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(Slate)   "The Case for Not Voting." Apparently it boils down to being too busy   (slate.com) divider line 474
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2012-10-26 01:32:52 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Perhaps I should have phrased that as "if you don't vote, nobody should respect your opinion on politics."

If someone misses voting because they had to rush their child to hospital or something, that's one thing, but if they just didn't care about who is governing them? Then fark them.


What if they just don't believe in the efficacy of their single vote? Someone in California has zero chance of influencing the election. On top of that, even if your vote did effect the election, there is no guarantee that your candidate will try or be able to make the changes you want? People like to pretend that voting is a powerful act but if you really think about it, it makes you realize how ineffectual you really are.
 
2012-10-26 01:34:06 PM  

Lando Lincoln: mekkab: Oh, so you think voting actually matters?

Let me laugh even harder.

If 95% of the eligible voters did get off of their asses and voted, it certainly would.


Well, that all depends on who's on the ballot, doesn't it?
 
2012-10-26 01:34:56 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: This is the first election I'm voting in and I'm 31. I was either stationed overseas and didn't do the absentee ballot or I just could not 100% feel that someone running I could vote for and feel good about it. When I decided that this year I had to vote, I told people and was immediately congratulated until they found out I wasn't voting for who they were and I was told I was wasting my vote. That and I've been told I'm voting against MY interests.


This is exactly why I don't discuss politics.
 
2012-10-26 01:35:00 PM  

insano: Voting is a right and not an obligation


The old saw about knowing your rights, all the while ignoring your obligations to those rights. The rights have to be enumerated on paper. The responsibilities are supposed to come from living in that enumerated society, in order to protect those rights.

Someone casting a ballot for no reason other than to exercise their right is worse than someone who doesn't care staying away from the ballot box.

Part of the responsibility is to have a reasonably informed picture of what's going on in your society, both greater and local. That's implied in this conversation, but it isn't said enough. But people have so much fun exercising their right to do whatever the fark they want at any given time, they completely forget about the responsibility portion. It's as though it doesn't even exist. The entitlement mentality of a person who thinks they have all the rights of a society and no responsibility to it is precisely what will destroy this country.

And that's exactly what people are talking about when they say that people get the government they deserve.
 
2012-10-26 01:35:58 PM  

Pharmdawg: I think many more people would vote if there was a "none of the above" option, even if there is only an incumbent listed.


Or "anyone else". If you want to make a statement, get 1000 friends together and vote against every incumbent. May not help, but the parties do track the trending numbers of the incumbents they run for each office.
 
2012-10-26 01:36:16 PM  

MoronLessOff: This is exactly why I don't discuss politics.


The best part is I didn't even tell them who I was voting for. I just said "guess who" and they assumed.
 
2012-10-26 01:36:31 PM  

moefuggenbrew: GanjSmokr: If you're serious, you should do research on it.

I'll give you a hint who NOT to vote for it you want legal weed, Romney/Obama.

Yes, seriously.

Basically, I have no candidate to vote for then...? Because one of those two guys is going to win.


Gary Johnson is one of the candidates who would like to bring an end to the war on drugs. I'm not stupid, I know he isn't going to win. I just couldn't bring myself to vote for Romney or Obama because I disagree with both of them on ~50% of the issues, whereas I agree with Gary Johnson (and Ron Paul) on ~95% of the issues.

Find out who you actually agree with on the issues: http://www.isidewith.com

And to those who would call my vote "wasted" I counter that an actual "wasted" vote is one cast for someone you don't agree with. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.
 
2012-10-26 01:37:47 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: a61sun: God Is My Co-Pirate: Perhaps you're uncomfortable, for reasons having to do with privilege and class, arguing that people have an obligation to be informed before they vote.

What shiattery is this?!

Of course you should be informed. Of course there's a huge amount of information, and no, not everybody is going to follow every political analysis and complex tax proposal by every candidate, but Jesus, every single adult has the responsibility to decide what issues matter the most to them, and which candidate aligns most closely with their own views.

If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.

So you're saying roughly 67% of the country has no right to complain?

....just wondering

Perhaps I should have phrased that as "if you don't vote, nobody should respect your opinion on politics."

If someone misses voting because they had to rush their child to hospital or something, that's one thing, but if they just didn't care about who is governing them? Then fark them.


It's not that I don't care, I don't vote because even if I DO vote, it changes nothing.

And I care about respect for political opinions why? Will my voting change anyone's respect for my political opinion?

Will my ONE vote change ANYthing??
 
2012-10-26 01:38:24 PM  

Well I use Mac/Linux...: Because all you people voting for someone based on the color of their skin, or how much of a tax break they promise you are SO much better than those of us who simply don't give a fark.


Yeah, pretty much.

Of course some peopel vote based on what they think will be best for the country, but go ahead and think yourself more sophisticated because you're lazy and don't think you should give anything back to the country like maybe ten minutes of your time each week to read real news.
 
2012-10-26 01:39:16 PM  
I'm sure somebody has posted this already but...

No I won't if

"This is the best we can do folks".
 
2012-10-26 01:39:33 PM  

doubled99: offmymeds Smartest
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2012-10-26 01:06:53 PM


doubled99: offmymeds Smartest
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2012-10-26 12:44:58 PM


Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.



Well, I guess that's the important thing.

No, the important thing is that I exercised my right to vote.



Words, Empty words. No, the only important thing is you can puff yourself up by saying so afterwards and pretend you did something important.


And you can't even pretend.
 
2012-10-26 01:41:31 PM  
Plenty of other things besides president/representative on the ballot here. At least you can vote no on all the idiotic propositions.

/Then watch them pass anyway
 
2012-10-26 01:41:33 PM  

GanjSmokr: And to those who would call my vote "wasted" I counter that an actual "wasted" vote is one cast for someone you don't agree with. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.


The other saying is: "It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it."
 
2012-10-26 01:41:39 PM  
The case for voting is very simple: The most intelligent and highest earning people in the world vote. I would prefer to be one of those people. Through the years, I have discarded my vote on John Anderson and Ross Perot. But I always vote.
 
2012-10-26 01:42:07 PM  
Im more worried about a lot of the things ill be voting on for the state and local levels than who is president. In my state we have quaestions on gay marriage, in state tuition for illegal immigrants, expanding gambling and weather or not elected offcials can keep their jobs if they have been arrested during their term.
 
2012-10-26 01:42:09 PM  
Californian here. I think that voting doesn't matter in California.

1. It is going Obama no matter what.
2. Last time around, we voted for a high speed rail from San Fransico / Sacrament to LA. What we are getting is a medium speed train (in 30-50 years) from fresno to bakersfield. At 10 times the price. And some BART cars in the bay area. We are not getting what we voted for. Not even close.
3. Many of the people we vote for appoint or are outright frauds. When they get caught, they get a slap on the wrist, and say "sorry". Then back to shenanigans.
4. There is no option to say "Don't fill the position". That would be the true test of a candidates worth. Right now, not marking any candidate goes in the trash.
5. Sometimes a seeming step in the right direction is actually a step in the wrong direction. eg. Prop 8? Gay marriage (2008?). Seemingly the way for more equal protection of rights would be to vote for gay marriage. But by voting for or against gay marriage you are silently reinforcing the stance that government should be involved in marriage. The true way to have equality would be to get government out of marriage entirely. But there was no option for that.
6. Most people are morons (maybe I am also, but too dumb to know). We have a GMO prop this time around. I cannot find one person in my social group that understands anything about genetic modification other than GMO badd grrrrr. Or see example 2, Trains good.
7. Local elections. See example 6. I go to certain meetings, as they effect the job that I do, and when these idiots have proposals or new ideas etc. None of them understand anything. Then when I get up to the podium and explain it to them, they glaze over like I am explaining fusion or ancient egyptian writing. Most of them cant figure out how to use an Ipad. by the way, they voted themselves all Ipads the previous month so that they could work more "efficiently". Calling them tards just gets you thrown out of the meeting.

8. I have come to the conclusion that government isn't meant for me. It is just an evil that I must navigate my way around because I like not living in a cave. Government is for and by people that can barely wipe themselves. if you think I am wrong, just watch daily show or colbert, most of our elected officials know nothing about what they are legislating.

9. should people vote? yes. Does it do anything? no.
 
2012-10-26 01:44:02 PM  
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2012-10-26 01:39:33 PM


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2012-10-26 01:06:53 PM


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2012-10-26 12:44:58 PM


Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.



Well, I guess that's the important thing.

No, the important thing is that I exercised my right to vote.



Words, Empty words. No, the only important thing is you can puff yourself up by saying so afterwards and pretend you did something important.

And you can't even pretend.


Don't need to. But thanks for acknowledging the importance of casting that vote. So you can say stuff later and feel good.
 
2012-10-26 01:44:29 PM  

jigger: GanjSmokr: And to those who would call my vote "wasted" I counter that an actual "wasted" vote is one cast for someone you don't agree with. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.

The other saying is: "It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it."


I like that and I will be using it. Thanks!
 
2012-10-26 01:44:32 PM  

midigod: The old saw about knowing your rights, all the while ignoring your obligations to those rights. The rights have to be enumerated on paper. The responsibilities are supposed to come from living in that enumerated society, in order to protect those rights


Where in the constitution or the bill of rights does it state: "these are your inalienable rights that you are born with as a citizen of the United States, unless you do not protect them by voting"? Obligations and responsibilities are those things you must do or face punishment (Jury duty, paying taxes, etc.) Voting has no such obligation. I am voting, but do I have an obligation to do so? No.
 
2012-10-26 01:44:50 PM  
I don't vote because it makes no difference who wins. Do I want the Democratic representative to sell my future to the greedy and further strip me of my civil liberties or do I want the Republican representative to do so? Decisions decisions. Or I could throw my vote away on a third party or write-in candidate. My cup runneth over...
 
2012-10-26 01:45:05 PM  
I love all the 'civic duty patriots' around election time...

I wish they cared this farking much the rest of the time - we might not have some pseudo
choice for different sides of the same coin, or a different talking head on the same set of strings.

\Don't break a rib trying to blow yourselves, tools.
 
2012-10-26 01:45:48 PM  

insano: midigod: The old saw about knowing your rights, all the while ignoring your obligations to those rights. The rights have to be enumerated on paper. The responsibilities are supposed to come from living in that enumerated society, in order to protect those rights

Where in the constitution or the bill of rights does it state: "these are your inalienable rights that you are born with as a citizen of the United States, unless you do not protect them by voting"? Obligations and responsibilities are those things you must do or face punishment (Jury duty, paying taxes, etc.) Voting has no such obligation. I am voting, but do I have an obligation to do so? No.


Also, protect rights from who? Other voters?
 
2012-10-26 01:46:08 PM  
I have the right not to vote and f*ck you if you have a problem with me exercising that right no matter what reason I choose to exercise that right with.
 
2012-10-26 01:46:32 PM  

GanjSmokr: jigger: GanjSmokr: And to those who would call my vote "wasted" I counter that an actual "wasted" vote is one cast for someone you don't agree with. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is still voting for evil.

The other saying is: "It's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it."

I like that and I will be using it. Thanks!


Why? If I do or don't vote I'm still going to get it.
 
2012-10-26 01:46:55 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Alabamian voting for Obama.

I might as well throw my vote away.


Same here. Though fingers crossed my vote for Vance against Roy Moore will not be in vain.
 
2012-10-26 01:47:00 PM  
I would've read Kerry Howley's stupid farking Slate piece about not voting because there are other things to do in the world, but I had better things to do with my time.

/like commenting about it on Fark
 
2012-10-26 01:47:07 PM  

Honest Bender: I don't vote because it makes no difference who wins. Do I want the Democratic representative to sell my future to the greedy and further strip me of my civil liberties or do I want the Republican representative to do so? Decisions decisions. Or I could throw my vote away on a third party or write-in candidate. My cup runneth over...


I don't see how voting 3rd party would be "throwing away" your vote if you weren't going to vote anyway...

Throw Gary Johnson a vote. If he gets 5%, things might be more interesting next time around.
 
2012-10-26 01:47:24 PM  
Maybe I just want to exercise my Constitutionally protected right not to vote.
 
2012-10-26 01:47:41 PM  
rumpelstiltskin

Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.


Tell that to the groups in the history of the U.S. who fought for the right to have the responsibility to vote.

say it with me now.

Women
Black people.
 
2012-10-26 01:48:21 PM  

Hobo Jr.: Alabamian voting for Obama.

I might as well throw my vote away.


This is how I feel too, but I still feel good casting my democratic vote in a red state. I mean if other democrats see that there were some other democratic votes then it will keep them from giving up too.
 
2012-10-26 01:48:55 PM  

insano: Obligations and responsibilities are those things you must do or face punishment (Jury duty, paying taxes, etc.) Voting has no such obligation. I am voting, but do I have an obligation to do so? No.


Please reread my post. I said that the rights were enumerated, not the responsibilities. I'm sorry that you feel as though you have no responsibilities to this society other than those you'd face punishment for avoiding. Your attitude is all too common, and in its ignorance, proves my point.
 
2012-10-26 01:49:55 PM  

insano: God Is My Co-Pirate: Perhaps I should have phrased that as "if you don't vote, nobody should respect your opinion on politics."

If someone misses voting because they had to rush their child to hospital or something, that's one thing, but if they just didn't care about who is governing them? Then fark them.

What if they just don't believe in the efficacy of their single vote? Someone in California has zero chance of influencing the election. On top of that, even if your vote did effect the election, there is no guarantee that your candidate will try or be able to make the changes you want? People like to pretend that voting is a powerful act but if you really think about it, it makes you realize how ineffectual you really are.


Well, up here in Canda we have (or had before Harper started dismantling it) a system where every single vote resulted in a per-vote subsidy - roughly $2 - to the party you voted for. Green, Separatist, Communist, you name it, your vote directly supported them, and that's how our parties were funded. I loved that because you could genuinely support a party that had no chance of actually winning any seats.
 
2012-10-26 01:50:35 PM  

insano: Also, protect rights from who? Other voters?


Protect those rights from being removed. For your own sake, please take a civics class.
 
2012-10-26 01:50:51 PM  

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


*Yawn*

/I'll be sleeping in
 
2012-10-26 01:51:03 PM  
Possible way to make it so your vote starts to count by making third party candidates more viable.

http://2-by-2.org/concept
 
2012-10-26 01:51:19 PM  

moefuggenbrew: Basically, I have no candidate to vote for then...? Because one of those two guys is going to win.


If you think voting is only about picking a team that has the potential of winning, then yeah, you don't. But if you think like that then unless you live in a swing state, it doesn't really matter who you vote for anyway.
 
2012-10-26 01:51:46 PM  
Cognitive. Dissonance. No thank you. I'll keep my vote.
 
2012-10-26 01:52:48 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: MoronLessOff: This is exactly why I don't discuss politics.

The best part is I didn't even tell them who I was voting for. I just said "guess who" and they assumed.


Awesome. This is also why I stopped Facebook. I signed up right around the last election to keep in touch with a friend that was headed out of the country for a vacation. Shortly after that, every other message was political. I got sick of it and just stopped checking.
 
2012-10-26 01:53:12 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: That and I've been told I'm voting against MY interests.


You voted against boobs!!??! You monster!
 
2012-10-26 01:53:17 PM  
Here's a potentially long-term and powerful change we can create with our votes this year: 

www.garyjohnson2012.com/videos
 
2012-10-26 01:53:17 PM  

nmemkha: [cdn.ebaumsworld.com image 555x448]

Add to non-voters those too lazy to think for themselves and instead vote for the nice man in a suit who says he represents Jesus with his plan to render orphans into pig feed.


Yes but that plan brings down the price of bacon, and I love bacon.
 
2012-10-26 01:53:19 PM  
The Rs and Ds are yin and yang, reflexively taking opposing viewpoints on every single issue. If one says the sky is blue, the other must take the position that it is clearly green. However, they both acknowledge the agreement and actively fight to keep their relationship exclusive so that they can continue their good cop/bad cop act. I cannot support this system as it's no different in concept to the Soviet Communist Party choosing the one and only candidate for Premier.

I'll vote for a third party choice in the hope that one day, enough disaffected voters will get them over the hump to Federal Matching Funds. That's the best I can hope for. Also, it makes me feel like Don Quixote, which is nice.
 
2012-10-26 01:54:23 PM  
Wow some people have built a nice warm little isolation bubble around themselves haven't they?

It must be nice to be so privileged that recent history and current events have impacted you in no way whatsoever.

Here is a hint folks. It's not a math problem. It's ebb and flow. It's a god damned grind. The things that you find troubling will not be repaired or replaced overnight. You have to wear the farkers down.

Or you can be a lazy coward and hide behind righteous indignation. It's your choice. You are most likely already wasting your life, why not waste your vote as well...
 
2012-10-26 01:54:24 PM  

offmymeds: Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.


Amusingly, that's actually the opposite of how parliamentary procedures generally work. By voting, you are agreeing to the terms of the vote, ie that the issue will be settled by the majority. You've agreed to the rules of the game, even if you lose.

To reserve the right to complain or revisit the issue later, you either find proof that the rules weren't followed, or you abstain from voting by declining your ballot.

PS: Not voting is not the same thing as declining your ballot. It's indicating that you don't care enough to show up, even though you were informed well in advance.

PPS: Spoiling your ballot is not the same thing as declining your ballot. Declining it indicates that you find all of the options presented to be unacceptable or you otherwise reject the voting rules. Spoiling your ballot indicates that you don't know how to use a voting machine.
 
2012-10-26 01:55:48 PM  

spidermilk: Hobo Jr.: Alabamian voting for Obama.

I might as well throw my vote away.

This is how I feel too, but I still feel good casting my democratic vote in a red state. I mean if other democrats see that there were some other democratic votes then it will keep them from giving up too.


Plus if solid red states start to win by less and less of a margin in future elections, then eventually the GOP is going to have to defend a once solid red state.

So go and vote, even if you know Obama is not going to win in Alabama or Texas, etc.
 
2012-10-26 01:57:34 PM  

correct horse battery staple: offmymeds: Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.

Amusingly, that's actually the opposite of how parliamentary procedures generally work. By voting, you are agreeing to the terms of the vote, ie that the issue will be settled by the majority. You've agreed to the rules of the game, even if you lose.


You're not talking about the same thing. offmymeds wasn't talking about complaining that his guy won. He was talking about complaining if his guy didn't do the things he said he would, or was stymied by some other influences. So don't pretend you're arguing against him; you're arguing a completely different point.
 
2012-10-26 01:57:47 PM  

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


A plutocratic system that's corrupt to the core is just as bad as a dictatorship. Wake up and smell the reality - we don't live in a democracy anymore.
 
2012-10-26 01:58:00 PM  
No pity for those who are 'too busy' to vote. I usually vote right after work at about 5:30-6 PM. It has never taken more than 10 minutes. If that was a problem I would go right after getting up or take an hour off of work to go vote.

As far as researching the candidates, if I don't have an idea already then when I get my sample ballot I look them up online and see how they run on the issues. If I really don't care or don't think I have enough info to make an informed decision then I don't vote on that single race.

And not voting because 'both candidates suck'? No. I'm voting Obama. I don't agree with all of his views. He is better than others though. I consider SCOTUS a huge reason for voting- in 2004 I couldn't determine who to vote for, but based my vote on who I wanted appointing justices.

Figure out what is most important to you and figure out who is going to do best on those things. If you spent half the time that you spent 'designing' your next tattoo on deciding who to vote for then I think you can do it.
 
2012-10-26 01:58:03 PM  

Fast Thick Pants: You voted against boobs!!??! You monster!


Their rein of terror is OVER
 
2012-10-26 01:58:08 PM  

GanjSmokr: I don't see how voting 3rd party would be "throwing away" your vote if you weren't going to vote anyway...


...seriously?
I outlined my three voting options: Corporate Whore #1, Corporate Whore #2, and 3rd party trashcan.
I don't vote for the reasons I stated in my previous post. But if I did vote, and voted for 3rd party, it would just be tossing my vote in the trash.
 
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