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(Think Progress)   Romney campaign chair John Sununu decides to go there as to why Gen. Colin Powell endorsed President Obama   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 168
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2012-10-26 03:55:33 AM
Oh here's the piece I was talking about- Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack. It's worth a read if any of the stuff I've said is of any interest.

http://ted.coe.wayne.edu/ele3600/mcintosh.html 
 
2012-10-26 03:57:32 AM

Genevieve Marie: pissedoffmick: I will read it - thanks. Is "not recognizing racism" now a BAD thing? As long as you are on top of the solution - what is it?

That's kind of the problem- there is no quick and easy solution for something that's been built into every social structure we have. We're looking at a tradition of discrimination in this country that goes back to the formation of the original colonies. Legal segregation based on race was legal until my mother was 11 years old. That's one generation back. You can't undo the harm from that overnight. Recognizing that legacy is important though.

Read the article. Then do a little more research on a color-blind approach to studying racial issues. Basically, by empasizing only the way people are similar- we lose the ability to recognize the ways in which we're different. In this country, that often translates to differences in available education and career opportunities, in family income, and in other similar areas. There's another good piece on that- it's called "Unpacking the Invisible Backpack" and it's a classic piece on this issue.

I don't want to get too Tolstoy- but glossing over and ignoring all the ways in which racism has shaped our country is how you get ideas like "Welfare Queens". It's easy to look at poor black neighborhoods that have lived in poverty with disdain if you think they've had the same opportunities as you and simply chose not to take them. The tendency to do that has worked its way into our political system in really, really damaging ways.


It is kinda cute that you assume I am white.
 
2012-10-26 03:58:16 AM

Genevieve Marie: This is a really good example of what racism looks like though. There are people that would prefer not to acknowledge racism unless it involves burning crosses and KKK members, and who are happy to gloss over far more common examples of racism.
 
John Sununu seems to think that while black people vote based on race, white people do not, and the fact that he is a white man endorsing a white man isn't worth noting, but a black man endorsing a black man can't be based on logic and has to be based on racial identity. And in doing that, he completely and totally dismissed Colin Powell's very thoughtful and reasoned endorsement.

The Republican party was more than happy to point to Colin Powell as an example of a black person that they like for a long time- but the second he stepped out of line, it no longer matters that he's a retired four star general, former chairman of the joint chiefs, and a former secretary of state. He immediately becomes just another black guy, and they're happy to imply that he's a bit simple and that he's not capable of thinking things through like they are.

It's really, really gross. It also seems to be totally invisible to a lot of people.


This, this and more this.

Apparently, only WHITE people vote based on rational thought. Black (and presumably brown, also yellow and red people) only vote based on skin color. Ergo, while a WHITE person might vote for a black (brown, yellow, red) person because they find their politics amenable, a person of color ONLY votes for such a person based on skin tone--although if they voted for a white person, it can only be because of the white person's superior political stance.

Why not just get out the hoods and sheets while you're at it, Sununu? Trot out the ol' bell curve while you're at it and unpack all those hoary old racist theories too. Let's get it all out there. Hell, go ahead and call General Powell a n*gger too, you're on a roll.
 
2012-10-26 04:01:05 AM

WhyteRaven74: Sununu, indefensible and built to stay that way

/children of the 80s will get the reference


(He's lying.)
 
2012-10-26 04:01:33 AM

pissedoffmick: It is kinda cute that you assume I am white.


Point to one thing I said where I made that assumption. You could *maybe* make the argument that I trended there in my third paragraph, but I tried to make it pretty clear that I was using "You" in the general sense there.

 Also, although I do make a conscious effort not to make that assumption when I talk about this stuff: you identified yourself as an Irish Cathollc and indicated that your family aligned racially with JFK, so... that would be a pretty decent reason to assume you were white- if that assumption was even relavent to anything I just said.
 
2012-10-26 04:06:42 AM
Look, this isn't new. They said the same things when Powell endorsed Obama in '08. I suppose the difference this time around is that someone directly connected to the campaign said it, instead of just the usual talking heads. But it's the same recycled crap.

And if you think this will have any impact whatsoever you're sadly mistaken. It won't be a blip in the campaigns, it'll have no impact in the polls, and there will be absolutely no repercussions for Sununu. He did his job, he got the nasty bit of messaging out there so Romney could keep his hands clean. If Romney wins, Sununu has a Cabinet position waiting for him.
 
2012-10-26 04:08:53 AM

intelligent comment below: pissedoffmick: might have offer some perspective


They sure do, perspective about their lives only. What next, you're going to quote Bill Cosby? You sound concerned for the plight of the black man. Only an educated research professional can make such blanket claims about an entire group of people. That's why you don't listen to celebrities unless they are only speaking about themselves. It's the only thing they know well.


Wow. I presented an opinion that was most prominently promoted by a popular american celebrity. That if race were talked about less and people were simply judged on their individual merits our country might be better off. I apologize. How that concept ended up with me being the dick I have no earthy idea. I can only say that in my life, considering people solely on their merits has been and continues to be wonderful.
 
2012-10-26 04:13:28 AM

pissedoffmick: How that concept ended up with me being the dick I have no earthy idea.



For what it's worth, I didn't think what you said was actively bad or malicious, I just thought that it showed that you probably haven't studied this stuff with any real depth- which is the case with most people, so I didn't view it as a negative character trait.

The "Oh, aren't you cute" line irked me a bit though.
 
2012-10-26 04:25:21 AM

intelligent comment below: pissedoffmick: Wow. I presented an opinion that was most prominently promoted by a popular american celebrity


And that totally makes it correct. My bad. Screw science, a CELEBRITY SAID IT

It must be true

pissedoffmick: I can only say that in my life, considering people solely on their merits has been and continues to be wonderful.


I bet you grew up in Comton. So you know all about the struggles of being black


Never claimed "truth" on anything asshole. Just offered an opinion. How about you make a counter point or STFU? Also, nobody grew up Comton you dunce.
 
2012-10-26 04:41:55 AM
I guess this probably isn't the best opportunity for an explanation of systemic misogyny, huh.

Ah well. Next time.
 
2012-10-26 04:50:01 AM

Genevieve Marie: I guess this probably isn't the best opportunity for an explanation of systemic misogyny, huh.

Ah well. Next time.


Hey hey - I typed "wonderful condescending person whos opinion I value" The filters do what they do.

1. to behave as if one is conscious of descending from a superior position, rank, or dignity.
 
2012-10-26 04:53:36 AM
It's cute when people think problems as vast and as ingrained into our society, like racism, will magically go away if we just don't talk about them.
 
2012-10-26 04:53:38 AM
Dude, I don't know what to tell you. Generally, if I take several minutes to work on a post and I bother to add citations and reading suggestions, it's because I'm genuinely trying to have a discussion on the topic at hand. You chose to interpret it differently, as is your right, but that's not on me.
 
2012-10-26 05:00:41 AM
I honestly didn't think that anyone would go to such overt racism instead of the normal dog whistling. At this point it wouldn't surprise me if some staffer accidentally drops an n-bomb before election day.

Seriously, when your campaign even sucks at racial dog whistles, something that the GOP has been perfecting for decades, you're terrible at your job.
 
2012-10-26 05:02:45 AM

log_jammin: It's cute when people think problems as vast and as ingrained into our society, like racism, will magically go away if we just don't talk about them.


OK - your solution is?
 
2012-10-26 05:06:10 AM

ShawnDoc: propasaurus: pissedoffmick: ...more unnecessary insults...

Yeah, that's enough outta you.

Did you expect anything less from a drunk Irishman?


www.barstoolu.com
 
2012-10-26 05:06:12 AM

pissedoffmick: OK - your solution is?


pretty much anything beyond "ignore it" is a step in the right direction. dare I say that "blabbing away about equality" might just be the best step in the right direction.
 
2012-10-26 05:08:28 AM

log_jammin: pissedoffmick: OK - your solution is?

pretty much anything beyond "ignore it" is a step in the right direction. dare I say that "blabbing away about equality" might just be the best step in the right direction.


ok. I am game. How do we begin to implement this?
 
2012-10-26 05:12:03 AM

pissedoffmick: ok. I am game. How do we begin to implement this?



easy. you open your mouth and express your ideas and opinions in a calm and respectful tone, and the second party does the same thing. eventually the two people talking may find they have many more similarities than differences. After seeing you call one of the women here a "coont" I'm not exactly shocked that you're unfamiliar with this process.
 
2012-10-26 05:18:35 AM

log_jammin: pissedoffmick: ok. I am game. How do we begin to implement this?


easy. you open your mouth and express your ideas and opinions in a calm and respectful tone, and the second party does the same thing. eventually the two people talking may find they have many more similarities than differences. After seeing you call one of the women here a "coont" I'm not exactly shocked that you're unfamiliar with this process.


Yeah, you clearly didn't read the while thread. No matter. This is wonderful - you go first: solve race relations in the us by, doing all that shiat you just said. I will wait here.
 
2012-10-26 05:21:35 AM
Yes I read the while thread. I never said I could solve race relations. I said Ignoring it won't make it go away.
 
2012-10-26 05:22:28 AM

pissedoffmick: Yeah, you clearly didn't read the while thread. No matter. This is wonderful - you go first: solve race relations in the us by, doing all that shiat you just said. I will wait here.


pissedoffmick's profile: Location: Either Florida or Cuba - it's hard to tell

You know, you're not as subtle as you think you are.
 
2012-10-26 05:22:34 AM

log_jammin: I honestly thought John Sununu was dead.


I did, too, until he popped up earlier this year as Romney's attack dog.

/It still kinda baffles me.
 
2012-10-26 05:24:19 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: pissedoffmick: Yeah, you clearly didn't read the while thread. No matter. This is wonderful - you go first: solve race relations in the us by, doing all that shiat you just said. I will wait here.

pissedoffmick's profile: Location: Either Florida or Cuba - it's hard to tell

You know, you're not as subtle as you think you are.


nice
 
2012-10-26 05:25:12 AM

log_jammin: Yes I read the while thread. I never said I could solve race relations. I said Ignoring it won't make it go away.


Which is pretty much the conscise version of my Tolstoy up there.

Ah well.
 
2012-10-26 05:26:05 AM

Dwight_Yeast: log_jammin: I honestly thought John Sununu was dead.

I did, too, until he popped up earlier this year as Romney's attack dog.

/It still kinda baffles me.


I think it' because the last time I heard his name was dana carvey saying it during a sketch on SNL the week before Clinton was elected.
 
2012-10-26 05:26:25 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: pissedoffmick: Yeah, you clearly didn't read the while thread. No matter. This is wonderful - you go first: solve race relations in the us by, doing all that shiat you just said. I will wait here.

pissedoffmick's profile: Location: Either Florida or Cuba - it's hard to tell

You know, you're not as subtle as you think you are.


I gave you a funny. I have never been accused of trying to be subtle.
 
2012-10-26 05:30:36 AM

log_jammin: Yes I read the while thread. I never said I could solve race relations. I said Ignoring it won't make it go away.


But you did say "pretty much anything" would be helpful. So... name some "helpful" stuff.
 
2012-10-26 05:33:31 AM

pissedoffmick: But you did say "pretty much anything" would be helpful. So... name some "helpful" stuff.


actually I think I'm going to test your theory out by ignoring you and seeing if that makes you go away.
 
2012-10-26 05:34:31 AM
well that's blindingly obvious, but it will nonetheless be interpreted as racist on the part of mr. sununu to point that out...
 
2012-10-26 05:34:48 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: pissedoffmick: Yeah, you clearly didn't read the while thread. No matter. This is wonderful - you go first: solve race relations in the us by, doing all that shiat you just said. I will wait here.

pissedoffmick's profile: Location: Either Florida or Cuba - it's hard to tell

You know, you're not as subtle as you think you are.


Yeah, if the whole "account created in 2002, but never seen a single post from him before" thing wasn't a giveaway, that would have finished the job.
 
2012-10-26 05:35:01 AM

pissedoffmick: log_jammin: Yes I read the while thread. I never said I could solve race relations. I said Ignoring it won't make it go away.

But you did say "pretty much anything" would be helpful. So... name some "helpful" stuff.


Well... there's studying and reading about racial discrimination and economic disparity and bringing that knowledge into the political conversation. There's soeaking about and writing about it in order to make sure that this viewpoint isn't ignoredi n American politics.


 
 
2012-10-26 05:44:22 AM

log_jammin: pissedoffmick: But you did say "pretty much anything" would be helpful. So... name some "helpful" stuff.

actually I think I'm going to test your theory out by ignoring you and seeing if that makes you go away.


fair enough - I am obnoxious. I hope your plan to do "pretty much anything" catches on and ends racism. I can't see any flaws in that idea.
 
2012-10-26 05:46:49 AM

Last Man on Earth: Fluorescent Testicle: pissedoffmick: Yeah, you clearly didn't read the while thread. No matter. This is wonderful - you go first: solve race relations in the us by, doing all that shiat you just said. I will wait here.

pissedoffmick's profile: Location: Either Florida or Cuba - it's hard to tell

You know, you're not as subtle as you think you are.

Yeah, if the whole "account created in 2002, but never seen a single post from him before" thing wasn't a giveaway, that would have finished the job.


Dude: don't insult the account number. -FB was my father.
 
2012-10-26 05:47:05 AM
It didn't work :-(
 
2012-10-26 05:47:52 AM

skinnycatullus: And I applaud Mr. Sununu for standing with fellow white man, Mitt Romney.

That's seriously in the running for most offensive thing said in this campaign.


Yeah, cause its totally far fetched, with 97 percent of African Americans supporting the president. its so obvioulsy RACIST of a white man to point it out. I get it.
 
2012-10-26 05:49:29 AM

log_jammin: It didn't work :-(


shiat. New plan?
 
2012-10-26 06:00:02 AM

I sound fat: skinnycatullus: And I applaud Mr. Sununu for standing with fellow white man, Mitt Romney.

That's seriously in the running for most offensive thing said in this campaign.

Yeah, cause its totally far fetched, with 97 percent of African Americans supporting the president. its so obvioulsy RACIST of a white man to point it out. I get it.


"We know that all black people feel the same way on Obama, and all of them only think that way because he's black. There's no chance that some black people might back Obama for different reasons. Therefore, when this highly-regarded black man expresses support for Obama, we know that the only reason is because of his blackness, rather than any actual reasoning." Yes, it turns out that making a broad assumption about the beliefs and behaviors of an entire class of people, then attributing that assumption to every individual in that group is the very definition of prejudice. Prejudice toward a particular racial group is called racism. Shocking, I know, but true.
 
2012-10-26 06:01:17 AM
Oh damn that's gonna hurt. Even the liberal media might report this one.
 
2012-10-26 06:04:30 AM

Blue_Blazer: powhound: Blue_Blazer: powhound: I'm still pissed that Bush threw Powell under the bus.

/pissed

If you listen to my Fox News lovin' dad, Powell threw W under the bus by lying about the information, and then making Bush and the whole country look bad for getting us into a war of choice.

Powell is now just another casualty in the Republican War on Truth.

Which is a damn shame. But I feel for ya. My mother is in the same boat. Regarding "anybody but N0bama" anyways. I'm sure it's pretty much one and the same. They all hate the blahhhh.

I just let him enjoy what I hope is his last chance to bask in the former glory days of the Old Grandpa Party. He knows Obama is gonna win, since all the blacks will be bused in to vote for Obama.


My old grandpa helped start a union and remembers the house women used to go to for coat hanger abortions and remembers his wife joking that they "finally figured out what was causing it" when birth control became an option and they were able to stop having kids they couldn't quite afford.

I hope the country gets a little less depressing for him.
 
2012-10-26 06:06:34 AM

Last Man on Earth: I sound fat: skinnycatullus: And I applaud Mr. Sununu for standing with fellow white man, Mitt Romney.

That's seriously in the running for most offensive thing said in this campaign.

Yeah, cause its totally far fetched, with 97 percent of African Americans supporting the president. its so obvioulsy RACIST of a white man to point it out. I get it.

"We know that all black people feel the same way on Obama, and all of them only think that way because he's black. There's no chance that some black people might back Obama for different reasons. Therefore, when this highly-regarded black man expresses support for Obama, we know that the only reason is because of his blackness, rather than any actual reasoning." Yes, it turns out that making a broad assumption about the beliefs and behaviors of an entire class of people, then attributing that assumption to every individual in that group is the very definition of prejudice. Prejudice toward a particular racial group is called racism. Shocking, I know, but true.


um... you can't say "black" anymore. You said it 5 times. You can't say black. Also the R word is now off-limits.
 
2012-10-26 06:12:46 AM
Hey look. Ignoring the problem has made it invisible.
 
2012-10-26 06:12:50 AM
I'd like to take this time to point out that the Romney campaign, which promises to lower the deficit, has hired John Sununu, a man who got drummed out of politics in the 80s after charging hundred thousand dollar ski vacations to taxpayers, as their spokesperson. The GOP has a terribly short memory, and it disappoints me greatly that no one in the "liberal" media calls them out for that.
 
2012-10-26 06:29:28 AM
Without even reading the article, I know what Sununu said.

Guess that makes ME the racist. . . .
 
2012-10-26 06:32:05 AM
John Sununu is a farking asshole. That is all you need to know about him.
 
2012-10-26 06:36:05 AM
Obvious tag busy, trollmitter? Powell made it clear in 08 that Obama got his vote because of his skin. This election is no different because Powell is no different than the other 97% of blacks who will vote for Obama based on skin color.
 
2012-10-26 06:45:05 AM

shotglasss: Obvious tag busy, trollmitter? Powell made it clear in 08 that Obama got his vote because of his skin. This election is no different because Powell is no different than the other 97% of blacks who will vote for Obama based on skin color.


Which is also why they line up to support Alan West.
 
2012-10-26 06:46:11 AM

Genevieve Marie: This is a really good example of what racism looks like though. There are people that would prefer not to acknowledge racism unless it involves burning crosses and KKK members, and who are happy to gloss over far more common examples of racism.
 
John Sununu seems to think that while black people vote based on race, white people do not, and the fact that he is a white man endorsing a white man isn't worth noting, but a black man endorsing a black man can't be based on logic and has to be based on racial identity. And in doing that, he completely and totally dismissed Colin Powell's very thoughtful and reasoned endorsement.

The Republican party was more than happy to point to Colin Powell as an example of a black person that they like for a long time- but the second he stepped out of line, it no longer matters that he's a retired four star general, former chairman of the joint chiefs, and a former secretary of state. He immediately becomes just another black guy, and they're happy to imply that he's a bit simple and that he's not capable of thinking things through like they are.

It's really, really gross. It also seems to be totally invisible to a lot of people.


This.
 
2012-10-26 06:50:46 AM

Bontesla: Genevieve Marie: This is a really good example of what racism looks like though. There are people that would prefer not to acknowledge racism unless it involves burning crosses and KKK members, and who are happy to gloss over far more common examples of racism.
 
John Sununu seems to think that while black people vote based on race, white people do not, and the fact that he is a white man endorsing a white man isn't worth noting, but a black man endorsing a black man can't be based on logic and has to be based on racial identity. And in doing that, he completely and totally dismissed Colin Powell's very thoughtful and reasoned endorsement.

The Republican party was more than happy to point to Colin Powell as an example of a black person that they like for a long time- but the second he stepped out of line, it no longer matters that he's a retired four star general, former chairman of the joint chiefs, and a former secretary of state. He immediately becomes just another black guy, and they're happy to imply that he's a bit simple and that he's not capable of thinking things through like they are.

It's really, really gross. It also seems to be totally invisible to a lot of people.

This.


The Republicans assume that since they vote against Obama because of his race, those who vote for him do so for the same reason.
 
2012-10-26 06:51:44 AM
Does anyone remember Sununu ever NOT being an asshole? Because I sure don't.
Not news.
 
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