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2012-10-26 12:46:23 PM
I really don't get people who don't vote, sure in some states (mine for example) Romney is all but guaranteed a win, but there are several very important local races and issues. These local races and issues have a much greater bearing on my quality of life than whoever is in the White House.
 
2012-10-26 12:46:59 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: we're the ones saving your stupid asses.


Oh, you hero. Because they couldn't just pretend people voted anyway.
 
2012-10-26 12:47:49 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.




Uhm, you have that backwards.
 
2012-10-26 12:48:20 PM

lordargent: What if you like the idea of voting, but believe that the partisan politics system of this country is basically a crock of shiat and that at the end of the day it doesn't matter who is in office


So you're asking what if you're stupid? Yeah, that's what we're saying. If you're stupid, you wouldn't vote. You would also believe things like "it doesn't matter who is in office."
 
2012-10-26 12:48:23 PM
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2012-10-26 12:48:33 PM
I can think of a few good reasons not to vote, but every one of them involves active decisions: you deliberately choose not to vote for reasons you can articulate. TFA seems to take a more passive approach: not voting only because there are other priorities, or because of some perceived lack of reason to do so. That's ridiculous.

God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.


The First Amendment says otherwise, but in any event, I'm forced to wonder: would you paint active nonvoters ("I don't vote, and this is why") and passive nonvoters ("Meh; whatever") with the same brush?
 
2012-10-26 12:48:56 PM

david_gaithersburg: rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.



Uhm, you have that backwards.


Actually it's both.
 
2012-10-26 12:49:11 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: every single adult has the responsibility to decide what issues matter the most to them, and which candidate aligns most closely with their own views.


Okay I'll bite with this link to http://www.isidewith.com/. Hope they can keep up with the traffic.
 
2012-10-26 12:49:53 PM
Here's a thought:

Abolish political parties. Then we'll see what happens.
 
2012-10-26 12:50:06 PM
Voting does imply agreement with what some consider a broken system.

If I was considering organizing or participating in a revolution (for example), an 80% voter turnout would dissuade me. A 30% voter turnout would tell me others are just as dissatisfied and jaded as me. A 7% voter turnout would have me in the streets.

/one way of looking at it
 
2012-10-26 12:50:12 PM
The My Little Pony Killer : No, you can't complain. You had a chance to voice your opinion, as other voters have, and you decided to ignore it completely.

Opinions can not be adequately expressed by little checkboxes.
 
2012-10-26 12:50:28 PM
I would love to have the day off for the election. But I can eitehr go to the polls when they open at 7 am before work and I know they will be mobbed or Ill leave work a little early and go on my way home from work. I wish I worked closer to the polling place. But I should get there before 8pm so Ill be ok. I was actually suprised at the midterm election I got there right before the wave of last minute voters got there.
 
2012-10-26 12:50:45 PM
I don't know about you guys but our ballot will have other races other than presidential.

So yea sure my vote wont count for prez, but it will for all the county races...

And there is something to say about reports of the popular vote...
 
2012-10-26 12:51:10 PM

thewulf: Here's a thought:

Abolish political parties. Then we'll see what happens.


That's a good idea. We should all vote on it.
 
2012-10-26 12:51:14 PM

Obbi: Happy Hours: If anyone wants to send a message that the choices suck they should turn in a blank ballot.

/will be voting.

That's...not a bad idea actually, can you actually do that?

//Doesn't vote, choices suck


If you're putting a piece of paper into a box to be counted later, then yes: that's allowed, and even if it weren't allowed there would be no way to trace the blank ballot back to you. If you feed the ballot into a scanner to be counted immediately, or punching your vote into a screen, then it depends on the system: some will work, some won't.
 
2012-10-26 12:52:56 PM
Oh c'mon. My first time voting, and I'm waking up early (or just not going to bed) so I can beat the line to the polls before I go to class. 6am voting, yeeeaaahhh.
 
2012-10-26 12:57:01 PM

Happy Hours: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.

And if anyone thinks they are sending a message by not voting the message is they can't be bothered. If anyone wants to send a message that the choices suck they should turn in a blank ballot.

/will be voting.


If you want to send a message, vote for a third party candidate. If all the people sitting out the electiong in protest were to do that, it would be a signficant enough percentage of the total vote to send the message, "We're farking tired of your bullshiat". Perhaps then the politician will actually pay attention us for a change.

A blank ballot suggests you aren't intelligent enough to understand how to vote.
 
2012-10-26 12:57:20 PM

qorkfiend: shkkmo: I don't vote because I refuse to take part in a morally bankrupt sham.

Yeah, that'll definitely fix the problem.


Nope, but it won't make it worse either.

The other things I do with my life have a much better chance of helping the problem. However, personally my only hope is that the maker community manages to make in home fab units a reality and then the pirate party can truly make a difference.

Until then I don't see much hope in the big picture so I focus on the small one.

/If Ron Paul had won the election, I definitely would have voted because that shiat would be hilarious.
 
2012-10-26 12:57:28 PM

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


Every person who doesn't vote makes your vote that much stronger. Calm down.
 
2012-10-26 12:58:21 PM
I never understood the argument some people make in not voting: "The candidates are the same." In this case they are not, they are miles apart. "You always choose the lesser of two evils." No, there is clearly a decent, if not good candidate, and a morally and ethically bankrupt one. "My voice doesn't get heard, the electoral college is a joke." Well, there's still state, local, and community elections. There are also ballot initiatives and the judges and sheriffs of your district. When you abstain from voting in an election, you also give up on the things that directly affect you.

Presidential Elections are not only about the President, in fact, can be more beneficial to vote your representatives both federally and at the state and city levels.

/people who don't vote worry me, your vote can only do something. If you don't vote you're doing nothing to either solve, change, or voicing your opinion about current affairs.
 
2012-10-26 12:59:09 PM

qorkfiend: There is no case. "I'm too busy" is not a case for not voting; it's a case for you being lazy.


Look, it's not that I'm lazy. It's that I just don't care. Who am I supposed to vote for? Am I supposed to vote for the republican who is going to blast me in the ass or the democrat who is blasting my ass? Politics is one big ass blast. I say we pull up our bootstraps, oil up a couple of asses and do a little plowing of our own.

/Not gay sex
 
2012-10-26 12:59:19 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.


Actually voting is a constitutionally protected right.

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


OH ya, so please explain to me why I should go vote. Seeing as how I'm in New York and my vote counts for a fraction of what a vote cast in Ohio counts for. Please go on and defend this asinine electoral system where peoples votes make no difference.
 
2012-10-26 12:59:20 PM

thewulf: Abolish political parties. Then we'll see what happens.


Then someone will win the presidency with something like 2% of votes.

/there are problems with all forms
//not a big fan of spending hundreds of millions to talk about how you'll cut wasteful spending.
 
2012-10-26 12:59:33 PM
The only way you can truly waste your vote...is to vote.
 
2012-10-26 12:59:47 PM

david_gaithersburg: rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.



Uhm, you have that backwards.


Would you say a Senator has a right or a responsibility to vote in the Senate?
 
2012-10-26 01:00:08 PM
From the arcile
"Lena Dunham is comparing voting to sex"

So that's why I'm not voting.
 
2012-10-26 01:00:21 PM

OgreMagi: A blank ballot suggests you aren't intelligent enough to understand how to vote.


A mismarked ballot, perhaps, but a blank one? That's fairly obviously deliberate. It's not as though it can be traced back to you anyway, and it's useful for the people who collect statistics on this sort of thing. It's for that last reason that I encourage people who choose not to vote to at least cast blank ballots.
 
2012-10-26 01:00:40 PM

maxx2112: [cache0.bigcartel.com image 477x473]


www.humanevents.com

They're trying.
 
2012-10-26 01:01:00 PM

Millennium: I can think of a few good reasons not to vote, but every one of them involves active decisions: you deliberately choose not to vote for reasons you can articulate. TFA seems to take a more passive approach: not voting only because there are other priorities, or because of some perceived lack of reason to do so. That's ridiculous.

God Is My Co-Pirate: If you don't vote, you simply have no right to complain about the government.

The First Amendment says otherwise, but in any event, I'm forced to wonder: would you paint active nonvoters ("I don't vote, and this is why") and passive nonvoters ("Meh; whatever") with the same brush?


Yes, because as mentioned above, if you genuinely don't like your choices, you can always spoil your ballot.

I can understand feeling that your vote doesn't matter if you live in a state that with a 99% probability of going a certain way - although I have to say your popular vote vs. electoral college system weirds me out. The thing is, your vote does matter. It gives legitimacy to the whole process. Otherwise you're saying "Eh, someone is going to govern me but I'll let other people decide who that is" and at that point, you might as well have a monarchy.
 
2012-10-26 01:01:26 PM
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2012-10-26 12:44:58 PM


Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.




Well, I guess that's the important thing.
 
2012-10-26 01:01:49 PM

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


You have the right to free speech, a right that people have also sacrificed for. You aren't obligated to run around yelling at people just because you can.
 
2012-10-26 01:02:24 PM

Mawson of the Antarctic: /people who don't vote worry me, your vote can only do something. If you don't vote you're doing nothing to either solve, change, or voicing your opinion about current affairs.


You're implying that voting is the only way to "solve, change or voice your opinion about current affairs".

This implication is A) patently false and B) its seeming truthfulness is part of the reason I refuse to Vote.
 
2012-10-26 01:02:30 PM
I can understand not voting from an anti-capitalist standpoint. Your vote is going toward a candidate that wants to maintain the same old capitalist system. On the other hand, writing someone in or voting third party has its merits.

The socialist organization that I am a member of has decided to endorse voting for Jill Stein, but not her platform.

Voting for democrats and republicans is feeding the corrupt system.

/Remember, the lesser of two evils is still evil.
 
2012-10-26 01:03:00 PM
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redsarmy.typepad.com

Now, that's something I can support!
 
2012-10-26 01:03:15 PM

groppet: I would love to have the day off for the election. But I can eitehr go to the polls when they open at 7 am before work and I know they will be mobbed or Ill leave work a little early and go on my way home from work. I wish I worked closer to the polling place. But I should get there before 8pm so Ill be ok. I was actually suprised at the midterm election I got there right before the wave of last minute voters got there.


I would really like to see the Polls be open for 24 consecutive hours Open at 7 P.M. on Monday close at 7 P.M. on Tuesday, it would give more people a chance to vote. My state has early voting so I voted last Friday when I had a day off.
 
2012-10-26 01:03:17 PM

lennavan: shkkmo: I don't vote because I refuse to take part in a morally bankrupt sham.

So I get you think things are bad and hey, I agree with your assessment of the system. But you do realize what a system where you don't get to vote looks like though, right?


Thanks to an untimely move to a new house in a different county and a requirement to update my driver's license, this year I won't be allowed to vote. Or are you talking about some other country?
 
2012-10-26 01:03:21 PM

FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.


Oh, shut up.

I was extremely politically active for years. Before I could vote legally, I volunteered for political causes. From 18 onward, I voted in every election-- even the little local ones that everyone else ignored-- Because I had the idea that I was making some sort of difference.

And maybe in those little local elections I was making a difference. But in a Presidential election? A national election? I've learned better in the 23 years since I first filled in a ballot.

No matter who you vote for, the SAME PEOPLE will be running the world. The President is a celebrity face chosen by the true powers-that-be, and we cannot vote for or against those powers-that-be. They run the world as they see fit, and placate the rest of us with hollow elections that have ZERO effect on the big picture.

You say it's laziness, arrogance, and entitlement for me not to vote. I say it's pure, 100% childish naivety that motivates you to vote.

Here's what going to happen when the next Presidency begins: NOTHING DIFFERENT. Oh, sure, they'll say they're making changes, providing new possibilities, and pumping hope and sunshine up our asses, but then the bureaucratic process will kick in-- as it's designed to do-- and we'll get the same as we've always gotten from the powerful men in charge of this world: Just enough to keep us arguing with each other, participating in their economic design, and consuming like the complacent slugs our species became about two thousand years ago.

You say I'm an arrogant, lazy, entitled person for making the decision to opt out of the farce that is our election process. I say you're a naive fool who might as well be voting for unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows, for all the good it will do you to vote. Further, I suggest that by participating and swallowing the lie they feed to you, you're in denial about your true effect on the state of the world.

I voted. I cheered for voting. I marched around proud that I "participated" in the process, and what did it get me? A lot of wasted energy. No advancements or improvements to the way of life for anyone. Wars, on schedule. Presidents who, once in office, don't seem to be anything more than middle-ground placeholders who are-- upon sharp evaluation-- no different than the last twenty or thirty men to hold the office. Senators and Representatives who live like kings and spend little time actually doing anything to fix the world because the point of their existence is to argue and stalemate and put on a show for the proles.

You want arrogance, laziness and entitlement? Look in the mirror, sir. You think by driving to a church or school gymnasium, filling out a sheet of paper, and then watching the results (if they're even really counted) as if it's a sports competition and you're cheering for your favorite team makes you better than people who have decided, once and for all, that they won't be suckered by this dog & pony show? That's arrogance, right there. You're proud of doing more to accomplish nothing. Congratulations. Enjoy your well-earned "I Voted" sticker. I hope it makes you feel warm and fuzzy, because that about as much "change" as you'll get from it.

The President, Congress, the Senate-- they're all ultimately powerless to make significant changes. They bow to their masters, just as you do. The only difference is that they get paid handsomely to be the face of the lie, while you get jack-shiat besides that warm, fuzzy feeling from "participating" in the process of maintaining the lie.

You might as well be biatching about people not voting for the winner of American Idol, for as much effect as politicians truly have on the world.

I'll vote again when we can vote the plutocrats and corporate overlords out of power. They're the guys in charge, and they have been since long before either you or I were born. Of course, since they maintain this whole show for the likes of you, and you're not likely to ever admit that you're being manipulated into a false sense of security instead of truly making a difference, the likelihood of the true lords of this planet being removed from power is hovering at about one in a trillion.

Do enjoy the "big finale" to the variety show this November. I hope it gives you a deep feeling of satisfaction. For me, it's yet another pile of horseshiat that was meant to distract me from the way things really are, and for the first time since 1989, I'm not participating. I'm done being suckered.
 
2012-10-26 01:03:55 PM

umad: turd sand


That's racist.
 
2012-10-26 01:04:30 PM

rumpelstiltskin: david_gaithersburg: rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.



Uhm, you have that backwards.

Would you say a Senator has a right or a responsibility to vote in the Senate?


That's his job, it's why he gets the big bribes bucks. A senator who routinely fails to vote does not deserve to remain in office.

/who does that remind you of?
 
2012-10-26 01:04:51 PM

rumpelstiltskin: Voting is a responsiblilty in a democracy, not a right.


But being informed is part of that responsibility, and too few do that.
 
2012-10-26 01:05:21 PM
Voted Libertarian in "08. Pointless waste of time.
 
2012-10-26 01:05:27 PM
 
2012-10-26 01:06:24 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Yes, because as mentioned above, if you genuinely don't like your choices, you can always spoil your ballot.

I can understand feeling that your vote doesn't matter if you live in a state that with a 99% probability of going a certain way - although I have to say your popular vote vs. electoral college system weirds me out. The thing is, your vote does matter. It gives legitimacy to the whole process. Otherwise you're saying "Eh, someone is going to govern me but I'll let other people decide who that is" and at that point, you might as well have a monarchy.



The other reason to vote, local elections, you my not like the presidential choices, but your vote could make the difference if your town has enough money to build a new school or repave that pothole strewn road you drive down every day and complain about.
 
2012-10-26 01:06:45 PM

kumanoki: I early v0ted yesterday, BcAuse I could...MAinly because I wanted to experience the release of tension.


There are better ways of releasing tension than voting...
 
2012-10-26 01:06:46 PM

Happy Hours: FlashHarry: shiat like this just makes my blood farking boil. what farking arrogance. what farking laziness. what farking entitlement. when millions live under oppressive dictatorship around the world, to not exercise your sacred right of suffrage is just farking disgusting.

Who farking cares if someone else doesn't vote? If they can't be bothered they shouldn't vote.

And if anyone thinks they are sending a message by not voting the message is they can't be bothered. If anyone wants to send a message that the choices suck they should turn in a blank ballot.

/will be voting.


Look, voting is important even if you don't like your choices for Prez. Write someone in, leave it blank, but there are usually just as important local issues on the ballot. Absentee voting by mail is allowed in 28 states (without excuse), early voting in person in 31 states (without excuse). Vote or at least be honest about why yyou arewnt.
 
2012-10-26 01:06:53 PM

doubled99: offmymeds Smartest
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2012-10-26 12:44:58 PM


Early voted yesterday. At least I'll have a right to complain if and/or when things go horribly wrong.



Well, I guess that's the important thing.


No, the important thing is that I exercised my right to vote.
 
2012-10-26 01:07:32 PM
TFA: If you don't vote," says Alicia Keys, "the whole world could just burn."

i.imgur.com

Case closed. Now I'm off to eat a Kit-Kat.
 
2012-10-26 01:07:46 PM

beer4breakfast: George Carlin doesn't vote

/oblig


no shiat, he's dead

...oh
 
2012-10-26 01:08:12 PM
If I were registered to vote, I'd send these clowns a message by staying home on election day and dressing up like a clown.
 
2012-10-26 01:08:13 PM

Oliver Twisted: thewulf: Here's a thought:

Abolish political parties. Then we'll see what happens.

That's a good idea. We should all vote on it.

 
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