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(Think Progress)   Romney campaign chair John Sununu decides to go there as to why Gen. Colin Powell endorsed President Obama   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 37
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2012-10-26 03:03:51 AM
32 votes:
This is a really good example of what racism looks like though. There are people that would prefer not to acknowledge racism unless it involves burning crosses and KKK members, and who are happy to gloss over far more common examples of racism.
 
John Sununu seems to think that while black people vote based on race, white people do not, and the fact that he is a white man endorsing a white man isn't worth noting, but a black man endorsing a black man can't be based on logic and has to be based on racial identity. And in doing that, he completely and totally dismissed Colin Powell's very thoughtful and reasoned endorsement.

The Republican party was more than happy to point to Colin Powell as an example of a black person that they like for a long time- but the second he stepped out of line, it no longer matters that he's a retired four star general, former chairman of the joint chiefs, and a former secretary of state. He immediately becomes just another black guy, and they're happy to imply that he's a bit simple and that he's not capable of thinking things through like they are.

It's really, really gross. It also seems to be totally invisible to a lot of people.
2012-10-25 11:44:32 PM
5 votes:
Nah. Powell supports Obama because Romney is an asshole.
2012-10-26 03:50:55 AM
4 votes:

pissedoffmick: I will read it - thanks. Is "not recognizing racism" now a BAD thing? As long as you are on top of the solution - what is it?


That's kind of the problem- there is no quick and easy solution for something that's been built into every social structure we have. We're looking at a tradition of discrimination in this country that goes back to the formation of the original colonies. Legal segregation based on race was legal until my mother was 11 years old. That's one generation back. You can't undo the harm from that overnight. Recognizing that legacy is important though.

Read the article. Then do a little more research on a color-blind approach to studying racial issues. Basically, by empasizing only the way people are similar- we lose the ability to recognize the ways in which we're different. In this country, that often translates to differences in available education and career opportunities, in family income, and in other similar areas. There's another good piece on that- it's called "Unpacking the Invisible Backpack" and it's a classic piece on this issue.

I don't want to get too Tolstoy- but glossing over and ignoring all the ways in which racism has shaped our country is how you get ideas like "Welfare Queens". It's easy to look at poor black neighborhoods that have lived in poverty with disdain if you think they've had the same opportunities as you and simply chose not to take them. The tendency to do that has worked its way into our political system in really, really damaging ways.
2012-10-26 03:34:10 AM
3 votes:

pissedoffmick: I am with Morgan Freeman - if we want to really stop racism in this country then STOP talking about it. We give it power it doesn't deserve by blabbing away about "equality" rather than just living and letting our best people do their best work


Yea, it doesn't work like that. In fact, that approach is why so many people have a hard time even recognizing racism.

 Here, here's one article on this subject. There are many. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/colorblind/201112/colorblind-ideo l ogy-is-form-racism

 
2012-10-26 03:09:10 AM
3 votes:

ndubyaj: I'm guessing that tomorrow morning the Romney campaign cans his ass.



No way. This close to the election, it's solidarity all the way through. It's why Mourdock didn't get thrown under the bus the way Akin did. They'll do exactly what they did for Mourdock: say they disagree with the statement and then start talking about the greatness of John Sununu.

They won't chance giving the media anything to work with.

 
2012-10-25 11:42:12 PM
3 votes:
And I applaud Mr. Sununu for standing with fellow white man, Mitt Romney.

That's seriously in the running for most offensive thing said in this campaign.
2012-10-26 07:12:03 AM
2 votes:
A wealthy, old, conservative white guy making racist remarks and thinking he's being insightful? Why, I never...

Also, for all the cretin's in here defending Sununu, Sununu was backtracking on this bullshiat almost as soon as he said it.
2012-10-26 06:50:46 AM
2 votes:

Bontesla: Genevieve Marie: This is a really good example of what racism looks like though. There are people that would prefer not to acknowledge racism unless it involves burning crosses and KKK members, and who are happy to gloss over far more common examples of racism.
 
John Sununu seems to think that while black people vote based on race, white people do not, and the fact that he is a white man endorsing a white man isn't worth noting, but a black man endorsing a black man can't be based on logic and has to be based on racial identity. And in doing that, he completely and totally dismissed Colin Powell's very thoughtful and reasoned endorsement.

The Republican party was more than happy to point to Colin Powell as an example of a black person that they like for a long time- but the second he stepped out of line, it no longer matters that he's a retired four star general, former chairman of the joint chiefs, and a former secretary of state. He immediately becomes just another black guy, and they're happy to imply that he's a bit simple and that he's not capable of thinking things through like they are.

It's really, really gross. It also seems to be totally invisible to a lot of people.

This.


The Republicans assume that since they vote against Obama because of his race, those who vote for him do so for the same reason.
2012-10-26 06:12:50 AM
2 votes:
I'd like to take this time to point out that the Romney campaign, which promises to lower the deficit, has hired John Sununu, a man who got drummed out of politics in the 80s after charging hundred thousand dollar ski vacations to taxpayers, as their spokesperson. The GOP has a terribly short memory, and it disappoints me greatly that no one in the "liberal" media calls them out for that.
2012-10-26 04:53:38 AM
2 votes:
Dude, I don't know what to tell you. Generally, if I take several minutes to work on a post and I bother to add citations and reading suggestions, it's because I'm genuinely trying to have a discussion on the topic at hand. You chose to interpret it differently, as is your right, but that's not on me.
2012-10-26 03:04:38 AM
2 votes:
I'm still pissed that Bush threw Powell under the bus.

/pissed
2012-10-26 03:00:42 AM
2 votes:
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2012-10-25 11:50:33 PM
2 votes:
From the comments:
He voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 because its called Job Security, and the fact there was no white candidate opposing Bush. He voted for Obama in 2008, and will vote for him again this year, because both are black, and because Powell never had a shred of Republican in him to begin with. Whats wrong with telling the truth once in a while? Obama should try it.

That's right, Gore and Kerry, both black.
And I'd say going to the UN to push the Bush administration's lies about Iraq pretty well qualifies him as a Republican.
2012-10-26 11:47:14 AM
1 votes:

shotglasss: Obvious tag busy, trollmitter? Powell made it clear in 08 that Obama got his vote because of his skin. This election is no different because Powell is no different than the other 97% of blacks who will vote for Obama based on skin color.


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2012-10-26 08:48:11 AM
1 votes:
OH that Powell!!!! I almost forgot.. The one with the evidence :))))



politics.blogs.foxnews.com
2012-10-26 08:22:38 AM
1 votes:

jules_siegel: ?

Waste.

Well, maybe not. Procrastination does have some survival value or it wouldn't persist as a human trait.


Just remember when you do such things, its not necessarily a waste. This threads do not occur in a vacuum. True, the person you are engaging may or may not actually be interested, and may be stringing you along. But *other* people are reading to, and by engaging them (and, potentially, smacking them down), you do not allow their statements and beliefs to go unchallenged (and when being polite and well sourced, may even sway people to your side.)
2012-10-26 08:11:21 AM
1 votes:

keylock71: So black people are only voting for Obama because he's black, too, but white people voting for Romney are doing so based a rational decision on policies. Got it.

Do some of you idiots actually read what you type before you post it?


Cognitive dissonance for the win
2012-10-26 06:36:05 AM
1 votes:
Obvious tag busy, trollmitter? Powell made it clear in 08 that Obama got his vote because of his skin. This election is no different because Powell is no different than the other 97% of blacks who will vote for Obama based on skin color.
2012-10-26 06:32:05 AM
1 votes:
John Sununu is a farking asshole. That is all you need to know about him.
2012-10-26 05:33:31 AM
1 votes:

pissedoffmick: But you did say "pretty much anything" would be helpful. So... name some "helpful" stuff.


actually I think I'm going to test your theory out by ignoring you and seeing if that makes you go away.
2012-10-26 05:06:12 AM
1 votes:

pissedoffmick: OK - your solution is?


pretty much anything beyond "ignore it" is a step in the right direction. dare I say that "blabbing away about equality" might just be the best step in the right direction.
2012-10-26 05:06:10 AM
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: propasaurus: pissedoffmick: ...more unnecessary insults...

Yeah, that's enough outta you.

Did you expect anything less from a drunk Irishman?


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2012-10-26 04:13:28 AM
1 votes:

pissedoffmick: How that concept ended up with me being the dick I have no earthy idea.



For what it's worth, I didn't think what you said was actively bad or malicious, I just thought that it showed that you probably haven't studied this stuff with any real depth- which is the case with most people, so I didn't view it as a negative character trait.

The "Oh, aren't you cute" line irked me a bit though.
2012-10-26 04:01:33 AM
1 votes:

pissedoffmick: It is kinda cute that you assume I am white.


Point to one thing I said where I made that assumption. You could *maybe* make the argument that I trended there in my third paragraph, but I tried to make it pretty clear that I was using "You" in the general sense there.

 Also, although I do make a conscious effort not to make that assumption when I talk about this stuff: you identified yourself as an Irish Cathollc and indicated that your family aligned racially with JFK, so... that would be a pretty decent reason to assume you were white- if that assumption was even relavent to anything I just said.
2012-10-26 03:58:16 AM
1 votes:

Genevieve Marie: This is a really good example of what racism looks like though. There are people that would prefer not to acknowledge racism unless it involves burning crosses and KKK members, and who are happy to gloss over far more common examples of racism.
 
John Sununu seems to think that while black people vote based on race, white people do not, and the fact that he is a white man endorsing a white man isn't worth noting, but a black man endorsing a black man can't be based on logic and has to be based on racial identity. And in doing that, he completely and totally dismissed Colin Powell's very thoughtful and reasoned endorsement.

The Republican party was more than happy to point to Colin Powell as an example of a black person that they like for a long time- but the second he stepped out of line, it no longer matters that he's a retired four star general, former chairman of the joint chiefs, and a former secretary of state. He immediately becomes just another black guy, and they're happy to imply that he's a bit simple and that he's not capable of thinking things through like they are.

It's really, really gross. It also seems to be totally invisible to a lot of people.


This, this and more this.

Apparently, only WHITE people vote based on rational thought. Black (and presumably brown, also yellow and red people) only vote based on skin color. Ergo, while a WHITE person might vote for a black (brown, yellow, red) person because they find their politics amenable, a person of color ONLY votes for such a person based on skin tone--although if they voted for a white person, it can only be because of the white person's superior political stance.

Why not just get out the hoods and sheets while you're at it, Sununu? Trot out the ol' bell curve while you're at it and unpack all those hoary old racist theories too. Let's get it all out there. Hell, go ahead and call General Powell a n*gger too, you're on a roll.
2012-10-26 03:55:33 AM
1 votes:
Oh here's the piece I was talking about- Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack. It's worth a read if any of the stuff I've said is of any interest.

http://ted.coe.wayne.edu/ele3600/mcintosh.html 
2012-10-26 03:53:59 AM
1 votes:

intelligent comment below: pissedoffmick: I am with Morgan Freeman - if we want to really stop racism in this country then STOP talking about it. We give it power it doesn't deserve by blabbing away about "equality" rather than just living and letting our best people do their best work. Titty Sprinkles.


Morgan Freeman? What does he have his Ph.D. in? Social sciences?

Tell me all about how a white person and black person have the same chances in life. They both just need to work hard and they will both magically succeed.

How does it feel to live in such a delusional bubble?


It's ok most of the time - thanks so much for asking. I sometimes think that popular people, even those without doctorate degrees (who are actually black) who have created enormous success for themselves from nothing might have offer some perspective. I do think Rosa Parks was a real coont though - no degree havin' coont.
2012-10-26 03:43:29 AM
1 votes:
Congrats, Sunununu, you have reached Limbaugh-esque levels shiatheadedness.
2012-10-26 03:38:40 AM
1 votes:
Is America ready for a white president?
2012-10-26 03:36:36 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: I honestly thought John Sununu was dead.


Just between the ears.
2012-10-26 03:34:58 AM
1 votes:
The moment I heard about Powell's endorsement I wondered

-how long until?

-who will be the first dick to say it?
2012-10-26 03:28:27 AM
1 votes:
Old guy clause in effect * Before everybody was so farking worried that everything they said was going to be broadcast around the world seconds later and split into a billion arguments they said what they felt like saying.

Why is it wrong for a black guy to vote for a black guy because he is black? I am Irish Catholic and my family still have pictures of JFK on their walls. I would love to see a Shamus Kelly in office. When Jon Stewart is elected president in 2016 Jews will create a new, completely flavor free dish named after him for sure, and they should! It isn't racist to want to see people like you succeed, it is racist to want those who are different from you fail.

I am with Morgan Freeman - if we want to really stop racism in this country then STOP talking about it. We give it power it doesn't deserve by blabbing away about "equality" rather than just living and letting our best people do their best work. Titty Sprinkles.
2012-10-26 03:20:27 AM
1 votes:

Omahawg: There was a time in the mid-90s when I figured Colin would be our first black president. I really did.



Yup. I read his book in high school, and I thought the same thing.
2012-10-26 03:16:17 AM
1 votes:

ndubyaj: I'm guessing that tomorrow morning the Romney campaign cans his ass.


Romney will give the standard non-apology apology - "His words were misconstrued, blah blah" - then double down on backing him.

Guaran-friggin'-teed. He's just that clueless.
2012-10-26 03:09:53 AM
1 votes:

powhound: I'm still pissed that Bush threw Powell under the bus.

/pissed


If you listen to my Fox News lovin' dad, Powell threw W under the bus by lying about the information, and then making Bush and the whole country look bad for getting us into a war of choice.

Powell is now just another casualty in the Republican War on Truth.
2012-10-26 02:59:03 AM
1 votes:
Sununu releases statement in response to controversy:

Colin Powell is a friend and I respect the endorsement decision he made, I do not doubt that it was based on anything but his support of the President's policies.


Ummm....he's still saying Powell did it cause he's black.

"I do not doubt" = "I believe"
"it was based on anything but his support of the President's policies" = "his support was not based on the President's policies"

"I believe""his support was not based on the President's policies."
2012-10-25 11:48:10 PM
1 votes:
John Sununu says something blisteringly stupid?

Well, I'm shocked.
 
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