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(BGR)   Samsung snags smartphone crown, ships more smartphones in Q3 than any company. In history   (bgr.com) divider line 127
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2012-10-26 05:48:34 PM  

JohnBigBootay: digistil: Oh come on, you're as much of a Samsung troll on Fark as AVG (Samsung pays him btw; I assume they pay you too).

/You're rational on anything non-Samsung, I will admit.


Are you talking to me or the other guy? As far as I can recall that's the first time I ever mentioned samsung. It may as well say 'acme' on the damn thing for all I care. And that goes double for every electronic device I own. Samsung - like apple - has been releasing some very nice hardware lately but I have zero loyalty to any of them. It's all just crap I use to work or play with. Products. I give them money, in exchange they give me toys and tools - as soon as the transaction is completed I consider us even.


I was talking to you. You're (honestly) great on Fark, but when it comes to bashing Apple for the presumed benefit of Kindle or Samsung, it's like you become a different person. Perhaps your posts get tangled with the people that Samsung pays (very well) to post here (the only company besides MS that does that, FWIW).
 
2012-10-26 05:50:54 PM  

digistil: Fish in a Barrel: digistil: jjorsett: What I like about Android is that it's easy to develop for. Free tools, an open platform, and a large ecosystem of libraries, sample code, and experienced developers to draw on. Add to that the development of ever-more-powerful hardware like the Samsung Galaxy S3 and you've got a winner.

NotSureIfSerious.gif

What part of that do you have a problem with?

The parts where it's easier, more open, larger eco system to develop with (all of which I've found to be the opposite).


A) jjorsett didn't make a comparison to iOS; he only explained why he enjoys using Android.
B) How is Android NOT more open than iOS? You can build the whole thing from source.
 
2012-10-26 05:52:55 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Rapmaster2000: Most smartphones in history? Even more than Philco did in '67?

I want to see a comparison to the height of the Sumerian culture...

They sure loved their tablets.


Hey! Akkad made better phones than Sumer. They had the first touch clay screen.
 
2012-10-26 06:10:09 PM  

digistil: I was talking to you. You're (honestly) great on Fark, but when it comes to bashing Apple for the presumed benefit of Kindle or Samsung, it's like you become a different person. Perhaps your posts get tangled with the people that Samsung pays (very well) to post here (the only company besides MS that does that, FWIW).


Well, thank you I think.

I get a little snarky about apple on occasion - as I would any frontrunner of the moment - but I mostly give a shiat. I buy whatever I like. Apple makes some great shiat. I just think a lot of other people do too. Right now I use a samsung phone, an ipod nano, and a kindle reader. I think they are each the best at what they do for my usage preferences - hell, that's why I picked them! I support iphones and macbooks at work on an almost daily basis. They are fine. I can afford to buy them if I chose but usually choose something else. let's face it, hardware is becoming secondary. Once you have committed to an ecosystem and live with it a couple three years you are less and less likely to jump to the other side.
 
2012-10-26 06:24:18 PM  

digistil: JohnBigBootay: digistil: Oh come on, you're as much of a Samsung troll on Fark as AVG (Samsung pays him btw; I assume they pay you too).

/You're rational on anything non-Samsung, I will admit.


Are you talking to me or the other guy? As far as I can recall that's the first time I ever mentioned samsung. It may as well say 'acme' on the damn thing for all I care. And that goes double for every electronic device I own. Samsung - like apple - has been releasing some very nice hardware lately but I have zero loyalty to any of them. It's all just crap I use to work or play with. Products. I give them money, in exchange they give me toys and tools - as soon as the transaction is completed I consider us even.

I was talking to you. You're (honestly) great on Fark, but when it comes to bashing Apple for the presumed benefit of Kindle or Samsung, it's like you become a different person. Perhaps your posts get tangled with the people that Samsung pays (very well) to post here (the only company besides MS that does that, FWIW).


shiat....sign me up for that gig....I'll say your product is awesome if you pay me

/have a galaxy s blaze and it suits my needs
 
2012-10-26 06:48:07 PM  

Mentat: I played with the Note II yesterday and that thing is fast.


Got one yesterday. Love it so far.
 
2012-10-26 06:49:09 PM  
The S3's a good phone, but it can be annoying to use.
farm9.staticflickr.com

/And the stock keyboard is shiat, too.
 
2012-10-26 06:54:57 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Please. Samsung has sold a goddam gazillion phones. I even have one and I love the damn thing. That said I find cheering for corporations an extremely odd activity.


Just goes to show you that most farkers don't have a fark'n clue about corporations. Samsung is a huge multi-national company with deep ties in oil, shipbuilding, chemicals and a dozen other businesses (some of them rather sketchy). The company has been charged and fined with price fixing and has had rather sketchy labor history including employing children.

But since its not Apple - that makes Samsung just hunky dory.
 
2012-10-26 07:02:13 PM  

dg41: Mentat: I played with the Note II yesterday and that thing is fast.

Got one yesterday. Love it so far.


Who's your carrier?
 
2012-10-26 07:06:12 PM  

gingerjet:
But since its not Apple - that makes Samsung just hunky dory.


So,,, Both sides are bad?
 
2012-10-26 07:06:35 PM  
Wow, the shelves should be full of Samsung phones.

They didn't claim to set a units sold record, or a profit record. If those things don't matter to you, then the story shouldn't matter to you.
 
2012-10-26 07:18:21 PM  
So if I get a Samsung ATIV WP8, will I be in the club and claim victory over Apple
 
2012-10-26 07:19:36 PM  

Mentat: dg41: Mentat: I played with the Note II yesterday and that thing is fast.

Got one yesterday. Love it so far.

Who's your carrier?


Sprint
 
2012-10-26 07:23:39 PM  

finnished: gingerjet:
But since its not Apple - that makes Samsung just hunky dory.

So,,, Both sides are bad?


Just pointing on the hypocrisy.
 
2012-10-26 07:34:17 PM  

keepitcherry: Walker: Suck it Apple. Did you hear me? Suck it.

The fact that people get so emotionally invested in their cell phone brand of choice is hilarious to me.


I wouldn't say I'm invested in my cell phone brand of choice (I dig HTC, but I'm not married to them or anything), but I just absolutely, thoroughly detest Apple. I hate that their design philosophy is all about limiting their users, not empowering them, and is about making an attractive product more than a functional one. I hate the patronizing attitude that they take through their App Store process (and the fact that the App Store is the only way to get apps onto your device short of hacking it), dictating what is and is not acceptable for their users to do. I hate that they choose to abuse the broken patent system to attempt to drive competitors out of business. I hate that they have legions of fans who will bay for your blood if you suggest that, perhaps, the latest iProduct is not the best device in its class. But most of all, I hate that their approach has proven so successful that it has influenced other major industry players to do the exact same thing (*coughMicrosoftcough*).
 
2012-10-26 07:37:54 PM  

HeartBurnKid: keepitcherry: Walker: Suck it Apple. Did you hear me? Suck it.

The fact that people get so emotionally invested in their cell phone brand of choice is hilarious to me.

I wouldn't say I'm invested in my cell phone brand of choice (I dig HTC, but I'm not married to them or anything), but I just absolutely, thoroughly detest Apple. I hate that their design philosophy is all about limiting their users, not empowering them, and is about making an attractive product more than a functional one. I hate the patronizing attitude that they take through their App Store process (and the fact that the App Store is the only way to get apps onto your device short of hacking it), dictating what is and is not acceptable for their users to do. I hate that they choose to abuse the broken patent system to attempt to drive competitors out of business. I hate that they have legions of fans who will bay for your blood if you suggest that, perhaps, the latest iProduct is not the best device in its class. But most of all, I hate that their approach has proven so successful that it has influenced other major industry players to do the exact same thing (*coughMicrosoftcough*).


As I understand it, Microsoft Windows 8 will only work on a specific brand of chips. That is completely fabbergastable. But I guess it does sort of approximate Apple's approach.
 
2012-10-26 07:38:15 PM  
Uh, congrats?

How about next time you don't use a farking craptastic PenTile AMOLED display?
 
2012-10-26 07:48:33 PM  

Walker: Suck it Apple. Did you hear me? Suck it.

 
2012-10-26 07:52:15 PM  
Your witty and fact based arguments have won me over. I will certainly purchase one of those one day;
 
2012-10-26 08:03:54 PM  

digistil: Not quite. It's almost an entirely one way hate, directed towards Apple. A better example would be Netscape vs MS in the 90s. The people championing MS then are the same people championing Samsung now.


I think you have it backwards. Apple is now the behemoth that is just resting on its laurels, forcing all its customers to buy their charger (and then buy another one in a couple years), just as an example. Samsung is the up and comer in this market and changed the game, much like Netscape was in the old days.
 
2012-10-26 08:05:57 PM  

Nexzus: The S3's a good phone, but it can be annoying to use.
...
/And the stock keyboard is shiat, too.


I have never seen that screen but I use Gmail and K9. And Swiftkey. That's what I am really digging about the phone (and probably any Android device) - just get another piece of software if you don't like something.
 
2012-10-26 08:10:09 PM  
Yes but, did it ship more bayonets?
 
2012-10-26 08:40:16 PM  

Walker: Suck it Apple. Did you hear me? Suck it.


The thunderous sound of fanboids fapping....
 
2012-10-26 09:02:14 PM  

Pertifly: digistil: Not quite. It's almost an entirely one way hate, directed towards Apple. A better example would be Netscape vs MS in the 90s. The people championing MS then are the same people championing Samsung now.

I think you have it backwards. Apple is now the behemoth that is just resting on its laurels, forcing all its customers to buy their charger (and then buy another one in a couple years), just as an example. Samsung is the up and comer in this market and changed the game, much like Netscape was in the old days.


So Samsung is going to march steadfastly forward in making its UI progressively uglier and harder to use, and eventually cave under the monetary might of Apple?

In truth, the two situations really can't be compared. Apple's definitely a lazy loser who steals the work of others, traps consumers into a proprietary trap and trickles out "improvements" that are commonly found in other products months (if not years) prior. However, they do not control the entire ecosystem as MS did back in ye olde dayes. Samsung is a corporate megalith. They are about as scrappy of an underdog as Mohammad Ali. Apple couldn't bury Samsung if their company depended on it.
 
2012-10-26 09:06:41 PM  
I guess i was leading the parade. I got a Galaxy S3 when 14 people out of 14 people surveyed during the summer told me "No get a Galaxy instead" when asked if i should wait for the i5 iphone when it were to come out.
 
2012-10-26 10:49:32 PM  

digistil: jjorsett: What I like about Android is that it's easy to develop for. Free tools, an open platform, and a large ecosystem of libraries, sample code, and experienced developers to draw on. Add to that the development of ever-more-powerful hardware like the Samsung Galaxy S3 and you've got a winner.

NotSureIfSerious.gif


If we were to do a side by side comparison of android vs ios I don't think it would be all that lopsided for apple.
Primary development language: While neither language is exactly great, Objective C is a turd compared to java.
IDE: Xcode has its advantages, but when using it I find myself missing a lot of intellij's features. But I'm biased toward intellij(because it rocks)
Documentation: My apple experience is limited, but the little I have seen makes me give them the win on this
Libraries: Not sure, I'm guessing it's evenish.
Openness: NotSureIfSerious.gif
Freeness(as in free beer): NotSureIfSerious.gif
Hardware: Apple all the way. Fragmentation and all
Experienced developers: Every java monkey out there can become an android monkey. Just need incentive.
Fat walleted customers: Apple +2000. Unfortunately this is the only one that really matters. It's why people need to learn a horrible language like Objective C.
 
2012-10-26 10:54:05 PM  

dg41: Mentat: dg41: Mentat: I played with the Note II yesterday and that thing is fast.

Got one yesterday. Love it so far.

Who's your carrier?

Sprint


That's who I'm with. I'm seriously considering getting one after the first of the month. Any issues with the cost or data plan?
 
2012-10-26 10:59:28 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: As I understand it, Microsoft Windows 8 will only work on a specific brand of chips. That is completely fabbergastable. But I guess it does sort of approximate Apple's approach.


Not quite. There is one edition of Windows 8, called Windows 8 RT, that only runs on ARM hardware and is just as locked down as iOS (can only be purchased with a new computer, can only install apps from the Microsoft Store, etc.). All other editions of Windows 8 run on traditional Intel and Intel-compatible hardware and can run any third-party apps, just like Windows 7 and earlier (although you're still stuck with that horrible "Metro" interface, or whatever they're calling it now).
 
2012-10-26 11:06:28 PM  

Mentat: dg41: Mentat: dg41: Mentat: I played with the Note II yesterday and that thing is fast.

Got one yesterday. Love it so far.

Who's your carrier?

Sprint

That's who I'm with. I'm seriously considering getting one after the first of the month. Any issues with the cost or data plan?


Its cheaper than Verizon. If you don't currently have a 4G phone there will be a $10 a month surcharge added. Other than that it's unlimited data. And so far battery life has been fantastic.
 
2012-10-26 11:41:38 PM  
I think Apple can kind of put the blame on themselves for this one. They gave Samsung a lot of publicity because of the lawsuits.

"Wait.. you mean to tell me there is a phone out there that not only has a lot of features that iPhones have, but it has more and it'll cost me less? Thanks for the heads up, Apple."

Now that Apple is getting to the point where it is a "me, too" company with the 7" tablets (something Jobs was vehemently against), I think they are going to lose their gains in marketshare that Jobs helped create. Hell... they've already lost a lot since Android started becoming a household name.
 
2012-10-26 11:53:40 PM  

keepitcherry: The fact that people get so emotionally invested in their cell phone brand of choice is hilarious to me.


Well count me among the few who thinks a phone is like a processor. I don't care who makes it so long as it works well. I have a Droid 4 - couldn't even tell you who actually makes it
 
2012-10-26 11:55:24 PM  

digistil: jjorsett: What I like about Android is that it's easy to develop for. Free tools, an open platform, and a large ecosystem of libraries, sample code, and experienced developers to draw on. Add to that the development of ever-more-powerful hardware like the Samsung Galaxy S3 and you've got a winner.

NotSureIfSerious.gif


I'm completely serious. Just built an Android app for the military. In doing so, I looked back over the history of Android and the devices it runs on, and it's like watching a rolling snowball, getting bigger and faster with amazing speed. The software platform is evolving at a breakneck pace, and the hardware is doing the same. There are certain drawbacks such as a multitude of screen sizes, OS versions, and feature sets, which makes it tricky to get an app running on all possible devices, but it's a price I'm more than willing to pay for the speed with which Android's capabilities are growing.
 
2012-10-27 12:34:54 AM  

miscreant: I wonder how much influence Apple's lawsuits had on this.


Very little, I would guess. Most people don't care, they just want a phone.
 
2012-10-27 01:28:11 AM  

Dear Jerk: Wow, the shelves should be full of Samsung phones.

They didn't claim to set a units sold record, or a profit record. If those things don't matter to you, then the story shouldn't matter to you.


This.

I have no alliance to any side. All I have to say is that back in the 90's I worked for US Robotics. Just before the sellout to 3COM they made the announcement that they had shipped Xmillion units of modems, I guess to make them more appealing to 3COM. Come to find out that yeah they shipped a record amount of units, but they shipped them from the plants in Skokie and Morton Grove to the plant in Mount Prospect. 3COM didn't realize that they had been hornswoggled until after the deal went down and they found millions of units of modems packed in the Mount Prospect plant.

So always be careful when somebody uses shipped instead of sold.
 
2012-10-27 02:25:29 AM  

ongbok: So always be careful when somebody uses shipped instead of sold.


This. How many just went to a retailer and are sitting in a back store room? Nokia did this crap all the time.
 
2012-10-27 04:00:12 AM  

Nexzus: The S3's a good phone, but it can be annoying to use.
[farm9.staticflickr.com image 360x640]

/And the stock keyboard is shiat, too.


wow, um.... you realize they have apps for that?
 
2012-10-27 04:02:27 AM  
So Steve jobs died for nothing?
 
2012-10-27 06:35:55 AM  

intelligent comment below: jjorsett: I'm completely serious. Just built an Android app for the military.

Teabagger takes government handouts to pay the bills. I love hypocrisy


No, see, the military isn't the GOVERNMENT! See? Why don't you understand?
 
2012-10-27 06:39:43 AM  
competition is always a good thing, that said samsung having a monopoly on android phones in the next 5 years is hunky dory? all the other android phone manufacturers are slipping, not even Nokia is safe, and part of this is samsung having vertical integration on their manufacturing - they can control the entire android market without even having to own it all
 
2012-10-27 08:22:26 AM  

AdamK: competition is always a good thing, that said samsung having a monopoly on android phones in the next 5 years is hunky dory?


the biggest seller of Android phones in China is Lenovo. They're considering selling their phones in the rest of the world. I think they'll put up some serious competition.
 
2012-10-27 08:29:21 AM  

farkeruk: AdamK: competition is always a good thing, that said samsung having a monopoly on android phones in the next 5 years is hunky dory?

the biggest seller of Android phones in China is Lenovo. They're considering selling their phones in the rest of the world. I think they'll put up some serious competition.


sounds good, Lenovo makes some great products
 
2012-10-27 09:18:24 AM  

RoxtarRyan: I think Apple can kind of put the blame on themselves for this one.


Apple sells expensive products, the cheap knocks offs will always sell better. Not much of a surprise.
 
2012-10-27 09:46:15 AM  

Yakk: RoxtarRyan: I think Apple can kind of put the blame on themselves for this one.

Apple sells expensive products, the cheap knocks offs will always sell better. Not much of a surprise.


Especially when the "cheap knock off" has better spec, more features and less restricted operation....
 
2012-10-27 10:33:35 AM  

trippdogg: Why would I upgrade - my current one still works great:

[www.instablogsimages.com image 550x412]


Pffffft...

static.ddmcdn.com

/it's apple wood, too
 
2012-10-27 10:41:04 AM  
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2012-10-27 11:02:09 AM  
I love my iPhone 4, so there's that. Good for Samsung though. It's all good.
 
2012-10-27 11:12:28 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Especially when the "cheap knock off" has better spec, more features and less restricted operation....


Biggest difference is the giant screen. Got a friend who was looking forward to getting a bigger screen on his iPhone, and while it's a great phone, the increase in size of his screen was just a tiny bit.
Once you put a Otter Box on the thing, it ends up being a bit bigger than seen in the "your thumb goes from here... to there..." commercials.

The iPhone has a great and bright screen, and a great camera. So, it's not a loss. And they're painlessly easy to work.

I've learned that if you break the screen on the S3 like I did, it's twice as expensive to replace the thing as a simple cracked glass screen on the iPhone.

But at the moment, I'm lusting over the Note II, because I have big hands and
(I'll say this slowly for the ladies)
MY thumb goes from here... to there...
 
2012-10-27 12:04:20 PM  

jjorsett: There are certain drawbacks such as a multitude of screen sizes, OS versions, and feature sets, which makes it tricky to get an app running on all possible devices...


As a PC developer, it somewhat boggles my mind that people think these issues are even worth mentioning. Those are just a given for most computing environments.
 
2012-10-27 01:14:35 PM  

intelligent comment below: jjorsett: I'm completely serious. Just built an Android app for the military.

Teabagger takes government handouts to pay the bills. I love hypocrisy


i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-27 01:26:02 PM  

SVenus: Biggest difference is the giant screen. Got a friend who was looking forward to getting a bigger screen on his iPhone, and while it's a great phone, the increase in size of his screen was just a tiny bit.
Once you put a Otter Box on the thing, it ends up being a bit bigger than seen in the "your thumb goes from here... to there..." commercials.

The iPhone has a great and bright screen, and a great camera. So, it's not a loss. And they're painlessly easy to work.


I have to say, pixel for pixel, the retina display is the best--nothing else comes close IMO, and the main reason for this is simply that there's less glass in front. This makes it more closely resemble print than anything else, and there doesn't seem to be much compromise in durability because it seems to perform okay in scratch/drop tests. All other phones look like the actual display is "behind" something, while with the iPhone it's right there.

That said, the screen is still too small for my tastes. Somehow it barely feels any larger than the 4S. A 4.5"+ retina display would probably be pretty amazing.
 
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