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(RealClearPolitics)   Their senate candidates are losing, a big chunk of their 2010 class of representatives are on track to be drummed from office and their presidential candidate has abandoned them in his etch-a-sketch to the center: the Tea Party is dead   (realclearpolitics.com) divider line 165
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2012-10-25 09:27:55 PM
There was never a Tea party, obvious republican rebranding is obvious. The didn't even form a new party
 
2012-10-25 09:30:00 PM
When did I ever have an option to pull the level for the Tea Party? I missed that one, somehow.
 
2012-10-25 09:38:52 PM
They're on TV all the time talking about rape and otherwise pissing away competitive seats. They'll get marginalized and rightly so, but the demographic wave mean there's going to have to be a serious schism in the Republican party soon.

It'll be very tempting for them to court the tea party as the demographics slide against them but that will only doom them, so I figure 2016 is a lost cause as they go bloody to the wall. Maybe they pick Rubio and it forestalls that a bit as they snipe a good percentage of the hispanic vote, but to be sure, the rich douchebag faction of the party is going to have to find more voters and soon.
 
2012-10-25 10:07:56 PM
Cruz is going to win in Texas. But I guess we should consider sane parts of the Union
 
2012-10-25 10:08:13 PM

dameron: It'll be very tempting for them to court the tea party as the demographics slide against them but that will only doom them, so I figure 2016 is a lost cause as they go bloody to the wall. Maybe they pick Rubio and it forestalls that a bit as they snipe a good percentage of the hispanic vote, but to be sure, the rich douchebag faction of the party is going to have to find more voters and soon.


Or maybe they steal this election. They're sure trying their assess off.
 
2012-10-25 10:10:14 PM

keiverarrow: There was never a Tea party, obvious republican rebranding is obvious. The didn't even form a new party


Nadie_AZ: When did I ever have an option to pull the level for the Tea Party? I missed that one, somehow.


Precisely. The "Tea Party" is simply the lunatic... well, I'm not sure we can call it a "fringe" any more, seeing as how so many Republicans seem to be a part of it. But they are definitely not their own party, even if they do have their own Congressional caucus.
 
2012-10-25 10:22:01 PM

brianbankerus: Or maybe they steal this election. They're sure trying their assess off.


538's nowcast is at almost 76% and there's no scheduled events on the calendar like debates, conventions etc. that might change things up. So barring some unforeseen event Obama looks good for reelection. I think the Republicans have to nominate Rubio in 2016 but they'll be going against Clinton and I expect her to be nigh unstoppable as this is close to her last change.

It's funny, the idea that the Republican Party is becoming a regional party was established in 2006 and 2008 but then 2010 happened so some might see that as a Republican resurgence but to me this election only reinforces that sentiment.

Obama Romney Margin (Gallup)

East 52 48 O+4

Midwest 52 48 O+4

South 39 61 R+22

West 53 47 O+6

That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.
 
2012-10-25 10:28:12 PM

dameron: That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.


And you know what happened the last time the South thought they were no longer going to be able to get their way in Washington...
 
2012-10-25 10:32:56 PM

dameron: They're on TV all the time talking about rape and otherwise pissing away competitive seats. They'll get marginalized and rightly so, but the demographic wave mean there's going to have to be a serious schism in the Republican party soon.

It'll be very tempting for them to court the tea party as the demographics slide against them but that will only doom them, so I figure 2016 is a lost cause as they go bloody to the wall. Maybe they pick Rubio and it forestalls that a bit as they snipe a good percentage of the hispanic vote, but to be sure, the rich douchebag faction of the party is going to have to find more voters and soon.


Nope - Rubio is not a natural born citizen according to Tea Partiers. Yes, he was born in Miami but his parents weren't citizens at the time of his birth. In Tea Party land, this means he's not a natural born citizen.
 
2012-10-25 10:46:24 PM

dameron: So barring some unforeseen event Obama looks good for reelection.


I know, I know... I'm just still sweating it. I just really need this election to be over. And I'll be ass-deep in the headlines all day for work too, so I'm not looking forward to it.
 
2012-10-25 10:47:34 PM

Happy Hours: Nope - Rubio is not a natural born citizen according to Tea Partiers. Yes, he was born in Miami but his parents weren't citizens at the time of his birth. In Tea Party land, this means he's not a natural born citizen.


I mean the mainstream Republicans are going to have to nominate Rubio or someone to attract a broader base. I think they're really farked going forward nationally.
 
2012-10-25 11:08:44 PM

dameron:

I mean the mainstream Republicans are going to have to nominate Rubio or someone to attract a broader base. I think they're really farked going forward nationally.


Well, except all the money...
 
2012-10-25 11:16:47 PM
www.zerohedge.com
 
2012-10-26 04:39:03 AM
Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...

Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.

Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.
 
2012-10-26 04:40:23 AM
In a few weeks, we'll get to see how much of this 'big chunk' is going to fall to the Democrats. Surely this will put them way over the top in the Senate!
 
2012-10-26 04:42:38 AM
It's not the Presidential election we need to worry about. It's the 2014 midterms. Depending on how Congress swings, and which Supreme Court justices decide to die or retire, those could get brutal.
 
2012-10-26 04:42:50 AM
Wishful thinking, libtards! You think Paul Ryan doesn't have the balls to teabag all of y'all? November's gonna leave a nasty taste in your mouth!
 
2012-10-26 04:43:05 AM

Overfiend: Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...

Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.

Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.


I'll bet you ten thousand dollars that Obama wins. :)
 
2012-10-26 04:46:48 AM
Almost as dead as the Occupy movement.
 
2012-10-26 04:47:43 AM
They are not going without a fight.
They sent me a mailer with a DVD in it yesterday. The daughter had it loaded in the player and pushed play when I walked in from work. Then she laughed her ass off.
I live in a swing state so I am avoiding TV right now and when I do watch it is recorded so I can skip the commercials.

Not sure how I got on thier mailing list? Will the KKK magazine show up next?
 
2012-10-26 04:48:46 AM

WorldCitizen: dameron: That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.

And you know what happened the last time the South thought they were no longer going to be able to get their way in Washington...


You mean when LBJ kicked their ass in 1964?
 
2012-10-26 04:49:43 AM

brianbankerus: dameron: It'll be very tempting for them to court the tea party as the demographics slide against them but that will only doom them, so I figure 2016 is a lost cause as they go bloody to the wall. Maybe they pick Rubio and it forestalls that a bit as they snipe a good percentage of the hispanic vote, but to be sure, the rich douchebag faction of the party is going to have to find more voters and soon.

Or maybe they steal this election. They're sure trying their assess off.


Many pundits are of the opinion that this will be the last presidential election the Republicans will have before they have to face abandoning or changing some long held core tenets

They lose this one and they lost their last chance to really solidify long-term footing on many parts of their agenda.
Just look at what they get if they win:
-good chance of house and senate (which they will capitalize on before they can type the headlines)
-good chance of at least one SC justice
-ride the wave of a (hopefully) inevitable economic recovery, convincing many that the supply side lie is the one and true way to go
-something something middle east

It could be real interesting what happens to the (R) if they lose this... or me and many are wrong and nothing much changes. If the moderates have had enough and take the helm the party has the possibility of becoming something useful and worth voting for (as hard as that might be to believe).

My guess is if they lose, the first thing you see a complete about face on will be immigration reform.
It has a real good chance of becoming 'see who can open the flood gates to new voters' reform. Especially with Texas already having popped the 'zero tolerance' cherry that Arizona and so many others are still clinging to.
 
2012-10-26 04:50:28 AM

riverwalk barfly: Overfiend: Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...

Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.

Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.

I'll bet you ten thousand dollars that Obama wins. :)


You must be rich!! With that kind of cash why aren't you a Romney supporter? LOL!

\i don't know if Romney will win, but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be
\\either way, I don't think it will be the "end of America" like some radicals moan about
 
2012-10-26 04:51:33 AM
Useful Idiots
 
2012-10-26 04:56:31 AM

Overfiend: riverwalk barfly: Overfiend: Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...

Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.

Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.

I'll bet you ten thousand dollars that Obama wins. :)

You must be rich!! With that kind of cash why aren't you a Romney supporter? LOL!

\i don't know if Romney will win, but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be
\\either way, I don't think it will be the "end of America" like some radicals moan about


The only people that are saying it's not really going to be close right now are people that are using mathematics.

And bookies.

Not pundits. Pundits want people to believe that it is a "dead heat" as that tool Brian Williams said last night on promos for his show with Obama last night on NBC. Without a horse race, he has no show.
 
2012-10-26 04:57:58 AM

Overfiend: but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be


what pundits are you listening to?
 
2012-10-26 04:58:52 AM
No, the Klan is still alive.
 
2012-10-26 05:02:35 AM
And in 2009 liberals here and elsewhere swore up one side and down the other that the Republican party was a thing of the past.

They've been trying to explain away 2010 ever since
 
2012-10-26 05:03:40 AM

Overfiend: riverwalk barfly: Overfiend: Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...

Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.

Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.

I'll bet you ten thousand dollars that Obama wins. :)

You must be rich!! With that kind of cash why aren't you a Romney supporter? LOL!

\i don't know if Romney will win, but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be
\\either way, I don't think it will be the "end of America" like some radicals moan about


concur.
 
2012-10-26 05:04:52 AM

Overfiend: \i don't know if Romney will win, but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be


Well that's settled then. I'll bet your gut has more nerve endings than your brain.
 
2012-10-26 05:10:13 AM

dameron: That's the makings of a regional party. The Republicans need something to appeal to urban dwellers and they don't have it yet.


The only way the GOP can appeal to urban dwellers (which in this country basically means poor blacks and Hispanics and educated middle- and upper-middle class whites) is to become much more moderate than they are, stop attacking social safety net programs, embrace Obamacare (AKA the 1994 Republican healthcare plan) and become pro- rather than anti-education.

I don't see any of that happening any time soon.
 
2012-10-26 05:10:42 AM
Are there any Vegas books are betting sites where one could actually place a bet on who winds the election?
 
2012-10-26 05:13:37 AM

log_jammin: Overfiend: but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be

what pundits are you listening to?


Well the author of this article and both MSNBC and Fox (pumping their respective "sides"). Also heard talk radio saying that "polls really show" blah blah supporting why their side is winning.

I do realize that both candidates have been saying it will be close, but I think it helps their fund raising efforts if their base believes they must donate now in order to save the election.
 
2012-10-26 05:24:08 AM
*or
 
2012-10-26 05:29:21 AM

0Icky0: Overfiend: \i don't know if Romney will win, but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be

Well that's settled then. I'll bet your gut has more nerve endings than your brain.


Nice. Hope you feel better when you belittle others.
 
2012-10-26 05:30:08 AM

Overfiend: log_jammin: Overfiend: but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be

what pundits are you listening to?

Well the author of this article and both MSNBC and Fox (pumping their respective "sides"). Also heard talk radio saying that "polls really show" blah blah supporting why their side is winning.

I do realize that both candidates have been saying it will be close, but I think it helps their fund raising efforts if their base believes they must donate now in order to save the election.


The media wants a horse race, pundits always root for their team, and candidates want as much cash as possible.
 
2012-10-26 05:32:09 AM

log_jammin: Overfiend: log_jammin: Overfiend: but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be

what pundits are you listening to?

Well the author of this article and both MSNBC and Fox (pumping their respective "sides"). Also heard talk radio saying that "polls really show" blah blah supporting why their side is winning.

I do realize that both candidates have been saying it will be close, but I think it helps their fund raising efforts if their base believes they must donate now in order to save the election.

The media wants a horse race, pundits always root for their team, and candidates want as much cash as possible.


I completely agree.
 
2012-10-26 05:34:01 AM
Thanks for the laughs, teabaggers..

* scene fades as medicare Hoveround rides off into the sunset *
 
2012-10-26 05:35:31 AM

randomjsa: And in 2009 liberals here and elsewhere swore up one side and down the other that the Republican party was a thing of the past.

They've been trying to explain away 2010 ever since


If they would have gone out and voted in 2010, it very well may have been.

But ~hubris~ and idiots that don't realize we have midterm elections.

And then we got 2 years of (R) playing CockBlock-The-Nation which allowed them to even have a chance at winning this one. Between the state officials, governorships and the House they gained a huge amount of power to affect this election in 2010.

And it's happens plenty in history, this isn't the first time a midterm election has changed the game. 1994 defined the political landscape until Dubya. Just look at 2006. (Except in 2006 there it wasn't a Dem. wave riding some faux new astroturfed "party", it was an assload of moderates with Bush fatigue.)

I'm not sure there is any explaining it away. I don't think we Dems could have dropped the ball any harder.
 
2012-10-26 05:39:16 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In a few weeks, we'll get to see how much of this 'big chunk' is going to fall to the Democrats. Surely this will put them way over the top in the Senate!


The Republican's were in a prime position to win back the Senate, even if Obama was re-elected. Tea Party candidates have spoiled that, which is going to allow the Senate to stay in Democrat control (if only barely).
 
2012-10-26 05:45:57 AM

Overfiend: 0Icky0: Overfiend: \i don't know if Romney will win, but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be

Well that's settled then. I'll bet your gut has more nerve endings than your brain.

Nice. Hope you feel better when you belittle others.


Welcome to Fark, you're fat and ugly too.
 
2012-10-26 05:47:18 AM
If people in general do not agree with your policies, then rebranding and relabeling and spin can only go so far.
Taking away from the poor and giving to the rich is not a sustainable course of action.
 
2012-10-26 05:51:39 AM

rev. dave: If people in general do not agree with your policies, then rebranding and relabeling and spin can only go so far.
Taking away from the poor and giving to the rich is not a sustainable course of action.


If I could make that statement a fact by cutting off my little finger, I just might do it.

You have far too much faith in the electorate and their ability to both analyze an argument and to correctly attribute policy to economic outcome.
 
2012-10-26 06:03:30 AM

ghare: Overfiend: 0Icky0: Overfiend: \i don't know if Romney will win, but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be

Well that's settled then. I'll bet your gut has more nerve endings than your brain.

Nice. Hope you feel better when you belittle others.

Welcome to Fark, you're fat and ugly too.

That's original ghare. I expected more from you.

u r disappoint
 
2012-10-26 06:04:48 AM
 
2012-10-26 06:06:48 AM

Overfiend: ghare: Overfiend: 0Icky0: Overfiend: \i don't know if Romney will win, but I think it is closer than a lot of pundits (on both sides) are claiming it to be

Well that's settled then. I'll bet your gut has more nerve endings than your brain.

Nice. Hope you feel better when you belittle others.

Welcome to Fark, you're fat and ugly too.
That's original ghare. I expected more from you.

u r disappoint



Look, you prompted for a meme-response, I gave it, I'm just a stupid bot, take it up with my programmer.
 
2012-10-26 06:15:51 AM
people forget but the whole tea party thing was born out of the Ron Paul "Revolution", it was very small in numbers initially and basically libertarian (lots of fat bikers)

then it started attracting disaffected republicans, and that's when everything fell apart as republicans starting drowning out everybody else simply because of volume - followed by the likes of glenn beck, and before you know it the tea party had quickly morphed into a tool for the GOP to rally the base

it was partially responsible for the republicans taking some seats in 2010, but its disconnectedness and sociopathic insane leaders like glenn beck and sarah palin quickly killed itself off right after the 2010 election, for all intents and purposes the GOP was happy it was dead (and so was everybody else)

that's sort of how things go nowadays, now you've got the 99% vs. 1% or the 47% or whatever spawned out of the occupy movement, if Obama is re-elected i doubt we'll hear any of that rhetoric again, and the whole process of viral politics will begin again with something else in 2014 and 2016
 
2012-10-26 06:16:05 AM
I think we are due for another cycle of stupidity from the right. They are not quite done yet. While this election very well may be the death of the GOP, there is still enough support of stupid see/hear/speak no evil monkey thinking from the electorate to support the perverted thoughts of the right. Of course, it does not help with the MSM spending its days massaging the numbers back and forth so keep the narrative alive and supporting the suppression of clear thought to bolster viewership and increase their revenue.

The entire system is so totally broken that while one can say the GOP is fast approaching the death rattle, at the same time there are enough back end support to keep the current stupidity alive for another few years. Should there be an actual grand shift away from the GOP in 11 days, I am sure there will be a visible push coming from all corners to keep the political conflict alive until 2014 midterms. Between now and then, new strategies will be devised to keep the GOP alive enough to continue the myopic political view that most of the country holds.

The vast majority of the American electorate (whatever the leaning is) are sheeples. Most are too caught up with their own self-created personal moral agendas to give up their obsession with hatred in some form or another. Like an alcoholic who goes on the wagon, if there is a decided shift away from the GOP with this election, one can certainly expect there to be a relapse. Or more likely, there may be the beginning of a shift, at the same time the conservative element of this country will be sneaking nips from the GOP bottle hidden in the closet for a long time.

Just because Obama may win does not mean this crap is over. Far from it. It is just going to morph into another blob of puss for a while at least.
 
2012-10-26 06:16:23 AM
One can hope. I personally never bet against the stupidity of the American people.
 
2012-10-26 06:17:19 AM

Overfiend: Don't count your chickens before they hatch subby...

Republicans will do very well this election. Romney is going to win.

Fark Moderates will be a group of very sad and/or angry individuals.


C'mon, this is how you're supposed to terrify us with the statisticals:

1. 30% of Hillary voters for Romney
2. 1 in 7 undecided
3. Silent majority

You guys are gonna be soooo pissed off...
 
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