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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Feb. 14, 1902: A festive night in the smallpox ward   (startribune.com) divider line 42
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2012-10-26 09:28:42 AM  
Glad the patients were feeling up for a party.

And speaking of parties and feeling up . . .
 
2012-10-26 09:34:45 AM  
Little known fact, before bubble wrap people popped smallpox pustules for fun.

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2012-10-26 09:38:36 AM  
 
2012-10-26 09:40:12 AM  
I am wondering what happened to the building that the ward was in.
 
2012-10-26 09:47:35 AM  
what a crazy lifestyle those people must have lived....
 
2012-10-26 09:48:52 AM  
Geez, when I had The Pox (of the chicken variety) I thought it was super cool to be made a bed on Grandma's couch so I could lie around all day, watch as much tv as I wanted (which was no big deal back before cable because daytime tv was gameshows followed by soaps - why bother) read books*, and eat all the ice cream I wanted.

I didn't know a rockin' pox party was an option. Now I feel cheated.

*No library books, contageous like I was, but they bought me Harriet the Spy, which I freakin' loved and whom I wanted to be.

/still loves Harriet
 
2012-10-26 09:52:00 AM  
Anyone who's an Anti-vaxxer should see things like that child covered in pustules. Actually, they should have it violently shoved into their face. Preferably with a broken nose.

It really drives home an important point: The reason we don't see horrific events like this, or polio, anymore are because of the victories modern medicine has had against vaccine preventable diseases.

If you don't vaccinate, you're a selfish prick unless you have a legitimate medical reason not to.
 
2012-10-26 09:58:53 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

I've got the pox, anthrax, scurvy...
 
2012-10-26 10:03:03 AM  

namegoeshere: Geez, when I had The Pox (of the chicken variety) I thought it was super cool to be made a bed on Grandma's couch so I could lie around all day, watch as much tv as I wanted (which was no big deal back before cable because daytime tv was gameshows followed by soaps - why bother) read books*, and eat all the ice cream I wanted.

I didn't know a rockin' pox party was an option. Now I feel cheated.

*No library books, contageous like I was, but they bought me Harriet the Spy, which I freakin' loved and whom I wanted to be.

/still loves Harriet


I had a chickenpox party. I was four or five. I felt awful, but cheered me up when the house began to fill with my siblings, cousins, and friends from the school and neighborhood. I felt so hot. Someone made a simple ginger-ale punch. I remember this one particularly nutty Aunt asked me if I was thirsty. I said yes and she brought me a cup of punch. I'd had the scantest sip when she snatched it away from me and began pushing it on the other kids saying "Here, have a drink of this. You too, have a sip. Everybody taste Lunas' punch." We still get together every 3 to 5 years and have a good laugh about it.
 
2012-10-26 10:09:20 AM  
The WHO has repeatedly suggested that we eradicate the final two lab samples, but researchers have protested as there MIGHT be something of value that could be gained from studying it. Why? It isn't as if they can walk in, check it out like a library book, and then check it back in on a day -to-day basis. I mean, I gotta make the reference...

WHO: Cast it into the fire! Destroy it!
CDC:......no....

/ I'll go out on this flimsy branch: Weaponized Smallpox?
 
2012-10-26 10:11:02 AM  

Lunaville: namegoeshere: Geez, when I had The Pox (of the chicken variety) I thought it was super cool to be made a bed on Grandma's couch so I could lie around all day, watch as much tv as I wanted (which was no big deal back before cable because daytime tv was gameshows followed by soaps - why bother) read books*, and eat all the ice cream I wanted.

I didn't know a rockin' pox party was an option. Now I feel cheated.

*No library books, contageous like I was, but they bought me Harriet the Spy, which I freakin' loved and whom I wanted to be.

/still loves Harriet

I had a chickenpox party. I was four or five. I felt awful, but cheered me up when the house began to fill with my siblings, cousins, and friends from the school and neighborhood. I felt so hot. Someone made a simple ginger-ale punch. I remember this one particularly nutty Aunt asked me if I was thirsty. I said yes and she brought me a cup of punch. I'd had the scantest sip when she snatched it away from me and began pushing it on the other kids saying "Here, have a drink of this. You too, have a sip. Everybody taste Lunas' punch." We still get together every 3 to 5 years and have a good laugh about it.




My mother tells of a similar party with a less happy ending. Turns out it was measles and not chicken pox.
 
2012-10-26 10:14:17 AM  

trickymoo: The WHO has repeatedly suggested that we eradicate the final two lab samples, but researchers have protested as there MIGHT be something of value that could be gained from studying it. Why? It isn't as if they can walk in, check it out like a library book, and then check it back in on a day -to-day basis. I mean, I gotta make the reference...

WHO: Cast it into the fire! Destroy it!
CDC:......no....

/ I'll go out on this flimsy branch: Weaponized Smallpox?


Research is the big reason why. In addition, these are only the samples we know of. Someone twenty years from now could be digging in some field, and crack open some weaponized shells somewhere and start an outbreak again.

The big issue with smallpox as a biological weapon is that no one has immunity to it anymore unless they work directly with it in a biosafety lab. Those who were immunized have lost their immunity to it.

The issue isn't so much they're worried about the sample at the CDC - it's pretty unlikely that the United States is going to use it for anything but working on an effective anti-viral treatment for it, and if you WERE to try to steal it, you'd have every law enforcement agency and military ops group gunning for your ass - they're worried about the samples stored in Russia. Russia is not known for it's security of very nasty things (This is a country that can't account for a large portion of it's tactical nuclear stockpile, and has had a history of very lax security when it comes to biological weapons and hazards.), and it's quite well known that up until the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia maintained an active biological warfare program.

All it would take would be one ultranationalistic spark for that to start all over again.
 
2012-10-26 10:16:16 AM  

namegoeshere: Geez, when I had The Pox (of the chicken variety) I thought it was super cool to be made a bed on Grandma's couch so I could lie around all day, watch as much tv as I wanted (which was no big deal back before cable because daytime tv was gameshows followed by soaps - why bother) read books*, and eat all the ice cream I wanted.

I didn't know a rockin' pox party was an option. Now I feel cheated.

*No library books, contageous like I was, but they bought me Harriet the Spy, which I freakin' loved and whom I wanted to be.

/still loves Harriet


Other than the fact that my stash of books was Hardy Boys mysteries (why yes, I am old, why do you ask?) my experience was pretty much the same.

You do realize that we are now at risk of contracting shingles?
 
2012-10-26 10:19:36 AM  

Lunaville: namegoeshere: Geez, when I had The Pox (of the chicken variety) I thought it was super cool to be made a bed on Grandma's couch so I could lie around all day, watch as much tv as I wanted (which was no big deal back before cable because daytime tv was gameshows followed by soaps - why bother) read books*, and eat all the ice cream I wanted.

I didn't know a rockin' pox party was an option. Now I feel cheated.

*No library books, contageous like I was, but they bought me Harriet the Spy, which I freakin' loved and whom I wanted to be.

/still loves Harriet

I had a chickenpox party. I was four or five. I felt awful, but cheered me up when the house began to fill with my siblings, cousins, and friends from the school and neighborhood. I felt so hot. Someone made a simple ginger-ale punch. I remember this one particularly nutty Aunt asked me if I was thirsty. I said yes and she brought me a cup of punch. I'd had the scantest sip when she snatched it away from me and began pushing it on the other kids saying "Here, have a drink of this. You too, have a sip. Everybody taste Lunas' punch." We still get together every 3 to 5 years and have a good laugh about it.


People still throw chickenpox and measles parties, which is scary. Both diseases can be fatal in young children, and cause life-long disability. Herpesviral Encephalitis kills kids, or leaves them gorked for the rest of their life. Chickenpox can lead to shingles, permanent scarring. and severe infections.

The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

www.mir.wustl.edu

Measles can lead to your brain basically frying itsself.

It's important to remember that death is not the only, or worst outcome of a childhood disease. Sometimes they get to live and be permanently disabled the rest of their life.

There was a news story out of Nashville last year of a mother who was paying infected kids to lick suckers, and then selling them over the internet and sending them in unmarked packages in the mail, exposing countless people in the process.
 
2012-10-26 10:26:50 AM  
So if you're going to wassail with the diseased, is it insensitive to sing "Roll Out the Barrel" in the Iron Lung ward?
 
2012-10-26 10:28:19 AM  

BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.


Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.
 
2012-10-26 10:30:14 AM  

BronyMedic: trickymoo: The WHO has repeatedly suggested that we eradicate the final two lab samples, but researchers have protested as there MIGHT be something of value that could be gained from studying it. Why? It isn't as if they can walk in, check it out like a library book, and then check it back in on a day -to-day basis. I mean, I gotta make the reference...

WHO: Cast it into the fire! Destroy it!
CDC:......no....

/ I'll go out on this flimsy branch: Weaponized Smallpox?

Research is the big reason why. In addition, these are only the samples we know of. Someone twenty years from now could be digging in some field, and crack open some weaponized shells somewhere and start an outbreak again.

The big issue with smallpox as a biological weapon is that no one has immunity to it anymore unless they work directly with it in a biosafety lab. Those who were immunized have lost their immunity to it.

The issue isn't so much they're worried about the sample at the CDC - it's pretty unlikely that the United States is going to use it for anything but working on an effective anti-viral treatment for it, and if you WERE to try to steal it, you'd have every law enforcement agency and military ops group gunning for your ass - they're worried about the samples stored in Russia. Russia is not known for it's security of very nasty things (This is a country that can't account for a large portion of it's tactical nuclear stockpile, and has had a history of very lax security when it comes to biological weapons and hazards.), and it's quite well known that up until the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia maintained an active biological warfare program.

All it would take would be one ultranationalistic spark for that to start all over again.


Steal it? That's f*cking bananas.

But I suppose that there's really no need to give a leg-up to something as nasty as small pox as it does just fine on it's own. I wonder if there is someone who is actively doing research on these within the last 10-20 years? I'd be surprised.
 
2012-10-26 10:31:23 AM  

dv-ous: BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.


I wish. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about vaccination is because I work with kids. I transported a case of Chickenpox-related Encephalitis from rural Mississippi earlier this year. Parents had not vaccinated their child at all.

Didn't end well for all involved, sadly.

I pass out when I get shots, and I get vaccinated. If a big needle pussy like me can do it, anyone who doesn't have a legitimate medical reason can too.

Thanks to the anti-vax movement and the lies spread by Wakefield et all, that 98% is now closer to 90%, which brings us approaching the level of herd immunity ineffectiveness.
 
2012-10-26 10:34:51 AM  

BronyMedic: trickymoo: The WHO has repeatedly suggested that we eradicate the final two lab samples, but researchers have protested as there MIGHT be something of value that could be gained from studying it. Why? It isn't as if they can walk in, check it out like a library book, and then check it back in on a day -to-day basis. I mean, I gotta make the reference...

WHO: Cast it into the fire! Destroy it!
CDC:......no....

/ I'll go out on this flimsy branch: Weaponized Smallpox?

Research is the big reason why. In addition, these are only the samples we know of. Someone twenty years from now could be digging in some field, and crack open some weaponized shells somewhere and start an outbreak again.

The big issue with smallpox as a biological weapon is that no one has immunity to it anymore unless they work directly with it in a biosafety lab. Those who were immunized have lost their immunity to it.

The issue isn't so much they're worried about the sample at the CDC - it's pretty unlikely that the United States is going to use it for anything but working on an effective anti-viral treatment for it, and if you WERE to try to steal it, you'd have every law enforcement agency and military ops group gunning for your ass - they're worried about the samples stored in Russia. Russia is not known for it's security of very nasty things (This is a country that can't account for a large portion of it's tactical nuclear stockpile, and has had a history of very lax security when it comes to biological weapons and hazards.), and it's quite well known that up until the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia maintained an active biological warfare program.

All it would take would be one ultranationalistic spark for that to start all over again.


Russia: We no destroy sample.
WHO: You should.
Russia:...Da... vell..... we lose sample in old renter movig out party.
WHO:.......................... Sh*t
Russia: We also lose vodak and nucleear veapon. So we both lose important thing.
 
2012-10-26 10:35:41 AM  

trickymoo: I wonder if there is someone who is actively doing research on these within the last 10-20 years? I'd be surprised.


Since 9/11, they have been doing some pretty hardcore research on it through the CDC and USAMRIID and the Center for Biowarfare Defense at Fort Detrick. One of the major problems is that we don't really have a safe and more effective vaccine for it. The vaccine its self has some pretty serious side effects, and runs a risk of infecting other people in a healthcare setting for several days after, and it's rather awkward to launch a mass public vaccination campaign for it if there WAS a sudden, "mysterious" outbreak.

trickymoo: Steal it? That's f*cking bananas.


Not really. If you think about it, it's the perfect bioweapon. It's resilient as hell, highly contagious, and no one has immunity anymore. No one's been vaccinated for it - unless you work at the CDC or are assigned to USAMRIID's BSL-3 labs - for over 20 years.
 
2012-10-26 10:36:50 AM  

BronyMedic: People still throw chickenpox and measles parties, which is scary. Both diseases can be fatal in young children, and cause life-long disability. Herpesviral Encephalitis kills kids, or leaves them gorked for the rest of their life. Chickenpox can lead to shingles, permanent scarring. and severe infections.


I am big on vaccinations. I had my kids vaccinated against everything on the recommended list plus two that weren't yet on the list. I have been trying to persuade our pediatrician to immunize my son against HPV for the last couple of years.

The only vaccine I worry about is the chickenpox vaccine and only because I worry about it wearing out in an untimely manner. When the kids were babies, we were told it would confer lifetime protection and prevent shingles. Then when they were in elementary school, we were told "Oops, the life time protection does not last a life time. They have to have boosters. Oh, and it may not prevent shingles." I held off on the booster for a few years, but not being connected with the crowd that transports children across state lines to participate in polio parties, they didn't catch chickenpox. So, I had them both boosted before they turned 12. If it wears off again while they are in college and I'm not there to march them in to the doctor's office for a booster shot, I will be pissed. Once that concern has been set aside, I'll be fine with the chickenpox vaccine also.
 
2012-10-26 10:38:29 AM  
I can't tell if the author was actually pissed about the level of merriment those infected with a horrifically deadly disease were having, or if it was all tongue-in-cheek.
 
2012-10-26 10:42:05 AM  

BronyMedic: dv-ous: BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.

I wish. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about vaccination is because I work with kids. I transported a case of Chickenpox-related Encephalitis from rural Mississippi earlier this year. Parents had not vaccinated their child at all.

Didn't end well for all involved, sadly.

I pass out when I get shots, and I get vaccinated. If a big needle pussy like me can do it, anyone who doesn't have a legitimate medical reason can too.

Thanks to the anti-vax movement and the lies spread by Wakefield et all, that 98% is now closer to 90%, which brings us approaching the level of herd immunity ineffectiveness.


I know some otherwise great Moms who have not vaccinated their children. They think their children have not incurred serious illness because they have done everything right to build strong immune systems in their children such as feeding them organic foods including tons of vegetables, making sure they exercise and get plenty of sleep. I don't know what to say or how to respond in these situations.
 
2012-10-26 10:46:49 AM  

Lunaville: I know some otherwise great Moms who have not vaccinated their children. They think their children have not incurred serious illness because they have done everything right to build strong immune systems in their children such as feeding them organic foods including tons of vegetables, making sure they exercise and get plenty of sleep. I don't know what to say or how to respond in these situations.


Really, there's no good way to respond. You can show them the facts and websites which point out the issues and danger of not vaccinating (AntiAntiVax is a good website for laypeople), but until their own child is sick from a vaccine preventable disease, they won't really understand if they're that deluded to think that it's not from riding the herd immunity wave.

Vaccination is really a victim of it's own successes. We don't really have mass epidemics and thousands of dead kids each year anymore from VPDs. There's nothing in your face anymore. In addition, with the ease of access of bad - either malicious misinformation or innocent but blatantly wrong - information on the internet in terms of vaccination and health in general, there's a lot of opportunity for someone to be mislead.
 
2012-10-26 10:51:16 AM  

BronyMedic: trickymoo: I wonder if there is someone who is actively doing research on these within the last 10-20 years? I'd be surprised.

Since 9/11, they have been doing some pretty hardcore research on it through the CDC and USAMRIID and the Center for Biowarfare Defense at Fort Detrick. One of the major problems is that we don't really have a safe and more effective vaccine for it. The vaccine its self has some pretty serious side effects, and runs a risk of infecting other people in a healthcare setting for several days after, and it's rather awkward to launch a mass public vaccination campaign for it if there WAS a sudden, "mysterious" outbreak.

trickymoo: Steal it? That's f*cking bananas.

Not really. If you think about it, it's the perfect bioweapon. It's resilient as hell, highly contagious, and no one has immunity anymore. No one's been vaccinated for it - unless you work at the CDC or are assigned to USAMRIID's BSL-3 labs - for over 20 years.


I meant, if you tried to steal it you would have to be over the top f*cking batsh*t insane to begin with. Like you said, eeeerrraaabody is going to try and kill them 6 times before they hit the ground. Plus, they'd probably get infected and die from it as well.

I AM surprised they are working on it. I really thought that would be a 'way on the back-burner' kinda project with other stuff like, I dunno, ebola or (insert animal name) flu or some hantaviruses +10 points to you, CDC.
 
2012-10-26 11:02:27 AM  
Valentines Day...
 
2012-10-26 11:26:32 AM  

BronyMedic: Lunaville: I know some otherwise great Moms who have not vaccinated their children. They think their children have not incurred serious illness because they have done everything right to build strong immune systems in their children such as feeding them organic foods including tons of vegetables, making sure they exercise and get plenty of sleep. I don't know what to say or how to respond in these situations.

Really, there's no good way to respond. You can show them the facts and websites which point out the issues and danger of not vaccinating (AntiAntiVax is a good website for laypeople), but until their own child is sick from a vaccine preventable disease, they won't really understand if they're that deluded to think that it's not from riding the herd immunity wave.

Vaccination is really a victim of it's own successes. We don't really have mass epidemics and thousands of dead kids each year anymore from VPDs. There's nothing in your face anymore. In addition, with the ease of access of bad - either malicious misinformation or innocent but blatantly wrong - information on the internet in terms of vaccination and health in general, there's a lot of opportunity for someone to be mislead.


Just tell them to ask their parents or grandparents about polio in the 50s.
 
2012-10-26 11:53:37 AM  
Then the cake was cut and eaten to the fumes of the wassail bowl, and the music of merry quip and jest.

...and a rocking good time was had by all.
 
2012-10-26 11:53:59 AM  

Lunaville: namegoeshere: Geez, when I had The Pox (of the chicken variety) I thought it was super cool to be made a bed on Grandma's couch so I could lie around all day, watch as much tv as I wanted (which was no big deal back before cable because daytime tv was gameshows followed by soaps - why bother) read books*, and eat all the ice cream I wanted.

I didn't know a rockin' pox party was an option. Now I feel cheated.

*No library books, contageous like I was, but they bought me Harriet the Spy, which I freakin' loved and whom I wanted to be.

/still loves Harriet

I had a chickenpox party. I was four or five. I felt awful, but cheered me up when the house began to fill with my siblings, cousins, and friends from the school and neighborhood. I felt so hot. Someone made a simple ginger-ale punch. I remember this one particularly nutty Aunt asked me if I was thirsty. I said yes and she brought me a cup of punch. I'd had the scantest sip when she snatched it away from me and began pushing it on the other kids saying "Here, have a drink of this. You too, have a sip. Everybody taste Lunas' punch." We still get together every 3 to 5 years and have a good laugh about it.


See, what sucks is being the last to get it, not the first. No party for me : (

Although my oldest brother didn't develop full immunity the first time, so at least there was the schadenfreude of seeing him get it again, after teasing me mercilessly about how bad I was going to itch and how ugly I looked all spotted like I was.
 
2012-10-26 11:54:44 AM  

Mr. Right: namegoeshere: Geez, when I had The Pox (of the chicken variety) I thought it was super cool to be made a bed on Grandma's couch so I could lie around all day, watch as much tv as I wanted (which was no big deal back before cable because daytime tv was gameshows followed by soaps - why bother) read books*, and eat all the ice cream I wanted.

I didn't know a rockin' pox party was an option. Now I feel cheated.

*No library books, contageous like I was, but they bought me Harriet the Spy, which I freakin' loved and whom I wanted to be.

/still loves Harriet

Other than the fact that my stash of books was Hardy Boys mysteries (why yes, I am old, why do you ask?) my experience was pretty much the same.

You do realize that we are now at risk of contracting shingles?


There's a vaccine for that.
 
2012-10-26 12:12:50 PM  

Lunaville: BronyMedic: dv-ous: BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.

I wish. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about vaccination is because I work with kids. I transported a case of Chickenpox-related Encephalitis from rural Mississippi earlier this year. Parents had not vaccinated their child at all.

Didn't end well for all involved, sadly.

I pass out when I get shots, and I get vaccinated. If a big needle pussy like me can do it, anyone who doesn't have a legitimate medical reason can too.

Thanks to the anti-vax movement and the lies spread by Wakefield et all, that 98% is now closer to 90%, which brings us approaching the level of herd immunity ineffectiveness.

I know some otherwise great Moms who have not vaccinated their children. They think their children have not incurred serious illness because they have done everything right to build strong immune systems in their children such as feeding them organic foods including tons of vegetables, making sure they exercise and get plenty of sleep. I don't know what to say or how to respond in these situations.


Tell them the immune system doesn't work that way. They can feed all the vegan cheese* to their kids they want; it won't do fark-all for actually setting up immune responses. At best, nutrition and health can promote a quick, strong response to invaders, but until the immune systems actually encounter foreign antigens the kids are still vulnerable to infection by everything out there, including the nasty, debilitating-to-fatal microorganisms we developed vaccines for in the first place.

Tell them vaccines are like practice for your immune system.

* Yes, this exists, and it's disgusting. Some things just can't be faked well.
 
2012-10-26 12:18:26 PM  

PlatinumDragon: Tell them the immune system doesn't work that way. They can feed all the vegan cheese* to their kids they want; it won't do fark-all for actually setting up immune responses. At best, nutrition and health can promote a quick, strong response to invaders, but until the immune systems actually encounter foreign antigens the kids are still vulnerable to infection by everything out there, including the nasty, debilitating-to-fatal microorganisms we developed vaccines for in the first place.

Tell them vaccines are like practice for your immune system.

* Yes, this exists, and it's disgusting. Some things just can't be faked well.


There's a very quick way to tell if someone doesn't know what they're talking about: They mention something "boosting" the immune system.

Your immune system, unless you have some serious underlying medical condition, is amazing. It walks a fine balance between protecting you, and killing you. "Boosting" the immune system would be a rather bad idea, as an over-active immune system is the reason for diseases like RA, ulcerative colitis and Type I Diabetes, among other things.

/HLA Glycoproteins are a pretty big deal.
 
2012-10-26 12:24:47 PM  

PlatinumDragon: Lunaville: BronyMedic: dv-ous: BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.

I wish. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about vaccination is because I work with kids. I transported a case of Chickenpox-related Encephalitis from rural Mississippi earlier this year. Parents had not vaccinated their child at all.

Didn't end well for all involved, sadly.

I pass out when I get shots, and I get vaccinated. If a big needle pussy like me can do it, anyone who doesn't have a legitimate medical reason can too.

Thanks to the anti-vax movement and the lies spread by Wakefield et all, that 98% is now closer to 90%, which brings us approaching the level of herd immunity ineffectiveness.

I know some otherwise great Moms who have not vaccinated their children. They think their children have not incurred serious illness because they have done everything right to build strong immune systems in their children such as feeding them organic foods including tons of vegetables, making sure they exercise and get plenty of sleep. I don't know what to say or how to respond in these situations.

Tell them the immune system doesn't work that way. They can feed all the vegan cheese* to their kids they want; it won't do fark-all for actually setting up immune responses. At best, nutrition and health can promote a quick, strong response to invaders, but until the immune systems actually encounter foreign antigens the kids are still vulnerable to infection by everything out there, including the nasty, debilitating-to-fatal microorganisms we developed vaccines for in the first place.

Tell them vaccines are like practice for your immune system.

* Yes, this exists, and it's disgusting. Some things just can't be faked well.


Or you can tell them to go here, the Thanatos archive, which houses postmortem photos from the 19 & early 20th C. Link

If photos of kids who died from things like measles, chicken pox, etc don't get it through their skulls, I don't know what will. After all, kids in 1870 ate organic & free-range food, and it didn't save them.
 
2012-10-26 12:34:54 PM  

BronyMedic: PlatinumDragon: Tell them the immune system doesn't work that way. They can feed all the vegan cheese* to their kids they want; it won't do fark-all for actually setting up immune responses. At best, nutrition and health can promote a quick, strong response to invaders, but until the immune systems actually encounter foreign antigens the kids are still vulnerable to infection by everything out there, including the nasty, debilitating-to-fatal microorganisms we developed vaccines for in the first place.

Tell them vaccines are like practice for your immune system.

* Yes, this exists, and it's disgusting. Some things just can't be faked well.

There's a very quick way to tell if someone doesn't know what they're talking about: They mention something "boosting" the immune system.

Your immune system, unless you have some serious underlying medical condition, is amazing. It walks a fine balance between protecting you, and killing you. "Boosting" the immune system would be a rather bad idea, as an over-active immune system is the reason for diseases like RA, ulcerative colitis and Type I Diabetes, among other things.

/HLA Glycoproteins are a pretty big deal.


I spent far too much time reading about antigens, T-cells, and B-cells over the past couple of evenings for the hell of it. Roving protein collections are funny things.

/myself included
//"ugly bags of mostly water"
 
2012-10-26 12:47:34 PM  

trickymoo: The WHO has repeatedly suggested that we eradicate the final two lab samples, but researchers have protested as there MIGHT be something of value that could be gained from studying it. Why? It isn't as if they can walk in, check it out like a library book, and then check it back in on a day -to-day basis. I mean, I gotta make the reference...

WHO: Cast it into the fire! Destroy it!
CDC:......no....

/ I'll go out on this flimsy branch: Weaponized Smallpox?


Smallpox is NOT eradicated from this earth and it is foolish to think otherwise, there was a nasty outbreak of it in the midwest in the 1930's caused when workers were tearing down cabins from the pioneer days. Apparently live viruses survived for more than 75 years in the chunks of rags and blankets that settlers had used to stuff between the logs of their cabin to reduce drafts
 
2012-10-26 12:54:03 PM  

PlatinumDragon: I spent far too much time reading about antigens, T-cells, and B-cells over the past couple of evenings for the hell of it. Roving protein collections are funny things.

/myself included
//"ugly bags of mostly water"


[Captain America]Hey, I understood that reference.[/Captain America]
 
2012-10-26 01:07:04 PM  

Khazar-Khum: PlatinumDragon: Lunaville: BronyMedic: dv-ous: BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.

I wish. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about vaccination is because I work with kids. I transported a case of Chickenpox-related Encephalitis from rural Mississippi earlier this year. Parents had not vaccinated their child at all.

Didn't end well for all involved, sadly.

I pass out when I get shots, and I get vaccinated. If a big needle pussy like me can do it, anyone who doesn't have a legitimate medical reason can too.

Thanks to the anti-vax movement and the lies spread by Wakefield et all, that 98% is now closer to 90%, which brings us approaching the level of herd immunity ineffectiveness.

I know some otherwise great Moms who have not vaccinated their children. They think their children have not incurred serious illness because they have done everything right to build strong immune systems in their children such as feeding them organic foods including tons of vegetables, making sure they exercise and get plenty of sleep. I don't know what to say or how to respond in these situations.

Tell them the immune system doesn't work that way. They can feed all the vegan cheese* to their kids they want; it won't do fark-all for actually setting up immune responses. At best, nutrition and health can promote a quick, strong response to invaders, but until the immune systems actually encounter foreign antigens the kids are still vulnerable to infection by everything out there, including the nasty, debilitating-to-fatal microorganisms we developed vaccines for in the first place.

Tell them vaccines are like practice for your immune system.

* Yes, this exists, and it's disgusting. Some things just can't be faked well.

Or you can tell them to go here, the Thanato ...


Thanks for the link . I lost mine to that site a while ago.

I can't stand Jenny McCarthy and all that she has done to spread these lies. I bet she was fully Vacc'd I wonder if her son was as well... or did she stop?

Vaccines do not ... DO NOT cause AUTISM. IT WAS A FAKED STUDY PEOPLE! It was made up to get A RIVALS MEASLES VACCINE to market!
 
2012-10-26 02:02:53 PM  

BronyMedic: dv-ous: BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.

I wish. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about vaccination is because I work with kids. I transported a case of Chickenpox-related Encephalitis from rural Mississippi earlier this year. Parents had not vaccinated their child at all.

Didn't end well for all involved, sadly.

I pass out when I get shots, and I get vaccinated. If a big needle pussy like me can do it, anyone who doesn't have a legitimate medical reason can too.

Thanks to the anti-vax movement and the lies spread by Wakefield et all, that 98% is now closer to 90%, which brings us approaching the level of herd immunity ineffectiveness.


I pass out as well. I hate needles.

//Flu and TDAP current
 
2012-10-26 02:10:26 PM  

meat0918: BronyMedic: dv-ous: BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.

I wish. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about vaccination is because I work with kids. I transported a case of Chickenpox-related Encephalitis from rural Mississippi earlier this year. Parents had not vaccinated their child at all.

Didn't end well for all involved, sadly.

I pass out when I get shots, and I get vaccinated. If a big needle pussy like me can do it, anyone who doesn't have a legitimate medical reason can too.

Thanks to the anti-vax movement and the lies spread by Wakefield et all, that 98% is now closer to 90%, which brings us approaching the level of herd immunity ineffectiveness.

I pass out as well. I hate needles.

//Flu and TDAP current


One of my kids has been feverish and we haven't gotten our flu shots yet. Usually, I don't bother with flu shots, but there is a child in our faith community who has leukemia. I'm not going to risk passing flu on to that little one. As soon as we're fever free, we're all getting the flu shot.
 
2012-10-26 02:23:07 PM  

Anthracite: Khazar-Khum: PlatinumDragon: Lunaville: BronyMedic: dv-ous: BronyMedic: The reason you don't hear about that much anymore is because we've gotten so damn good at preventing little ones from getting it.

Well that and there's a vaccine, so the 98% of kids with sane parents never get it at all. 

Lucky little bastards.

I wish. One of the reasons I'm so passionate about vaccination is because I work with kids. I transported a case of Chickenpox-related Encephalitis from rural Mississippi earlier this year. Parents had not vaccinated their child at all.

Didn't end well for all involved, sadly.

I pass out when I get shots, and I get vaccinated. If a big needle pussy like me can do it, anyone who doesn't have a legitimate medical reason can too.

Thanks to the anti-vax movement and the lies spread by Wakefield et all, that 98% is now closer to 90%, which brings us approaching the level of herd immunity ineffectiveness.

I know some otherwise great Moms who have not vaccinated their children. They think their children have not incurred serious illness because they have done everything right to build strong immune systems in their children such as feeding them organic foods including tons of vegetables, making sure they exercise and get plenty of sleep. I don't know what to say or how to respond in these situations.

Tell them the immune system doesn't work that way. They can feed all the vegan cheese* to their kids they want; it won't do fark-all for actually setting up immune responses. At best, nutrition and health can promote a quick, strong response to invaders, but until the immune systems actually encounter foreign antigens the kids are still vulnerable to infection by everything out there, including the nasty, debilitating-to-fatal microorganisms we developed vaccines for in the first place.

Tell them vaccines are like practice for your immune system.

* Yes, this exists, and it's disgusting. Some things just can't be faked well.

Or you can tell them to go here ...


30+ moms are as good a culprit as any, but people aren't keen to say, "stay home and make babies" to 50+% of voters, especially if over half of those are over 30.
 
2012-10-26 03:16:43 PM  

meat0918: I pass out as well. I hate needles.


I watch them going in. I don't think anyone actually likes them, but I prefer to be aware of when the potential sting will take place. Frankly, if I could have watched my last two outpatient surgical procedures on a screen in front of my face, I would have.
 
2012-10-27 12:24:15 AM  
Since when did a cake walk require judging? I am confused.
 
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