MisterRonbo: jso2897: weltallica: Almost as dead as the Occupy movement.There are no degrees of "dead". The Teaparty was an attempt to revive the corpse of late 50's, early sxties John Bircher right wing fanaticism.It failed.OWS was an attempt to revive the corpse of late-sixties leftist activism. It has also failed.Time to move on from zombie politics.Yeah, OWS is dead, 'cause you never hear anybody talk about the 99% or the top 2% any more. Oh, wait.Look at the polling numbers for raising taxed on the rich. OWS didn't fail, it won, the idead are now a huge presence in political discourse.
Rev. Skarekroe: jakomo002: Seriously, Americans need to really try hard to introduce MORE POLITICAL PARTIES.We introduce political parties all the time. The trick is getting them on the ballot and making the press pay attention to them.
MisterRonbo: Taxes. Ideas.
indylaw: Zerochance: Muta: Zerochance: It's undeniable that Romney is making some inexplicable gains in the polls, particularly with women.The Mourdock rape talk will stop that trend.Doubt it. I think it may have a very slight effect, but is it going to seriously hurt Romney? No. I think a lot of Republican female voters can justify the weapons-grade douchiness of Mourdock's statements by making this entirely about abortion while ignoring the intrinsic misogyny of saying that God intends for women to get raped.Republican women are a smaller voting bloc than women in the middle. That's what the Republican slobs have to be careful about. A Republican woman will hold her nose and vote for some vagina-controlling throwback, but a female voter who is on the fence could be swayed by this kind of stuff.
Guntram Shatterhand: Considering the Republican Party is catering heavily to their dying, bigoted base, excuse my lack of belief that they can reach out to other voters without showing their classic contempt and bigotry. They've already alienated the young white base with their constant assholery, what makes you think these idiots can pander to anybody who isn't lily white and born into a rich family?The Republicans wrote a check their ass can't cash, and now they think they can win back hearts. They can keep believing in that myth if it stops them from going even further into Al Qaeda-land.
MurphyMurphy: brianbankerus: dameron: It'll be very tempting for them to court the tea party as the demographics slide against them but that will only doom them, so I figure 2016 is a lost cause as they go bloody to the wall. Maybe they pick Rubio and it forestalls that a bit as they snipe a good percentage of the hispanic vote, but to be sure, the rich douchebag faction of the party is going to have to find more voters and soon.Or maybe they steal this election. They're sure trying their assess off.Many pundits are of the opinion that this will be the last presidential election the Republicans will have before they have to face abandoning or changing some long held core tenetsThey lose this one and they lost their last chance to really solidify long-term footing on many parts of their agenda.Just look at what they get if they win:-good chance of house and senate (which they will capitalize on before they can type the headlines)-good chance of at least one SC justice-ride the wave of a (hopefully) inevitable economic recovery, convincing many that the supply side lie is the one and true way to go-something something middle eastIt could be real interesting what happens to the (R) if they lose this... or me and many are wrong and nothing much changes. If the moderates have had enough and take the helm the party has the possibility of becoming something useful and worth voting for (as hard as that might be to believe).My guess is if they lose, the first thing you see a complete about face on will be immigration reform.It has a real good chance of becoming 'see who can open the flood gates to new voters' reform. Especially with Texas already having popped the 'zero tolerance' cherry that Arizona and so many others are still clinging to.
retarded: Are there any Vegas books are betting sites where one could actually place a bet on who winds the election?
DjangoStonereaver: Happy Hours: Nope - Rubio is not a natural born citizen according to Tea Partiers. Yes, he was born in Miami but his parents weren't citizens at the time of his birth. In Tea Party land, this means he's not a natural born citizen.10 years ago a lot of those same people would have supported a Constitutional Amendment to allowArnold Schwarzenegger to run for President.
Zerochance: I hope so, but I feel women whose vote could be swayed entirely on reproductive health are quite possibly already voting for Obama. My wife actually could be described as this kind of female voter.
randomjsa: And in 2009 liberals here and elsewhere swore up one side and down the other that the Republican party was a thing of the past.They've been trying to explain away 2010 ever since
indylaw: I think there are a lot of women who like the pro-business, small-tax policies of the Republicans, and they essentially hedge their bets that talk about abortions and contraception is just empty talk to win the social conservatives over. If they get the sense that a Republican candidate is not a fanatic, they'll vote for him. If they get the sense that he's actually going to push the social conservative agenda, they get uncomfortable and consider the alternative.
Guntram Shatterhand: Considering the Republican Party is catering heavily to their dying, bigoted base, excuse my lack of belief that they can reach out to other voters without showing their classic contempt and bigotry. They've already alienated the young white base with their constant assholery, what makes you think these idiots can pander to anybody who isn't lily white and born into a rich family?
indylaw: I don't think you understand. There's no shortage of political parties in the United States, but the system of voting is designed so that only two parties are relevant. There are changes to the electoral and political system that could be made to make 3rd parties viable, but the people in power from the two major parties have no interest in making those changes.
jakomo002: I read somewhere that the Commission that determines which candidates get to show up for the Presidential debates is basically a private enterprise, and they almost always ignore other candidates unless they poll at least 15% in the polls, which is ridiculous.
dameron: Happy Hours: Nope - Rubio is not a natural born citizen according to Tea Partiers. Yes, he was born in Miami but his parents weren't citizens at the time of his birth. In Tea Party land, this means he's not a natural born citizen.I mean the mainstream Republicans are going to have to nominate Rubio or someone to attract a broader base. I think they're really farked going forward nationally.
jso2897: geek_mars: jso2897: weltallica: Almost as dead as the Occupy movement.There are no degrees of "dead". The Teaparty was an attempt to revive the corpse of late 50's, early sxties John Bircher right wing fanaticism.It failed.OWS was an attempt to revive the corpse of late-sixties leftist activism. It has also failed.Time to move on from zombie politics.I couldn't disagree more. I think zombie politics are exactly what we need. Just imagine if every voter out there was in search of BRAAAAIIIIIIIIINNS. We might elect some worthwhile representatives.So, you're saying it's time for us to crack open each others skulls, and feast on the goo within?
Kangaroo_Ralph: Romney was hard right during the campaign for the endorsement, then ran to the middle to campaign for the election.You mean like every other candidate ever?
Overfiend: Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.
mrshowrules: The dumbest political movement in history.
keiverarrow: There was never a Tea party, obvious republican rebranding is obvious. The didn't even form a new party
UNC_Samurai: But, will the party see Santorum as the second coming of Pat Buchanan and move away from his ideological stances?
Serious Post on Serious Thread: mrshowrules: The dumbest political movement in history.There are contenders:Know Nothings
cretinbob: Overfiend: Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.Keep farking those chickens
The Jami Turman Fan Club: Here's hoping Michael Bloomberg runs in 2016 as an independent./it's not out of the question- he almost ran in 2008.
Deucednuisance: Overfiend: Mmm...chicken...[4.bp.blogspot.com image 405x305]That you, Gonzo?
dameron: brianbankerus: Or maybe they steal this election. They're sure trying their assess off.538's nowcast is at almost 76% and there's no scheduled events on the calendar like debates, conventions etc. that might change things up. So barring some unforeseen event Obama looks good for reelection. I think the Republicans have to nominate Rubio in 2016 but they'll be going against Clinton and I expect her to be nigh unstoppable as this is close to her last change.It's funny, the idea that the Republican Party is becoming a regional party was established in 2006 and 2008 but then 2010 happened so some might see that as a Republican resurgence but to me this election only reinforces that sentiment.Obama Romney Margin (Gallup)East 52 48 O+4Midwest 52 48 O+4South 39 61 R+22West 53 47 O+6That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.
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