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(Poughkeepsie Journal)   The Republican who put same-sex marriage over the top in New York is being hammered by the liberal SEIU union, who are backing a Conservative candidate because that'll help Democrats; this makes total sense in the batshiat world of NY politics   (poughkeepsiejournal.com) divider line 34
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2012-10-26 04:36:28 AM  
No, it makes perfect sense. Democrats only care about taking and holding power. Bipartisanship is anathema to them.

How does that line from Metallica go?

Justice is lost. Justice is raped. Justice is gone.
Pulling your strings, Justice is done.
Seeking no truth. Winning is all.
 
2012-10-26 05:05:29 AM  
This may come as a surprise, but unions don't really care about progressive social issues. They're fairly conservative and tend to only care about things which affect unions.

If the GOP weren't so consistently, absurdly batshiat anti-labor, they could have started courting and getting a fair chunk of the labor vote starting a decade ago.
 
2012-10-26 05:32:57 AM  
A) I doubt the SEIU gives two shiats about gay marriage
B) Even if the SEIU cares about gay marriage, I'm sure there's plenty of other things they disagree with Republican incumbent on
C) I'm sure the Democrat they are supporting would have voted in favor of gay marriage, in addition to supporting other issues the union cares about

Why would you expect the SEIU to back a Republican solely based on their support of gay marriage? The reason they established a PAC to support the Conservative Party candidate isn't because they support his views, its to split the conservative vote so the Democratic candidate can win.

/Too lazy to look up the SEIU's politics on gay marriage
 
2012-10-26 07:01:08 AM  
Who's the bottom?
 
2012-10-26 07:12:14 AM  
New York should go back to abstaining. Courteously.
 
2012-10-26 07:26:44 AM  
Don't confuse batshiat with chaotically corrupt, Subbo.
 
2012-10-26 07:52:22 AM  

ShawnDoc: A) I doubt the SEIU gives two shiats about gay marriage
B) Even if the SEIU cares about gay marriage, I'm sure there's plenty of other things they disagree with Republican incumbent on
C) I'm sure the Democrat they are supporting would have voted in favor of gay marriage, in addition to supporting other issues the union cares about

Why would you expect the SEIU to back a Republican solely based on their support of gay marriage? The reason they established a PAC to support the Conservative Party candidate isn't because they support his views, its to split the conservative vote so the Democratic candidate can win.

/Too lazy to look up the SEIU's politics on gay marriage


SEIU is a union, a regional union with lower dues than AFL/CIO affiliated unions

They likely do not have a political position on gay marriage, their goal is to best help represent their members.
 
2012-10-26 07:55:00 AM  
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Divide and conquer. The end justifies the means. So on and so on.
 
2012-10-26 08:02:19 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: If the GOP weren't so consistently, absurdly batshiat anti-labor


This is the NY GOP we're talking here. They roll over for unions almost as eagerly as Democrats do. There is no meaningful anti-union or fiscal-conservative presence in New York and hasn't been for more than 50 years, since before Rockefeller, who created the state Medicaid program that's now a $55b/yr monster (and still does a piss-poor job).

NY Republicans would be mainstream Democrats in about 40 other states; NY Democrats are just a hair to the right of Occupy Wall Street, and there's a Working Families Party for people who decorate their homes unironically with the hammer-and-sickle motif.
 
2012-10-26 08:33:59 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: No, it makes perfect sense. Democrats only care about taking and holding power. Bipartisanship is anathema to them.



If you feel this crosses the line then you shouldn't be pointing the finger solely at the Dems, the GOP is doing the same thing as the union in TFA, and the source for the mailers I am getting isn't an outside group.
 
2012-10-26 08:45:11 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: No, it makes perfect sense. Democrats only care about taking and holding power. Bipartisanship is anathema to them.

How does that line from Metallica go?

Justice is lost. Justice is raped. Justice is gone.
Pulling your strings, Justice is done.
Seeking no truth. Winning is all.


You want us to take you seriously, and you quote Metallica? Lawlz.
 
2012-10-26 08:45:39 AM  

ShawnDoc: A) I doubt the SEIU gives two shiats about gay marriage
B) Even if the SEIU cares about gay marriage, I'm sure there's plenty of other things they disagree with Republican incumbent on
C) I'm sure the Democrat they are supporting would have voted in favor of gay marriage, in addition to supporting other issues the union cares about

Why would you expect the SEIU to back a Republican solely based on their support of gay marriage? The reason they established a PAC to support the Conservative Party candidate isn't because they support his views, its to split the conservative vote so the Democratic candidate can win.

/Too lazy to look up the SEIU's politics on gay marriage


I don't know about their stance on gay marriage, but I do know that when my girlfriend (now wife, thanks NY) was a member of the SEIU, I was able to get health insurance through her as a domestic partner.

/voting for the other Republican that made our marriage possible, Grisanti
//voting for him on the Independence Party line, NOT the R
 
2012-10-26 08:49:51 AM  

Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: No, it makes perfect sense. Democrats only care about taking and holding power. Bipartisanship is anathema to them.

How does that line from Metallica go?

Justice is lost. Justice is raped. Justice is gone.
Pulling your strings, Justice is done.
Seeking no truth. Winning is all.

You want us to take you seriously, and you quote Metallica? Lawlz.


I think he's satirical, about half of the time.
 
2012-10-26 08:53:27 AM  

Alphax: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: No, it makes perfect sense. Democrats only care about taking and holding power. Bipartisanship is anathema to them.

How does that line from Metallica go?

Justice is lost. Justice is raped. Justice is gone.
Pulling your strings, Justice is done.
Seeking no truth. Winning is all.

You want us to take you seriously, and you quote Metallica? Lawlz.

I think he's satirical, about half of the time.


Well I certainly hope so.
 
2012-10-26 09:11:32 AM  
Liberal union? What?

/Democrat != liberal;
 
2012-10-26 09:55:04 AM  

Alphax: Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: No, it makes perfect sense. Democrats only care about taking and holding power. Bipartisanship is anathema to them.

How does that line from Metallica go?

Justice is lost. Justice is raped. Justice is gone.
Pulling your strings, Justice is done.
Seeking no truth. Winning is all.

You want us to take you seriously, and you quote Metallica? Lawlz.

I think he's satirical, about half of the time.


On the Politics tab, closer to 99% of the time.

I did get him to break character once.
 
2012-10-26 10:08:30 AM  

Cythraul: AverageAmericanGuy: No, it makes perfect sense. Democrats only care about taking and holding power. Bipartisanship is anathema to them.

How does that line from Metallica go?

Justice is lost. Justice is raped. Justice is gone.
Pulling your strings, Justice is done.
Seeking no truth. Winning is all.

You want us to take you seriously, and you quote Metallica? Lawlz.


pre-black album Metallica is perfectly cromulent

The horsemen are drawing nearer;
on leather steeds they ride.
They've come to take your life.

makes ya think, doesn't it?
 
2012-10-26 10:16:05 AM  
A Republican who can get away with supporting same-sex marriage is a Republican who is vulnerable. He annoyed a lot of conservatives, so they can put him in a tough spot in the primary. If they can take him out then and put a derpwad in the Republican nomination, the Democrat will coast through the general. SEIU isn't designed to care one or the other about gay marriage unless their members push to, so they don't give a shiat if the guy agrees with Democrats on that issue. They want a guy who agrees with the Democrats on union issues.

BTW, I am absolutely not saying that the people should necessarily go along with the union's plan. I'm just saying it makes perfect sense for the union to make this play. People should make their own decisions on who to vote for.
 
2012-10-26 10:17:53 AM  
Conservative != Republican in New York, too.

Basically there are six parties in New York State: Democratic, Republican, Conservative, Liberal, and Working Families, and Independent. Each party gets a "line" on the ballot, and each of the six parties gets its own primary to choose who's going to be on the line. In the big races (and in the national races, without question) the Conservative and Republican parties usually pick the same candidate, and the Democratic, Liberal, and Working Families parties pick the same person. But in the state and local level races, it's open season.

What makes it fun is that any candidate can run in the primary on any line he or she wants to. This can mean one candidate sweeps all six lines and runs unopposed in the general election. It can also mean that two Democrats or two Republicans face off in the primary, but the loser manages to take one of the minor-party lines and the candidates face off again in the general. Most fun of all, it can mean that two Democrats or two Republicans run in the primaries and one wins the Dem line and the other the other the GOP line. Then you get the amusing situation of one Dem or one GOP candidate pretending to represent the other party. It's happened quite a few times recently.
 
2012-10-26 10:48:09 AM  

thurstonxhowell: A Republican who can get away with supporting same-sex marriage is a Republican who is vulnerable. He annoyed a lot of conservatives, so they can put him in a tough spot in the primary. If they can take him out then and put a derpwad in the Republican nomination, the Democrat will coast through the general. SEIU isn't designed to care one or the other about gay marriage unless their members push to, so they don't give a shiat if the guy agrees with Democrats on that issue. They want a guy who agrees with the Democrats on union issues.

BTW, I am absolutely not saying that the people should necessarily go along with the union's plan. I'm just saying it makes perfect sense for the union to make this play. People should make their own decisions on who to vote for.


Saland already won the GOP primary and is on the Independence line...and has Cuomo's cross-party endorsement.

Basically there are six parties in New York State: Democratic, Republican, Conservative, Liberal, and Working Families, and Independent.

Five. There's no Liberal party in NY. It collapsed in a corruption scandal about ten years ago. Yes, it's possible to be too corrupt for New York but you really have to work at it (hello there, Pedro Espada). Working Families took its place. It's basiclally the old Liberal party, only with extra simpering. You don't get in unless you're convinced that a state that spends more than Calfornia and Florida combined on Medicaid is still a horrible and cruel place controlled from afar by Karl Rove's minions.
 
2012-10-26 10:59:23 AM  

Gulper Eel:
Five. There's no Liberal party in NY. It collapsed in a corruption scandal about ten years ago. Yes, it's possible to be too corrupt for New York but you really have to work at it (hello there, Pedro Espada). Working Families took its place. It's basiclally the old Liberal party, only with extra simpering. You don't get in unless you're convinced that a state that spends more than Calfornia and Florida combined on Medicaid is still a horrible and cruel place controlled from afar by Karl Rove's minions.


Six: Green. The Greens actually outpoll Working Families...better ground game, too.

/I WAS a member of the Liberal Party. No really. I'm now a democrat. Muahahaha. I'm in yo' Primary, being all liberal and shiat.
//Voted Hawkins because fark Cuomo and my neighborhood was going to Paladino anyway.
///Shudder.
 
2012-10-26 11:04:23 AM  
Dear Subby,

In your recent rant:

The Republican who put same-sex marriage over the top in New York is being hammered by the liberal SEIU union, who are backing a Conservative candidate because that'll help Democrats; this makes total sense in the batshiat world of NY politics

I have noticed you made a mistake. Unions don't give a crap about issues other than union related issues. How on earth is this news to you?

Also, it seems you are unclear on how backing a Conservative candidate will help Democrats. Let me explain. Let's say you've got two candidates running and the (D) is losing:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%

There are two ways for the (D)'s to turn this around. First, you could do it the honest way and run some ads, knock on some doors and whatnot. An alternative is to insert a third party that will siphon votes from the (R). So you run an (I) on a platform similar to the (R). So now you have:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%
(I) - 0%

But with financial backing and support, you might soon have a (D) victory:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 48%
(I) - 3%

Now granted, it seems today is the first time you've heard of this sort of thing occurring. But just because this is the first time you have become aware of it does not mean this is the first time it has happened. This sort of shiat happens all the farking time.
 
2012-10-26 11:06:03 AM  

thurstonxhowell: A Republican who can get away with supporting same-sex marriage is a Republican who is vulnerable. He annoyed a lot of conservatives, so they can put him in a tough spot in the primary. If they can take him out then and put a derpwad in the Republican nomination, the Democrat will coast through the general. SEIU isn't designed to care one or the other about gay marriage unless their members push to, so they don't give a shiat if the guy agrees with Democrats on that issue. They want a guy who agrees with the Democrats on union issues.

BTW, I am absolutely not saying that the people should necessarily go along with the union's plan. I'm just saying it makes perfect sense for the union to make this play. People should make their own decisions on who to vote for.


all true but you are still faced with responsibility for supporting the whole candidate. It might make sense to vote for candidate X from an economic perspective but you are voting for opposition to gay marriage as well. Voting for Mittens might make sense for me financially to a degree but I am not taking the rest of that ball o' wax.
 
2012-10-26 11:07:54 AM  

lennavan: Dear Subby,

In your recent rant:

The Republican who put same-sex marriage over the top in New York is being hammered by the liberal SEIU union, who are backing a Conservative candidate because that'll help Democrats; this makes total sense in the batshiat world of NY politics

I have noticed you made a mistake. Unions don't give a crap about issues other than union related issues. How on earth is this news to you?

Also, it seems you are unclear on how backing a Conservative candidate will help Democrats. Let me explain. Let's say you've got two candidates running and the (D) is losing:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%

There are two ways for the (D)'s to turn this around. First, you could do it the honest way and run some ads, knock on some doors and whatnot. An alternative is to insert a third party that will siphon votes from the (R). So you run an (I) on a platform similar to the (R). So now you have:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%
(I) - 0%

But with financial backing and support, you might soon have a (D) victory:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 48%
(I) - 3%

Now granted, it seems today is the first time you've heard of this sort of thing occurring. But just because this is the first time you have become aware of it does not mean this is the first time it has happened. This sort of shiat happens all the farking time.


you sound smart and not like an utter douchebag at all
 
2012-10-26 11:08:30 AM  

skullkrusher: lennavan: Dear Subby,

In your recent rant:

The Republican who put same-sex marriage over the top in New York is being hammered by the liberal SEIU union, who are backing a Conservative candidate because that'll help Democrats; this makes total sense in the batshiat world of NY politics

I have noticed you made a mistake. Unions don't give a crap about issues other than union related issues. How on earth is this news to you?

Also, it seems you are unclear on how backing a Conservative candidate will help Democrats. Let me explain. Let's say you've got two candidates running and the (D) is losing:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%

There are two ways for the (D)'s to turn this around. First, you could do it the honest way and run some ads, knock on some doors and whatnot. An alternative is to insert a third party that will siphon votes from the (R). So you run an (I) on a platform similar to the (R). So now you have:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%
(I) - 0%

But with financial backing and support, you might soon have a (D) victory:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 48%
(I) - 3%

Now granted, it seems today is the first time you've heard of this sort of thing occurring. But just because this is the first time you have become aware of it does not mean this is the first time it has happened. This sort of shiat happens all the farking time.

you sound smart and not like an utter douchebag at all


/not subby
 
2012-10-26 11:48:24 AM  

skullkrusher: lennavan: Dear Subby,

In your recent rant:

The Republican who put same-sex marriage over the top in New York is being hammered by the liberal SEIU union, who are backing a Conservative candidate because that'll help Democrats; this makes total sense in the batshiat world of NY politics

I have noticed you made a mistake. Unions don't give a crap about issues other than union related issues. How on earth is this news to you?

Also, it seems you are unclear on how backing a Conservative candidate will help Democrats. Let me explain. Let's say you've got two candidates running and the (D) is losing:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%

There are two ways for the (D)'s to turn this around. First, you could do it the honest way and run some ads, knock on some doors and whatnot. An alternative is to insert a third party that will siphon votes from the (R). So you run an (I) on a platform similar to the (R). So now you have:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%
(I) - 0%

But with financial backing and support, you might soon have a (D) victory:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 48%
(I) - 3%

Now granted, it seems today is the first time you've heard of this sort of thing occurring. But just because this is the first time you have become aware of it does not mean this is the first time it has happened. This sort of shiat happens all the farking time.

you sound smart and not like an utter douchebag at all


Tragedy. Given the stupidity of the headline, I was actually hoping to come across as a douchebag.
 
2012-10-26 11:48:40 AM  

lennavan: Dear Subby,

In your recent rant:

The Republican who put same-sex marriage over the top in New York is being hammered by the liberal SEIU union, who are backing a Conservative candidate because that'll help Democrats; this makes total sense in the batshiat world of NY politics

I have noticed you made a mistake. Unions don't give a crap about issues other than union related issues. How on earth is this news to you?

Also, it seems you are unclear on how backing a Conservative candidate will help Democrats. Let me explain. Let's say you've got two candidates running and the (D) is losing:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%

There are two ways for the (D)'s to turn this around. First, you could do it the honest way and run some ads, knock on some doors and whatnot. An alternative is to insert a third party that will siphon votes from the (R). So you run an (I) on a platform similar to the (R). So now you have:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%
(I) - 0%

But with financial backing and support, you might soon have a (D) victory:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 48%
(I) - 3%

Now granted, it seems today is the first time you've heard of this sort of thing occurring. But just because this is the first time you have become aware of it does not mean this is the first time it has happened. This sort of shiat happens all the farking time.


This is New York.

We don't have 51-49 races in the legislature. Every district is gerrymandered so that incumbents have at least a 2:1 party-registration advantage. The only serious challenges happen in primaries. You really have to fark up to lose in the general election.

So a race that might have gone 67-33 to the Republican last time around will now go 50-33-17 to the Republican or some such thing. And in this race we have the Republican being endorsed by the Democratic governor.
 
2012-10-26 12:06:09 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: Dear Subby,

In your recent rant:

The Republican who put same-sex marriage over the top in New York is being hammered by the liberal SEIU union, who are backing a Conservative candidate because that'll help Democrats; this makes total sense in the batshiat world of NY politics

I have noticed you made a mistake. Unions don't give a crap about issues other than union related issues. How on earth is this news to you?

Also, it seems you are unclear on how backing a Conservative candidate will help Democrats. Let me explain. Let's say you've got two candidates running and the (D) is losing:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%

There are two ways for the (D)'s to turn this around. First, you could do it the honest way and run some ads, knock on some doors and whatnot. An alternative is to insert a third party that will siphon votes from the (R). So you run an (I) on a platform similar to the (R). So now you have:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 51%
(I) - 0%

But with financial backing and support, you might soon have a (D) victory:

(D) - 49%
(R) - 48%
(I) - 3%

Now granted, it seems today is the first time you've heard of this sort of thing occurring. But just because this is the first time you have become aware of it does not mean this is the first time it has happened. This sort of shiat happens all the farking time.

you sound smart and not like an utter douchebag at all

Tragedy. Given the stupidity of the headline, I was actually hoping to come across as a douchebag.


it really wasn't that stupid. Crazy political machinations afoot with a union backing a Conservative candidate. What IS stupid is saying "I have noticed you made a mistake. Unions don't give a crap about issues other than union related issues. How on earth is this news to you?"
when the SEIU website contains this on its front page

"Extremist Republican men like Mitt Romney have said they want to enact policies that would eliminate safe, legal reproductive care for women. We need to make sure people keep this in mind on Election Day. "
 
2012-10-26 12:42:09 PM  
Moderate Republicans: "We're not like those crazy conseratives down south who support a bubble economy, income inequality, low wages, and a shredded safety net. We support a bubble economy, income inequality, low wages, a shredded safety net, and sodomy!"
 
2012-10-26 12:46:02 PM  

skullkrusher: What IS stupid is saying "I have noticed you made a mistake. Unions don't give a crap about issues other than union related issues. How on earth is this news to you?"
when the SEIU website contains this on its front page

"Extremist Republican men like Mitt Romney have said they want to enact policies that would eliminate safe, legal reproductive care for women. We need to make sure people keep this in mind on Election Day. "


Yeah but you know what's stupider? Someone who reads that and thinks the SEIU gives a crap about women's reproductive rights rather than just finding an issue to help their candidate win an election.

Tammy Duckworth here ran an ad calling Joe Walsh a deadbeat dad. Do you think Tammy Duckworth is legitimately concerned about his failure to pay child support?
 
2012-10-26 12:50:41 PM  

lennavan: Yeah but you know what's stupider? Someone who reads that and thinks the SEIU gives a crap about women's reproductive rights rather than just finding an issue to help their candidate win an election.


you have a low opinion of working people

lennavan: Tammy Duckworth here ran an ad calling Joe Walsh a deadbeat dad. Do you think Tammy Duckworth is legitimately concerned about his failure to pay child support?


I'm not even running against him and I think failure to support your kids is a terrible thing
 
2012-10-26 12:53:11 PM  

skullkrusher: lennavan: Yeah but you know what's stupider? Someone who reads that and thinks the SEIU gives a crap about women's reproductive rights rather than just finding an issue to help their candidate win an election.

you have a low opinion of working people


Is this one of those corporations are people moments? The SEIU is not a person.
 
2012-10-26 12:54:45 PM  

lennavan: skullkrusher: lennavan: Yeah but you know what's stupider? Someone who reads that and thinks the SEIU gives a crap about women's reproductive rights rather than just finding an issue to help their candidate win an election.

you have a low opinion of working people

Is this one of those corporations are people moments? The SEIU is not a person.


true. It's an unthinking cyborg running a political algorithm developed in the Perseid cluster prior to the last galactic conflagration. Point ceded.
 
2012-10-26 02:21:22 PM  
The SEIU is not a very good union by any stretch of the imagination. They're Democratic proxies and have engaged in plenty of anti-labor activity to do so.
 
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