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(RealClearPolitics)   Their senate candidates are losing, a big chunk of their 2010 class of representatives are on track to be drummed from office and their presidential candidate has abandoned them in his etch-a-sketch to the center: the Tea Party is dead   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 33
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2012-10-25 09:27:55 PM  
4 votes:
There was never a Tea party, obvious republican rebranding is obvious. The didn't even form a new party
2012-10-25 09:30:00 PM  
3 votes:
When did I ever have an option to pull the level for the Tea Party? I missed that one, somehow.
2012-10-26 06:42:23 AM  
2 votes:

weltallica: Almost as dead as the Occupy movement.


There are no degrees of "dead". The Teaparty was an attempt to revive the corpse of late 50's, early sxties John Bircher right wing fanaticism.
It failed.
OWS was an attempt to revive the corpse of late-sixties leftist activism. It has also failed.
Time to move on from zombie politics.
2012-10-26 05:10:13 AM  
2 votes:

dameron: That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.


The only way the GOP can appeal to urban dwellers (which in this country basically means poor blacks and Hispanics and educated middle- and upper-middle class whites) is to become much more moderate than they are, stop attacking social safety net programs, embrace Obamacare (AKA the 1994 Republican healthcare plan) and become pro- rather than anti-education.

I don't see any of that happening any time soon.
2012-10-25 10:28:12 PM  
2 votes:

dameron: That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.


And you know what happened the last time the South thought they were no longer going to be able to get their way in Washington...
2012-10-25 10:10:14 PM  
2 votes:

keiverarrow: There was never a Tea party, obvious republican rebranding is obvious. The didn't even form a new party


Nadie_AZ: When did I ever have an option to pull the level for the Tea Party? I missed that one, somehow.


Precisely. The "Tea Party" is simply the lunatic... well, I'm not sure we can call it a "fringe" any more, seeing as how so many Republicans seem to be a part of it. But they are definitely not their own party, even if they do have their own Congressional caucus.
2012-10-26 06:00:52 PM  
1 votes:

WorldCitizen: dameron: That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.

And you know what happened the last time the South thought they were no longer going to be able to get their way in Washington...


That's the strangest part. Most Republicans and a sizable minority of Democrats during the Civil War were aghast at the idea of secession. Now all secessionists and seditionists are stated members of the GOP.

The party that claims President Lincoln amongst its lineage now opposes everything President Lincoln sought to sustain. The GOP may once have been a legitimate part of the political process of our country. Today it is a cancer and its leadership marches in lock-step with Jefferson Davis. Their only goal is the total destruction of the United States of America - the precise goal of its enemies during the Civil War. How could you turn your backs on us? How could you hate us? God Damn the Republican Party. God literally Damn it. You are worse than tratiors.
2012-10-26 02:13:35 PM  
1 votes:

WorldCitizen: dameron: That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.

And you know what happened the last time the South thought they were no longer going to be able to get their way in Washington...


Yes, and this time we let them leave. Good farking riddance.
2012-10-26 01:46:39 PM  
1 votes:

Evil Twin Skippy: WorldCitizen: dameron: That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.

And you know what happened the last time the South thought they were no longer going to be able to get their way in Washington...

They got their asses handed to them in a war, all of their politicians were forbade from holding office, and their economy was thrown into the shiatter for decades after.


This. Except this time I say we let them go. The rest of the US can move on to be a 21st Century first rate, First World nation while the South goes back into their cave.
2012-10-26 10:14:23 AM  
1 votes:
I said it so many times in 2010 that it became tiresome, and I was asked to stop. I'll reprise it here, for old time's sake...

"A year and a half from now, not one person in 20 will ever admit to having once been in the so-called Tea Party."

Some of you really should start taking notes.
2012-10-26 09:29:37 AM  
1 votes:

indylaw: I think there are a lot of women who like the pro-business, small-tax policies of the Republicans, and they essentially hedge their bets that talk about abortions and contraception is just empty talk to win the social conservatives over. If they get the sense that a Republican candidate is not a fanatic, they'll vote for him. If they get the sense that he's actually going to push the social conservative agenda, they get uncomfortable and consider the alternative.


Maybe up north, but down here south of the Manson-Nixon line, not so much. Just as old men are fine with sending young men off to war. old women decied they don't have a problem regulating those with working ovaries.

In general, few have any problem with restricting someone else's rights. Defend traditional marriage by restricting the rights of gays? Booyah! Defend traditional marriage by eliminating divorce, or limiting people to one marriage and after that they only get civil unions? Crickets.
2012-10-26 09:09:30 AM  
1 votes:

MurphyMurphy: brianbankerus: dameron: It'll be very tempting for them to court the tea party as the demographics slide against them but that will only doom them, so I figure 2016 is a lost cause as they go bloody to the wall. Maybe they pick Rubio and it forestalls that a bit as they snipe a good percentage of the hispanic vote, but to be sure, the rich douchebag faction of the party is going to have to find more voters and soon.

Or maybe they steal this election. They're sure trying their assess off.

Many pundits are of the opinion that this will be the last presidential election the Republicans will have before they have to face abandoning or changing some long held core tenets

They lose this one and they lost their last chance to really solidify long-term footing on many parts of their agenda.
Just look at what they get if they win:
-good chance of house and senate (which they will capitalize on before they can type the headlines)
-good chance of at least one SC justice
-ride the wave of a (hopefully) inevitable economic recovery, convincing many that the supply side lie is the one and true way to go
-something something middle east

It could be real interesting what happens to the (R) if they lose this... or me and many are wrong and nothing much changes. If the moderates have had enough and take the helm the party has the possibility of becoming something useful and worth voting for (as hard as that might be to believe).

My guess is if they lose, the first thing you see a complete about face on will be immigration reform.
It has a real good chance of becoming 'see who can open the flood gates to new voters' reform. Especially with Texas already having popped the 'zero tolerance' cherry that Arizona and so many others are still clinging to.


I honestly think there's going to be an ideological split in the Republican party in the next few years, because a number of the younger, more reasonable Republican insiders have looked at the demographic trends and they know that the current model is unsustainable. But I seriously doubt that the hard-liners and the old guard are going to be willing enough to abandon conservative principles on several social issues and immigration. And remember, the Republican party has developed a history of putting their weight behind - and then nominating - the candidate who was a runner-up in the previous primary.

In 1976, Ford's runner up was Reagan, who was nominated in 1980,
over G.H.W. Bush, who became the vice-president and the presumptive nominee in 1988, although...
Bob Dole put up a challenge in 1988, but Bush ultimately won out.

Fast forward to 1996, and Dole wins ahead of Pat Buchanan. But everyone realized Buchanan was too extremist for a general election. So in 2000, it came down to W and McCain. Bush Jr. becomes president, leaving McCain to wait for 2008. And remember how dead in the water McCain was in 2007? It was supposed to be a four-way race with Romney, Huckabee, Guiliani, and Fred Thompson with McCain barely clinging to his campaign. But McCain had a very well-established name in New Hampshire and managed to beat the former Massachusetts governor in his backyard. So Romney ended up coming in second, and then in 2012 the big money lined up behind him early.

But this poses an interesting crossroads for the Republican party in 2016, as we've discussed. According to the formula, Santorum would be the presumptive front-runner, because he came in second and had the most success and experience of all the candidates.

But, will the party see Santorum as the second coming of Pat Buchanan and move away from his ideological stances?
2012-10-26 08:45:39 AM  
1 votes:

jso2897: weltallica: Almost as dead as the Occupy movement.

There are no degrees of "dead". The Teaparty was an attempt to revive the corpse of late 50's, early sxties John Bircher right wing fanaticism.
It failed.
OWS was an attempt to revive the corpse of late-sixties leftist activism. It has also failed.
Time to move on from zombie politics.


Yeah, OWS is dead, 'cause you never hear anybody talk about the 99% or the top 2% any more. Oh, wait.

Look at the polling numbers for raising taxed on the rich. OWS didn't fail, it won, the idead are now a huge presence in political discourse.
2012-10-26 08:40:30 AM  
1 votes:

Zerochance: Muta: Zerochance: It's undeniable that Romney is making some inexplicable gains in the polls, particularly with women.

The Mourdock rape talk will stop that trend.

Doubt it. I think it may have a very slight effect, but is it going to seriously hurt Romney? No. I think a lot of Republican female voters can justify the weapons-grade douchiness of Mourdock's statements by making this entirely about abortion while ignoring the intrinsic misogyny of saying that God intends for women to get raped.


Republican women are a smaller voting bloc than women in the middle. That's what the Republican slobs have to be careful about. A Republican woman will hold her nose and vote for some vagina-controlling throwback, but a female voter who is on the fence could be swayed by this kind of stuff.
2012-10-26 08:29:32 AM  
1 votes:
It's been fun to watch the people that only a year ago were spouting tea party idiocy and conspiracy theories fall right in line with their milquetoast moderate Mormon as if they never biatched about the RINO wing.

Guess the only thing that hasn't changed is that there's a black guy in the White House. They were racists the whole time. Go figure.
2012-10-26 08:25:34 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-10-26 08:22:11 AM  
1 votes:
Let's wait until the votes are counted until we gleefully throw dirt on the shallow grave.
2012-10-26 08:17:46 AM  
1 votes:

dameron: So barring some unforeseen event Obama looks good for reelection.


Like an enormous storm that prevents people from going to the polls?
2012-10-26 08:04:24 AM  
1 votes:
I'll believe that the Teabagger movement is finally gone when I can piss on the smouldering skeleton of Steve King after the "necklace party" he so richly deserves.
2012-10-26 08:03:05 AM  
1 votes:

dameron: South 39 61 R+22


You gotta love how America's poorest region carries water for the very people who will piss on them when elected. It just baffles me. The GOP has managed to isolate fear and jingoism from common sense, and it's working.
2012-10-26 07:58:47 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Looks like I picked the wrong week to invest heavily in cardboard, Sharpie and Chinese-made Gadsden flag future.


Pardon the threadjack, but the Gadseden flag thing is one of the things that pisses me off the most about the tea party. It used to be a nice "real" patriotic piece of Americana. Then those asshats adopted it. I wish I could put the Don't Tread on Me Navy jack sticker on the back of my car, but I don't want the association with the TP fools. On the bright side, I know what I'm dealing with when I see it flying in someone's yard or on the back of their truck.

/someone else used yellow symbols to easily ID groups of people.
//I feel dirty but, giggly for that.
2012-10-26 07:57:35 AM  
1 votes:
The Tea Party has served their purpose.
The Democrat party of today is the Republican party of 1996.
2012-10-26 06:49:07 AM  
1 votes:

dameron: 538's nowcast is at almost 76% and there's no scheduled events on the calendar like debates, conventions etc. that might change things up. So barring some unforeseen event Obama looks good for reelection. I think the Republicans have to nominate Rubio in 2016 but they'll be going against Clinton and I expect her to be nigh unstoppable as this is close to her last change.


...if ever there was a year for a third party candidate, 2016 is that year.
2012-10-26 06:32:09 AM  
1 votes:

Happy Hours: Nope - Rubio is not a natural born citizen according to Tea Partiers. Yes, he was born in Miami but his parents weren't citizens at the time of his birth. In Tea Party land, this means he's not a natural born citizen.


10 years ago a lot of those same people would have supported a Constitutional Amendment to allow
Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for President.
2012-10-26 06:16:05 AM  
1 votes:
I think we are due for another cycle of stupidity from the right. They are not quite done yet. While this election very well may be the death of the GOP, there is still enough support of stupid see/hear/speak no evil monkey thinking from the electorate to support the perverted thoughts of the right. Of course, it does not help with the MSM spending its days massaging the numbers back and forth so keep the narrative alive and supporting the suppression of clear thought to bolster viewership and increase their revenue.

The entire system is so totally broken that while one can say the GOP is fast approaching the death rattle, at the same time there are enough back end support to keep the current stupidity alive for another few years. Should there be an actual grand shift away from the GOP in 11 days, I am sure there will be a visible push coming from all corners to keep the political conflict alive until 2014 midterms. Between now and then, new strategies will be devised to keep the GOP alive enough to continue the myopic political view that most of the country holds.

The vast majority of the American electorate (whatever the leaning is) are sheeples. Most are too caught up with their own self-created personal moral agendas to give up their obsession with hatred in some form or another. Like an alcoholic who goes on the wagon, if there is a decided shift away from the GOP with this election, one can certainly expect there to be a relapse. Or more likely, there may be the beginning of a shift, at the same time the conservative element of this country will be sneaking nips from the GOP bottle hidden in the closet for a long time.

Just because Obama may win does not mean this crap is over. Far from it. It is just going to morph into another blob of puss for a while at least.
2012-10-26 06:15:51 AM  
1 votes:
people forget but the whole tea party thing was born out of the Ron Paul "Revolution", it was very small in numbers initially and basically libertarian (lots of fat bikers)

then it started attracting disaffected republicans, and that's when everything fell apart as republicans starting drowning out everybody else simply because of volume - followed by the likes of glenn beck, and before you know it the tea party had quickly morphed into a tool for the GOP to rally the base

it was partially responsible for the republicans taking some seats in 2010, but its disconnectedness and sociopathic insane leaders like glenn beck and sarah palin quickly killed itself off right after the 2010 election, for all intents and purposes the GOP was happy it was dead (and so was everybody else)

that's sort of how things go nowadays, now you've got the 99% vs. 1% or the 47% or whatever spawned out of the occupy movement, if Obama is re-elected i doubt we'll hear any of that rhetoric again, and the whole process of viral politics will begin again with something else in 2014 and 2016
2012-10-26 05:35:31 AM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: And in 2009 liberals here and elsewhere swore up one side and down the other that the Republican party was a thing of the past.

They've been trying to explain away 2010 ever since


If they would have gone out and voted in 2010, it very well may have been.

But ~hubris~ and idiots that don't realize we have midterm elections.

And then we got 2 years of (R) playing CockBlock-The-Nation which allowed them to even have a chance at winning this one. Between the state officials, governorships and the House they gained a huge amount of power to affect this election in 2010.

And it's happens plenty in history, this isn't the first time a midterm election has changed the game. 1994 defined the political landscape until Dubya. Just look at 2006. (Except in 2006 there it wasn't a Dem. wave riding some faux new astroturfed "party", it was an assload of moderates with Bush fatigue.)

I'm not sure there is any explaining it away. I don't think we Dems could have dropped the ball any harder.
2012-10-26 04:42:50 AM  
1 votes:
Wishful thinking, libtards! You think Paul Ryan doesn't have the balls to teabag all of y'all? November's gonna leave a nasty taste in your mouth!
2012-10-26 04:42:38 AM  
1 votes:
It's not the Presidential election we need to worry about. It's the 2014 midterms. Depending on how Congress swings, and which Supreme Court justices decide to die or retire, those could get brutal.
2012-10-26 04:39:03 AM  
1 votes:
Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...

Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.

Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.
2012-10-25 10:46:24 PM  
1 votes:

dameron: So barring some unforeseen event Obama looks good for reelection.


I know, I know... I'm just still sweating it. I just really need this election to be over. And I'll be ass-deep in the headlines all day for work too, so I'm not looking forward to it.
2012-10-25 10:22:01 PM  
1 votes:

brianbankerus: Or maybe they steal this election. They're sure trying their assess off.


538's nowcast is at almost 76% and there's no scheduled events on the calendar like debates, conventions etc. that might change things up. So barring some unforeseen event Obama looks good for reelection. I think the Republicans have to nominate Rubio in 2016 but they'll be going against Clinton and I expect her to be nigh unstoppable as this is close to her last change.

It's funny, the idea that the Republican Party is becoming a regional party was established in 2006 and 2008 but then 2010 happened so some might see that as a Republican resurgence but to me this election only reinforces that sentiment.

Obama Romney Margin (Gallup)

East 52 48 O+4

Midwest 52 48 O+4

South 39 61 R+22

West 53 47 O+6

That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.
2012-10-25 10:08:13 PM  
1 votes:

dameron: It'll be very tempting for them to court the tea party as the demographics slide against them but that will only doom them, so I figure 2016 is a lost cause as they go bloody to the wall. Maybe they pick Rubio and it forestalls that a bit as they snipe a good percentage of the hispanic vote, but to be sure, the rich douchebag faction of the party is going to have to find more voters and soon.


Or maybe they steal this election. They're sure trying their assess off.
 
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