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2012-10-25 08:24:47 PM
Vinyl's crap anyway. Wax tubes are where it's at!
 
2012-10-25 09:01:16 PM
He's getting his Caucasian revoked?
 
2012-10-25 10:01:31 PM
Jackals can kill a lion, but at the end of the day they're still jackals.
 
2012-10-25 10:03:03 PM
He's getting pulled from every direction on this

blog.fpweb.net
 
2012-10-26 12:11:17 AM
Didn't have enough bobbers?
 
2012-10-26 12:11:56 AM

Barfmaker: Jackals can kill a lion, but at the end of the day they're still jackals.


Two thoughts:

(1) You mean jackals as in "animals that can both hunt and scavenge" as opposed to lion "animal that can throw his weight around to get the kill of something that actually can hunt and/or is totally incapable of doing anything so has to have women spoon-feed him food"?

(2) Jackals can evidently also kill a pug wearing a bobble-hat and calling itself a lion
 
2012-10-26 12:23:30 AM
Okay, now it's just gotten stupid.
 
2012-10-26 12:25:16 AM
I'm still shocked this guy has gone down as hard as he has these past few weeks. I thought this would end up like a Bonds/Clemens situation and he'd just fade off into the sunset with the never-ending denials and the closed eyes of his sponsors.

Makes me wonder what would happen if the other sports entities seriously wanted to clean up their leagues. I figure doping must be more prevalent in the NFL compared to the other leagues just because of the physical punishment these guys have to take on a weekly basis. I've seen 3 or 4 NFL players this year with the Ben Johnson yellow eyes which made me think that all these leagues should adapt the USADA enforcement regulations.
 
2012-10-26 12:32:43 AM
thebostonjam.files.wordpress.com

Fully supports stripping this cheater of his achievements.
 
2012-10-26 12:43:22 AM

octopied: Okay, now it's just gotten stupid.


Next week they're asking for his left nut. Or would that be center nut? How does it hang when you're flying solo?
 
2012-10-26 01:02:52 AM

almandot: [thebostonjam.files.wordpress.com image 504x317]

Fully supports stripping this cheater of his achievements.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-26 01:20:25 AM

Barfmaker: Jackals can kill a lion, but at the end of the day they're still jackals.


This. Still no positive tests - the report relies primarily on testimony - and he's done repeatedly refuting doping allegations despite years of random testing. Everyone's assuming that, because he refuses to continue fighting, that he's obviously guilty. After nearly two decades of this bullshiat, I'd walk away, too.

Innocent until proven guilty. He's yet to be proven guilty of anything, but that doesn't matter. The USADA stripped him of his titles, and the decision was upheld even as the timing & motivation was questioned.
 
2012-10-26 01:26:10 AM
This is abso-farking ridiculous. Do they really think he was doping to run that time in a marathon? He's always been an incredible endurance athlete. Under 2:20, the you could be skeptical, but his time isn't that fantastic. Nor did he have anything to gain running that 'thon. Give it a farking rest people.
 
2012-10-26 01:30:20 AM

FormlessOne: Barfmaker: Jackals can kill a lion, but at the end of the day they're still jackals.

This. Still no positive tests - the report relies primarily on testimony - and he's done repeatedly refuting doping allegations despite years of random testing. Everyone's assuming that, because he refuses to continue fighting, that he's obviously guilty. After nearly two decades of this bullshiat, I'd walk away, too.

Innocent until proven guilty. He's yet to be proven guilty of anything, but that doesn't matter. The USADA stripped him of his titles, and the decision was upheld even as the timing & motivation was questioned.


There was a positive test, but keep peddling the LA PR BS. The evidence is overwhelming and people have been convicted of murder with less.
 
2012-10-26 01:36:14 AM

coolio mack: I'm still shocked this guy has gone down as hard as he has these past few weeks. I thought this would end up like a Bonds/Clemens situation and he'd just fade off into the sunset with the never-ending denials and the closed eyes of his sponsors.



Lance Armstrong perpetrated the greatest fraud in the history of sports. He deserves everything that's been coming his way.

George Carlin had it right years ago . . .Link
 
2012-10-26 02:38:27 AM

almandot: [thebostonjam.files.wordpress.com image 504x317]

Fully supports stripping this cheater of his achievements.


Hey, look! Another guy that we decided to tear down on speculation and innuendo rather than actual proof.

/And no, hat size is not proof.
//Especially when no one will give actual numbers on hat size.
 
2012-10-26 02:40:16 AM

coolio mack: I'm still shocked this guy has gone down as hard as he has these past few weeks. I thought this would end up like a Bonds/Clemens situation and he'd just fade off into the sunset with the never-ending denials and the closed eyes of his sponsors.

Makes me wonder what would happen if the other sports entities seriously wanted to clean up their leagues. I figure doping must be more prevalent in the NFL compared to the other leagues just because of the physical punishment these guys have to take on a weekly basis. I've seen 3 or 4 NFL players this year with the Ben Johnson yellow eyes which made me think that all these leagues should adapt the USADA enforcement regulations.


Except this is an international competition, and not some regional thing like the World Series or a US-only thing like the NFL. This is more cheating at the World Cup or Olympics class than cheating at sports that really only the US (and some of Canada) cares about.
 
2012-10-26 02:53:36 AM

FormlessOne: Barfmaker: Jackals can kill a lion, but at the end of the day they're still jackals.

This. Still no positive tests - the report relies primarily on testimony - and he's done repeatedly refuting doping allegations despite years of random testing. Everyone's assuming that, because he refuses to continue fighting, that he's obviously guilty. After nearly two decades of this bullshiat, I'd walk away, too.

Innocent until proven guilty. He's yet to be proven guilty of anything, but that doesn't matter. The USADA stripped him of his titles, and the decision was upheld even as the timing & motivation was questioned.


It isn't a criminal case. Preponderance of evidence or less is fine, depending on what the independant commitee feels like.

I don't care one way or the other, but come on.
 
2012-10-26 03:34:21 AM

chewielouie: Lance Armstrong perpetrated the greatest fraud in the history of sports


Not really. First off, if it's in cycling it's not the greatest anything in sports. That would be something in soccer, by volume.

But mostly in a sport where 43/46 people who've won in the past decade have been declared to be doping, singling out one guy who also doped and won is silly.

If anything he should get to keep the titles because it turns out he didn't just win the tour de france 7 times, he beat out a bunch of dopers to do so. That's more impressive.
 
2012-10-26 06:32:24 AM

IlGreven: almandot: [thebostonjam.files.wordpress.com image 504x317]

Fully supports stripping this cheater of his achievements.

Hey, look! Another guy that we decided to tear down on speculation and innuendo rather than actual proof.

/And no, hat size is not proof.
//Especially when no one will give actual numbers on hat size.


There's a lot of people that saw him do it. Eye witnesses, not second-hand information. And they say he used masking agents. I'd say you can prove it by other ways than just a positive blood test.
 
2012-10-26 07:03:32 AM

IlGreven:
Hey, look! Another guy that we decided to tear down on speculation and innuendo rather than actual proof overwhelming evidence.


ftfy
 
2012-10-26 08:25:59 AM
I wonder how long it will be before someone gets a bunch of banned athletes and run their own events without drug tests at all.
 
2012-10-26 08:31:33 AM
This morning, the library revoked his card.
 
2012-10-26 08:36:05 AM

FormlessOne: Barfmaker: Jackals can kill a lion, but at the end of the day they're still jackals.

This. Still no positive tests - the report relies primarily on testimony - and he's done repeatedly refuting doping allegations despite years of random testing. Everyone's assuming that, because he refuses to continue fighting, that he's obviously guilty. After nearly two decades of this bullshiat, I'd walk away, too.

Innocent until proven guilty. He's yet to be proven guilty of anything, but that doesn't matter. The USADA stripped him of his titles, and the decision was upheld even as the timing & motivation was questioned.


Except he did test positive. Sorry that you cannot see the truth because you have Lance's nuts in your face.

IlGreven: almandot: [thebostonjam.files.wordpress.com image 504x317]

Fully supports stripping this cheater of his achievements.

Hey, look! Another guy that we decided to tear down on speculation and innuendo rather than actual proof.

/And no, hat size is not proof.
//Especially when no one will give actual numbers on hat size.


Wrong, according to government documents.
 
2012-10-26 08:55:49 AM

davidphogan: coolio mack: I'm still shocked this guy has gone down as hard as he has these past few weeks. I thought this would end up like a Bonds/Clemens situation and he'd just fade off into the sunset with the never-ending denials and the closed eyes of his sponsors.

Makes me wonder what would happen if the other sports entities seriously wanted to clean up their leagues. I figure doping must be more prevalent in the NFL compared to the other leagues just because of the physical punishment these guys have to take on a weekly basis. I've seen 3 or 4 NFL players this year with the Ben Johnson yellow eyes which made me think that all these leagues should adapt the USADA enforcement regulations.

Except this is an international competition, and not some regional thing like the World Series or a US-only thing like the NFL. This is more cheating at the World Cup or Olympics class than cheating at sports that really only the US (and some of Canada) cares about.


Any sport at which Europeans suck is a regional sport, simply because the best players in the world gather to play in a league not located in Europe, which is the center of the universe.

Any sport dominated by Europeans is international, even if only France or the former British Empire cares about it.
 
2012-10-26 09:12:48 AM
First off it's cycling so who farking cares... Ohhh noes a one nutted wonder drugged himself up to win a race that almost no one cares about, ya he beat a bunch of other doped up peddle pushers so there's that I guess, but it's riding a farking bike so who cares. It's like giving the Canadian snowboarder grief for smoking dope (ya cause we didn't see that coming)
Why don't we just create a way for all the dopers to compete with other dopers, no testing no illegal substance rules, best Dr. with the best drugs wins.
 
2012-10-26 09:18:58 AM

doglover: chewielouie: Lance Armstrong perpetrated the greatest fraud in the history of sports

Not really. First off, if it's in cycling it's not the greatest anything in sports. That would be something in soccer, by volume.

But mostly in a sport where 43/46 people who've won in the past decade have been declared to be doping, singling out one guy who also doped and won is silly..


You realize that all those other dopers were punished too? One way or another, all of them got what they deserved already. Except for Lance. He got away with it and kept it under wraps by any means necessary for more than a decade. That is why the payback is so big.
 
2012-10-26 09:34:30 AM
Guess who went from 603 to 602? fark yeah!
 
2012-10-26 09:58:23 AM

coolio mack: I'm still shocked this guy has gone down as hard as he has these past few weeks.


same here. this has been huge. rock center last night did two interviews with women...i found them incredibly believeable. i don't think this is over yet.
 
2012-10-26 09:58:28 AM
They guy is really getting kicked in the ball.
 
kab
2012-10-26 10:13:12 AM
I'm waiting for his high school diploma to be revoked.
 
2012-10-26 10:41:18 AM
Now he can focus on finding the REAL killer of Nicole Brown Simpson
 
2012-10-26 10:45:33 AM
I thought this was a pretty good editorial. Kinda highlights how LA made enemies over the years.
 
2012-10-26 10:53:59 AM

chewielouie: FormlessOne: Barfmaker: Jackals can kill a lion, but at the end of the day they're still jackals.

This. Still no positive tests - the report relies primarily on testimony - and he's done repeatedly refuting doping allegations despite years of random testing. Everyone's assuming that, because he refuses to continue fighting, that he's obviously guilty. After nearly two decades of this bullshiat, I'd walk away, too.

Innocent until proven guilty. He's yet to be proven guilty of anything, but that doesn't matter. The USADA stripped him of his titles, and the decision was upheld even as the timing & motivation was questioned.

There was a positive test, but keep peddling the LA PR BS. The evidence is overwhelming and people have been convicted of murder with less.


And some have been released when forensic evidence proved otherwise.

Science! How does it work?
 
2012-10-26 10:55:04 AM

doglover: chewielouie: Lance Armstrong perpetrated the greatest fraud in the history of sports

Not really. First off, if it's in cycling it's not the greatest anything in sports. That would be something in soccer, by volume.


I think it's pretty close. No one would know about cycling if it weren't for him. So he singlehandedly made the sport famous and also destroyed it.
 
2012-10-26 10:58:38 AM
Relevant. No linky because there's no meed to click through. The punchline is in the url.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/this-last-story-ever-written-about-c y cling,30063/
 
2012-10-26 11:06:23 AM

chewielouie: Lance Armstrong perpetrated the greatest fraud in the history of sports.


You are forgetting what Pete Rose called a haircut....
 
2012-10-26 11:19:07 AM

Tee_Many_Martoonies: First off it's cycling so who farking cares...


You don't care that he defrauded sponsors, insurance companies, investors, etc. to the tune of $125 million+?
You don't care that he founded a charity based on lie, and that part of that charity's function was to prop up his image?
You don't care that he destroyed the careers and reputations of people who tried to tell the truth about him?
You don't care that he embarrassed the U.S.A., waiving the flag, as he rode triumphantly into Paris?

Then you're probably an asshole like him too.
 
2012-10-26 11:19:43 AM

rillettes: I thought this was a pretty good editorial. Kinda highlights how LA made enemies over the years.


WOW, thanks for that. Compelling read.

The proverbial chickens are really coming home to roost for Mr Armstrong. The honorable thing to do would be something exactly like this article. It would be the "band aid" approach...just rip it off and ignore the pain. At least he could have a clear conscience, and many would actually find respect for him again. I see the need to dope as much as anyone, the sport is all about doping. It's the lying, and muckraking to enforce the lies, that needs to end.
 
2012-10-26 11:37:35 AM

mikaloyd: Now he can focus on finding the REAL killer of Nicole Brown Simpson


or play golf!
 
2012-10-26 11:48:53 AM
It's pretty obvious he was cheating, since no one could really win a race riding a farking Trek.
 
2012-10-26 12:05:13 PM

stir22: same here. this has been huge. rock center last night did two interviews with women...i found them incredibly believeable. i don't think this is over yet.


cliff notes of the interviews, please.
 
2012-10-26 12:36:21 PM

Optimus Primate: rillettes: I thought this was a pretty good editorial. Kinda highlights how LA made enemies over the years.

WOW, thanks for that. Compelling read.

The proverbial chickens are really coming home to roost for Mr Armstrong. The honorable thing to do would be something exactly like this article. It would be the "band aid" approach...just rip it off and ignore the pain. At least he could have a clear conscience, and many would actually find respect for him again. I see the need to dope as much as anyone, the sport is all about doping. It's the lying, and muckraking to enforce the lies, that needs to end.


Dude's a high-functioning psychopath. I agree with the editorial hypothetical letter but I think people are making a basic mistake in that I don't think this shiat bother Lance's conscience a bit. Dollars to doughnuts he's slept like a baby every night since the announcement. I mean he'll miss the money and the prestige but as far as I can tell the dude has no capacity for guilt - none whatsoever.
 
2012-10-26 02:33:28 PM

machoprogrammer: stir22: same here. this has been huge. rock center last night did two interviews with women...i found them incredibly believeable. i don't think this is over yet.

cliff notes of the interviews, please.


here it is

Link
 
2012-10-26 02:50:30 PM

chewielouie: Tee_Many_Martoonies: First off it's cycling so who farking cares...

You don't care that he defrauded sponsors, insurance companies, investors, etc. to the tune of $125 million+?\
Nope, insurance companies find multitudes of ways to screw the average person so good on them to lose a few bucks.

You don't care that he founded a charity based on lie, and that part of that charity's function was to prop up his image?
Admittedly this one is a dick move.

You don't care that he destroyed the careers and reputations of people who tried to tell the truth about him?
Nope, how many peoples careers were destroyed by false allegations over the years? Instead of kissing his ass maybe they should have actually investigated the allegations.

You don't care that he embarrassed the U.S.A., waiving the flag, as he rode triumphantly into Paris?
NO actually this is an added bonus. If a country is embarrassed by one person who happens to win a sport then you find out he cheated well maybe you need to concentrate on some more important things that are going on in your country. Was I embarrassed by Ben Johnson when he was caught cheating? NOPE I say let him hang out to dry, ban him from the sport and move on. There are far bigger things going on in the U.S. that could use the millions of dollars that are put in to sports so you can feel good about yourself.

Then you're probably an asshole like him too.

Ohh and Probably? Naw I can assure you that I am an asshole although nothing like him.
 
2012-10-26 02:58:25 PM

JohnBigBootay: Optimus Primate: rillettes: I thought this was a pretty good editorial. Kinda highlights how LA made enemies over the years.

WOW, thanks for that. Compelling read.

The proverbial chickens are really coming home to roost for Mr Armstrong. The honorable thing to do would be something exactly like this article. It would be the "band aid" approach...just rip it off and ignore the pain. At least he could have a clear conscience, and many would actually find respect for him again. I see the need to dope as much as anyone, the sport is all about doping. It's the lying, and muckraking to enforce the lies, that needs to end.

Dude's a high-functioning psychopath. I agree with the editorial hypothetical letter but I think people are making a basic mistake in that I don't think this shiat bother Lance's conscience a bit. Dollars to doughnuts he's slept like a baby every night since the announcement. I mean he'll miss the money and the prestige but as far as I can tell the dude has no capacity for guilt - none whatsoever.


Hence why it's called the apology that LA will never make.
Thought the article was well written, but where it struck a nerve was the Zabriskie crying part. I don't know if that's in the official transcripts, but if this really happened, Armstrong needs to be cockpunched. Repeatedly.
 
2012-10-26 03:27:10 PM

rillettes: Hence why it's called the apology that LA will never make.
Thought the article was well written, but where it struck a nerve was the Zabriskie crying part. I don't know if that's in the official transcripts, but if this really happened, Armstrong needs to be cockpunched. Repeatedly.



Agreed. Superlative athlete. Supremely driven. And I think the foundation has done good work and I hope it continues. But he needs a cockpunch for dozens of reasons. Like spitting on dudes in the peleton, suing people for telling the truth, and threatening and defaming women who dared challenge his authority over them. Whatever else he is he's a petty vindictive bully who is finally reaping what he has sown. I won't shed a tear if the backlash goes overboard. Then again, neither will he.
 
2012-10-26 03:41:34 PM

machoprogrammer: Sorry that you cannot see the truth because you have Lance's nuts nut in your face.


FTFY
 
2012-10-26 05:12:28 PM

FormlessOne: Barfmaker: Jackals can kill a lion, but at the end of the day they're still jackals.

This. Still no positive tests - the report relies primarily on testimony - and he's done repeatedly refuting doping allegations despite years of random testing. Everyone's assuming that, because he refuses to continue fighting, that he's obviously guilty. After nearly two decades of this bullshiat, I'd walk away, too.

Innocent until proven guilty. He's yet to be proven guilty of anything, but that doesn't matter. The USADA stripped him of his titles, and the decision was upheld even as the timing & motivation was questioned.


This, this, a million times this.
 
2012-10-26 05:32:23 PM

steve_wmn: doglover: chewielouie: Lance Armstrong perpetrated the greatest fraud in the history of sports

Not really. First off, if it's in cycling it's not the greatest anything in sports. That would be something in soccer, by volume.

But mostly in a sport where 43/46 people who've won in the past decade have been declared to be doping, singling out one guy who also doped and won is silly..

You realize that all those other dopers were punished too? One way or another, all of them got what they deserved already. Except for Lance. He got away with it and kept it under wraps by any means necessary for more than a decade. That is why the payback is so big.


6 months of ineligibility is not punishment. It's a slap on the wrist.
 
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