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2012-10-26 01:28:07 AM  
I disagree. Because the only reason CA isn't a "swing-state" is because so many people will go vote for Obama there. Likewise, very few people will vote for Obama in, say, Alabama. But that's because people in those states overwhelmingly will go vote, and will reliably vote one way or the other.

But say that everybody that thought their state wasn't a "swing-state" just didn't show up and vote...then it would be everybody's crazy Uncle Carl in every state deciding the election.
 
2012-10-26 01:29:09 AM  
PS, did anybody else read that as "Crazy Uncle Sandusky"??
 
2012-10-26 02:38:13 AM  
Whoa. Of more importance is the fact that my only Uncle, IS in fact named Carl. Are you a farking wizard, Subby?

/scared and awed
 
2012-10-26 03:23:47 AM  
I'm absolutely fine with the "democratic process". I am NOT fine with this stupid, outdated Electoral College bullshiat. Those farkers don't actually HAVE to vote based on the popular vote in any way whatsoever. We could all stay home, and the entire election would still be just as much in their hands.
 
2012-10-26 03:26:29 AM  

ambassador_ahab: PS, did anybody else read that as "Crazy Uncle Sandusky"??


yup, And at which point I thought, well he cant vote anymore due to PA's laws so wtf is subby talking about.
 
2012-10-26 03:29:08 AM  
This article is copy-pasta'd every four years, with a search and replace for the names of the candidates.
 
2012-10-26 03:31:22 AM  
My crazy Uncle Carl touched my Sandusky once.
 
2012-10-26 03:31:57 AM  
And your batsh*t loony, wannabe elitist auntie will vote for the leader of the free world by picking whomever she thinks will keep brown people from walking on her lawn. Nothing's perfect.
 
2012-10-26 03:32:05 AM  

ambassador_ahab: I disagree. Because the only reason CA isn't a "swing-state" is because so many people will go vote for Obama there. Likewise, very few people will vote for Obama in, say, Alabama. But that's because people in those states overwhelmingly will go vote, and will reliably vote one way or the other.

But say that everybody that thought their state wasn't a "swing-state" just didn't show up and vote...then it would be everybody's crazy Uncle Carl in every state deciding the election.


The big cities are blue, but the rest of California is red red red. Remember that they're the third largest state and represent about the size of half the east coast. I know places like SF, LA, and SD get all the attention, but the rest is farmland filled with people who act like they're in the bible belt. You have to realise that with a state so large and diverse, it's gonna be purple out here.

//fark Bakersfield
 
2012-10-26 03:33:22 AM  
I have a theory about Ohio and Canada.

My theory postulates that no one actually lives there (because who would want to?). Ohio and Canada are simply fronts for toxic waste dumping, government experiments or some other such clandestine operations. In this case, ability to fix the national election

(who is fixing it? secret President, that's who. the guy that's been pulling the strings all this time)

This is of course excluding the facades constructed to propagate and conceal the conspiracy. Things like Cleveland or Niagra Falls or Akron or Toronto.

I've been to these places, I see it in the eyes of the "inhabitants", just waiting for me to gtfo so they can drop the act and go home to their families.

they aren't fooling anyone.
 
2012-10-26 03:35:27 AM  

MurphyMurphy: I have a theory about Ohio and Canada.

My theory postulates that no one actually lives there (because who would want to?)



You misspelled "Nebraska".
 
2012-10-26 03:37:02 AM  

ambassador_ahab: I disagree. Because the only reason CA isn't a "swing-state" is because so many people will go vote for Obama there. Likewise, very few people will vote for Obama in, say, Alabama. But that's because people in those states overwhelmingly will go vote, and will reliably vote one way or the other.

But say that everybody that thought their state wasn't a "swing-state" just didn't show up and vote...then it would be everybody's crazy Uncle Carl in every state deciding the election.


Voter turnout is low enough so that, if only half of the people who don't vote in the election came out and voted for Gary Johnson, Johnson would win enough electoral votes to make it improbable for either Obama or Romney to win outright.
 
2012-10-26 03:37:49 AM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: I know places like SF, LA, and SD get all the attention, but the rest is farmland filled with people who act like they're in the bible belt.


Fun fact: San Diego County is majority conservative. It's the reason the state temporarily banned gay marriage a few years ago.
 
2012-10-26 03:40:45 AM  

IlGreven: Voter turnout is low enough so that, if only half of the people who don't vote in the election came out and voted for Gary Johnson, Johnson would win enough electoral votes to make it improbable for either Obama or Romney to win outright.


That statement is semantically null.
 
2012-10-26 03:42:54 AM  
at first I was like "Carl Sandusky? that molestering guy??"
 
2012-10-26 03:45:02 AM  
i1024.photobucket.com

Uncle Carl?
 
2012-10-26 03:48:29 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Fun fact: San Diego County is majority conservative. It's the reason the state temporarily banned gay marriage a few years ago.


"Must make excuses to explain away massive number of Democrats voting in favor of this..."
 
2012-10-26 03:55:06 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Fell In Love With a Chair: I know places like SF, LA, and SD get all the attention, but the rest is farmland filled with people who act like they're in the bible belt.

Fun fact: San Diego County is majority conservative. It's the reason the state temporarily banned gay marriage a few years ago.


This! I was completely shocked about California being conservative outside the cities when I moved here a few years back. Definitely not what the media conveys about the state... probably so people don't balk about moving somewhere that's not metropolitan :B

I also had no idea just how BIG it is.

i.imgur.com

From the top of Pennsylvania to the bottom of South Carolina.
 
2012-10-26 03:55:57 AM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: ambassador_ahab: I disagree. Because the only reason CA isn't a "swing-state" is because so many people will go vote for Obama there. Likewise, very few people will vote for Obama in, say, Alabama. But that's because people in those states overwhelmingly will go vote, and will reliably vote one way or the other.

But say that everybody that thought their state wasn't a "swing-state" just didn't show up and vote...then it would be everybody's crazy Uncle Carl in every state deciding the election.

The big cities are blue, but the rest of California is red red red. Remember that they're the third largest state and represent about the size of half the east coast. I know places like SF, LA, and SD get all the attention, but the rest is farmland filled with people who act like they're in the bible belt. You have to realise that with a state so large and diverse, it's gonna be purple out here.

//fark Bakersfield


Similar here in Texas. four years ago, Houston, Dallas proper, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso all went blue, the rest of the state went red. It will be the same this year.
 
2012-10-26 04:00:14 AM  
From that area id be worried if I was on both sides. Ohioans can be unpredictable people. But I doubt that they will forget that Romney had a let them die attitude about the auto industry.
//Misses cedar point, Partying at the Cleve and Put-in-bay
///Top Thrill Dragster and Millennium force FTW
 
2012-10-26 04:05:04 AM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: HotWingAgenda: Fell In Love With a Chair: I know places like SF, LA, and SD get all the attention, but the rest is farmland filled with people who act like they're in the bible belt.

Fun fact: San Diego County is majority conservative. It's the reason the state temporarily banned gay marriage a few years ago.

This! I was completely shocked about California being conservative outside the cities when I moved here a few years back. Definitely not what the media conveys about the state... probably so people don't balk about moving somewhere that's not metropolitan :B

I also had no idea just how BIG it is.

[i.imgur.com image 428x300]

From the top of Pennsylvania to the bottom of South Carolina.


Yes and no. California is deeply conservative even in the bigger cities--I live behind the Orange Curtain, so I can safely say that; and some of our bigger small cities like Bakersfield, Fontana and Palmdale are havens for Nazi biker gangs and white supremacists who gladly funnel meth and guns to the flyover states.

That said, even our most hardcore Hitler-worshipping fundies will call themselves Californian before they'll identify with the ya-hoos in Iowa or West by god Virginia. They've got more in common with the Crips or MS-13 and sadly, deep down inside, they know it. You'll notice they're not flocking to join their brothers fighting the good fight in Alabamy. However, most of them don't vote, having destroyed all their brain cells huffing spray paint, so CA tends to go blue and that skews the perception of us being all liberal and shiat. We're really not.
 
2012-10-26 04:06:52 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Similar here in Texas. four years ago, Houston, Dallas proper, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso all went blue, the rest of the state went red. It will be the same this year.


Again, the people in the "Red" parts of Texas will make it go Romney, provided they show up and vote as expected. But even though we can easily predict that, it's still because Romney supporters are indeed going to go vote for him in Texas. If they all decided their votes "didn't matter" and didn't go to the polls, it would be a totally different story.
 
2012-10-26 04:11:34 AM  
My crazy uncle in Ohio is a Democrat.
 
2012-10-26 04:18:22 AM  
I have friends on both sides of the aisle. I have only one close friend that claims he is still undecided. He lives in Cincinnati. Go figure.
 
2012-10-26 05:18:43 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Yes and no. California is deeply conservative even in the bigger cities--I live behind the Orange Curtain, so I can safely say that; and some of our bigger small cities like Bakersfield, Fontana and Palmdale are havens for Nazi biker gangs and white supremacists who gladly funnel meth and guns to the flyover states.


Yup. Good old Orange County (The county just south of LA, home to Disneyland) is where harvest festivals, mega churches (techinically the first one was in LA proper, but the modern version started in OC), and the Trinity Broadcasting Network all got their start. Most out of state people I talk to assume they are all based out of the bible belt or the south, and don't realize just how many religious conservatives there are in "liberal" Southern California.

Go up north a ways to the central valley, and there's plenty of farmers demanding we kick the illegals out, while staffing their farms with both legal and illegal immigrants from Central America, and demanding a smaller federal government and the end of the EPA while raising hell if you suggest ending farm subsidies.

California was considered a Republian lock in presidential elections prior to 1992.

The only reason the state legislature is so heavily dominated by Democrats is due to gerrymandering, which they were able to convince the GOP to go along with several times now (there's even a huge Wikipedia entry on the 2000 gerrymandering).
 
2012-10-26 05:26:03 AM  
My crazy uncle in Ohio would only entrust the nuclear launch codes to Jerry, the bartender at Norm's Tavern.

Jerry would be far more likely to order an attack on the Baltimore Ravens than anywhere else.
 
2012-10-26 06:06:37 AM  
The best argument against Democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill

Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried - Winnie again

Make passing a critical thinking class mandatory fo graduate from High School and this problem will diminish remarkably starting in about 15 years. Foisting people upon the adult world with the unbelievable amount of information we have available, yet not teaching them even the basics of how to identify and reject bullshiat, is just cruel.
 
2012-10-26 06:21:20 AM  

ambassador_ahab: PS, did anybody else read that as "Crazy Uncle Sandusky"??


I did, too
 
2012-10-26 06:23:08 AM  

Mikey1969: I'm absolutely fine with the "democratic process". I am NOT fine with this stupid, outdated Electoral College bullshiat. Those farkers don't actually HAVE to vote based on the popular vote in any way whatsoever. We could all stay home, and the entire election would still be just as much in their hands.


The Electoral College will evaporate just as soon as a Republican wins the popular vote but loses the Electoral College vote. If the 2000 election had given the popular vote to Bush and the electoral college vote to Gore, the EC would be history by now.
 
2012-10-26 06:54:09 AM  

markfara: Mikey1969: I'm absolutely fine with the "democratic process". I am NOT fine with this stupid, outdated Electoral College bullshiat. Those farkers don't actually HAVE to vote based on the popular vote in any way whatsoever. We could all stay home, and the entire election would still be just as much in their hands.

The Electoral College will evaporate just as soon as a Republican wins the popular vote but loses the Electoral College vote. If the 2000 election had given the popular vote to Bush and the electoral college vote to Gore, the EC would be history by now.


You may see see that this November 6th.

/he says with glee.
 
2012-10-26 07:01:27 AM  

erik-k: The best argument against Democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill

Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others that have been tried - Winnie again

Make passing a critical thinking class mandatory fo graduate from High School and this problem will diminish remarkably starting in about 15 years. Foisting people upon the adult world with the unbelievable amount of information we have available, yet not teaching them even the basics of how to identify and reject bullshiat, is just cruel.


The problem, of course, is that different places have different demographics. Urban areas would get far more say than rural areas, because that's where most of the colleges and universities are, and that's where all of the smart people go. There really is no way to filter out "dumb" people without disenfranchising entire states' worth of people, not to mention the fact that intellect is usually income relative, and thus discriminatory based on race (whites are more likely to be rich than other minorities) and sex (men are more likely to be rich than women), and really, you're just returning the vote to the richest among us.

The only thing I would really do is ban all political advertising, including phonebots, newspaper, radio, TV, Internet, anything, from any entity not directly connected to a candidate or a political party. Sorry Crossroads, sorry AFP, sorry conservative think tanks, sorry grassroots liberal causes...you don't get to advertise for or against any candidate. If the candidate and their party can't convince you to vote for them, too bad.
 
2012-10-26 07:05:02 AM  
Maybe that is who decides between the candidates from Party X and Party Z. It says nothing about how the most exceptionalatin' democratic exceptionalist freedom liberty nation on Planet Jesus locks out all choices other than Party X and Party Z.
 
2012-10-26 07:07:35 AM  

crab66: My crazy uncle in Ohio is a Democrat.


My crazy aunt is a Republican school teacher.
 
2012-10-26 07:08:05 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Fell In Love With a Chair: I know places like SF, LA, and SD get all the attention, but the rest is farmland filled with people who act like they're in the bible belt.

Fun fact: San Diego County is majority conservative. It's the reason the state temporarily banned gay marriage a few years ago.


Yeah. Read the San Diego paper for a few weeks. You'd swear you were in Alabama. Not just conservative; Bible Belt conservative.

Still go there for vacation though.
 
2012-10-26 07:16:43 AM  
Well, if we get electoral reform in the way of getting rid of the EC, is it too much to ask for some form of proportional representation?

/Down with the EC
//Down with the two party system
///Up with slashies
 
2012-10-26 07:56:28 AM  

Bontesla:

My crazy aunt is a Republican school teacher.


After everything that has happened in Ohio during the past two years?
 
2012-10-26 08:26:04 AM  

AngryTeacher: Bontesla:

My crazy aunt is a Republican school teacher.

After everything that has happened in Ohio during the past two years?


It amazes me the lengths people will go to in order to justify voting against their own best interests, rather than spend thirty seconds actually doing some critical thought and being open to the idea that "hey, it's possible that the other party might actually represent my needs better than the one I've always unquestioningly voted for"
 
2012-10-26 08:29:06 AM  
Crazy as it sounds, if things continue they have been, I could see Texas becoming the next Swing State.

Sure, it's Republican as Republican can be, but all the new jobs they hire for are traditionally high-education jobs that university-educated dirty libs take.
 
2012-10-26 08:38:29 AM  
As many have said, plenty of people vote, so it doesn't come down to one state or one voter.

There is the movement for the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, but it is probably unconstitutional anyway.

I like the electoral college, but here are the changes that could be made to make voting better:

1. Increase the number of congressmen. Cali would get proportionately more than Alaska. The population to electoral vote ratio would improve for very large states. We should probably have about 2500 congressmen now if we went back to the last time the number was increased, and held that ratio based on population increases.

2. Allow for instant runoff voting. People should be able to vote for the candidate they REALLY want. I live in a swing state now, and I will be voting against Obama. I'd rather not vote for either of them.

We live in the United States. The states elect the president. I'm fine with the process. It just needs a few tweaks.
 
2012-10-26 09:04:30 AM  

riverwalk barfly: Fell In Love With a Chair: ambassador_ahab: I disagree. Because the only reason CA isn't a "swing-state" is because so many people will go vote for Obama there. Likewise, very few people will vote for Obama in, say, Alabama. But that's because people in those states overwhelmingly will go vote, and will reliably vote one way or the other.

But say that everybody that thought their state wasn't a "swing-state" just didn't show up and vote...then it would be everybody's crazy Uncle Carl in every state deciding the election.

The big cities are blue, but the rest of California is red red red. Remember that they're the third largest state and represent about the size of half the east coast. I know places like SF, LA, and SD get all the attention, but the rest is farmland filled with people who act like they're in the bible belt. You have to realise that with a state so large and diverse, it's gonna be purple out here.

//fark Bakersfield

Similar here in Texas. four years ago, Houston, Dallas proper, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso all went blue, the rest of the state went red. It will be the same this year.


most red states are like that, even in the deep south
 
2012-10-26 09:09:40 AM  

starsrift: Crazy as it sounds, if things continue they have been, I could see Texas becoming the next Swing State.

Sure, it's Republican as Republican can be, but all the new jobs they hire for are traditionally high-education jobs that university-educated dirty libs take.


TN is already pinker than Texas, it's going to benefit highly from Obamacare because of the healthcare industry being HQ'd in Nashville and the huge influx of manufacturing jobs means a decade from now democrats will have the upper hand on appealing to voters, that said local politics will probably still always favor republicans and the state has a long history of favoring republican senators who appeal to both sides
 
2012-10-26 10:03:31 AM  
Subby,

We don't live in a democracy. It's a republic.

Thanks,
The Facts
 
2012-10-26 10:07:12 AM  

defects: Subby,

We don't live in a democracy. It's a republic.

Thanks,
The Facts


Republican talking point. until Obama wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote. good times ahead.
 
2012-10-26 10:23:09 AM  

riverwalk barfly: defects: Subby,

We don't live in a democracy. It's a republic.

Thanks,
The Facts

Republican talking point. until Obama wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote. good times ahead.


Despite Gore/Bush mouth breathers still probably don't even know that his is a thing that can happen. They will no doubt become infromed soon if it does.
 
2012-10-26 10:25:56 AM  

mrshowrules: riverwalk barfly: defects: Subby,

We don't live in a democracy. It's a republic.

Thanks,
The Facts

Republican talking point. until Obama wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote. good times ahead.

Despite Gore/Bush mouth breathers still probably don't even know that his is a thing that can happen. They will no doubt become infromed soon if it does.


Let me add to this. What would happen if Romney won the popular vote and Obama won the electoral vote but only because the Supreme Court suspended a recount in a deciding state?
 
2012-10-26 10:29:46 AM  

mrshowrules: mrshowrules: riverwalk barfly: defects: Subby,

We don't live in a democracy. It's a republic.

Thanks,
The Facts

Republican talking point. until Obama wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote. good times ahead.

Despite Gore/Bush mouth breathers still probably don't even know that his is a thing that can happen. They will no doubt become infromed soon if it does.

Let me add to this. What would happen if Romney won the popular vote and Obama won the electoral vote but only because the Supreme Court suspended a recount in a deciding state?


As someone who can't stand Obama, I accept the fact that this may happen. I'm in the minority, probably.
 
2012-10-26 10:31:39 AM  
content8.flixster.com

Sandusky Graduate.

Is that for me Dad?

No son that's for me,

She's like a ten,
 
2012-10-26 10:38:11 AM  

Bronzed War God: mrshowrules: mrshowrules: riverwalk barfly: defects: Subby,

We don't live in a democracy. It's a republic.

Thanks,
The Facts

Republican talking point. until Obama wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote. good times ahead.

Despite Gore/Bush mouth breathers still probably don't even know that his is a thing that can happen. They will no doubt become infromed soon if it does.

Let me add to this. What would happen if Romney won the popular vote and Obama won the electoral vote but only because the Supreme Court suspended a recount in a deciding state?

As someone who can't stand Obama, I accept the fact that this may happen. I'm in the minority, probably.


They would have a Tea Party. That's pretty much it.

Some tea and cucumber sandwiches with the crust cut off.

upload.wikimedia.org

Rock on dudes,
I wonder how many morans bought this album. "What the hell ain't no 'murica the beautiful on here?" Can'daian wutt?
 
2012-10-26 10:47:46 AM  

Bronzed War God: mrshowrules: mrshowrules: riverwalk barfly: defects: Subby,

We don't live in a democracy. It's a republic.

Thanks,
The Facts

Republican talking point. until Obama wins the electoral college and loses the popular vote. good times ahead.

Despite Gore/Bush mouth breathers still probably don't even know that his is a thing that can happen. They will no doubt become infromed soon if it does.

Let me add to this. What would happen if Romney won the popular vote and Obama won the electoral vote but only because the Supreme Court suspended a recount in a deciding state?

As someone who can't stand Obama, I accept the fact that this may happen. I'm in the minority, probably.


I'm not exaggerating when I say that I think if my scenario played out it could launch another civil war.
 
2012-10-26 02:37:27 PM  

Kibbler: Yeah. Read the San Diego paper for a few weeks. You'd swear you were in Alabama. Not just conservative; Bible Belt conservative.


That's partly because a local developer bought the paper; he sees it as a tool to influence city politics for his own personal gain.
 
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