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(PCWorld)   At what should be not a shock to anyone, Microsoft royally farks up their Windows ME SP1 debut keynote   (pcworld.com) divider line 102
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2012-10-26 09:11:26 AM
We came for drama, but received something more akin to an infomercial.

What the fark did he expect? Monkeys flying out of Ballmer's ass?
 
2012-10-26 09:14:31 AM
Normally I don't like to play a fiddle while Rome burns, but this is just to juicy to not have some fun
 
2012-10-26 09:19:09 AM
It wasn't a party, it was a press event. The same sort of press event Microsoft always does.

Big farking deal.
 
2012-10-26 09:30:15 AM
One of the most critical questions that's been hanging over Windows 8 concerns Windows Store apps-and the lack thereof.

And the teeny tiny little detail that on Windows RT - the tablet version of Windows 8 - you can't install your own Windows programs. You have to go through an App Store. Which . . . . doesn't have any apps. Microsoft took an awesome piece of hardware and then farked it up by going with Apple's "all roads go through iTunes" approach.
 
2012-10-26 09:32:55 AM

NutWrench: Microsoft took an awesome piece of hardware and then farked it up by going with Apple's "all roads go through iTunes" approach.


They took that piece of hardware and held off sale of the Surface Pro (with full-on Windows 8) until January, to give their partners a shot at it first.
 
2012-10-26 09:34:27 AM
FTFA: Microsoft would be publicly unveiling its most important operating system since Windows 95.

I stopped reading there

WinXP was and still is the most important MS OS since Win95. After the failure that was ME and the staleness that Win98 was by that point XP showed MS was not going to fail but instead strike back and make things work. Even today if you go and use an XP machine, assuming it's not loaded down with junk software, it feels zippy and some what modern. XP is 11 years old! Yes SP3 is miles away from the initial release and helps with this.

Here is OS X 10.0 from 2001:
upload.wikimedia.org

Here is XP from 2001
www.aresluna.org
 
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2012-10-26 09:57:19 AM

NutWrench: One of the most critical questions that's been hanging over Windows 8 concerns Windows Store apps-and the lack thereof.

And the teeny tiny little detail that on Windows RT - the tablet version of Windows 8 - you can't install your own Windows programs. You have to go through an App Store. Which . . . . doesn't have any apps. Microsoft took an awesome piece of hardware and then farked it up by going with Apple's "all roads go through iTunes" approach.


Who cares? The Atom based tablets that run the full version of Windows are what matter.
 
2012-10-26 10:00:34 AM

ThatGuyGreg: It wasn't a party, it was a press event. The same sort of press event Microsoft always does.

Big farking deal.


Be that as it may, it does say something about how the company is enthused about a product. Apple press events are like new year celebrations. Apple press events leaves you with the impression that Apple is extremely confidant in their products.

It's psychology
 
2012-10-26 10:17:36 AM
Maybe they shouldn't have hired the dean from Community to do the presentation:

images.techhive.com
 
2012-10-26 10:27:46 AM
so all of their criticisms of the event seem to be the same things they laud about apple events. am i missing something?
 
2012-10-26 10:37:51 AM
"Windows 8 should leave no doubt that we've shattered your perception of what a PC is, and how alive they all are with activity."  
wearemoviegeeks.com
 
2012-10-26 11:16:27 AM

cmunic8r99: We came for drama, but received something more akin to an infomercial.

What the fark did he expect? Monkeys flying out of Ballmer's ass?


DEVELOPERS!
 
2012-10-26 11:42:06 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: cmunic8r99: We came for drama, but received something more akin to an infomercial.

What the fark did he expect? Monkeys flying out of Ballmer's ass?

DEVELOPERS!


Seeing developers flying out of his ass would have been awesome, but I suspect TFA's author would still have been disappointed.
 
2012-10-26 11:46:48 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: cmunic8r99: We came for drama, but received something more akin to an infomercial.

What the fark did he expect? Monkeys flying out of Ballmer's ass?

DEVELOPERS!


I'm not going anywhere near ballmers ass.

NutWrench: One of the most critical questions that's been hanging over Windows 8 concerns Windows Store apps-and the lack thereof.

And the teeny tiny little detail that on Windows RT - the tablet version of Windows 8 - you can't install your own Windows programs. You have to go through an App Store. Which . . . . doesn't have any apps. Microsoft took an awesome piece of hardware and then farked it up by going with Apple's "all roads go through iTunes" approach.


I agree that it sucks... but the audience for that device doesn't give a shiat, and the walled garden keeps crapware out (or to a minimum)


/Required Caveat: MS employee
//Server div
 
2012-10-26 11:49:48 AM
I'm probably going to buy one of them. Probably a Windows 8 convertible laptop rather than the surface though - I've got plenty of tablets already.
 
2012-10-26 12:30:11 PM
I'm still going to stop in at a Best Buy today to play with one.

I expect to come up to my normal reaction to new devices like this. "It's just another fondleslab"
 
2012-10-26 12:34:10 PM
I'm buying an ASUS Taichi and load Bluestacks on it. I'll get the laptop I want with a nice bonus Android tablet capability in one device. I've used Windows 8 and it's not too difficult to use it like a Windows 7 with add-ons, so I don't mind the OS so much on the laptop side.
 
2012-10-26 12:54:09 PM

Kazan: I agree that it sucks... but the audience for that device doesn't give a shiat, and the walled garden keeps crapware out (or to a minimum)


/Required Caveat: MS employee
//Server div


There will be plenty of crap, just approved crap because they jumped through whatever hoops to get it.
 
2012-10-26 01:00:43 PM
I was hoping for a 72" touchscreen sensitive enough to draw on it with a stylus built into a table.

I take it this isn't that?
 
2012-10-26 01:01:35 PM
I got a cheapo Asus Iconia (not ARM) off Amazon a couple of weeks ago and put a new msata hard drive and W8 pro on it. I couldn't do anything with the RAM because it was soldered in, but even with only 2 GB it works pretty nice. The Metro version of IE sucks--it takes too long to load larger pages and I hate the way that the bookmarks work, but that's a minor thing and Firefox works okay with it even if you do have to go back to the desktop when it runs.

All in all, it's a nice little machine and works great for traveling. There is a chiclet style keyboard that you can plug the tablet into and you end up with a little netbooky kind of thing, but to be honest the on-screen keyboard works better.
 
2012-10-26 01:03:19 PM
Sorry, ACER Iconia...
 
2012-10-26 01:10:22 PM

wildcardjack: I'm still going to stop in at a Best Buy today to play with one.


I'll do the same.

I understand what the writer was trying to say.
Microsoft is unleashing a major OS change, and most people still don't know why it's supposed to be great other then 'it's touchpad centric'.
Going by the only Surface advertisement I've seen; the new tablet has a magnetic cover, and you it causes you to break out into spontaneous dancing when used with other people.

As for Windows 8: I've been using a beta release, and It's a pain in the ass. It's about as counter intuitive as an OS could possibly be on a desktop computer.
 
2012-10-26 01:10:52 PM
There is a typo i the headline... surprised that wasn't caught...
 
2012-10-26 01:17:40 PM

NutWrench: the teeny tiny little detail that on Windows RT - the tablet version of Windows 8 - you can't install your own Windows programs.


That can't be right.

It's Windows RT - The Strongest OS In The World!
media.steampowered.com
 
2012-10-26 01:19:00 PM

zedster: FTFA:
Here is OS X 10.0 from 2001:


Here is XP from 2001



Not sure what your point is zedster OS X hasn't really changed that much, whereas windows has been rewritten about 3 times....

Which either means your saying 'oh look at Apple it's sooo old' (it's not, it was just designed EXCEPTIONALLY well from the outset) or your saying, 'XP looked so much better and fresher than OS X why did they fark with that?'

Can you please clarify?
 
2012-10-26 01:19:18 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: As for Windows 8: I've been using a beta release, and It's a pain in the ass. It's about as counter intuitive as an OS could possibly be on a desktop computer.


B-b-but if you spend more money on a non-Microsoft-sanctioned utility program, you can turn Win8 back into Win7 again!
 
2012-10-26 01:22:09 PM

poot_rootbeer: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: As for Windows 8: I've been using a beta release, and It's a pain in the ass. It's about as counter intuitive as an OS could possibly be on a desktop computer.

B-b-but if you spend more money on a non-Microsoft-sanctioned utility program, you can turn Win8 back into Win7 again!


Until MS issue an update to stop it working...yes... But no your right... ALL the Best OS's require you to buy and add third party software right out the box to get normal functionality back.
 
2012-10-26 01:35:28 PM

palan: Kazan: I agree that it sucks... but the audience for that device doesn't give a shiat, and the walled garden keeps crapware out (or to a minimum)


/Required Caveat: MS employee
//Server div

There will be plenty of crap, just approved crap because they jumped through whatever hoops to get it.


there will certainly be apps that you and i consider crap. but there won't be outright malware.
 
2012-10-26 01:47:59 PM

Kazan: there will certainly be apps that you and i consider crap. but there won't be outright malware.


How will that work? Will every app for the store have to submit full source code, including any third-party libraries, for line-by-line review?

Neither Google nor Apple could keep their app stores malware-free. It'll be great if MS can, but I don't see how it's remotely feasible.
 
2012-10-26 01:51:00 PM

moel: poot_rootbeer: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: As for Windows 8: I've been using a beta release, and It's a pain in the ass. It's about as counter intuitive as an OS could possibly be on a desktop computer.

B-b-but if you spend more money on a non-Microsoft-sanctioned utility program, you can turn Win8 back into Win7 again!

Until MS issue an update to stop it working...yes... But no your right... ALL the Best OS's require you to buy and add third party software right out the box to get normal functionality back.


Doesn't MS get sued for anti-trust when they try to include useful programs an add-ons in their OSes?
 
2012-10-26 01:51:28 PM

moel: zedster: FTFA:
Here is OS X 10.0 from 2001:


Here is XP from 2001



Not sure what your point is zedster OS X hasn't really changed that much, whereas windows has been rewritten about 3 times....

Which either means your saying 'oh look at Apple it's sooo old' (it's not, it was just designed EXCEPTIONALLY well from the outset) or your saying, 'XP looked so much better and fresher than OS X why did they fark with that?'

Can you please clarify?


The point is that saying 8 has to be a game changer for MS is pure BS. ME and Vista were both failures. I'm sure I could find people saying the same stuff when Win98 came about it not being a game changer from Win95. (in fairness it wasn't ME level of failure but Win98 wasn't great until win98se)

Also, saying OS X 10.0 to 10.8 is just incremental is false, where MS releases SPs and updates Apple charges OS X 10.8 and 10.0 are just about as much the same OS as XP no SP and 7 currently
 
2012-10-26 01:53:59 PM
Why lookie here at what just arrived in the mail:
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-26 02:03:54 PM
It wasn't like the Apple keynote did anything either
 
2012-10-26 02:04:57 PM
Hard to be surprised when MS doesn't keep secerts like Apple or hype old tech with a new name.
 
2012-10-26 02:06:06 PM

SpaceButler: Kazan: there will certainly be apps that you and i consider crap. but there won't be outright malware.

How will that work? Will every app for the store have to submit full source code, including any third-party libraries, for line-by-line review?

Neither Google nor Apple could keep their app stores malware-free. It'll be great if MS can, but I don't see how it's remotely feasible.


RT apps run in a sandbox. the full windows API is not available to them.
 
2012-10-26 02:06:35 PM

cmunic8r99: We came for drama, but received something more akin to an infomercial.

What the fark did he expect? Monkeys flying out of Ballmer's ass?


4.bp.blogspot.com

Just sweat. Or crazy.
 
2012-10-26 02:12:35 PM
Microsoft Windows 8 Edsel
 
2012-10-26 02:20:17 PM

zarberg: Just sweat. Or crazy.


I always expect him to break out in to a rendition of "Putting on the Ritz" in that video.
 
2012-10-26 02:22:19 PM

zarberg: cmunic8r99: We came for drama, but received something more akin to an infomercial.

What the fark did he expect? Monkeys flying out of Ballmer's ass?


Just sweat. Or crazy.


www.gearbits.com
 
2012-10-26 02:27:14 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: zarberg: cmunic8r99: We came for drama, but received something more akin to an infomercial.

What the fark did he expect? Monkeys flying out of Ballmer's ass?


Just sweat. Or crazy.

[www.gearbits.com image 288x215]


Ballmer really reminds me of him.
 
2012-10-26 02:31:24 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: The All-Powerful Atheismo: zarberg: cmunic8r99: We came for drama, but received something more akin to an infomercial.

What the fark did he expect? Monkeys flying out of Ballmer's ass?


Just sweat. Or crazy.

[www.gearbits.com image 288x215]

Ballmer really reminds me of him.


PUTTIN ON A KEYNOOOOTE
 
2012-10-26 02:34:23 PM
Despite all the hate, I really, really want a Win8 tablet
 
2012-10-26 02:35:13 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: As for Windows 8: I've been using a beta release, and It's a pain in the ass. It's about as counter intuitive as an OS could possibly be on a desktop computer.


I tried the release preview of 8 for a while. It was just awful. Classic Shell is a free way to bring back a customizable start menu. It doesn't solve the rest of metro's problems though. I'm just going to stick with Windows 7 and Linux Mint, at least until PlayOnLinux works with all my games.
 
2012-10-26 02:38:19 PM

Kazan: RT apps run in a sandbox. the full windows API is not available to them.


Ahh. Does that really require an app store, though? I don't see why you couldn't make the OS work that way while still allowing people to download and install applications from anywhere they wish, though maybe that's just my own ignorance since I'm not an OS dev.

Also, can a sandbox be implemented that makes malware entirely impossible, short of a complete virtual machine that allows no communication of any kind back to the host OS?
 
2012-10-26 02:41:16 PM

NutWrench: One of the most critical questions that's been hanging over Windows 8 concerns Windows Store apps-and the lack thereof.

And the teeny tiny little detail that on Windows RT - the tablet version of Windows 8 - you can't install your own Windows programs. You have to go through an App Store. Which . . . . doesn't have any apps. Microsoft took an awesome piece of hardware and then farked it up by going with Apple's "all roads go through iTunes" approach.


Except for the part where you can still buy Mac software from places other than the App Store.
 
2012-10-26 02:43:50 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo:
PUTTIN ON A KEYNOOOOTE


LOL!

/I thought it was Paul Shaffer
//still laughing at keynooooote
 
2012-10-26 02:46:56 PM

BgJonson79: Doesn't MS get sued for anti-trust when they try to include useful programs an add-ons in their OSes?


Pretty sure they got sued for actively stopping Netscape from working correctly....

next...
 
2012-10-26 02:57:43 PM

bingethinker: Except for the part where you can still buy Mac software from places other than the App Store.


RT is obviously positioned as an iPad competitor, so your comparison is not particularly good.
 
2012-10-26 02:59:02 PM
Isn't PC World horribly Apple biased anyway?

I'm getting 8. It's cheap and I want to play around with it. I didn't have all those massive issues with Vista people seemed to have, and ME was fine except for the memory leaks. Mind you, I was only a dumb teen when ME came out.

I find it interesting all the hate MS is getting for actually attempting something new and innovative, yet people slobber Tim Cook's cock over old tech in new packaging that Steve Jobs never wanted to release.

Also, article is wrong, MS has technically made PC hardware before, seeing as I own 3 of their mice (3 PCs and all), including one that's still going strong after 5 years. Microsoft mice are awesome.
 
2012-10-26 03:00:34 PM
Today I learned that Julie Larson-Green is very shapely

images.techhive.com
 
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