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(Washington Post)   So, after several billion in campaign spending, endless amounts of television and Internet time spent on discussing, arguing, slandering, defending and confusing the issues, when all is said and done, the status quo will remain unchanged   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 90
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-26 09:00:13 AM  
That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.
 
2012-10-26 09:17:32 AM  

vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.


You think that will happen by 2016? I have a feeling we're only delaying for another four years until we get Bush 2.0.
 
2012-10-26 09:23:12 AM  

vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.


Pretty much. I'm not voting for progress. I'm voting to help galvanize the levee that holds these crazy assholes back.
 
2012-10-26 09:25:32 AM  

Cythraul: vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.

You think that will happen by 2016? I have a feeling we're only delaying for another four years until we get Bush 2.0.


I have a feeling that it will never happen. The right's reaction to losing for at least the past decade (but probably for about the past 30 years) has been "move more to the right".They will only accept victory as an indication that they have moved far enough to win. I think it's more likely that the Republican party will split and/or its saner members will become Democrats.
 
2012-10-26 10:01:00 AM  

vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.


True. Also, I say the status quo does change. Obama being re-elected is basically an affirmation of his first 4 years and a repudiation of Congress's obstructionism.

Also, Obama would get to preside over an improving economy now. That is what pisses of the GOP the most. They likely won't have a single negative economic vector to use in 2016. Finally, he doesn't have to mince words from now on although he will likely keep this in his back-pocket most of the time.
 
2012-10-26 11:12:29 AM  
i remember seeing this same article over and over again in the run-up to the 2000 election.
 
2012-10-26 11:15:54 AM  
And just think what could have happened with all those billions of dollars if they had been used to create jobs rather than just moved from rich pocket to rich pocket.
 
2012-10-26 11:26:38 AM  

mrshowrules: True. Also, I say the status quo does change. Obama being re-elected is basically an affirmation of his first 4 years and a repudiation of Congress's obstructionism.


I think Obama will win, but if he does, I don't think it's a repudiation of obstructionism - if anything it almost worked, which is almost scarier. And now the GOP has a whole new tactic it has tried, just simply lie about everything.

Also, Obama would get to preside over an improving economy now. That is what pisses of the GOP the most. They likely won't have a single negative economic vector to use in 2016. Finally, he doesn't have to mince words from now on although he will likely keep this in his back-pocket most of the time.

Or they could just obstruct for another 4 years and the economy would stumble along improving ever slightly but not as well as it could have if Congress had done anything - and in two years' time there'll be another election in which the House will probably gain more GOP seats - because America is stupid and doesn't vote in mid-term elections. And in four years, we'll vote Bush III into the White House.

I mean seriously this country farking sucks.
 
2012-10-26 11:48:23 AM  

bdub77: mrshowrules: True. Also, I say the status quo does change. Obama being re-elected is basically an affirmation of his first 4 years and a repudiation of Congress's obstructionism.

I think Obama will win, but if he does, I don't think it's a repudiation of obstructionism - if anything it almost worked, which is almost scarier. And now the GOP has a whole new tactic it has tried, just simply lie about everything.

Also, Obama would get to preside over an improving economy now. That is what pisses of the GOP the most. They likely won't have a single negative economic vector to use in 2016. Finally, he doesn't have to mince words from now on although he will likely keep this in his back-pocket most of the time.

Or they could just obstruct for another 4 years and the economy would stumble along improving ever slightly but not as well as it could have if Congress had done anything - and in two years' time there'll be another election in which the House will probably gain more GOP seats - because America is stupid and doesn't vote in mid-term elections. And in four years, we'll vote Bush III into the White House.

I mean seriously this country farking sucks.


90% of the damage obstructionism did was in the first 4 years. It hindered the recovery and the most crucial period, slowed down growth and probably delayed time frames for balancing the budget by at least 10 years.

The economy was a sick patient that the GOP were preventing treatment when it was in the ICU. Now the patient is being released from the hospital after far too long. Weak but getting stronger. The GOP could try and block the patient seeing their doctor for follow-ups but the damage has already been done.

My point is that the GOP blew the load on sacrificing the economy to get Obama out of office. If Obama wins, it will be the biggest failure of the GOP as well as their biggest douchebag move in recent history.

The economy will improve in the 2nd term regardless of GOP obstructionism, another war will end, gays will marry, immigration reform will take place, new regulations will likely prevent another financial crisis, Obamacare will become a permanent/popular institution. The won thing the GOP will be able to prevent (which is very unfortunate) will be investments in America's future.
 
2012-10-26 11:53:36 AM  

vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.


The right went catshiat insane in 1980, and hasn't looked back sense. They will not stop until they are dead, so give it another 20 years or so. That entire generation is completely fubared
 
2012-10-26 11:54:43 AM  
Well, generally... but we'll have gotten rid of the Kenyan Muslim and RESTORED America.
 
2012-10-26 11:56:03 AM  
Yes, NOTHING will change. That's not a wildly stupid thing to say or anything.
 
2012-10-26 11:56:27 AM  

dickfreckle: Pretty much. I'm not voting for progress. I'm voting to help galvanize the levee that holds these crazy assholes back.


THIS. This was the first time I voted straight party ticket since I first voted when I was 20. I voted all Repub then, and I voted all Dem yesterday. When the GOP comes back from crazyland they'll get my vote, but until then, no farking way.
 
2012-10-26 11:58:09 AM  
the status quo will remain unchanged

Should have just said that no matter who wins. If you believe otherwise you are deluding yourself.
 
2012-10-26 12:00:29 PM  

Cythraul: vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.

You think that will happen by 2016? I have a feeling we're only delaying for another four years until we get Bush 2.0.


Bush 2.0 can't run again, he's already had two terms.

That said, he'd be entirely preferable to most of the current GOP crop, though he'd be a bit of a drop in quality from Obama. Dude was ultimately just sitting like one standard deviation to the right, his positions were at least constrained by something vaguely recognizable as some form of human morality, he even tended to have his heart in the right place more often than not and just screwed it up because he was bad at it.

The TP guys have the same incompetence (to the point that Ryan, who can barely put one and one together to get two, is "the numbers guy") but are starting from a moral position that would have been called actively evil by any civilization not in a period referred to as a "dark age". Even the people of Ur would have taken issue with a government actively passing laws for the sole purpose of letting rapists walk without punishment, for instance. And by "take issue" I mean probably murdering the entire ruling class and starting over, as they did several times iirc.
 
2012-10-26 12:02:06 PM  
Elections are sure to change something. But never so much as the winning side hopes for, or as much as the losing side fears.
 
2012-10-26 12:02:10 PM  
People attribute way too much power to the president.

Fact:

The economy is going to be the same in 2016 whether Obama or Romney is elected president. They're simply not capable of magically making things better.
 
2012-10-26 12:02:25 PM  
Hyperbole aside, the write of this article and subby are total idiots.

Here's one example how the course of this nation will be changed for decades by the next President: The Supreme Court.

If Romney gets to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg the conservatives will have an all out majority on the Court. They will no longer have to worry about needing Kennedy's swing vote. And the court could be that way for decades. Roberts is 57, Alito 62, and Thomas 64.
 
2012-10-26 12:02:41 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: its saner members will become Democrats.


1. if they haven't by now they never will
2. they never will anyway because in GOP-speak "democrat" is synonymous with "evil" - the best we can hope for is that they stop voting Republican.
 
2012-10-26 12:02:43 PM  

dickfreckle: Pretty much. I'm not voting for progress. I'm voting to help galvanize the levee that holds these crazy assholes back.


I think we'll need something more than that.

i50.tinypic.com

/gop winter is coming
 
2012-10-26 12:03:46 PM  
Bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive.
 
2012-10-26 12:04:18 PM  
That's not true. We might get a pro-war, pro-tax cut, pro-tortue, pro-patriot act, pro-indefinite detention president who is pale, or keep the pro-war, pro-tax cut, pro-tortue, pro-patriot act, pro-indefinite detention president with the nice tan.
 
2012-10-26 12:04:29 PM  
It's amazing how much everyone on the left and right has shaped their delusions. We convince ourselves of lies and never let go. farking politics is psychology.
 
2012-10-26 12:04:45 PM  

Slives: And just think what could have happened with all those billions of dollars if they had been used to create jobs rather than just moved from rich pocket to rich pocket.


If only it were so simple. The thing is when they suck up a dollar it wrenches it out of someones hand that was scrapping by at making a living.
 
2012-10-26 12:07:40 PM  

topcon: People attribute way too much power to the president.

Fact:

The economy is going to be the same in 2016 whether Obama or Romney is elected president. They're simply not capable of magically making things better.


But they are capable of farking it up more by, say, ordering another unnecessary military invasion that will cost another trillion bucks (in this case, Iran)..

But I hear you. Both sides bad, vote Republican.
 
2012-10-26 12:08:38 PM  

thornhill: Hyperbole aside, the write of this article and subby are total idiots.

Here's one example how the course of this nation will be changed for decades by the next President: The Supreme Court.

If Romney gets to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg the conservatives will have an all out majority on the Court. They will no longer have to worry about needing Kennedy's swing vote. And the court could be that way for decades. Roberts is 57, Alito 62, and Thomas 64.


Romney could get as many as five seats to fill.

It's pretty much a given that Ginsburg will retire sometime during the next term.
If Romney wins, Scalia will take assurance of a Republican-appointed successor and retire.
There's a nonzero possibility that Thomas will feel the heat over his misconduct and, like Scalia, take the assurance of a Republican-appointed successor.
Stevens and Kennedy are both over 70 and probably contemplating retirement sometime in the next few years.
 
2012-10-26 12:09:14 PM  
Where do there billions of $$ actually wind up?
 
2012-10-26 12:10:10 PM  

qorkfiend: thornhill: Hyperbole aside, the write of this article and subby are total idiots.

Here's one example how the course of this nation will be changed for decades by the next President: The Supreme Court.

If Romney gets to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg the conservatives will have an all out majority on the Court. They will no longer have to worry about needing Kennedy's swing vote. And the court could be that way for decades. Roberts is 57, Alito 62, and Thomas 64.

Romney could get as many as five seats to fill.

It's pretty much a given that Ginsburg will retire sometime during the next term.
If Romney wins, Scalia will take assurance of a Republican-appointed successor and retire.
There's a nonzero possibility that Thomas will feel the heat over his misconduct and, like Scalia, take the assurance of a Republican-appointed successor.
Stevens and Kennedy are both over 70 and probably contemplating retirement sometime in the next few years.


Party before country, amirite? High five!
 
2012-10-26 12:12:22 PM  

cman: Party before country, amirite? High five!


Oh, so you'll be voting for Obama?
 
2012-10-26 12:12:24 PM  
Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79 years old. If you don't think there's a difference between replacing her with a Scalia wannabe and a non-Scalia wannabe, you are barely functioning retarded.
 
2012-10-26 12:14:58 PM  

bwilson27: Where do there billions of $$ actually wind up?


Newspapers and TV stations to run ads, paying people to actually make the ads, lawn sign and other campaign swag manufacturers, rent for office space, office equipment and supplies, campaign staff salary, travel expenses, security expenses...
 
2012-10-26 12:15:41 PM  

cman: qorkfiend: thornhill: Hyperbole aside, the write of this article and subby are total idiots.

Here's one example how the course of this nation will be changed for decades by the next President: The Supreme Court.

If Romney gets to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg the conservatives will have an all out majority on the Court. They will no longer have to worry about needing Kennedy's swing vote. And the court could be that way for decades. Roberts is 57, Alito 62, and Thomas 64.

Romney could get as many as five seats to fill.

It's pretty much a given that Ginsburg will retire sometime during the next term.
If Romney wins, Scalia will take assurance of a Republican-appointed successor and retire.
There's a nonzero possibility that Thomas will feel the heat over his misconduct and, like Scalia, take the assurance of a Republican-appointed successor.
Stevens and Kennedy are both over 70 and probably contemplating retirement sometime in the next few years.

Party before country, amirite? High five!


You disagree with some point?
 
2012-10-26 12:15:49 PM  

The Why Not Guy: cman: Party before country, amirite? High five!

Oh, so you'll be voting for Obama?


Nope

BTW that comment was directed at both the GOP and democrats who select SCOTUS appointees based upon their political positions alone
 
2012-10-26 12:17:35 PM  
Remember when the GOP talkingheads were saying this election was to be a referendum on Obama?
 
2012-10-26 12:18:04 PM  
Imagine if that money went towards helping the poor.
 
2012-10-26 12:18:04 PM  

stoli n coke: topcon: People attribute way too much power to the president.

Fact:

The economy is going to be the same in 2016 whether Obama or Romney is elected president. They're simply not capable of magically making things better.

But they are capable of farking it up more by, say, ordering another unnecessary military invasion that will cost another trillion bucks (in this case, Iran)..

But I hear you. Both sides bad, vote Republican.


"Wah, you said something that might be the tiniest bit slighted against Obama, so I'm going to say this cliched line. Gaa gaa goo goo, I'm a baby." That's what you're really saying when you retards say that line. Link to me ever saying anything in support of Mitt. Find it, I'll wait.

The American president does not have the power to change this economy, deal with it. We're in the middle of a worldwide, macroeconomic problem. Proclaiming an American is going to fix it is jingoistic, American exceptionalism at its best.
 
2012-10-26 12:18:54 PM  
But the status is NOT quo: 

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-26 12:19:24 PM  

Cythraul: vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.

You think that will happen by 2016? I have a feeling we're only delaying for another four years until we get Bush 2.0 4.5


FTFY.

/Muse it over a minute.
 
2012-10-26 12:20:54 PM  

cman: The Why Not Guy: cman: Party before country, amirite? High five!

Oh, so you'll be voting for Obama?

Nope

BTW that comment was directed at both the GOP and democrats who select SCOTUS appointees based upon their political positions alone


That's arguably what the Founders intended; they deliberately gave the power of SCOTUS appointments to a political branch.
 
2012-10-26 12:21:45 PM  

wildcardjack: Cythraul: vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.

You think that will happen by 2016? I have a feeling we're only delaying for another four years until we get Bush 2.0 4.5

FTFY.

/Muse it over a minute.


Who remembers the first Bush? That's so ancient history.
 
2012-10-26 12:22:54 PM  
And as for your Iran comment, Obama hasn't ever stopped kissing Israeli ass at any point, despite the Republicans claiming otherwise. Why the fark this is even an issue is appalling. Israel and their wars can eat a dick. It's time that America stops doing proxy shiat in their favor...and Obama isn't helping on that end, and Mitt certainly won't. You're only assuming Obama wouldn't start something with Iran.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/opinion/article/obama_and_israel_the_rec o rd_the_facts

Link
 
2012-10-26 12:23:15 PM  

topcon: stoli n coke: topcon: People attribute way too much power to the president.

Fact:

The economy is going to be the same in 2016 whether Obama or Romney is elected president. They're simply not capable of magically making things better.

But they are capable of farking it up more by, say, ordering another unnecessary military invasion that will cost another trillion bucks (in this case, Iran)..

But I hear you. Both sides bad, vote Republican.

"Wah, you said something that might be the tiniest bit slighted against Obama, so I'm going to say this cliched line. Gaa gaa goo goo, I'm a baby." That's what you're really saying when you retards say that line. Link to me ever saying anything in support of Mitt. Find it, I'll wait.

The American president does not have the power to change this economy, deal with it. We're in the middle of a worldwide, macroeconomic problem. Proclaiming an American is going to fix it is jingoistic, American exceptionalism at its best.


Only one candidate has been dick-wagging for Israel, who wants to start a fight with Iran and get us to clean it up. It ain't rocket surgery to figure out which candidate that is.
 
2012-10-26 12:23:26 PM  

mrshowrules: If Obama wins, it will be the biggest failure of the GOP as well as their biggest douchebag move in recent history.


I'll politely disagree. The biggest failure of the GOP was the Bush presidency but i agree it was their douchebaggiest move.
 
2012-10-26 12:27:58 PM  

Muta: mrshowrules: If Obama wins, it will be the biggest failure of the GOP as well as their biggest douchebag move in recent history.

I'll politely disagree. The biggest failure of the GOP was the Bush presidency but i agree it was their douchebaggiest move.


I think a lot of the Powers that Be in the GOP secretly consider the Bush presidency to be a smashing success.
 
2012-10-26 12:29:08 PM  

cman: The Why Not Guy: cman: Party before country, amirite? High five!

Oh, so you'll be voting for Obama?

Nope

BTW that comment was directed at both the GOP and democrats who select SCOTUS appointees based upon their political positions alone


Whereas I don't disagree with your opinion on this, are you saying that either Kagan or Sotomayor are otherwise unqualified for their positions on the SCOTUS? Of COURSE presidents are going to nominate justices that hold similar values. That's how the system is designed.

I mean, Bush nominated Harriet Miers, and legislators on both sides of the aisle said "lol no."
 
2012-10-26 12:31:41 PM  

Craptastic: cman: The Why Not Guy: cman: Party before country, amirite? High five!

Oh, so you'll be voting for Obama?

Nope

BTW that comment was directed at both the GOP and democrats who select SCOTUS appointees based upon their political positions alone

Whereas I don't disagree with your opinion on this, are you saying that either Kagan or Sotomayor are otherwise unqualified for their positions on the SCOTUS? Of COURSE presidents are going to nominate justices that hold similar values. That's how the system is designed.

I mean, Bush nominated Harriet Miers, and legislators on both sides of the aisle said "lol no."


I think the fact that we escaped the Bush years without either Harriet Miers or Alberto Gonzalez on the Court is a miracle.
 
2012-10-26 12:31:47 PM  

Cythraul: wildcardjack: Cythraul: vpb: That's about the best that can be hoped for until the spasm of bat-shiat crazy that has taken over the right subsides.

You think that will happen by 2016? I have a feeling we're only delaying for another four years until we get Bush 2.0 4.5

FTFY.

/Muse it over a minute.

Who remembers the first Bush? That's so ancient history.


I remember the lesser Bush, Neil. I spent 8 years telling my husband he was making a big mistake voting for the BOA party.
Bend
Over
America.

Now watch this drive.
 
2012-10-26 12:33:19 PM  

Craptastic: cman: The Why Not Guy: cman: Party before country, amirite? High five!

Oh, so you'll be voting for Obama?

Nope

BTW that comment was directed at both the GOP and democrats who select SCOTUS appointees based upon their political positions alone

Whereas I don't disagree with your opinion on this, are you saying that either Kagan or Sotomayor are otherwise unqualified for their positions on the SCOTUS? Of COURSE presidents are going to nominate justices that hold similar values. That's how the system is designed.

I mean, Bush nominated Harriet Miers, and legislators on both sides of the aisle said "lol no."


I won't disagree with you on the point of Miers. That was straight partisanship. As for the two Obama appointees I am not comfortable enough to make any sort of statement based upon partisanship since I am ignorant of their pasts.
 
2012-10-26 12:33:36 PM  

cman: Nope


So when I vote for my party's candidate it's "party before country" but when you vote for your party's candidate you're just doing the right thing? Sounds like a bit of a double standard you have going there.
 
2012-10-26 12:34:37 PM  

cman: I won't disagree with you on the point of Miers. That was straight partisanship.


Nah. It was straight cronyism, and was defeated by bipartisanship. A strange combination, to be sure.
 
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