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2012-10-26 12:02:23 AM
Well, you get health insurance, your own personal body guards and a yearly income for life afterwards, so yeah.
 
2012-10-26 12:04:45 AM
It wasn't their money.
 
2012-10-26 12:05:27 AM
How much would you pay straight up to be in charge of the US military for four years? $2 billion is a bargain. And that's just one perk.
 
2012-10-26 12:36:14 AM

doglover: How much would you pay straight up to be in charge of the US military for four years? $2 billion is a bargain. And that's just one perk.


Yeah, but I just deal with my neighbor's screaming cat by feeding it a can of tuna and it shuts up. Do I really need to nuke their house?
 
2012-10-26 12:47:04 AM

doglover: How much would you pay straight up to be in charge of the US military for four years? $2 billion is a bargain. And that's just one perk.


Yeah, that and the 2 secret murders you get per year . .
 
2012-10-26 01:52:26 AM
Not to mention, don't you get to pardon prisoners? And you know, Air Force One is probably way awesome to travel in...

Plus, you probably get to know all the awesome classified stuff about the aliens and everything. I'd want it just for the aliens.
 
2012-10-26 02:03:15 AM

violentsalvation: It wasn't their money.
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2012-10-26 03:39:34 AM

Kanemano: violentsalvation: It wasn't their money.
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And the speaker's fees after they retire are ginormous.
 
2012-10-26 04:21:16 AM

Asa Phelps: doglover: How much would you pay straight up to be in charge of the US military for four years? $2 billion is a bargain. And that's just one perk.

Yeah, that and the 2 secret murders you get per year . .


Thank you. That was farking funny. I needed that laugh. Sadly, that may be true.
 
2012-10-26 04:33:03 AM
Sometimes I wonder if we should have passed public matching of campaign donations while we still had the chance. 'course, that's socialism and 'murika etc etc.

/also, trying to stop the flow of money at the presidential level just moved it to local races instead, which is arguably worse.
 
2012-10-26 04:34:10 AM
Yeah, I don't get it with Mitt... Usually people are looking ahead at the networking contacts, the power they acquire, the respect, etc... Mitt is at the point where he doesn't even have to keep putting his money in these stupid blind trusts. He doesn't need any more contacts, he doesn't need any more power.

Why go to all of this trouble? Is it maybe a hobby for him? I can't see anything else, since even his so called friends will do all right when Obama wins a second term. I just don't understand why someone THAT set for life needs to even worry about a job, let alone one that is this much of a pain in the ass to get hired for.

Obama's pretty well off himself, but he's not the kind of insane rich that Romney is, so the contacts, power, respect and money will actually more than just a drop in the ocean for him.

NOw, when my daughter is elected to be the first female President in 32 years, it will be out of a deep sense of duty for her Country, of course, but I haven't bought THAT excuse for a President for quite awhile... Of course, SHE will be different. ;-)
 
2012-10-26 04:40:21 AM
I'm not sure I ever understood it.

After President of the United States, whether you've been loved or vilified in office, there's no place to go but down. Even Nixon. His name is on the f*cking MOON. How does anything get any better than that?
 
2012-10-26 04:41:12 AM

Mikey1969: Yeah, I don't get it with Mitt... Usually people are looking ahead at the networking contacts, the power they acquire, the respect, etc... Mitt is at the point where he doesn't even have to keep putting his money in these stupid blind trusts. He doesn't need any more contacts, he doesn't need any more power.

Why go to all of this trouble? Is it maybe a hobby for him? I can't see anything else, since even his so called friends will do all right when Obama wins a second term. I just don't understand why someone THAT set for life needs to even worry about a job, let alone one that is this much of a pain in the ass to get hired for.

Obama's pretty well off himself, but he's not the kind of insane rich that Romney is, so the contacts, power, respect and money will actually more than just a drop in the ocean for him.

NOw, when my daughter is elected to be the first female President in 32 years, it will be out of a deep sense of duty for her Country, of course, but I haven't bought THAT excuse for a President for quite awhile... Of course, SHE will be different. ;-)


Well, I'll be dead in thirty-two years. But if by some chance medical technology keeps me alive. She already has my vote. Seriously though, you have to have a big ego to want that job.
 
2012-10-26 04:54:51 AM

Mikey1969: Mitt is at the point where he doesn't even have to keep putting his money in these stupid blind trusts. He doesn't need any more contacts, he doesn't need any more power.

Why go to all of this trouble?



Men like him don't get in that position by having any sense of when enough power is enough. It's not about what you have, it's about what's next.

Power can be an addiction. And in the hands of a true sociopath not even the sky is the limit.
 
2012-10-26 04:59:11 AM

riverwalk barfly: Well, I'll be dead in thirty-two years. But if by some chance medical technology keeps me alive. She already has my vote. Seriously though, you have to have a big ego to want that job.


I can see the concept of someone wanting it because they want to change the world for the better, I just can't think of someone who has run since I was born who I would actually believe if they told me that.

I've come to the conclusion that the people who would make the best leaders have no interest in it whatsoever, and the ones who have no business even being shift leader at the local Burger King are the ones who actually pursue positions of leadership. It's bass-ackwards and horribly depressing when you think about it for too long.
 
2012-10-26 05:00:53 AM

MurphyMurphy: Men like him don't get in that position by having any sense of when enough power is enough. It's not about what you have, it's about what's next.


When you get as rich as someone like that, "what's next" should really be sitting back and enjoying the fruits of your labors, especially with your friends and family.
 
2012-10-26 05:03:30 AM

Mikey1969: MurphyMurphy: Men like him don't get in that position by having any sense of when enough power is enough. It's not about what you have, it's about what's next.

When you get as rich as someone like that, "what's next" should really be sitting back and enjoying the fruits of your labors, especially with your friends and family.


Don't you mean the fruits of other people's labor?
 
2012-10-26 05:07:30 AM

MurphyMurphy: Mikey1969: Mitt is at the point where he doesn't even have to keep putting his money in these stupid blind trusts. He doesn't need any more contacts, he doesn't need any more power.

Why go to all of this trouble?


Men like him don't get in that position by having any sense of when enough power is enough. It's not about what you have, it's about what's next.

Power can be an addiction. And in the hands of a true sociopath not even the sky is the limit.


Mittens wants his offspring to rule America. Really. Like Kings n shiat. For real. And America likes to vote for political families for some reason.
 
2012-10-26 05:14:00 AM

Blue_Blazer: Mikey1969: MurphyMurphy: Men like him don't get in that position by having any sense of when enough power is enough. It's not about what you have, it's about what's next.

When you get as rich as someone like that, "what's next" should really be sitting back and enjoying the fruits of your labors, especially with your friends and family.

Don't you mean the fruits of other people's labor?


Exactly. He was born into money, and used it to legally take money from others.
 
2012-10-26 05:37:12 AM
first, $2 billion in 2012 is equal to what, $200K when money was worth something?

second, it's all b.s.. one of the world's biggest dog & pony shows. we the great unwashed don't really get to pick The Homecoming Queen. and when you look at the man behind the curtain it's all just a variation on pro wrestling any way. put on a good show, later that night your opponent and his wife are over at your place for a nice BBQ and a bottle of wine.
 
2012-10-26 05:58:08 AM
They aren't men. They're human representatives of the machine.
 
2012-10-26 06:05:22 AM

Phil Moskowitz: They aren't men. They're human representatives of the machine.


Well....

I'm pretty sure Romney is actually a machine representative of the machine.

But I know what you mean.
 
2012-10-26 06:17:05 AM

Phil Moskowitz: They aren't men. They're human representatives of the machine.


So vote Autobot?
 
2012-10-26 06:20:43 AM
We wonder why representative democracy doesn't work, as we pit two millionaires (who we demand be sin free, or at least we demand the opponent be sin-free) in a multi-billion dollar battle to jetset around the states and run insane tv commercials, all to prove just how like us they really are.

If you want to know why government doesn't work... that's why... only rich lawyers can even afford to run for most of the lower offices, occasionally a nice farmer like Jon Tester makes it through, but he'll get drummed out in favor of another rich guy who is a little more of a team player in moneyball. We hire, almost exclusively, lawyers... bad ones at that, and then we wonder why these idiots don't believe in evolution, why they don't believe in tectonic plates, why they don't believe in math. Where are the transportation economists, where are the scientists, where are the engineers, where is anyone who has actually practiced medicine in the last 20 years as a career (I like that Ron Paul is a doctor, but he's not exactly current), where are the farmers, where are the IT guys? Lawyers are great for writing laws, and I'm not saying we don't need *some* of them in Congress... but when we elect nothing but lawyers, how can we rightly be surprised that they don't know about any subject other than writing laws? This idiocy gives more sway to PACs and lobbyists, and takes away from the constituents... the system fails us because we make it fail us day in and day out.
 
2012-10-26 06:41:11 AM

firefly212: We wonder why representative democracy doesn't work, as we pit two millionaires (who we demand be sin free, or at least we demand the opponent be sin-free) in a multi-billion dollar battle to jetset around the states and run insane tv commercials, all to prove just how like us they really are.

If you want to know why government doesn't work... that's why... only rich lawyers can even afford to run for most of the lower offices, occasionally a nice farmer like Jon Tester makes it through, but he'll get drummed out in favor of another rich guy who is a little more of a team player in moneyball. We hire, almost exclusively, lawyers... bad ones at that, and then we wonder why these idiots don't believe in evolution, why they don't believe in tectonic plates, why they don't believe in math. Where are the transportation economists, where are the scientists, where are the engineers, where is anyone who has actually practiced medicine in the last 20 years as a career (I like that Ron Paul is a doctor, but he's not exactly current), where are the farmers, where are the IT guys? Lawyers are great for writing laws, and I'm not saying we don't need *some* of them in Congress... but when we elect nothing but lawyers, how can we rightly be surprised that they don't know about any subject other than writing laws? This idiocy gives more sway to PACs and lobbyists, and takes away from the constituents... the system fails us because we make it fail us day in and day out.


Wow. This makes sense. I mean really, I'm an accountant that spent his entire career writing budgets for Medical schools. I don't want Doctors preparing budgets. I don't want accountants writing my prescriptions. And to your point, why do we have lawyers deciding policy on Climate change, education, wars, etc.
 
2012-10-26 06:50:55 AM

NewportBarGuy: doglover: How much would you pay straight up to be in charge of the US military for four years? $2 billion is a bargain. And that's just one perk.

Yeah, but I just deal with my neighbor's screaming cat by feeding it a can of tuna and it shuts up. Do I really need to nuke their house?


No, you don't need to. You don't need to do a lot of things. It's just more fun that way.

BTW, appeasing your neighbor's cat is only making it see you as weak. You are encouraging other cats to begin screaming.
 
2012-10-26 06:54:58 AM

Mikey1969: Yeah, I don't get it with Mitt... Usually people are looking ahead at the networking contacts, the power they acquire, the respect, etc... Mitt is at the point where he doesn't even have to keep putting his money in these stupid blind trusts. He doesn't need any more contacts, he doesn't need any more power.

Why go to all of this trouble? Is it maybe a hobby for him? I can't see anything else, since even his so called friends will do all right when Obama wins a second term. I just don't understand why someone THAT set for life needs to even worry about a job, let alone one that is this much of a pain in the ass to get hired for.

Obama's pretty well off himself, but he's not the kind of insane rich that Romney is, so the contacts, power, respect and money will actually more than just a drop in the ocean for him.

NOw, when my daughter is elected to be the first female President in 32 years, it will be out of a deep sense of duty for her Country, of course, but I haven't bought THAT excuse for a President for quite awhile... Of course, SHE will be different. ;-)


Well, there is being able to do something his father couldn't do. Plus, we were worried about the Kennedy family, or the Bush family. LOOK AT ALL THOSE ROMNEYS!!!!!!
 
2012-10-26 07:06:35 AM
Well Mitt is fighting to pay less than 3% in income taxes and that his wealth will be passed onto his kids for free.
 
2012-10-26 07:09:50 AM
I thought you made the money afterwards? Look at all the recent former presidents. They went from wealthy to super/obscene wealthy due to all their connections and back dealing.
 
2012-10-26 08:26:31 AM
Coupla things:

1) When it's not your money, you don't really care how much you spend.

2) Fundraising has become a goal in and of itself. The Democrat and Republican compete for the most money not because more money buys a better campaign (it doesn't)...but, because the more money you raise, the better press you get (and, ironically, that sort of press is gotten for free -- or, close to it).
 
2012-10-26 08:41:01 AM
Americans spend $15-billion each year on bottled water.

So $2-billion every four years to select the Leader of the Free WorldTM seems like a good deal, no?

/Municipal water is of very high quality in most places, often better than the bottled stuff, and a miniscule fraction of the cost.
 
2012-10-26 09:05:44 AM

ambassador_ahab: Plus, you probably get to know all the awesome classified stuff about the aliens and everything. I'd want it just for the aliens.


Two words, Mr. President. Plausible deniability.
 
2012-10-26 09:40:00 AM

soj4life: Well Mitt is fighting to pay less than 3% in income taxes and that his wealth will be passed onto his kids for free.


cf.chucklesnetwork.agj.co
 
2012-10-26 09:49:30 AM
Special interests have purchased the company.......this happened a long time before the SCOTUS ruling that gave us SuperPacs.
 
2012-10-26 10:21:28 AM

eraser8: the more money you raise, the better press you get (and, ironically, that sort of press is gotten for free -- or, close to it).


The relationship between good press and ad buys doesn't sound free to me.
 
2012-10-26 10:34:22 AM

thurstonxhowell: eraser8: the more money you raise, the better press you get (and, ironically, that sort of press is gotten for free -- or, close to it).

The relationship between good press and ad buys doesn't sound free to me.


You've missed the point entirely.

It's not the ad buys that get the good press. What dazzles the Fourth Estate -- at least in the United States -- is the number of dollars that come into the campaign. As I wrote earlier, fundraising has become a goal in and of itself: the more money you raise, the better press you get -- REGARDLESS of ad buys.
 
2012-10-26 10:51:42 AM

NewportBarGuy: doglover: How much would you pay straight up to be in charge of the US military for four years? $2 billion is a bargain. And that's just one perk.

Yeah, but I just deal with my neighbor's screaming cat by feeding it a can of tuna and it shuts up. Do I really need to nuke their house?


It clear you are not one of the GOP faithful. There are always use for nukes.and loud cats are one of them.
 
2012-10-26 11:37:03 AM
reminds me of lewis black's joke about vp dick chaney not returning his bonus from haliburton after he became vp. you don't hear: he was the vice-president and now he's a crack addict.
 
2012-10-26 12:16:13 PM
If Rmoney can get elected and repeal cap gains or lower them significantly the tax savings will be immense. Not to mention, that billion = other people's money.
 
2012-10-26 06:48:14 PM

limeyfellow: NewportBarGuy: doglover: How much would you pay straight up to be in charge of the US military for four years? $2 billion is a bargain. And that's just one perk.

Yeah, but I just deal with my neighbor's screaming cat by feeding it a can of tuna and it shuts up. Do I really need to nuke their house?

It clear you are not one of the GOP faithful. There are always use for nukes.and loud cats are one of them.


And those screaming cats are probably having out-of-wedlock, underage cat sex. If you were really a GOP faithful, you'd sic the legal hounds on them to legislate that sin away and remove their safety net. Why should taxpayers support an unemployed mother who 6-8 children by 10-11 different fathers? It's an outrage!
 
2012-10-26 07:03:32 PM

machoprogrammer: Two words, Mr. President. Plausible deniability.


I want to believe.
 
2012-10-26 07:21:38 PM

firefly212: We wonder why representative democracy doesn't work, as we pit two millionaires (who we demand be sin free, or at least we demand the opponent be sin-free) in a multi-billion dollar battle to jetset around the states and run insane tv commercials, all to prove just how like us they really are.

If you want to know why government doesn't work... that's why... only rich lawyers can even afford to run for most of the lower offices, occasionally a nice farmer like Jon Tester makes it through, but he'll get drummed out in favor of another rich guy who is a little more of a team player in moneyball. We hire, almost exclusively, lawyers... bad ones at that, and then we wonder why these idiots don't believe in evolution, why they don't believe in tectonic plates, why they don't believe in math. Where are the transportation economists, where are the scientists, where are the engineers, where is anyone who has actually practiced medicine in the last 20 years as a career (I like that Ron Paul is a doctor, but he's not exactly current), where are the farmers, where are the IT guys? Lawyers are great for writing laws, and I'm not saying we don't need *some* of them in Congress... but when we elect nothing but lawyers, how can we rightly be surprised that they don't know about any subject other than writing laws? This idiocy gives more sway to PACs and lobbyists, and takes away from the constituents... the system fails us because we make it fail us day in and day out.


There's more to it. Lawyers are trained not to try to discover the "truth" but to discover arguments that make "their truth" sound good. Its all about making and winning the argument. When you look at the dysfunction of Washington with the understanding of how they have been trained to think our current situation shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Most of them are not interested in finding and doing what's best for the country, most are interested in finding new ways to make arguments that their ideology is best for the country, whether that is true or not.
 
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