything. Then when I get up to the podium and explain it to them, they glaze over like I am explaining fusion or ancient egyptian writing.


This hyar.

It is way past time to found the Reason Party. There are reasonable approaches to damn near every issue. It's a shame that no current party extols them as an ovewhelming majority of their platform.
 
Displayed 50 of 474 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report