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2012-10-26 01:08:21 PM
Actually voted for the first time (aged 32). Didn't vote for any candidate for any race (save a write-in for President)*, but I did vote on most of the local/state initiatives (the ones of which I could understand the consequences).

*There was one local/state candidate identified as 'Independent' but their website conveyed no meaningful information about them (same with judges' websites)

/Not in a swing state
//Local races were almost exclusively unopposed candidates
///Will never vote for anyone with a party affiliation
 
2012-10-26 01:08:29 PM

Warlordtrooper: OH ya, so please explain to me why I should go vote. Seeing as how I'm in New York and my vote counts for a fraction of what a vote cast in Ohio counts for. Please go on and defend this asinine electoral system where peoples votes make no difference.


Aside from the obvious trolling attempt by saying that people's votes make no difference, your vote makes a difference anyway. This election has many more choices than just the President; you have local and statewide initiatives, judge retention, and constitutional amendments, as well as representatives from your state. The fact that so many aren't even mentioning those concerns in this discussion is terribly disturbing. Those races DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE in your daily life, and they're often decided by only a few votes, even in the most populous states.
 
2012-10-26 01:08:37 PM

darwinpolice: umad: turd sand

That's racist.


that's ignorant.
 
2012-10-26 01:11:00 PM

unyon: pute kisses like a man: I can biatch and moan about the person I vote for. I can biatch and moan about the person you vote for. And, I can biatch and moan about anyone even though I never voted. There is no entrance fee for biatching. it's not a special club.

I can even biatch and moan about the weather.

And those you biatch to should tell you to STFU and GBTW. So presuming you're not voting, kindly STFU and GBTW.


as a steward of liberty, I say, biatch and moan as you like, I also say, tell people to shut that fark up and go back to work as you like.

as a footsoldier of democracy, I say, I believe in a secret ballot. my voting practices are no one's farking business.

so, you can say stfu and gbtw, and I won't care about the statement. But, i do care that your justification is false. the antecedent to your justification for such statement is presumptive, ignorant, and in your case, unknowable. So, you should remove your justification and just say that you arbitrarily like to tell people to stfu and gbtw.
 
2012-10-26 01:11:01 PM

Tom_Slick: The other reason to vote, local elections, you my not like the presidential choices, but your vote could make the difference if your town has enough money to build a new school or repave that pothole strewn road you drive down every day and complain about.


I would vote in Local elections, but I've been itinerant for a while and I don't feel like I have a enough of a stake in any one community to have the right to vote on their issues. I'm currently in the processing of possibly settling down; maybe I'll vote local in the future.
 
2012-10-26 01:11:46 PM
I suspect all the "too cool to vote" guys are reasonably well-off straight white men.

Nobody can seriously claim that both parties are the same, when one party genuinely treats women and gays and ethnic minorities and poor people as somehow less than fully human.
 
2012-10-26 01:12:56 PM
Because all you people voting for someone based on the color of their skin, or how much of a tax break they promise you are SO much better than those of us who simply don't give a fark.
 
2012-10-26 01:13:53 PM
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2012-10-26 01:06:53 PM


doubled99: offmymeds Smartest
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2012-10-26 12:44:58 PM


Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.



Well, I guess that's the important thing.

No, the important thing is that I exercised my right to vote.




Words, Empty words. No, the only important thing is you can puff yourself up by saying so afterwards and pretend you did something important.
 
2012-10-26 01:14:04 PM

ZeroCorpse: No matter who you vote for, the SAME PEOPLE will be running the world. The President is a celebrity face


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-26 01:14:08 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Nobody can seriously claim that both parties are the same, when one party genuinely treats women and gays and ethnic minorities and poor people as somehow less than fully human.


Where as the other party does the same but manages to make us feel good about it?
 
2012-10-26 01:14:10 PM

Slartibeerfest: Think you vote matters, just ask an economist.

I still vote and I know it's futile.


Thanks for asking.

Your vote matters.

I have no doubt that at least 538 potential Gore voters in FL in 2000 felt exactly the same way you do today, they stayed home, and figured everything would be the same no matter who was president. We went from projected surpluses to record deficits, had an insane war with no reasonable justification whatsoever that cost us more than a trillion dollars, tortured people, and ignored any intelligence that didn't fit our pro-war stances. Would Gore have done things differently? We won't ever get the chance to know what he would have done because those people, that little tiny handful of people, felt just like you do.
 
2012-10-26 01:14:11 PM
37 here. never been registered, and have never rooted for the guy who lost.
 
2012-10-26 01:14:45 PM

mekkab: Oh, so you think voting actually matters?

Let me laugh even harder.


If 95% of the eligible voters did get off of their asses and voted, it certainly would.
 
2012-10-26 01:14:59 PM
Listen, you moronic cum stains. It's not about one vote determining the outcome. It's about representation. Every vote closer to 100% turnout means truer representation in government. 100% voter turnout means 100% true representation of the American people in our government. And if no-information voters go out and vote in idiots, then that's pretty representative isn't it?

And you're not just voting for president, idiots. I could make a strong argument that results of local races will have much more effect on your life than president. People need to care a lot more about who their city council member or state senator is than they currently do.

Farking vote, idiots.
 
2012-10-26 01:15:47 PM

midigod: Warlordtrooper: OH ya, so please explain to me why I should go vote. Seeing as how I'm in New York and my vote counts for a fraction of what a vote cast in Ohio counts for. Please go on and defend this asinine electoral system where peoples votes make no difference.

Aside from the obvious trolling attempt by saying that people's votes make no difference, your vote makes a difference anyway. This election has many more choices than just the President; you have local and statewide initiatives, judge retention, and constitutional amendments, as well as representatives from your state. The fact that so many aren't even mentioning those concerns in this discussion is terribly disturbing. Those races DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE in your daily life, and they're often decided by only a few votes, even in the most populous states.


I concede that local elections DO have an effect. Unfortunately, I'm severely outnumbered in my area, so my vote is a drop in the sea of opposing (and greatly misinformed) opinions.

But nationally? NO EFFECT. As Carlin put it, this country was bought, paid for, and divvied up long ago.
 
2012-10-26 01:15:55 PM

doubled99: offmymeds Smartest
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2012-10-26 01:06:53 PM


doubled99: offmymeds Smartest
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2012-10-26 12:44:58 PM


Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.



Well, I guess that's the important thing.

No, the important thing is that I exercised my right to vote.



Words, Empty words. No, the only important thing is you can puff yourself up by saying so afterwards and pretend you did something important.


So you're not voting then?
 
2012-10-26 01:17:34 PM
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Voting in CA is way more important than most other states. Yeah, our Presidential Electoral process is bunk, but we directly vote on shiat that has an immediate impact on our day to day lives. California ballot initiatives have had a greater effect on my everyday life than any specific act from a President. Also, the President usually needs permission from Congress to get anything done; a good President will persuade Congress and cut deals to get things done (of course sometimes those things are bunk).
 
2012-10-26 01:17:47 PM

shkkmo: darwinpolice: umad: turd sand

That's racist.

that's ignorant.


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-26 01:18:16 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Perhaps you're uncomfortable, for reasons having to do with privilege and class, arguing that people have an obligation to be informed before they vote.

What shiattery is this?!

Of course you should be informed. Of course there's a huge amount of information, and no, not everybody is going to follow every political analysis and complex tax proposal by every candidate, but Jesus, every single adult has the responsibility to decide what issues matter the most to them, and which candidate aligns most closely with their own views.

If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.


So you're saying roughly 67% of the country has no right to complain?

....just wondering
 
2012-10-26 01:18:39 PM
Every time I don't feel like voting, I think about the sacrifices people made to give me this privilege:


www.rethinkingschools.org

rone92q.files.wordpress.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

abagond.files.wordpress.com

vanessabyers.typepad.com

www.traviscountydemocrats.org


They thought this right was important enough to protest for, fight for, and die for. Gets me off the couch every time.
 
2012-10-26 01:18:40 PM

Jacobin: Early voted two days ago. Not in a swing state, so it wasn't very satisfying.


Same here... voted two days ago but my state is a swing state. NC went blue in '08... hoping the same for '12
 
2012-10-26 01:18:52 PM

pute kisses like a man: Aarontology: Happy Hours: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.
Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.

Because they'll still biatch and f*cking moan about things

so?
I can biatch and moan about the person I vote for. I can biatch and moan about the person you vote for. And, I can biatch and moan about anyone even though I never voted. There is no entrance fee for biatching. it's not a special club.

I can even biatch and moan about the weather.


"Everybody complains about the weather, but nobody do anything about it." - C. D. Warner
 
2012-10-26 01:19:04 PM

MoronLessOff: ZeroCorpse: No matter who you vote for, the SAME PEOPLE will be running the world. The President is a celebrity face

[upload.wikimedia.org image 548x429]


EXACTLY.

Doug Adams got it.
 
2012-10-26 01:19:15 PM

Warlordtrooper: rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.

Actually voting is a constitutionally protected right.

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

OH ya, so please explain to me why I should go vote. Seeing as how I'm in New York and my vote counts for a fraction of what a vote cast in Ohio counts for. Please go on and defend this asinine electoral system where peoples votes make no difference.


You should go vote. Marriage is legal and equal for everyone in NY because some people voted for the people who believe in expanding rights. Your property taxes depend on for whom you vote. Even in NY, your district's representative in the house answers to a relatively small handful of voters, including you. NY has some of the best pro-rated healthcare plans in the country for people who are poor, but don't qualify for medicaid thanks to a handful of state representatives elected by people just like you. The progress NY has made absolutely can be lost if you get complacent and a bunch of jackasses get into office.
 
2012-10-26 01:20:23 PM

I_Hate_Iowa: Listen, you moronic cum stains. It's not about one vote determining the outcome. It's about representation. Every vote closer to 100% turnout means truer representation in government. 100% voter turnout means 100% true representation of the American people in our government. And if no-information voters go out and vote in idiots, then that's pretty representative isn't it?

And you're not just voting for president, idiots. I could make a strong argument that results of local races will have much more effect on your life than president. People need to care a lot more about who their city council member or state senator is than they currently do.

Farking vote, idiots.


Wow. Now I absolutely have to make sure I get to the polls. This well written, eloquent statement as to why I should cast my ballot cannot be ignored. I must spread this message to my fellow Americans verbatim.
 
2012-10-26 01:20:36 PM

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


Kids are starving in China so eat your vegetables? MOm, is that you?

But, seriously, attitudes like this turn people off to voting. I mean, really? You are disgusted by non-voters? Voting is 'sacred?' Give me a break. Voting is a right and not an obligation, just like owning a gun. But I'm sure you are not disgusted by people who don't own guns. Even for those who do vote, most have less chance of casting a meaningful ballot than winning the lottery. And for those people who don't care either way, I hope they don't vote. That would be a greater threat to democracy in my opinion. Someone casting a ballot for no reason other than to exercise their right is worse than someone who doesn't care staying away from the ballot box. Should we force everyone to vote? Do you not understand the irony in that?
 
2012-10-26 01:21:17 PM

ZeroCorpse:
Oh, shut up.


We get it. You're bitter. You're welcome to try to make things better, like a responsible person in society, or you can just wheeze and biatch about everything and sit back and not do anything.

Looks like you chose the latter. Good for you, but you're not really needed anymore. If you literally have no hope, no ambition to make a voting nation more civil, then there's no need for you.

Get the fark over it.
 
2012-10-26 01:22:04 PM
My brother has health care because of our current President.
Your brother may have died in a foreign county because of a former President.

You bet your farking ass you have an obligation to voice your opinion on these matters...

So do it.
 
2012-10-26 01:22:27 PM
I feel there's degrees to how much my vote counts.

Presidential elections - Pretty much nothing, although my state is starting to trend away from the expected person our electoral college would vote in. So maybe...who knows?

House/Senate - A bit more heated, and my vote actually can make somewhat of a difference. Not much, as generally the districts have their champions, but occasionally one of them will say some idiotic thing to get themselves in trouble and the other guy can muster enough votes to pull off an upset.

Local measures - We had a lot of them this year, and I think this is probably the most direct way my vote can actually count for something. It's a much smaller batch of votes to count, and often these measures get very close on election day.

So does your vote count? Sure, but maybe not in the grandiose way you're imagining. But when you're grousing and griping about who possibly passed a law upping your local sales tax or allowing criminals to sue their victims when they defend themselves? Well, you did, when you didn't vote against it because there was a Charles in Charge marathon on.
 
2012-10-26 01:23:01 PM
Hey, who do I vote for if I want legal weed?
 
2012-10-26 01:23:07 PM
If you believe that voting doesn't matter and have decided to not vote, how about you vote for who I'm voting for. Every one of you apathetics.

You already said it won't matter, so this won't change anything, right?.
 
2012-10-26 01:23:48 PM
It's true that the moment we turn our backs, the world, as Alicia Keys says, may burn. But among the many privileges of life in a stable democracy is the knowledge that it probably won't.

That is just great. Go ahead and do your yoga and read a book and fart around on f*cking Facebook all day, the rest of us will take care of that whole "democracy" thing - not that you care whether it's a democracy or military junta or an anarcho-syndicalist commune or whatever, just as long as you have your "me" time.

Listen, you lazy, complacent, irresponsible, freeloading, useless bint: I've re-read Moby Dick twice. Didn't keep me from making informed votes in every election of my adult life.
 
2012-10-26 01:23:59 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: No, you can't complain. You had a chance to voice your opinion


Not on a ballot, I didn't.
 
2012-10-26 01:24:14 PM
Stupid people in this thread: It doesn't matter who I vote for. They're all the same crooked politicians.

Tell that to every gay member of the armed forces that can now serve openly without worrying about being kicked out. Tell that to every person with a pre-existing condition that can find health insurance now. Tell that to the auto workers that didn't lose their jobs in 2009.

Grow up and use your farking brains instead of copping out because thinking is hard.
 
2012-10-26 01:24:29 PM

moefuggenbrew: Hey, who do I vote for if I want legal weed?


If you're serious, you should do research on it.

I'll give you a hint who NOT to vote for it you want legal weed, Romney/Obama.
 
2012-10-26 01:24:58 PM
What the fark are you people biatching about now? We have a mature, stable democracy - and one of the hallmarks of a stable democracy is consistency.

So, no matter who you vote for, you're going to get another Ivy-league lawyer beholden to Wall Street. See? Consistent.

/always at war with Eastasia
 
2012-10-26 01:25:12 PM
I'm not going to vote. My company gives me thre hours off on election day, so I am really looking forward to going into work at 11am on whatever day election day is.
 
2012-10-26 01:25:12 PM

ZeroCorpse: I concede that local elections DO have an effect. Unfortunately, I'm severely outnumbered in my area, so my vote is a drop in the sea of opposing (and greatly misinformed) opinions.

But nationally? NO EFFECT. As Carlin put it, this country was bought, paid for, and divvied up long ago.


I'm not buying that, because you're using the national portion of the election as an excuse for not voting at all. I would encourage you to go out and vote, even if only for the one or two things on the ballot you believe in. Leave the rest blank. Don't let the majority in your area believe that they own the entire opinion. You have to make your voice known. Please do it. It would genuinely mean something to me.
 
2012-10-26 01:25:46 PM

A challenger appears: What If I don't want to vote for any of the candidates?


There's more than candidates on the typical ballot, if your state allows ballot initiatives in the first place.

But yeah, usually all candidates on any ballot are total shiat and it's not worth it.
 
2012-10-26 01:26:26 PM

jigger: The My Little Pony Killer: No, you can't complain. You had a chance to voice your opinion

Not on a ballot, I didn't.


image.spreadshirt.com
 
2012-10-26 01:26:51 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.


You've got it exactly backward.
 
2012-10-26 01:27:15 PM

a61sun: God Is My Co-Pirate: Perhaps you're uncomfortable, for reasons having to do with privilege and class, arguing that people have an obligation to be informed before they vote.

What shiattery is this?!

Of course you should be informed. Of course there's a huge amount of information, and no, not everybody is going to follow every political analysis and complex tax proposal by every candidate, but Jesus, every single adult has the responsibility to decide what issues matter the most to them, and which candidate aligns most closely with their own views.

If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.

So you're saying roughly 67% of the country has no right to complain?

....just wondering


Perhaps I should have phrased that as "if you don't vote, nobody should respect your opinion on politics."

If someone misses voting because they had to rush their child to hospital or something, that's one thing, but if they just didn't care about who is governing them? Then fark them.
 
2012-10-26 01:29:08 PM
I may not vote, but in fairness, I don't complain about my taxes or really anything that voting would've changed.
 
2012-10-26 01:29:13 PM

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


I vote by cheating and breaking the system every way I can get away with.
 
2012-10-26 01:29:20 PM
I wish this were on my DVR so I could fast forward through all this crap.

and the Carlin Quote up above, well played. I heard it yesterday on the comedy station.
 
2012-10-26 01:29:56 PM
This is the first election I'm voting in and I'm 31. I was either stationed overseas and didn't do the absentee ballot or I just could not 100% feel that someone running I could vote for and feel good about it. When I decided that this year I had to vote, I told people and was immediately congratulated until they found out I wasn't voting for who they were and I was told I was wasting my vote. That and I've been told I'm voting against MY interests.
 
2012-10-26 01:30:28 PM
I think many more people would vote if there was a "none of the above" option, even if there is only an incumbent listed.
 
2012-10-26 01:31:16 PM

GanjSmokr: If you're serious, you should do research on it.

I'll give you a hint who NOT to vote for it you want legal weed, Romney/Obama.


Yes, seriously.

Basically, I have no candidate to vote for then...? Because one of those two guys is going to win.
 
2012-10-26 01:32:12 PM
Voting isn't everything. In fact most of the gains made by the working class were not done via the ballot box.
 
2012-10-26 01:32:51 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: You enjoy said privileges because of all the other people who get off their entitled, lazy asses and vote. There's no reason for you not to. Absolutely none, and you can biatch about "haranguing" by pro-voters all you want, we're the ones saving your stupid asses.


offmymeds: Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.


How can you complain,offmymeds? According to The My Little Pony Killer, you voters are saving us all.
 
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